Pwingles
Footballguy
thats fair
TE usually take awhile to develop (see Ebron) but having Luck is a game changer too. So that combined with age and I see your point. Fant and Hock will likely be decent but their near term success is prolly limited
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TE usually take awhile to develop (see Ebron) but having Luck is a game changer too. So that combined with age and I see your point. Fant and Hock will likely be decent but their near term success is prolly limited
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
I honestly think ebron over hock and fant long term is crazy talk. Both five years younger. Dynasty te premo makes it worse imoBigTex said:
the colts threw to ebron so much last year out of desperation. That shouldn’t be the case this season. Likely td regression after 13 last year as well
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Fant is still having the droppies and we don’t know who his QB will be in the future.
TJ is in Detroit who hasn’t produced a top TE since when?
Tex
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Had a feeling Damien Williams was being moved. Came up short. He went for 9,44,49 overall to a rebuilding team.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
And a healthy Doyle. Colts wr/te Corp was riddled with injuries last year
do you think ebron will match his 110 targets and 13 tds next year?
i would easily take the under on both those numbers
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
We don’t know who Ebrons qb will be in the future. He has a team option for 2020
when was the last time Detroit had a te that was as good of a football player as hock? I don’t know. Certainly before ebrons time
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
I think the number that should be more concerning for Ebron owners is snap to TD percentage. Has to be lowest in NFL. The question is why did he play so few snaps or why didn’t defenses know when he was on the field he was going to catch a pass. Do the defenses change this year on him.
the “talent” brought in brings minimal threat to his numbers.
Johnny B. Goode
Footballguy
This is why I sold
I also dont think he will have 110 targets and 13 tds. those numbers, especially TDs, arent sustainable
oddly enough, I sold him because I also have hockenson (engrams te1)
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smbkrypt24
Footballguy
I am not sure selling is the right move.
I want to know why the Colts thought Ebron should only be on the field for limited snaps, basically when he would catch a pass.
They could certainly have him on the field more, I don't know what the reason was for this, but he was incredibly productive for the snaps he played.
I would be weary, just don't think I would sell on this.
Johnny B. Goode
Footballguy
I understand, I just saw a great opportunity and a lot of uncertainty with Ebron's future in IND and targets
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Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Josh Gordon was traded for a 5th today.
Also Ian Thomas and 6th for a 3rd and 5th
Also Ian Thomas and 6th for a 3rd and 5th
He better be for Detroit's sake. But no, we don't know that, and I personally would bet against it.
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cloppbeast
Footballguy
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Over arguably the number 2/3 dynasty WR? None of those guys are close to sure things.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'm going to need to see the receipts on that one, if you can just point me where to look I'll do the legwork.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
he is a better all around football player - blocking and Im pretty sure his hands are better.....Will be a better fantasy asset? If he ever has a season like Ebrons last year with Indy....then the lions have something
The trick there is that Ebron was playing with Luck. No TE has ever thrived with Matt Stafford and this season will be closer statistically to 2018 than Stafford's glory years.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
bostonfred
Footballguy
Stafford had multiple fractures in his back last year and played through it. He had his fewest yards in the last 9 years by 500, and 700 fewer than 2017, with fewer passing touchdowns. It seems reasonable to blame that on a combination of the tate trade and him not having the zip on his fastball. A full year with the same starters, an upgraded running game and a healthy back could be a recipe for a bounce back season.
I'm not buying shares of any lions either though. Just not a team I'm interested in rooting for for fantasy even though i have always loved Stafford's toughness.
kutta
Footballguy
I'll take Brown and Hilton pretty easily seeing the 1st is watered down a bit because it's devy.
Team A got smoked here in my eyes. Brown and maybe even Hilton too, are individually worth what team A got, let alone together.
Brown>>Hilton>1st>>Ridley>>Cohen
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Sure, but prior to 2018 Luck has never had a TE with more than 8 TDs.
Ebrons 2018 receiving stats are very comparable to what he had IN Detroit, except for TDs.
