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Rotoworld:

A source tells 97.5 Radio in Philadelphia that free agent DeSean Jackson signing with the Redskins is a "done deal."
This report was quickly brushed off by a fistful of national media, as most say a pact is close but not done yet. All we know for sure is Jackson had a good meeting with the Redskins on Monday, spent the evening at a club with members of the team, and will meet again Tuesday. All signs point toward a signing happening then, meaning the Eagles would have to face Jackson twice this season.

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DeSean Jackson's release from Eagles clouded by questionsBy Judy Battista

NFL Media reporter

The public courting of DeSean Jackson began in Washington, D.C. on Monday afternoon, not far down the road -- though a bit further in the NFC East standings -- from Philadelphia, where Jackson spent the first six seasons of his NFL career. But that distance has been clotted by clouds as thick as an I-95 traffic jam ever since the Eagles sent one of the NFL's most dynamic players packing with a terse statement and no further explanation after reportedly spending weeks hoping to find a trade partner.

The Redskins and other current potential suitors have surely done their background checks on Jackson, as they did before he was drafted in 2008 and as they were surely doing last week when Jackson was still reportedly on the trading block. Concerns about Jackson's work ethic and commitment are nothing new -- he has always been a potentially high-risk/potentially high-reward player, and his pre-contract-extension mopefest in 2011 only raised more alarms about what mattered to him.

It didn't stop the former Eagles braintrust -- read: Andy Reid -- from giving Jackson a lucrative contract extension in 2012. And it didn't stop Jackson from having a career season last year, his first in a Chip Kelly offense that seemed perfectly suited to the talents of a receiver whose speed routinely blows the tops off defenses. The Redskins might not have enough money to ultimately lure Jackson, assuming others are seriously involved. But the prospect of seeing Jackson on the same field as a healthy Robert Griffin III -- who would be able to extend plays while Jackson flies past defenders -- surely gives shivers to the NFC executives who joked with New York Jets owner Woody Johnson last week to please get Jackson, in whom Johnson had expressed interest before the player was released, out of the conference.

What is most chilling about Jackson's saga, though, is the undercurrent about what prompted the Eagles to part ways with him in the first place. Maybe the story from NJ.com about Jackson's apparent ties to reputed gang members -- which preceded news of his release by little more than a half-hour -- will turn out to be more than the six-degrees-of-separation connecting-of-the-dots-with-some-squiggly-lines that it seems to be at the moment. Maybe we'll find out that the Eagles, in the post-Aaron Hernandez NFL, were afraid that more was to come. But for now, with the Eagles again declining to comment on Monday, it is difficult not to view this at least in part as the team using a potential bombshell story as very convenient cover for the decision -- questionable and unpopular at best, ill-considered and self-destructive at worst -- to let Jackson walk. There is no criminal activity from Jackson -- who strongly denied being in a gang via a statement issued Friday -- that we know of. Instead, there were reports of the more rudimentary aggravations that bedevil coaches: tardiness to meetings, lax practice habits, big-picture worries about what kind of influence a high-maintenance star might have on younger players and locker-room culture.

"Culture" is a buzzword in locker rooms and clubhouses across professional sports, and new coaches and managers work assiduously to establish the kind of culture they want. That effort takes all kinds of forms, some serious, some silly. One of the first things Herm Edwards did when he became the Kansas City Chiefs' head coach was to have the red arrowhead on the side of the team's practice center repainted, to rid it of the raggedy weather-beaten look that resulted from barely being touched up for 15 years. It was a signal that the Chiefs would be paying attention to details. Scott Linehan had the pictures of star players updated when he took over the St. Louis Rams, a message that nothing in the team's past was going to help them now.

