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every move they have made re qb has been the wrong one. Draft a project qb in round one, force him onto the field without a preseason, play the yo-yo game with him being injured and not injured then go all in on the season only to waive the white flag after a month and sitting at 2-2? Orton was an act of desperation by a management team without a plan. No matter the result this team is going nowhere under this leadership.
at the time of the 2013 draft when Whaley and Marrone had taken over, what should they have done instead? Stick with Fitzpatrick?
i agree, but the bills saw something different.
This isnt hindsight, I've been criticizing the pick since it was made. If you don't see a franchise qb then don't force one. That will you get fired.
that's fine.
Just noting the names...how much better would everyone feel with Glennon & Benjamin & first rnd pick next yr?Couple things:He's horrible and he made me want to break things while he was at FSU. I am truly sorry for Bills fans.
Noles have won 15 straight since he left.
- If Benjamin doesn't catch that last second TD then FSU was exactly one game better than with Manuel the year before.
- and if in 2012 Glennon doesn't throw a TD on 4th down with 16 seconds left then they have the same record.
the moment you pick a qb in round one your management clock starts, completely different than any other position. Has a management team ever survived a failed first round qb?
or Bridgewater, Davante Adams, and a one next year.Just noting the names...how much better would everyone feel with Glennon & Benjamin & first rnd pick next yr?Couple things:He's horrible and he made me want to break things while he was at FSU. I am truly sorry for Bills fans.
Noles have won 15 straight since he left.
- If Benjamin doesn't catch that last second TD then FSU was exactly one game better than with Manuel the year before.
- and if in 2012 Glennon doesn't throw a TD on 4th down with 16 seconds left then they have the same record.
The problem with Buffalo is that they didn't throw a bunch of darts. Even this yr there were many quality QBs dropping, with better resumes than Manuel, and they didn't bite. From everything heard around here they were just trying to protect him all offseason & preseason. Paul Hamilton has alluded to this frequently. I don't think fans would have as much of a problem with this change if a competent backup had been here through camp. However, when everyone's trying to sell the fan base on Manuel & within 4 wks hands over to a guy only here 4 wks it reeks of desperation.
I agree. I have less of an issue with taking EJ the way they did than with thinking once they had him, they could afford or needed to ignore the position. I hate the idea of coddling QBs like they can't deal with any competition. If they are mentally tough and good enough to lead the team, they will handle it.
True. Pretend he didn't play horribly and he'd be 3-1. With a defense that's yet to yield 20+ pts. Despite two games vs teams whose mediocre D's are carried by their elite offenses. Nothing Blaine Gabbert couldn't have done. Impressive.
Just to be clear...you're saying they would have won if Manual hadn't cost them the game, right?
he has
Buddy Nix had control of personnel in 2012 and gave that contract to Fitz. 2013 was when Whaley/Marrone took over.
Whaley was the assistant GM for both the Fitz contract and the EJ pick, but that doesn't even matter- regardless of the QB situation at the time or who is to blame for it, they weren't forced to reach for a QB with their 1st round pick.
Right.
except that Bree's & Luck were exceptional passing talents coming out of college while EJ was always labeled a project.
Not sure I follow this. Why does being a project mean that Manuel should have developed quicker than "exceptional passing talents"?
I think he means Manuel has never shown the ability at any level to be good so it was a matter of IF he would get as opposed to the other guys it was a matter of when they would get it.
Pretty much this.
Manuel reminds me a lot of McNabb with his inaccuracy and not reading defenses well. He'll probably never be one of the league's best but he could still be a good starter.
No one expected Brees to do what he's done after his first couple of years in the league. I think it's foolish to think that Manuel is finished developing as a QB only 4 games into his second year. Like I've said - he hasn't been horrible (16 TD/12 INT) in his career. If he was a statue I wouldn't be so high on his chances but if he develops just a little bit as a passer he can be a good QB with his ability to run.
None of this makes any sense. Drafting Manuel only sets you back 3-4 years if you stubbornly stick with the guy even when he doesn't pan out. The Bills demonstrably aren't doing that.
I don't think the Chargers would have drafted Rivers if they knew it was just a matter of "when" with Brees.
EJ is worse than his stats let on. He's simply not able to hit receivers in stride. Go back and watch the Bears game in week one and see how many highlight-type catches he forced to his receivers to make because the ball was too high or behind them.
If he plays well this year, it will probably be Orton.MAC_32 said:
I disagree that Manuel has to develop just a little bit as a passer in order to be a good QB- he's one of the worst passing QBs in the league right now. The maddening part is that his flaws were so obvious to so many people, which is why many had him as a mid-round pick.cstu said:
I remember a couple short years ago. We needed a QB, and while other teams passed on him as well, Russell Wilson was sitting there for us to take. Why not take him then? If its about taking chances, we should have taken one with him despite his supposed size limitations. And it being the 3rd round, it would have been a much smaller risk than taking one in the 1st like Manuel.Aaron Rudnicki said:
That goes back to their mistake of believing Fitzpatrick was their QB of the future and giving him a big contract- it their minds, they didn't think they needed a QB, so they probably didn't even bother seriously considering Wilson, Foles, Cousins, etc.
It was an open secret that Whaley was going to take over from Nix immediately after the draft. The Manuel selection was just as much Whaley's as it was Nix's - if not entirely on Whaley.
