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Another killing at the hands of the Police (3 Viewers)
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Max Power
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/police-officer-shot-in-ambush-had-no-chance-of-survival/ar-AADflro?ocid=spartandhp
Stories like this are why some officers might be quick to pull their service weapon.
Stories like this are why some officers might be quick to pull their service weapon.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Domestic violence calls are the most dangerous calls for police. Always have been, probably always will be. Tragic every time and another very good reason domestic violence perpetrators should not be allowed to have guns.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Am I reading it wrong or was this not actually a domestic abuse call? It’s actually hard from the article to determine exactly what was going on. Were they helping his gf clear out the garage or were they looking to serve a bench warrant?
Henry Ford
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Both were happening, I think the officer who was shot was part of the DV order to help this woman get her belongings.
Ilov80s
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Ok, yeah I can see that. It’s so sad to lose that young woman and such a POS whose apparently been abusing women all his life.
KCitons
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Henry Ford
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KCitons
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Sorry, I got in the way of your agenda. I forgot, some people here are not for making things better.
Carry on.
Snorkelson
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I think there will be a time where we look back on the drinking culture and the way it’s portrayed in tvs and movies like we do smoking.
Max Power
Footballguy
This has already become a reality for the military. The military historically has been a very heavy alcohol fueled culture. Many customs and traditions have alcohol related origins. Command events generally involve a couple kegs.
Over the years I've seen it dialed back a lot. I think we've finally realized that we're creating and enabling too many alcohol related incidents and increase the risk of alcoholism. We still have plenty of the old guard who try to keep some of these traditions alive, but times have really changed.
mcintyre1
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Not a police killing, but involves police misconduct and the deliberate framing of a situation as far more dangerous than a reasonable person would perceive it:
Officer Pulls Gun on Student Picking Up Trash Outside of Dorm Building
From the officer's body cam, we see him describe the black student's trash grabber as "some kind of a blunt object" over his radio call for support. The officer then continues to only refer to the trash grabber as a "weapon" and "an object" - even if we were to be generous and assume that this officer is incredibly sheltered and has never encountered a trash grabber or anything similar before, the resident uses the trash grabber to pick up and place trash into his bucket many times throughout the video.
Despite the entire incident being predicated on the fact that the officer would not take the word (or offered college ID) of this man that he was a resident and was working, it is notable that the officer does not later question an older white man who appears on scene and announces himself to be "Director of Safety and Facilites" for the college. He asks for not proof of this white man's identity or association with the college.
The officer resigned, but will be paid through early 2020. A review of the incident by the police determined there was no racial profiling and no need to change any policies.
Officer Pulls Gun on Student Picking Up Trash Outside of Dorm Building
From the officer's body cam, we see him describe the black student's trash grabber as "some kind of a blunt object" over his radio call for support. The officer then continues to only refer to the trash grabber as a "weapon" and "an object" - even if we were to be generous and assume that this officer is incredibly sheltered and has never encountered a trash grabber or anything similar before, the resident uses the trash grabber to pick up and place trash into his bucket many times throughout the video.
Despite the entire incident being predicated on the fact that the officer would not take the word (or offered college ID) of this man that he was a resident and was working, it is notable that the officer does not later question an older white man who appears on scene and announces himself to be "Director of Safety and Facilites" for the college. He asks for not proof of this white man's identity or association with the college.
The officer resigned, but will be paid through early 2020. A review of the incident by the police determined there was no racial profiling and no need to change any policies.
rockaction
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Florida cop found planting meth on 52 individuals, one lost their son/daughter, according to the WaPo.
Nice guy, nice work.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/11/us/florida-deputy-arrested-planting-drugs-charges/index.html
Nice guy, nice work.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/11/us/florida-deputy-arrested-planting-drugs-charges/index.html
Snorkelson
Footballguy
BS
Cop fired in unarmed shooting reinstated, gets retirement. I’ll link the article if I can find it again, it was in my news feed. The guy was a cop for a few years, killed an unarmed man and was dismissed, now reinstated and filing for medical retirement so he can get about $2500/month.
