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Star Trek: Discovery | Premieres September 24, 2017

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Release date announced: the first episode will air Sunday, September 24, with a special broadcast premiere on the CBS TV network airing 8:30-9:30 PM.

All later episodes will be on CBS All Access

 

The plan has been revised, only the first 8 episodes will be released this fall, every Sunday from 9/24 to 11/5.

The remaining 7 episodes of the first season will (hopefully?) start coming out in January 2018, weekly on Sundays.

CBS All Access will also present an aftershow, Talking Dead-style, called "Talking Trek".

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The CBS all access thing still kills me.  I'm holding out hope that might change if the ratings suck because they don't pull enough audience on their streaming service.  

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Watching DS9 (just started seasons 7).  Never realized the same actor played Weyoun and Brunt.  One of my favorite characters in the series.  Garak is unquestionably my favorite.  

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1 hour ago, captain_amazing said:

The CBS all access thing still kills me.  I'm holding out hope that might change if the ratings suck because they don't pull enough audience on their streaming service.  

 

Nah. They're using this to launch the service. All the big providers are trying to get in on the Netflix model. CBS has all-access. HBO has HBO-GO (and Time-Warner is launching at least two more streaming services simultaneously).

There's no chance they give up on All Access, it's their future.

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Among many topics, one thing I've always struggled with in the series is determining the physical strength of species relative to each other.  Here's what I assume in terms of the order of strength of species:

Android (data)

Borg

Klingon

Hunters

Jemhadar 

Vulcans

Gorn

 

And then a group that is of similar strength:

Humans

Romulans

Cardassians

Xindi (obviously different species mixed in here)

Andorians

Betazeds

Trills

 

And then Ferengi, although there is a reference of them being exceptionally strong (kind of like how dwarves are perceived as in fantasy realms).

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On 6/19/2017 at 5:39 PM, captain_amazing said:

Watching DS9 (just started seasons 7).  Never realized the same actor played Weyoun and Brunt.  One of my favorite characters in the series.  Garak is unquestionably my favorite.  

Jeffrey Combs is all over Star Trek.  The two roles you mention, he was Shran on Enterprise, a Ferngi character on an episode of Enterpise, and a character on an episode of Voyager.

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8 hours ago, Mjolnirs said:

Jeffrey Combs is all over Star Trek.  The two roles you mention, he was Shran on Enterprise, a Ferngi character on an episode of Enterpise, and a character on an episode of Voyager.

He's a great recurring actor in the series.  

As i watch the series' over and over, I see more and more recurring actors.  I knew of several already, but there are many more than I previously realized.

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Lots of commercials today during football.  A little geeked out, commercials look good, better than the trailer. Forgot premier was tonight!

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On 8/18/2017 at 5:00 PM, captain_amazing said:

Among many topics, one thing I've always struggled with in the series is determining the physical strength of species relative to each other.  Here's what I assume in terms of the order of strength of species:

Android (data)

Borg

Klingon

Hunters

Jemhadar 

Vulcans

Gorn

 

And then a group that is of similar strength:

Humans

Romulans

Cardassians

Xindi (obviously different species mixed in here)

Andorians

Betazeds

Trills

 

And then Ferengi, although there is a reference of them being exceptionally strong (kind of like how dwarves are perceived as in fantasy realms).

Way late responding but Romulans would be slightly ahead of Vulcans, same genetic ancestors, but Romulans okay with giving in to their emotions like anger. :nerd:

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I'm late responding too but Vulcans are considerably stronger than Klingons.  The young, reborn Spock in Star Trek III threw the Klingons attempting to restrain him around like twigs.  

. . . but great subtopic, cap. :thumbup:  

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On 8/19/2017 at 6:03 PM, captain_amazing said:

He's a great recurring actor in the series.  

As i watch the series' over and over, I see more and more recurring actors.  I knew of several already, but there are many more than I previously realized.

Tony Todd is my favorite. Worf's brother but his best episode is The Visitor playing an adult Jake on DS9. I know people love The Inner Light, but The Visitor is best Trek ever, IMO.

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I enjoyed episode 1. Will stream #2 tonight.

Klingon intro was fantastic. Not a fan of the new captain though.

 

I'm in going forward.

