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***Detroit Tigers thread: One less win in 2018 thanks to #######s in NYC***

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On 7/3/2018 at 5:53 PM, IMAX 3D said:

Some of their top prospects and yes

Greene should bring some trade value 

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On 7/3/2018 at 8:53 PM, IMAX 3D said:
On 7/3/2018 at 5:39 PM, jon_mx said:

So what could the Doger's give to get Fulmer and should the Tigers do it?  

Some of their top prospects and yes

Again I’ll ask, which prospects should they be targeting in Dodgers system?  Yusniel Diaz?  Christian Santana? How much is enough Dan? 

There are a lot of problems with trading Fulmer now.

1. There are less buyers this year than there has been in a long time. Among them are the Phillies, Braves, and Brewers who all would be hesitant to trade mid rebuild. 

The Braves system is deep but it’s deep in pitching, which the Tigers don’t need. The Phillies have more hitters but guys like Moniak have been duds. 

2. The one attractive thing for potential trade partners is 4 more controllable years of Fulmer, but that’s also the reason not to deal him. 

3. Take a look at all the prospects the Tigers have traded away the last decade plus. Robbie Ray might be the best and he’s not that good this year. Andrew Miller, Maybin, and Gorkys Hernandez have had to go to other teams to have productive careers. Guys like Jacob Turner, Jair Jurrjens, and Jake Thompson have burned out or never achieved close to their potential. Knebal is a really good reliever but meh. 

4. They don’t need pitching. Faedo, Manning, Mize, Perez, Burrows, and Funkhouser represents a lot of recent investment and a great deal of upside. Manning and Perez probably have #2 upside but no aces. Still three of these guys should be in rotation by 2020. 

Meanwhile the system still lacks impact bats. Stewart sure, but he’s almost 25 now and hasn’t sniffed the majors. Parades has most upside, and after a bad start is hitting now, but he’s two years away. Cameron and Lugo could be good, could be. Hill stinks and may never be anything more than a AAAA guy. 

They’d need to get back hitters that are close to majors. Teams hate trading those guys, especially when there are 20 teams selling starting pitching. 

If they are gonna trade him they should wait until the offseason unless someone is throwing a really elite hitting prospect back at a minimum. 

 

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9 hours ago, Doctor Detroit said:

Again I’ll ask, which prospects should they be targeting in Dodgers system?  Yusniel Diaz?  Christian Santana? How much is enough Dan? 

There are a lot of problems with trading Fulmer now.

1. There are less buyers this year than there has been in a long time. Among them are the Phillies, Braves, and Brewers who all would be hesitant to trade mid rebuild. 

The Braves system is deep but it’s deep in pitching, which the Tigers don’t need. The Phillies have more hitters but guys like Moniak have been duds. 

2. The one attractive thing for potential trade partners is 4 more controllable years of Fulmer, but that’s also the reason not to deal him. 

3. Take a look at all the prospects the Tigers have traded away the last decade plus. Robbie Ray might be the best and he’s not that good this year. Andrew Miller, Maybin, and Gorkys Hernandez have had to go to other teams to have productive careers. Guys like Jacob Turner, Jair Jurrjens, and Jake Thompson have burned out or never achieved close to their potential. Knebal is a really good reliever but meh. 

4. They don’t need pitching. Faedo, Manning, Mize, Perez, Burrows, and Funkhouser represents a lot of recent investment and a great deal of upside. Manning and Perez probably have #2 upside but no aces. Still three of these guys should be in rotation by 2020. 

Meanwhile the system still lacks impact bats. Stewart sure, but he’s almost 25 now and hasn’t sniffed the majors. Parades has most upside, and after a bad start is hitting now, but he’s two years away. Cameron and Lugo could be good, could be. Hill stinks and may never be anything more than a AAAA guy. 

They’d need to get back hitters that are close to majors. Teams hate trading those guys, especially when there are 20 teams selling starting pitching. 