Kelly, perhaps frustrated by Jackson's demeanor and cushioned by the knowledge that an extravagantly talented class of receivers awaits in the draft, decided something more drastic was necessary. That is the prerogative of the coach, particularly when said coach won the division in his rookie season and is clearly in a position to wield a considerable amount of clout. It might seem odd to think that a team that was willing to invest the time and effort in helping Michael Vick reintegrate into the NFL could not figure out a way to get Jackson to toe the locker-room line that Kelly wanted. Maybe Kelly decided it simply wasn't worth the trouble, especially with so many younger, cheaper and presumably more malleable receivers about to enter the pipeline. But if that is all this is about -- DeSean as expensive diva -- then the Eagles owe it to him to say that, because the lingering impression created by the timing of Jackson's release is that the team was deeply concerned about something a lot more serious than pouting. It is damaging to Jackson's reputation, of course, and -- more immediately -- potentially to his wallet.

When trying to divine why the Eagles would let a premier player in the prime of his career go, I think not about the rumors of gangs and Jackson that were out there even before that story broke last Friday, but of Kelly's session with reporters last week at the NFL Annual Meeting. There, Kelly was asked how the offense could be better without Jackson. The answer he gave was illuminating, a window into the mindset of a coach who thinks the system can make players great at least as often as the other way around.

"I don't think our offense has ever been predicated on one player," Kelly said. "We used three quarterbacks last year. We used multiple running backs. Our tight ends are integral to what we do. I think we have an outstanding offensive line. It's never been about just one guy. ... You want great players at every position, and I think that's what we're always striving for, in terms of where we can put people into position. It's never been predicated on just one guy, because if it is, if he's out for a water break or hurt for an extended period of time, then you're going to be in trouble."

Maybe Kelly will be proven right, but we won't know that until September at the earliest. For now, the answer to that question from Orlando is much more straightforward. The Eagles are not better without Jackson, and the playmaking ability of whichever team signs him will be enhanced.

That, though, is one of the only things certain in a story shrouded in mixed messages and uncertain truths. The other is this: Whoever signs Jackson had better be sure about what they are getting -- as sure as the Eagles had better be that they were right about the player they know better than anybody.

Follow Judy Battista on Twitter @judybattista.
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Rotoworld:

Citing two people with knowledge of the situation, the Washington Post reports the Redskins have "made progress toward a deal" with free agent DeSean Jackson, but no agreement is finalized.
Jackson looked like he had a great time clubbing with DeAngelo Hall and rapper Wale late Monday, per his Instagram account, but D-Jax is very interested in money. And he's probably going to the team willing to pay him the most. In other words, Jackson may have to take one more free agent visit to max every penny he can out of Skins owner Dan Snyder. One source with knowledge of negotiations did tell the Post early Tuesday that the sides are "getting close."

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McKenzie leery about adding DeSean Jackson

Posted by Mike Florio on April 1, 2014, 10:34 AM EDT

The Raiders are in “win now” mode. They’ve got the cap space. They need to attract fans to the sewage-challenged Black Hole. So why aren’t they at the front of the line for receiver DeSean Jackson?

As one league source explained it to PFT, G.M. Reggie McKenzie is leery about Jackson. Not because of the trumped-up gang ties (the more we read the supposedly groundbreaking NJ.com article about suspected gang ties, the less hard news we actually see in it), but because of Jackson’s reputation as a me-first player who can’t be controlled.

While the Raiders have been buying up plenty of veteran free agents, most are regarded as good teammates who’ll provide positive influences to the locker room. That’s not the reputation Jackson enjoys.

While Raiders quarterback Matt Schaub has made a public pitch for Jackson, one of the concerns is that Schaub has never had to control a potentially difficult receiver. Andre Johnson, Schaub’s long-time No. 1 target in Houston, is the anti-diva — a team-first guy who has never created many issues in Houston.

Of course, it may not ultimately be McKenzie’s call. If owner Mark Davis, who has been prodded by defensive back Charles Woodson to do what his father would have done with a talent like Jackson available for no compensation, decides he wants DeSean, it won’t matter if McKenzie is leery.
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Faust said:
McKenzie leery about adding DeSean Jackson

Posted by Mike Florio on April 1, 2014, 10:34 AM EDT

The Raiders are in “win now” mode. They’ve got the cap space. They need to attract fans to the sewage-challenged Black Hole. So why aren’t they at the front of the line for receiver DeSean Jackson?

