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Another killing at the hands of the Police (10 Viewers)
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Jackstraw
Footballguy
Jackstraw
Footballguy
mcintyre1
Footballguy
Ironically, the shooter was a white, 37 year old Veteran Trumper/Alt-Righter. He apparently recorded the event on Periscope as well.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/949471343803641856
a couple of interesting parts to this story being discussed.
1) interesting how often it's cited that cops should shoot if there is even the worry someone has a gun when this woman is allowed to pull a gun and waive it around in the officers faces for awhile before they shoot.
2) young woman with mental health history, no violent offenses and was committing no crime other than failing to report back to her group home and the cops engage in a 3 hour standoff that results in them entering a boyfriends home and killing the woman.
a couple of interesting parts to this story being discussed.
1) interesting how often it's cited that cops should shoot if there is even the worry someone has a gun when this woman is allowed to pull a gun and waive it around in the officers faces for awhile before they shoot.
2) young woman with mental health history, no violent offenses and was committing no crime other than failing to report back to her group home and the cops engage in a 3 hour standoff that results in them entering a boyfriends home and killing the woman.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Yenrub
Footballguy
I bet Tamir Rice or Daniel Shaver wish they were given the sort of leeway this woman was given before they were killed.
Underachievers
Footballguy
I bet not?Yenrub said:
Dedfin
Footballguy
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Police in Little Rock, Arkansas shot & killed 17 y/o high school senior Charles Smith, Jr.
He was a beloved son and student - pulled over by police for a routine traffic stop. Friends say the stop was classic racial profiling
32 people killed by American police already in 2018.
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Police in Little Rock, Arkansas shot & killed 17 y/o high school senior Charles Smith, Jr.
He was a beloved son and student - pulled over by police for a routine traffic stop. Friends say the stop was classic racial profiling
32 people killed by American police already in 2018.
Johnny Rock
Footballguy
That was honestly the point of my post. Shaun King is a cancer to this country. Despite clear visual evidence this kid tried to kill a cop (and possibly could have shot his "friends"), he won't ever update his tweet because it doesn't add followers to his trash.
http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2018/jan/11/teen-was-breaking-curfew-when-stopped-b/
Charles Edward Smith Jr., the North Little Rock teenager killed by police during an early Sunday exchange of gunfire, was under a court-ordered, 5 p.m. curfew when he died.
The curfew, which barred him from being outside his home at night, was a condition of Smith's release from jail last year as he awaited trial on charges that he had participated in three armed robberies in three counties -- Garland, Lonoke and Miller.
Those darned racist cops. Why would they ever pull over such a good kid?
Charles Edward Smith Jr., the North Little Rock teenager killed by police during an early Sunday exchange of gunfire, was under a court-ordered, 5 p.m. curfew when he died.
The curfew, which barred him from being outside his home at night, was a condition of Smith's release from jail last year as he awaited trial on charges that he had participated in three armed robberies in three counties -- Garland, Lonoke and Miller.
Those darned racist cops. Why would they ever pull over such a good kid?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
"A West Virginia cop was just fired for *not* killing a suicidal man who was holding an unloaded gun."
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Don't worry his partners showed up and killed the guy
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Don't worry his partners showed up and killed the guy
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article206055609.html
After first saying Stephon Clark had a gun, then changing it to a crowbar, then admitting he just had a cell phone, we now learn that the Sacramento Police shot this man 20 times in his own backyard.
After first saying Stephon Clark had a gun, then changing it to a crowbar, then admitting he just had a cell phone, we now learn that the Sacramento Police shot this man 20 times in his own backyard.
Worm
slimy ninja
I just saw this.
I really don't understand how/when being a police officer went from 'accepting risks associated with the job while apprehending suspects for lesser crimes', to 'shoot to kill first and ask questions later'.
Perhaps we just never heard of these cases back in the day.
In this case, the police officers were in cover around the corner of the house, had no reason to suspect violent response, never saw a weapon... yet the first instinct is to riddle him with bullets within a half second of giving him their first command from 30 feet away.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
His own backyard is a very loose interpretation of what actually happened here. The guy didn't even have a key to the place.
Worm
slimy ninja
May be a little bit sensationalist, but doesn't really change the fact that this was another disturbing police killing.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
It obviously changes things a great deal. The narrative here is that the police rolled up and shot a dude just hanging out in his own backyard. That is incredibly different than the police shot a guy that was allegedly trying to break into a house, ran from police while being tracked by a helicopter, and then was knocking on a window at his grandma's house to be let in to escape the police.
People can make their judgments based on the actual scenario. No need to change the story like urbanhack did.