If they are gonna trade him they should wait until the offseason unless someone is throwing a really elite hitting prospect back at a minimum. 

 

Agree hitting prospects should be the priority.  Maybe they give up a Verdugo or Ruiz as part of the package.  Teams do dumb stuff when they have a shot at a title

again I’m not saying you give him away for nothing, but if I can get 3-4 good prospects back I’ll gladly give up an average pitcher for a chance at landing a future star

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1 hour ago, IMAX 3D said:

Agree hitting prospects should be the priority.  Maybe they give up a Verdugo or Ruiz as part of the package.  Teams do dumb stuff when they have a shot at a title

again I’m not saying you give him away for nothing, but if I can get 3-4 good prospects back I’ll gladly give up an average pitcher for a chance at landing a future star

No one is trading a future star for an “average pitcher.” So why even bother? 

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The single thing people forget is not whether or not ?, but for WHO?

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How Castellanos wasn’t the Tigers rep is confounding. He’s 4th in the AL in hits, 15th in OPS, and was really the only deserving player. 

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11 hours ago, Doctor Detroit said:

How Castellanos wasn’t the Tigers rep is confounding. He’s 4th in the AL in hits, 15th in OPS, and was really the only deserving player. 

You beat me to it, plus for this season at least he's the face of the franchise. Jimenez also got the nod over Snell who leads the AL in era and is 2nd in wins. Snell will most likely get on the team when 1 of the other pitchers declines due to injury or pitching before the AS game. 

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This offense is offensive, and @bicycle_seat_sniffer wants to part with the only good bat we have. Cool story. 

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4 hours ago, Doctor Detroit said:

This offense is offensive, and @bicycle_seat_sniffer wants to part with the only good bat we have. Cool story. 

Dude can’t play defense 

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13 hours ago, Doctor Detroit said:

This offense is offensive, and @bicycle_seat_sniffer wants to part with the only good bat we have. Cool story. 

Gotta build for 2035 bro.

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HR's in back-to-back games from Stewart in Lakeland.  Hopefully he's in Indy tonight then in Detroit for the opener vs. Boston a week from tomorrow.

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18 hours ago, MAC_32 said:

HR's in back-to-back games from Stewart in Lakeland.  Hopefully he's in Indy tonight then in Detroit for the opener vs. Boston a week from tomorrow.

Tigers could use another hitter.

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On 7/12/2018 at 7:16 AM, IMAX 3D said:

Dude can’t play defense 

Put him in LF and he’s fine. You’re throwing the baby out with the bath water. 

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12 hours ago, Leroy Hoard said:

Tigers could use another hitter.

Yeah this is ridiculous. Castellanos has an OPS 100 points higher than the next regular (Goodrum) and Candelario hasn’t hit in over a month. 

The burning Stewart’s eligibility argument on a bad team is dumb. He’s almost 25, we’re past super two, so he wont be eligible for free agency until he’s 32. 

Let him get acclimated to ML pitching now, and then next year we have a core of Nick, Miggy, Stewart, and Candy. Add a good vet bat and hope this Goodrum production isn’t a mirage, and you have the makings of a pretty good lineup. 

 

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1 hour ago, Doctor Detroit said:

Yeah this is ridiculous. Castellanos has an OPS 100 points higher than the next regular (Goodrum) and Candelario hasn’t hit in over a month. 

The burning Stewart’s eligibility argument on a bad team is dumb. He’s almost 25, we’re past super two, so he wont be eligible for free agency until he’s 32. 

Let him get acclimated to ML pitching now, and then next year we have a core of Nick, Miggy, Stewart, and Candy. Add a good vet bat and hope this Goodrum production isn’t a mirage, and you have the makings of a pretty good lineup. 

 

Whoa no... gotta get VMart at bats so he can develop.

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11 hours ago, Bojang0301 said:

Whoa no... gotta get VMart at bats so he can develop.

They should have VMart bunt more so he can foil the shift.

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