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Politics and War in Ukraine (2 Viewers)
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MaxThreshold
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Doctor Detroit
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Based on the hunting for bear photos I've seen of Putin, pretty sure he likes the wild bush. Guaranteed he's getting it there.
Rohn Jambo
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I dunno... US diplomatic cables call Putin "Batman" and Medvedev "Robin".http://valdaiclub.com/media/main/43/10155.jpgBased on the hunting for bear photos I've seen of Putin, pretty sure he likes the wild bush. Guaranteed he's getting it there.
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I bet it's magnificentBased on the hunting for bear photos I've seen of Putin, pretty sure he likes the wild bush. Guaranteed he's getting it there.
Doctor Detroit
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timschochet
Footballguy
Earlier this morning I asked critics of Obama on this issue to explain what the President should be either doing or saying that he is not. I'm still waiting.
bentley
Footballguy
ThomasA I believe. And it was 2002. I remember because I posted some of my entries from a dial-up speed Internet cafe while on my honeymoon in Mexico.
timschochet
Footballguy
Doctor Detroit
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That's when I first started posting on the yellow boards and I was a lurker only. I remember that and then some huge BGP/Evilgrin debate about economic stimulus, which may have been here in 2003.ThomasA I believe. And it was 2002. I remember because I posted some of my entries from a dial-up speed Internet cafe while on my honeymoon in Mexico.
Gawain
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I'd pay to get the metaphor-lock argument thread in front of me again.ThomasA I believe. And it was 2002. I remember because I posted some of my entries from a dial-up speed Internet cafe while on my honeymoon in Mexico.
mad sweeney
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Dude, gravity. You shouldn't be admonishing anyone to provide intelligent answers to anyone else.Whether they were his original thoughts or not, they were still thoughts he agreed with and decided to share in the discussion. They were someones original thoughts, and they appear to be in opposition to yours. All you can come up with to counterpoint is "TPW's post was plagiarized"?If you disagree with the points made in his post, maybe share some of your opposing thoughts? Or is it not possible for you to intelligently counter those ideas?Apparently not one thought here was original or his own - just a cut-and-paste from far right web sites (he couldn't even take the time to rephrase it) That meets your standards, it doesn't meet mine.You disagree with his post, and all that you can come up with is "TPW's post was plagiarized"..If that's the top line of your debate bullet pointsObviously none to you.
Carolina Hustler
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Especially not you right? Glad you could be here... Don't have a bridge to patrol?Dude, gravity. You shouldn't be admonishing anyone to provide intelligent answers to anyone else.Whether they were his original thoughts or not, they were still thoughts he agreed with and decided to share in the discussion. They were someones original thoughts, and they appear to be in opposition to yours. All you can come up with to counterpoint is "TPW's post was plagiarized"?If you disagree with the points made in his post, maybe share some of your opposing thoughts? Or is it not possible for you to intelligently counter those ideas?Apparently not one thought here was original or his own - just a cut-and-paste from far right web sites (he couldn't even take the time to rephrase it) That meets your standards, it doesn't meet mine.You disagree with his post, and all that you can come up with is "TPW's post was plagiarized"..If that's the top line of your debate bullet pointsObviously none to you.
mad sweeney
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Gravity HustlerEspecially not you right? Glad you could be here... Don't have a bridge to patrol?Dude, gravity. You shouldn't be admonishing anyone to provide intelligent answers to anyone else.Whether they were his original thoughts or not, they were still thoughts he agreed with and decided to share in the discussion. They were someones original thoughts, and they appear to be in opposition to yours. All you can come up with to counterpoint is "TPW's post was plagiarized"?If you disagree with the points made in his post, maybe share some of your opposing thoughts? Or is it not possible for you to intelligently counter those ideas?Apparently not one thought here was original or his own - just a cut-and-paste from far right web sites (he couldn't even take the time to rephrase it) That meets your standards, it doesn't meet mine.You disagree with his post, and all that you can come up with is "TPW's post was plagiarized"..If that's the top line of your debate bullet pointsObviously none to you.
Carolina Hustler
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Get some..Gravity HustlerEspecially not you right? Glad you could be here... Don't have a bridge to patrol?Dude, gravity. You shouldn't be admonishing anyone to provide intelligent answers to anyone else.Whether they were his original thoughts or not, they were still thoughts he agreed with and decided to share in the discussion. They were someones original thoughts, and they appear to be in opposition to yours. All you can come up with to counterpoint is "TPW's post was plagiarized"?If you disagree with the points made in his post, maybe share some of your opposing thoughts? Or is it not possible for you to intelligently counter those ideas?Apparently not one thought here was original or his own - just a cut-and-paste from far right web sites (he couldn't even take the time to rephrase it) That meets your standards, it doesn't meet mine.You disagree with his post, and all that you can come up with is "TPW's post was plagiarized"..If that's the top line of your debate bullet pointsObviously none to you.