As one league source explained it to PFT, G.M. Reggie McKenzie is leery about Jackson. Not because of the trumped-up gang ties (the more we read the supposedly groundbreaking NJ.com article about suspected gang ties, the less hard news we actually see in it), but because of Jackson’s reputation as a me-first player who can’t be controlled.

While the Raiders have been buying up plenty of veteran free agents, most are regarded as good teammates who’ll provide positive influences to the locker room. That’s not the reputation Jackson enjoys.

While Raiders quarterback Matt Schaub has made a public pitch for Jackson, one of the concerns is that Schaub has never had to control a potentially difficult receiver. Andre Johnson, Schaub’s long-time No. 1 target in Houston, is the anti-diva — a team-first guy who has never created many issues in Houston.

Of course, it may not ultimately be McKenzie’s call. If owner Mark Davis, who has been prodded by defensive back Charles Woodson to do what his father would have done with a talent like Jackson available for no compensation, decides he wants DeSean, it won’t matter if McKenzie is leery.
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It's fair to wonder whether that league source was a Redskin source. Both sides leak things during negotiations. It's likely that both the Skins and Jackson's agent have done so in the last 24 hours.

 
fatness said:
Faust said:
McKenzie leery about adding DeSean Jackson

Posted by Mike Florio on April 1, 2014, 10:34 AM EDT

The Raiders are in “win now” mode. They’ve got the cap space. They need to attract fans to the sewage-challenged Black Hole. So why aren’t they at the front of the line for receiver DeSean Jackson?

As one league source explained it to PFT, G.M. Reggie McKenzie is leery about Jackson. Not because of the trumped-up gang ties (the more we read the supposedly groundbreaking NJ.com article about suspected gang ties, the less hard news we actually see in it), but because of Jackson’s reputation as a me-first player who can’t be controlled.

While the Raiders have been buying up plenty of veteran free agents, most are regarded as good teammates who’ll provide positive influences to the locker room. That’s not the reputation Jackson enjoys.

While Raiders quarterback Matt Schaub has made a public pitch for Jackson, one of the concerns is that Schaub has never had to control a potentially difficult receiver. Andre Johnson, Schaub’s long-time No. 1 target in Houston, is the anti-diva — a team-first guy who has never created many issues in Houston.

Of course, it may not ultimately be McKenzie’s call. If owner Mark Davis, who has been prodded by defensive back Charles Woodson to do what his father would have done with a talent like Jackson available for no compensation, decides he wants DeSean, it won’t matter if McKenzie is leery.
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It's fair to wonder whether that league source was a Redskin source. Both sides leak things during negotiations. It's likely that both the Skins and Jackson's agent have done so in the last 24 hours.
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My instinct was that may have been a Raiders source.

If the Raiders aren't going to sign him, and they aren't his first choice, the Raiders could also be making it clear they aren't going to be leverage. Might save the Skins some money.

DeSean reaching out to Oakland, to express interest, then visiting with Washington straight away, kind of smells like DeSean might prefer to have Oakland around just to make sure his preferred team doesn't try and lowball him.

Just a thought.

 
Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 17m

Per sources: DeSean Jackson has 2 teams making offers. I'm told Cleveland Browns are 1 and they are going hard with offer
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Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 17 mins

As you all know...former Redskins Offensive Coordinator Kyle Shanahan is now the OC in Cleveland. Redskins vs. Browns vs. another team
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Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 15 mins

Redskins source: "If DeSean Jackson gets on the plane...its going to be hard to sign him. He's at the Park now. They can't let him leave"
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Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 13 mins

Per source: San Francisco has now thrown their hat in the ring for DeSean Jackson
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"Sources" in this case sounds like Jackson's agent putting things out there, which has been done by both sides in the last 48 hours. It's money haggling, looking for leverage.