Cop fired in unarmed shooting reinstated, gets retirement. I’ll link the article if I can find it again, it was in my news feed. The guy was a cop for a few years, killed an unarmed man and was dismissed, now reinstated and filing for medical retirement so he can get about $2500/month.
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Yenrub
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This is the officer who shot the guy who was on his knees in the hallway of a hotel. I remember that video, I'm just a little surprised the officer was acquitted
Yenrub
Footballguy
Hope this guy goes away for a very long time and I hope his victims that are still alive are able to get their lives back together
ren hoek
Footballguy
https://reason.com/2019/07/11/this-cop-is-getting-2500-a-month-because-killing-an-unarmed-man-in-a-hotel-hallway-gave-him-ptsd/
Philip Brailsford. Says he got PTSD from murdering Daniel Shaver. Complete filth.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
More racial diversity in U.S. police departments unlikely to reduce shootings: study
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/more-racial-diversity-in-us-police-departments-unlikely-to-reduce-shootings-study/ar-AAEIMMu?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=mailsignout
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/more-racial-diversity-in-us-police-departments-unlikely-to-reduce-shootings-study/ar-AAEIMMu?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=mailsignout
PinkydaPimp
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I would agree with that. I think it more important for people that live in a community to police that community then it is to add diversity. Granted, that(more diversity) may happen as a result of doing this but it wouldn’t be the specific objective.
Its much harder to shoot the guy you see at the supermarket every week than it is some random person you don’t know and are judging based on what you heard about the people in that neighborhood.
also i feel like just making changes without changing the culture from the top down won’t make a difference.
rockaction
Footballguy
Just wanted to take a moment, prompted by another thread, to remember Eric Garner and Kelly Thomas and their senseless deaths due to abhorrent laws and policing thenceforth.
ren hoek
Footballguy
He asked the police for help. They told him to stay on the ground, where he was handcuffed and writhing. He said he was afraid the officers would kill him. They told him to relax. He asked for help again. They kept him pinned, his face in the grass, a knee on his back. He asked again.
Then Tony Timpa went unconscious. In less than 20 minutes he was dead.
The group of Dallas police officers detaining Timpa didn’t seem to notice he was dying in front of them. They didn’t check whether he was breathing, and they didn’t look for a pulse. Instead, the officers laughed. They mocked the way he had squirmed around, clearly in distress — “like a roly poly,” one said. They speculated about what sort of mental illness he might have, or what drugs he might have taken.
When Timpa stopped responding, the officers apparently assumed he was asleep. They kept laughing, making jokes about waking him up for school. They tapped him, shook him, but he didn’t answer. “What happened?” one officer asked.
“I don’t know, he just got quiet,” another responded.
“Just, bloop,” chimed in a third.
Timpa’s last minutes alive were made public in a disturbing video obtained and published by the Dallas Morning News and NBC5, the result of a years-long legal battle for access to records related to the 32-year-old’s death in police custody on Aug. 10, 2016.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/08/01/police-laughed-joked-he-lost-consciousness-handcuffs-minutes-later-he-died/
Then Tony Timpa went unconscious. In less than 20 minutes he was dead.
The group of Dallas police officers detaining Timpa didn’t seem to notice he was dying in front of them. They didn’t check whether he was breathing, and they didn’t look for a pulse. Instead, the officers laughed. They mocked the way he had squirmed around, clearly in distress — “like a roly poly,” one said. They speculated about what sort of mental illness he might have, or what drugs he might have taken.
When Timpa stopped responding, the officers apparently assumed he was asleep. They kept laughing, making jokes about waking him up for school. They tapped him, shook him, but he didn’t answer. “What happened?” one officer asked.
“I don’t know, he just got quiet,” another responded.
“Just, bloop,” chimed in a third.
Timpa’s last minutes alive were made public in a disturbing video obtained and published by the Dallas Morning News and NBC5, the result of a years-long legal battle for access to records related to the 32-year-old’s death in police custody on Aug. 10, 2016.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/08/01/police-laughed-joked-he-lost-consciousness-handcuffs-minutes-later-he-died/
Max Power
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mcintyre1
Footballguy
Amazing job by those officers (you can see them running in and ducking behind the car at the top of the screen). Seems like they waited for bystanders to clear before popping out and killing the shooter steps before he reached the door of the bar.