Mr. Retukes
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Dinsy Ejotuz
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Because there's nothing we can do that will make a difference without the credible threat that we're willing to go to war over it. Which we aren't. It's exactly the same situation Bush found himself in with Ossetia.
Clinton-Obama-Clinton derangement syndrome is on full display.
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matuski
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Riversco
Footballguy
What is wrong with you? This post is a like a monkey flinging poo at random people and then beating its chest and jumping around. No-one here wants to read 10 pages of you baiting others into a useless political debate.
timschochet
Footballguy
I'm not baiting anyone. This thread is filled with people ripping Obama. But no specifics are offered. What should he do?
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
You warned me and I still wasn't ready. Still, any chick you can fix with a pair of tweezers is fine by me. Fixing most of them takes years of work with a trained psychologist.
bagger
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Thorpe
Footballguy
There is literally nothing the UN can do because Russia has their veto power.
NATO would be the organization that could do something militarily.
My opinion is to let the Crimeans vote on whether they want to be annexed by Russia.
mr roboto
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I'm reading a lot of opinions from Europe and other places that they are surprised that western countries are speaking to the new government in Ukraine. A lot of the world citizens find it strange that he a coup can take place and the US and others will begin to interact with them as though they were a legitimate government immediately. Technically, the government in place right now simply took over. It is not a legitimate government.
Dexter
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Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Well, if we have no real intentions of doing anything about it at all, or we will take any position opposing Russia, it hardly matters how they came to power..
Billy Bats
Footballguy
After the dictator left, why wouldn't we ring the new guys to say hello and ask what they have planned?
(I'm not good with politics, in case you couldn't tell 
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Dr Oadi
Footballguy
Well being that Crimea is 56% Russian that's a no brainier. Maybe California can have a similar vote about bein annexed by Mexico in a decade.
mr roboto
Footballguy
Well yes, but most of the time if a democratically elected government is overthrown in countries we decry the over throwers. We don't necessarily celebrate the coup.After the dictator left, why wouldn't we ring the new guys to say hello and ask what they have planned?
fatness
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Whether they were his original thoughts or not, they were still thoughts he agreed with and decided to share in the discussion.Apparently not one thought here was original or his own - just a cut-and-paste from far right web sites (he couldn't even take the time to rephrase it) That meets your standards, it doesn't meet mine.You disagree with his post, and all that you can come up with is "TPW's post was plagiarized"..Obviously none to you.
If that's the top line of your debate bullet points
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
That's not quite right -- the Parliament impeached him, following the letter of the law. I've read that it was a legal proceeding.
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Fennis
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I don’t believe that’s true. As far as everything I have read, Ukraine’s parliament impeached Yanukovych according to their laws and rules. They have also set the next elections in May following those same laws.
Fennis
Footballguy
Yanukovych wasn't a dictator. He was elected president. He was also impeached by Ukraine's parliament.After the dictator left, why wouldn't we ring the new guys to say hello and ask what they have planned?
Fennis
Footballguy
You want me to copy and paste a response?You disagree with his post, and all that you can come up with is "TPW's post was plagiarized"..Obviously none to you.
If that's the top line of your debate bullet points
HellToupee
Footballguy
game overArmed forces of the Ukraine: 159,000 active personnel
Armed forces of Russia: 766,000 active personnel
Total budget for Ukraine armed forces: 1.9 billion
Total budget for Russia armed forces: 90.4 billion
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
What is the argument against Crimea joining Russia? Seems like the population wants it.
kupcho1
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cstu
Footballguy
Best foreign policy President in 40 years though.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
I know he was elected so technically not a dictator, but everything I've read about him has called him one.Yanukovych wasn't a dictator. He was elected president. He was also impeached by Ukraine's parliament.After the dictator left, why wouldn't we ring the new guys to say hello and ask what they have planned?
Are they using it too loosely or just as a way to describe his "leadership"?
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Fennis
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I think thats a good question. Crimea leaving Ukraine is probably similiar to Chechnya leaving Russia or Kurdistan leaving Iraq/Turkey or countless other examples. Self determination never seems like an easy answer.
kupcho1
Footballguy
Fixed
cstu
Footballguy
What's the argument about the South seceding? Seemed like the population wanted it.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Highlighted, in case you missed it.Best foreign policy President in 40 years though.
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