 
fatness said:
Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 17m

Per sources: DeSean Jackson has 2 teams making offers. I'm told Cleveland Browns are 1 and they are going hard with offer
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Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 17 mins

As you all know...former Redskins Offensive Coordinator Kyle Shanahan is now the OC in Cleveland. Redskins vs. Browns vs. another team
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Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 15 mins

Redskins source: "If DeSean Jackson gets on the plane...its going to be hard to sign him. He's at the Park now. They can't let him leave"
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Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 13 mins

Per source: San Francisco has now thrown their hat in the ring for DeSean Jackson
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"Sources" in this case sounds like Jackson's agent putting things out there, which has been done by both sides in the last 48 hours. It's money haggling, looking for leverage.
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Ruh roh.

 
fatness said:
Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 17m

Per sources: DeSean Jackson has 2 teams making offers. I'm told Cleveland Browns are 1 and they are going hard with offer
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Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 17 mins

As you all know...former Redskins Offensive Coordinator Kyle Shanahan is now the OC in Cleveland. Redskins vs. Browns vs. another team
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Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 15 mins

Redskins source: "If DeSean Jackson gets on the plane...its going to be hard to sign him. He's at the Park now. They can't let him leave"
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Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 13 mins

Per source: San Francisco has now thrown their hat in the ring for DeSean Jackson
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"Sources" in this case sounds like Jackson's agent putting things out there, which has been done by both sides in the last 48 hours. It's money haggling, looking for leverage.
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It's Washington versus Washington! You would think they'd learn by now...

 
fatness said:
Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 17m

Per sources: DeSean Jackson has 2 teams making offers. I'm told Cleveland Browns are 1 and they are going hard with offer
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Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 17 mins

As you all know...former Redskins Offensive Coordinator Kyle Shanahan is now the OC in Cleveland. Redskins vs. Browns vs. another team
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Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 15 mins

Redskins source: "If DeSean Jackson gets on the plane...its going to be hard to sign him. He's at the Park now. They can't let him leave"
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Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 13 mins

Per source: San Francisco has now thrown their hat in the ring for DeSean Jackson
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"Sources" in this case sounds like Jackson's agent putting things out there, which has been done by both sides in the last 48 hours. It's money haggling, looking for leverage.
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6yrs/65m/30m guaranteed

 
dehaven123 said:
fatness said:
Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 17m

Per sources: DeSean Jackson has 2 teams making offers. I'm told Cleveland Browns are 1 and they are going hard with offer
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Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 17 mins

As you all know...former Redskins Offensive Coordinator Kyle Shanahan is now the OC in Cleveland. Redskins vs. Browns vs. another team
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Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 15 mins

Redskins source: "If DeSean Jackson gets on the plane...its going to be hard to sign him. He's at the Park now. They can't let him leave"
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Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 13 mins

Per source: San Francisco has now thrown their hat in the ring for DeSean Jackson
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"Sources" in this case sounds like Jackson's agent putting things out there, which has been done by both sides in the last 48 hours. It's money haggling, looking for leverage.
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6yrs/65m/30m guaranteed
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Hope that's a joke.

 
dehaven123 said:
fatness said:
Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 17m

Per sources: DeSean Jackson has 2 teams making offers. I'm told Cleveland Browns are 1 and they are going hard with offer
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Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 17 mins

As you all know...former Redskins Offensive Coordinator Kyle Shanahan is now the OC in Cleveland. Redskins vs. Browns vs. another team
Click to expand...
Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 15 mins

Redskins source: "If DeSean Jackson gets on the plane...its going to be hard to sign him. He's at the Park now. They can't let him leave"
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Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 13 mins

Per source: San Francisco has now thrown their hat in the ring for DeSean Jackson
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"Sources" in this case sounds like Jackson's agent putting things out there, which has been done by both sides in the last 48 hours. It's money haggling, looking for leverage.
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6yrs/65m/30m guaranteed
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No chance--too long. I think something like 4yrs/42m/18m guaranteed with incentives and behavior out clauses.