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13 minutes ago, =Smackdown= said:

I enjoyed episode 1. Will stream #2 tonight.

Klingon intro was fantastic. Not a fan of the new captain though.

 

I'm in going forward.

Worth paying for or just wait till it's eventually on Netflix?

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I was a little underwhelmed, the decision to make Sasha raised by the Vulcans wasn't a good one IMO. They made her character too stilted and "trying" to be logical, her dialogue especially early on was just too dry (as guessed in previous posts about the first trailer, almost everything in that trailer was in the first 10~30 mins.) I did like the rest of the cast and characters though, especially some of the naïve optimism/typical Starfleet attitude of the junior bridge officers.

 

Amazing production values, even better than the recent movies IMO. But they have almost totally reinvented the Klingon's here and that was a turnoff to me as a longtime fan, not sure why they just didn't come up with a whole new race. The ending was trying to be a cliffhanger and entice you to go signup to watch the next episode but just felt way too abrupt.

 

Also one major complaint, the very first commercial break they did a commercial for the new streaming service with future scenes and gave away WAY too much. And then proceeded to show even more teasers every break after that.

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2 hours ago, Insein said:

Worth paying for or just wait till it's eventually on Netflix?

Honestly hard to say, they should have aired 2 episodes IMO. Instead they left it on a small cliffhanger and immediately went into a commercial to go sign up for the service to immediately watch episode two. Apparently there is a 7 day free trial for new subscribers, so I am thinking of waiting for the next few episodes to come out and then maybe do the trial.

 

Service is $9.99 a month with no commercials, $5.99 with limited commercials, IIRC.

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3 hours ago, Buckna said:

But they have almost totally reinvented the Klingon's here and that was a turnoff to me as a longtime fan, not sure why they just didn't come up with a whole new race.

 

From what I heard, it's all part of the retcon. The TOS Klingons had smooth foreheads, then in the movies they got pointier, then Worf kind of solidified their appearance. They ask him at one point what the deal was with the TOS version, and Worf says "We do not discuss it with outsiders". 

The retcon is that the Klingons started work in Genetic Engineering and accidentally unleashed a retro-virus that changes their appearance. The TOS Klingons were sufferers of that virus. I think (though I never saw a single episode of the series) that on Enterprise this was made canon.

It's possible that these Klingons are "pure" Klingons, intent on restoring the glory of the Empire, and getting rid of the TOS smooth-headed guys. 

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Eh, I'm not talking about head ridges, even the art design, ship design, culture, etc. are different. (I did like the new take on the bat'leth.) I guess we are supposed to buy in that the Klingon's are fractured clans at this point (they mention their goal of bringing the 24 houses together multiple times) almost like different nations with different traditions/practices, technology/design asthetics and even different racial characteristics. They do make it a point to mention that the "white" Klingon Voc(sp?) son of none is an outcast because of his skin color.

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6 hours ago, Insein said:

Worth paying for or just wait till it's eventually on Netflix?

IIRC is available on "non-US" Netflix if you have access to that

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4 hours ago, Buckna said:

Honestly hard to say, they should have aired 2 episodes IMO. Instead they left it on a small cliffhanger and immediately went into a commercial to go sign up for the service to immediately watch episode two. Apparently there is a 7 day free trial for new subscribers, so I am thinking of waiting for the next few episodes to come out and then maybe do the trial.

 

Service is $9.99 a month with no commercials, $5.99 with limited commercials, IIRC.

So stupid.  Who would pay a monthly fee for CBS?

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6 minutes ago, chet said:

So stupid.  Who would pay a monthly fee for CBS?

They are apparently betting Trek geeks will, but I agree there's nothing in their library I would want to watch. Old CSI or NCIS episodes?  The Brady Bunch? Big Bang Theory reruns that are on like 8 times a day already?

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:blackdot:

watched the 1st episode. not super-jazzed, but looks good and guessing it will hit its stride soon.

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Just now, El Floppo said:

:blackdot:

watched the 1st episode. not super-jazzed, but looks good and guessing it will hit its stride soon.

Get your CC out to watch E2.

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Just now, chet said:

Get your CC out to watch E2.

can't I just wait for next week, or are they skipping ahead to ep3 because screw me, that's why.