OrtonToOlsen
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cosjobs
Footballguy
Its both necessary - and will fuel the cry for more militarization of our police forces, and sad that we seem to be sucked into a spiraling escalation of gun violence, where our police feel the need for more and more weapons to combat the threat of civilians with weapons.
Max Power
Footballguy
This actually started as a result of the North Hollywood Bank robbery in 1997. Many officers still carried revolvers at the time. The police were so badly outgunned they commandeered assault weapons from a local gun shop.
Man In The Box
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whoknew
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Sheriff Bart
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rockaction
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This is true, but as someone who has tangentially followed this, the North Hollywood bank robbery of 1997 led to a great reconsideration of arms deployed by police, and combined with another 1997 action, the 1033 program in the National Defense Authorization Act of Fiscal Year 1997.
I remembered this from following Radley Balko and his articles, but this was pulled from Wiki.
whoknew
Footballguy
Have you read the Rise of the Warrior Cop by Balko? Its a pretty good history of the rise of militarization.
rockaction
Footballguy
I have not read the book. I used to follow him over at Reason's Hit and Run and read him for years while he was there. I tried to link to a Post article of his just now about President Obama scaling back the militarization, but it was behind a paywall.
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Ketamine Dreams
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This is a lousy take even for this forum. Ugh. I’m surprised some of you didn’t question whether the above was a justified shooting.gianmarco said:
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
You probably wrote it.gianmarco said:
Max Power
Footballguy
I agree. I tend to lean pro-cop on judgement call situations. However, some actions by officers are clearly wrong and I'll acknowledge those as well.
I hate that we live in an age where people can overlook all the good things the police provide and respect what they deal with put on the line for the well-being of others.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I am with you. I am glad we see eye to eye on the big picture here while acknowledging different leanings can coexist. For every X number of good police work there is Y number of bad police work. I don’t have the solution to that system of equations and of course it’s not the same everywhere. What is important to me is that we always work to find the solutions, no matter where they lead us.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
And @Max Power my views on police have been mostly shaped by my uncle. He’s a now retired police officer- served 35 years in a suburb outside of Detroit. He’s also Japanese-American. His family was interned in California during WW2. He was the first and only Asian on the force in his city. I learned everything about police from him- good and bad. Maybe that gives me what some might consider a warped view but that’s not the kind of guy my uncle is. He’s as straight of a shooter as they come.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
I have family and friends who were/are cops and it would have been my second choice for a career had I not obtained my first choice. It really bothers me when people Monday morning quarterback their work without having any clue about police tactics or the use of force. They will say, "Gee, they should have shot that guy in the arm or used a Taser when he was running at them with a lethal weapon." And the race issue is still misunderstood: yes blacks are more likely to be shot by cops than whites; but do you know why? It's because they are much more likely to be involved in violent crimes than whites. And if you look at the numbers you will see that blacks are actually shot less by cops than their involvement in violent crime would predict (I've posted that multiple times here with the link). So cops are actually shooting blacks LESS than their non-black counterparts. But that isn't what the media and others projects to everyone - it's quite the opposite. And I'll repeat the link for the recent study that I had at the top of the page that is another commonly portrayed misconception about policing:
More racial diversity in U.S. police departments unlikely to reduce shootings: study
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/more-racial-diversity-in-us-police-departments-unlikely-to-reduce-shootings-study/ar-AAEIMMu?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=mailsignout
More racial diversity in U.S. police departments unlikely to reduce shootings: study
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/more-racial-diversity-in-us-police-departments-unlikely-to-reduce-shootings-study/ar-AAEIMMu?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=mailsignout
irish eyes
Footballguy
That's societies thinking today, blame everyone but the person doing wrong. That's how parents are bringing up their brat kids today as well. Just watching some of these live cop shows on tv, it's a wonder more moron criminals arent killed. Whatever police officers make, it isn't enough.
gianmarco
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ren hoek
Footballguy
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Officers melting down after cop who killed Garner was fired.
Ditkaless Wonders
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