I could live with that.

 
massraider said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Well Washington fans, we have good news and we have bad news.

Good news is Oakland is backing away from Jackson so you should have the bidding all to yourselves.

Bad news is Oakland is backing away from Jackson.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/01/mckenzie-leery-about-adding-desean-jackson/
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And different sources are saying 49ers and CLE are involved.

Eh, we'll see.

This is why Twitter is awesome, by the way.
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Yes, agree, actually I do believe PFT is notorious for getting their rumors from agents.

 
Rotoworld:

NBC Washington D.C. reports the Browns and 49ers are interested in and have reached out to free agent DeSean Jackson.
Per Dianna Marie Russini, the Browns are "going hard" with an offer to Jackson while the 49ers contacted Jackson during his visit with the Redskins and have "thrown their hat in the ring" for the 27-year-old. If the Redskins want to land Jackson, it appears they can't let him leave the facility on Tuesday. Jackson and Josh Gordon in Cleveland would almost be unfair. Either player could take the top off the defense at any time and would provide whoever the quarterback is with two legitimate No. 1 receivers. In San Fran, Jackson's numbers would likely suffer.

Related: Browns, Redskins, 49ers

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Chris Russell is on radio now disputing the report that Cleveland has made an offer to Jackson, based on him talking to a Cleveland source.

 
If I was the Raiders, I might do:

4 years, 50 mill.

5 mill roster bonus (2014 cap)

1 mill salary (2014 cap)

5 mill signing bonus. (1.25 on 2014 cap).

And I'd have a 5-8 million roster bonus beginning of league year next year. They can tell DeSean, 'You'll get 15-20 mill in a calender year.' And the cap exposure long term is negligible.

Skins can give as much money, but will have to use a bigger signing bonus, to spread out the hit.

 
To sum up my version of today's events so far

Redskins have floated the story that Oakland isn't interested.

Jackson's agent has floated the story that SF and Cleveland are interested.

 
What doesn't ring true for me is that Jackson was owed $30 million on a contract with 3 years left on it and nobody would give Philly a 7th rounder in exchange for it when Philly tried and failed to find a trade partner. So now they are going to offer him Mike Wallace money? Any number of teams Jackson's agent is name dropping would have had him at cut rate for a cheap pick. I'm buying he gets Eric Decker money and no more.

 
GoBirds said:
dehaven123 said:
fatness said:
Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 17m

Per sources: DeSean Jackson has 2 teams making offers. I'm told Cleveland Browns are 1 and they are going hard with offer
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Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 17 mins

As you all know...former Redskins Offensive Coordinator Kyle Shanahan is now the OC in Cleveland. Redskins vs. Browns vs. another team
Click to expand...
Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 15 mins

Redskins source: "If DeSean Jackson gets on the plane...its going to be hard to sign him. He's at the Park now. They can't let him leave"
Click to expand...
Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 13 mins

Per source: San Francisco has now thrown their hat in the ring for DeSean Jackson
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"Sources" in this case sounds like Jackson's agent putting things out there, which has been done by both sides in the last 48 hours. It's money haggling, looking for leverage.
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6yrs/65m/30m guaranteed
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Hope that's a joke.
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:moneybag:

not really joking. probably would end up being a 4yr deal, last 2yrs loaded. i do think that's the ballpark of guaranteed $$ it will take though.

edit: of course he'll want to redo the deal in yr3.

 
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Raiderfan32904 said:
What doesn't ring true for me is that Jackson was owed $30 million on a contract with 3 years left on it and nobody would give Philly a 7th rounder in exchange for it when Philly tried and failed to find a trade partner. So now they are going to offer him Mike Wallace money? Any number of teams Jackson's agent is name dropping would have had him at cut rate for a cheap pick. I'm buying he gets Eric Decker money and no more.
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You could be right. He comes with baggage that Decker doesn't have. He's a better player though, no doubt.
 
massraider said:
If I was the Raiders, I might do:

4 years, 50 mill.