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14 minutes ago, El Floppo said:

can't I just wait for next week, or are they skipping ahead to ep3 because screw me, that's why.

They're using this series get people to sign up for their streaming service. Because screw you (and me, and everyone else).

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On 12/8/2016 at 3:13 PM, The Z Machine said:

Netflix probably classifies their subscribers by billing location, not IP.

nope.  you can use VPN to watch netflix from other countries.

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24 minutes ago, El Floppo said:

can't I just wait for next week, or are they skipping ahead to ep3 because screw me, that's why.

 

Only last night's episode is on CBS. All the rest are only on the streaming service. This was the free one to get you hooked.

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Just now, Walking Boot said:

 

Only last night's episode is on CBS. All the rest are only on the streaming service. This was the free one to get you hooked.

lol.

hook this [pointing to nether region]... #### them.

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3 minutes ago, Walking Boot said:

 

Only last night's episode is on CBS. All the rest are only on the streaming service. This was the free one to get you hooked.

will wait until they all air and then get the free week trial

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13 minutes ago, Walking Boot said:

 

Only last night's episode is on CBS. All the rest are only on the streaming service. This was the free one to get you hooked.

Wait, really?  Oof.  I hope this fails miserably so that no network ever thinks of doing something like this again.

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15 minutes ago, Foosball God said:

Wait, really?  Oof.  I hope this fails miserably so that no network ever thinks of doing something like this again.

 

It was kind of the whole point. CBS wanted to start a streaming service, and took a look at what properties they owned they could use to launch around. Trek was the top of the list.

 

All the networks are doing this in the near future. FOX just removed their entire catalog from Netflix to move to Hulu (which it owns a percentage of). There won't be a single service that owns everything, you'll have to buy into the CBS Bundle, the FOX Bundle, the ESPN Bundle, etc., someday if you want to cut the cord (and, of course, end up paying the same $).

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Yep, Disney recently announced they are pulling all their content from Netflix and are going to start up their own streaming service too (I would assume that means all of ABC's content too.) It's going to be a cluster with all these different services out there. My guess is most of them crash and burn and they end up going back to Netflix and Amazon.

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33 minutes ago, Buckna said:

Yep, Disney recently announced they are pulling all their content from Netflix and are going to start up their own streaming service too (I would assume that means all of ABS's content too.) It's going to be a cluster with all these different services out there. My guess is most of them crash and burn and they end up going back to Netflix and Amazon.

That's gonna be rough for Netflix. A large portion of their kids content ate Disney movies and shows. They'll survive on the DreamWorks stuff and other homegrown shows but still.

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2 hours ago, Walking Boot said:

 

It was kind of the whole point. CBS wanted to start a streaming service, and took a look at what properties they owned they could use to launch around. Trek was the top of the list.

 

All the networks are doing this in the near future. FOX just removed their entire catalog from Netflix to move to Hulu (which it owns a percentage of). There won't be a single service that owns everything, you'll have to buy into the CBS Bundle, the FOX Bundle, the ESPN Bundle, etc., someday if you want to cut the cord (and, of course, end up paying the same $).

Except I won't.  I'll just pick one or two and the rest I'll live without.

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The other CBS Access original, The Good Fight (The Good Wife spinoff) is now on Amazon for $24.99.  I think I can wait for a similar deal.

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11 hours ago, =Smackdown= said:

Not a fan of the new captain though.

Mulgrew and now this chick? We get it, in the future women are in really cool jobs like captain of a star ship.  But ya gotta make them cool

:PicardAndKirk:

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3 hours ago, Walking Boot said:

 

Only last night's episode is on CBS. All the rest are only on the streaming service. This was the free one to get you hooked.

It's funny, if you hadn't alerted me of this id've just thought it got cancelled because it's crap 

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Not hooked so far. As a prequel, I am not sure the storyline of a big impending war works. That that much to develop characters. Why do we have a new look for Klingons again?

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4 hours ago, Walking Boot said:

It was kind of the whole point. CBS wanted to start a streaming service, and took a look at what properties they owned they could use to launch around. Trek was the top of the list.