Worm
slimy ninja
So it wasn't another disturbing police killing? A justified police killing? Shooting a guy "knocking on a window at his grandma's house to be let in to escape the police" is acceptable?
Urbanhack's wording/emphasis doesn't change the story from what it is if you take the time to look at what happened. No one should ever judge a news story on a headline so there's no point spending time arguing that.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Worm
slimy ninja
Pretty sure I never said that and admitted that his phrasing was sensationalist. And in my original post described why it was disturbing.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Police shoot man trying to gain entry into elderly woman's home.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
You say urbanhack's account doesnt change anything.
This is a strange statement to make. It changes the entire scenario. First he is painting it like it is some sinister police cover up. Then he is saying something that is completely false. The police shooting somebody hanging out in their own backyard is very different than what actually happened here.
As with all things in life there are varying levels of accountability. I think two cops rolling up and shooting somebody hanging out unarmed in his own backyard without identifying themselves as police should be considered criminal behavior.
I think what actually happened here is in the realm of police misconduct, but not criminal behavior.
Worm
slimy ninja
My point re: urbanhack is that it doesn't change the story from what the story actually is. I don't care what he posted as the headline. I read the story. I watched the video. If any of this concerns anyone they should do the same for themselves. Urbanhack or CNN or Fox News' description of a story doesn't alter the facts if you take the time to look at them.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
(nsfw blood)
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/03/29/san-francisco-police-release-video-of-deadly-barber-shop-shooting/
Police Capt. Valerie Matthews, who heads the major crimes division of the department, said the shooting happened after police were called to the 200 block of Amazon Avenue at 4:28 p.m. on March 21. Family members had reported that Eid was threatening them, flashed a gun, and was trying to break into their garage. When police arrived, the family said he had gone to Amazon Barbershop nearby at 949 Geneva Ave., according to Matthews.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j78QDwQJVv8
Watching these videos puts into perspective for me how quickly these officers have to make a life altering decision. I couldn't even see the gun.
Obviously: “He was a very sweet kid,” the uncle said. “He did not have to die.”
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/03/29/san-francisco-police-release-video-of-deadly-barber-shop-shooting/
Police Capt. Valerie Matthews, who heads the major crimes division of the department, said the shooting happened after police were called to the 200 block of Amazon Avenue at 4:28 p.m. on March 21. Family members had reported that Eid was threatening them, flashed a gun, and was trying to break into their garage. When police arrived, the family said he had gone to Amazon Barbershop nearby at 949 Geneva Ave., according to Matthews.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j78QDwQJVv8
Watching these videos puts into perspective for me how quickly these officers have to make a life altering decision. I couldn't even see the gun.
Obviously: “He was a very sweet kid,” the uncle said. “He did not have to die.”
Huh. Mass murderer points object at police officer, and is not gunned down, but is arrested instead.
What is the world coming to?
What is the world coming to?
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
Because they are not very good at their job?...Anyone who runs over 25 innocent people killing 10 of those innocent people, should have been shot dead.... what would be the reason to take him alive?
Calvitron Johnson
Footballguy
with real stinky bait.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
maxwelledison
Footballguy
Yay summary execution!
The posters supporting this approach are pretty clearly not the most sophisticated lot. They identify with simplistic thinking for a reason.
But he was brandishing an object in his hands. US police definitely would have shot first, asked questions later.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
Yep...Waste time and money not to mention continual heartache for the victims families...By the way do know the definition of summary execution...He wasn't accused of the crime, he was witnessed committing the crime.
maxwelledison
Footballguy
I should know better, but...
So? That’s how an accusation, that may or may not lead to indictment, often begins - with a witness or witnesses. One of the fundamental elements of civilization is that, no matter how horrific the crime, the accused is entitled to due process. Again, the chance that you are remotely familiar with due process, or the enlightenment principles that support it, is around zero.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Pipes
Footballguy
Was the Florida school shooter shot and killed by police? How about the guy who just shot up the waffle house? Just 2 recent examples and I realize you're fishing but this is such a ridiculous statement. Not saying it doesn't happen but you're painting a pretty broad, terrible picture of the police force in this country.
Since 2015, there have been 38 people killed by Canadian Police
In 2015, there were 1146 people killed by US police
No matter how you want to slice it - we have a problem.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Yes. We should definitely do something about our population density.
Since 2015, there have been 38 people killed by Canadian Police
In 2015, there were 1146 people killed by US police
No matter how you want to slice it - we have a problem.
And..."Statistics Canada only tracks fatal police shootings if an officer is criminally charged"
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