5 mill roster bonus (2014 cap)

1 mill salary (2014 cap)

5 mill signing bonus. (1.25 on 2014 cap).

And I'd have a 5-8 million roster bonus beginning of league year next year. They can tell DeSean, 'You'll get 15-20 mill in a calender year.' And the cap exposure long term is negligible.

Skins can give as much money, but will have to use a bigger signing bonus, to spread out the hit.
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i think it'll take more signing bonus up front

 
jurb26 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
What doesn't ring true for me is that Jackson was owed $30 million on a contract with 3 years left on it and nobody would give Philly a 7th rounder in exchange for it when Philly tried and failed to find a trade partner. So now they are going to offer him Mike Wallace money? Any number of teams Jackson's agent is name dropping would have had him at cut rate for a cheap pick. I'm buying he gets Eric Decker money and no more.
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You could be right. He comes with baggage that Decker doesn't have. He's a better player though, no doubt.
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I don't think its "no doubt" that Desean is better than Decker.

 
Terpman22 said:
jurb26 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
What doesn't ring true for me is that Jackson was owed $30 million on a contract with 3 years left on it and nobody would give Philly a 7th rounder in exchange for it when Philly tried and failed to find a trade partner. So now they are going to offer him Mike Wallace money? Any number of teams Jackson's agent is name dropping would have had him at cut rate for a cheap pick. I'm buying he gets Eric Decker money and no more.
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You could be right. He comes with baggage that Decker doesn't have. He's a better player though, no doubt.
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I don't think its "no doubt" that Desean is better than Decker.
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Boy, couple more days as a free agent, and we'll be wondering how DeSean managed to hang on to his starting job last year.

 
jurb26 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
What doesn't ring true for me is that Jackson was owed $30 million on a contract with 3 years left on it and nobody would give Philly a 7th rounder in exchange for it when Philly tried and failed to find a trade partner. So now they are going to offer him Mike Wallace money? Any number of teams Jackson's agent is name dropping would have had him at cut rate for a cheap pick. I'm buying he gets Eric Decker money and no more.
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You could be right. He comes with baggage that Decker doesn't have. He's a better player though, no doubt.
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but his point, which is a salient one, is that a team could have had him at $10MM per season by giving up a late pick, and no one ponied up - and now people are throwing out numbers that exceed $10MM per season.

 
Terpman22 said:
jurb26 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
What doesn't ring true for me is that Jackson was owed $30 million on a contract with 3 years left on it and nobody would give Philly a 7th rounder in exchange for it when Philly tried and failed to find a trade partner. So now they are going to offer him Mike Wallace money? Any number of teams Jackson's agent is name dropping would have had him at cut rate for a cheap pick. I'm buying he gets Eric Decker money and no more.
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You could be right. He comes with baggage that Decker doesn't have. He's a better player though, no doubt.
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I don't think its "no doubt" that Desean is better than Decker.
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Yes, but he's better than Decker. But look, every team had a conversation with Jeff Lurie about offering a cheap pick in exchange for his current salary. Every team balked at his $10 million a year salary. Every team thinks he's worth less than that. Work from Decker's money and meet someplace in the middle. Say $8.5M to $9M. Anyone who would now pay $10 mill or more has to get their head examined why they didn't do so after the fact they turned down sending a draft pick for his Eagles salary.

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
Terpman22 said:
jurb26 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
What doesn't ring true for me is that Jackson was owed $30 million on a contract with 3 years left on it and nobody would give Philly a 7th rounder in exchange for it when Philly tried and failed to find a trade partner. So now they are going to offer him Mike Wallace money? Any number of teams Jackson's agent is name dropping would have had him at cut rate for a cheap pick. I'm buying he gets Eric Decker money and no more.
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You could be right. He comes with baggage that Decker doesn't have. He's a better player though, no doubt.
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I don't think its "no doubt" that Desean is better than Decker.
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Yes, but he's better than Decker. But look, every team had a conversation with Jeff Lurie about offering a cheap pick in exchange for his current salary. Every team balked at his $10 million a year salary. Every team thinks he's worth less than that. Work from Decker's money and meet someplace in the middle. Say $8.5M to $9M. Anyone who would now pay $10 mill or more has to get their head examined why they didn't do so after the fact they turned down sending a draft pick for his Eagles salary.
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The difference is he was owed that 10.5M in year one if traded. He could be signed now to a contract that defers money towards the back of it costly less in year 1.
 