All the networks are doing this in the near future. FOX just removed their entire catalog from Netflix to move to Hulu (which it owns a percentage of). There won't be a single service that owns everything, you'll have to buy into the CBS Bundle, the FOX Bundle, the ESPN Bundle, etc., someday if you want to cut the cord (and, of course, end up paying the same $).

There is a zero percent chance this works for them.  They all wanted to fight and stick with the archaic cable TV model and they let other people beat them to market for streaming.  Now those streaming services are household names and people have chosen theirs already.  It's too late for these dumb networks to try and jump in and think everyone is going to pay for a dozen different streaming services.

I hope cable TV keeps dying and they get stuck putting their mediocre shows on the established streaming services while making a fraction of the money they once did.

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11 hours ago, FreeBaGeL said:

There is a zero percent chance this works for them.  They all wanted to fight and stick with the archaic cable TV model and they let other people beat them to market for streaming.  Now those streaming services are household names and people have chosen theirs already.  It's too late for these dumb networks to try and jump in and think everyone is going to pay for a dozen different streaming services.

I hope cable TV keeps dying and they get stuck putting their mediocre shows on the established streaming services while making a fraction of the money they once did.

It was pretty arrogant to think they could come in at a price point higher than Prime and Netflix when their content is non existent. They should have tried to go in under $5 or even free to gain traction. No one is paying $10 a month for Star Trek. Not even trekkies. They'll just bootleg a version from over seas.

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1 hour ago, Insein said:

It was pretty arrogant to think they could come in at a price point higher than Prime and Netflix when their content is non existent. They should have tried to go in under $5 or even free to gain traction. No one is paying $10 a month for Star Trek. Not even trekkies. They'll just bootleg a version from over seas.

totally agree with you. start at a buck for the first 30 days, up to 5 and then play it by ear to see if you get 10. but right now, when so many of us are still with cable bundles AND premiums like netflix, hbo, etc... #### them.

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On ‎9‎/‎24‎/‎2017 at 5:58 PM, Buckna said:

Tony Todd is my favorite. Worf's brother but his best episode is The Visitor playing an adult Jake on DS9. I know people love The Inner Light, but The Visitor is best Trek ever, IMO.

Big fan of Tony Todd as well.  The Visitor is easily the best DS9 episode.

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Originally I was all set to pay for CBS access.  We signed up for it a while back in anticipation of the series, then after it was pushed back a few times I cancelled.

I didn't love or hate the episode, but would like to see more.  I just don't think I'm committed enough to pay for it now.

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It's BS that you have to shell out $6/month for All Access and there are STILL commercials. Have to pay extra to get rid of those. No way I'm doing that - I'll just sit there and fume for three minutes 4-5 times per episode. 

And maybe it's just me, but I HATE subtitles. I get it, it seems more authentic. Point for the production team there. But Episode 2 is about 25% subtitled Klingons talking to each other. You spend so much time watching the bottom of the screen, you end up missing everything else on the screen, including which character is talking. Drives me crazy, especially because it's just so, so unnecessary. 

I guess I understand why the story launched right into a war out of the gate. Gotta show off all those special effects to keep the mouth-breathers entertained. I just hope the storytelling ends up being good enough to make it worth it. 

Ultimately, I'm just hoping it's better than Enterprise. And for now, I haven't seen anything definitive that makes me think it won't be. 

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What I have liked so far

 

The show's premise

The lead's premise

Where in the timeline they are and their mission

Interaction/history between Sarek and Michael

This latest episode (6)

What I haven't liked so far

 

Episodes 4-5

The Tardigrade as a navigator with the spores? :rolleyes:

The look of the Klingons

Most of the crew

_____________

I really want to like this show and, after the disappointment that was episodes 4/5, at least this episode (6) was good in my book.... :thumbup:

 

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I loved the new episode.  I don't know if they are setting up a long term arc or short term, but lots of possibilities.

If you truly want to geek out, watch The Tholian Web from TOS and In a Mirror Darkly from Enterprise first before this episode of Discovery.

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Anyone know if they have gotten a lot of subscribers or not?  I'm still hoping this fails miserably.  (Not the show necessarily, but the network streaming concept.)

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39 minutes ago, Foosball God said:

Anyone know if they have gotten a lot of subscribers or not?  I'm still hoping this fails miserably.  (Not the show necessarily, but the network streaming concept.)

Here here.

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