Dr. Octopus said:
jurb26 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
What doesn't ring true for me is that Jackson was owed $30 million on a contract with 3 years left on it and nobody would give Philly a 7th rounder in exchange for it when Philly tried and failed to find a trade partner. So now they are going to offer him Mike Wallace money? Any number of teams Jackson's agent is name dropping would have had him at cut rate for a cheap pick. I'm buying he gets Eric Decker money and no more.
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You could be right. He comes with baggage that Decker doesn't have. He's a better player though, no doubt.
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but his point, which is a salient one, is that a team could have had him at $10MM per season by giving up a late pick, and no one ponied up - and now people are throwing out numbers that exceed $10MM per season.
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Hard to say. But it's also worth noting that before offering Jackson a deal as a FA, teams can spend some extended face time with him and figure out a comfort level on the character stuff. That usually doesn't happen prior to a trade. Much easier to get a feel for him as a person on a FA visit.

 
jurb26 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
Terpman22 said:
jurb26 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
What doesn't ring true for me is that Jackson was owed $30 million on a contract with 3 years left on it and nobody would give Philly a 7th rounder in exchange for it when Philly tried and failed to find a trade partner. So now they are going to offer him Mike Wallace money? Any number of teams Jackson's agent is name dropping would have had him at cut rate for a cheap pick. I'm buying he gets Eric Decker money and no more.
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You could be right. He comes with baggage that Decker doesn't have. He's a better player though, no doubt.
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I don't think its "no doubt" that Desean is better than Decker.
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Yes, but he's better than Decker. But look, every team had a conversation with Jeff Lurie about offering a cheap pick in exchange for his current salary. Every team balked at his $10 million a year salary. Every team thinks he's worth less than that. Work from Decker's money and meet someplace in the middle. Say $8.5M to $9M. Anyone who would now pay $10 mill or more has to get their head examined why they didn't do so after the fact they turned down sending a draft pick for his Eagles salary.
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The difference is he was owed that 10.5M in year one if traded. He could be signed now to a contract that defers money towards the back of it costly less in year 1.
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Contracts get renegotiated all the time. The Raiders traded for Matt Schaub who was due $11M and $14M and he took a pay cut to $8M and $5M with no cap hit if cut next offseason. But say someone really wanted Desean and was willing to pay him. They could always restructure the deal after the trade.

 
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Dr. Octopus said:
jurb26 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
What doesn't ring true for me is that Jackson was owed $30 million on a contract with 3 years left on it and nobody would give Philly a 7th rounder in exchange for it when Philly tried and failed to find a trade partner. So now they are going to offer him Mike Wallace money? Any number of teams Jackson's agent is name dropping would have had him at cut rate for a cheap pick. I'm buying he gets Eric Decker money and no more.
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You could be right. He comes with baggage that Decker doesn't have. He's a better player though, no doubt.
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but his point, which is a salient one, is that a team could have had him at $10MM per season by giving up a late pick, and no one ponied up - and now people are throwing out numbers that exceed $10MM per season.
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Hard to say. But it's also worth noting that before offering Jackson a deal as a FA, teams can spend some extended face time with him and figure out a comfort level on the character stuff. That usually doesn't happen prior to a trade. Much easier to get a feel for him as a person on a FA visit.
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The Raiders have been reported doing background checks on Jackson weeks ago. I suspect many other teams did likewise. That doesn't speak to the comfort level of the formal meet and greet and players taking him to the club for wining and dining. But all that is more likely just dog and pony stuff. Teams do their homework on guys before they walk in the door.

 
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