So if you think Ebron repeats his TDs from last year, then sure I can see it, but Indys wr group was decimated by injuries and they literally had no one as a redzone threat. They addressed that heavily this offseason so I think Ebrons TDs come down to more around the range of 8, which is still good but probably not top 5
700-8 might be a top-5 TE. It would have been last year.
Ebron is in that so overrated, he's underrated category. Everybody knows he's going to regress from last year's numbers, but I think its an overreach to assume he's going to go back to being a 500-5 guy.
I think people are also making way to big of a deal about the snap share when before Doyle got hurt. That feels barely relevant to me. Ebron's performance(while banged up himself) last year, is very likely enough to make Doyle a backup. Also don't see Campbell(yet) or Funchess making big steps into the pecking order. I'd still bet on Ebron being 2nd in targets 2019 at least.
Zyphros
Footballguy
It's funny because in the dynasty value thread, I was asking about AB by himself and people were saying he should be worth DK Metcalf, another DK Metcalf and a future 1st. I'd take DK over Cohen and Ridley both personally. It's basically a free Hilton to me, especially considering its a devy pick.tdmills said:
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
I don’t think there’s any scenario where a healthy Doyle is a strict backup. He’s a far superior blocker and will play a significant amount of stats as a result. In addition to the tds ebron was also near the league lead in drops. I think the quality of his play last season is being overstatedtravdogg said:
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Did people miss how few snaps Ebron played once Doyle got healthy last season? That would terrify me. I'd buy him at a reasonable price if I needed a non-elite TE to flex, but I don't consider 1.04 to be reasonable, even in this class. Especially if I already had those TE's.
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
Got rid of some dead weight...
Gave Rosen
Got Daniel Jones
Jones can't be much worse than Rosen long term
Gave Rosen
Got Daniel Jones
Jones can't be much worse than Rosen long term
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
I’m in Dynasty, Doyle will be gone after this year. I’m not the least bit concerned about Ebron’s Value, short or long term. I have two spots available at that position. I got one of the vets I wanted then i’ll get one of the rooks later but I’m happy with the trade.
Tex
bostonfred
Footballguy
I'll easily take the guy the giants traded up for in the first over the guy the dolphins traded down for in the second.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Expensive Ebron/Cheap Fuller
Herndon should produce most of what Ebron does and Fuller should still have an amazing ceiling.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
that's like me when I tried to trade ebron. ended up trading ebron and flipping that player for what I was asking in deals with ebron
Meh, I'd rather have Rosen, and maybe by a decent amount. I think Jones was an awful pick, the 2nd worst in the draft after Abram, he went 2 full rounds earlier than he should have.
Rosen was in a harder situation than any QB in the league, and as hard as any rookie in years. Rosen was a much better prospect, and 1 year isn't enough to erase that for me. Miami seems like they at least have a plan, which is more than I can say for the Giants, despite the Giants having a better supporting cast in 2019. I also expect Rosen to see the field sooner.
Ultimately, this deal is probably irrelevant, but I feel Jones can certainly be much worse than Rosen long term.
Man, that is a toss up. Sign of a very fair deal. I guess I'd lean ever so slightly toward Fuller.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Everyone seems to think Mack is replaceable, but Indy not only passed up in the 2019 draft but also with FA; they could have had Bell. IMO this is a huge vote of confidence for Mack.
Detroit is going to run the ball more, and Hockenson may develop into a large redzone target. I view Golladay as a sell high right now.
I'll take Mack
Zyphros
Footballguy
Doesn't mean they will do it again in 2020 when the RB class is supposedly stacked, especially if he doesn't live up to expectations. Either way I think both guys (Mack and Golladay) are pretty even and each carry some risk, I'd take my chances with Golladay though.
Zyphros
Footballguy
First Goedert deal I've seen. FFPC league - not involved.
Goedert
for
Irv Smith Jr, 2020 1st (probably a playoff team)
Personally I don't want to buy Goedert. His price won't match his production. I love the player, but his high price isn't worth what he's likely to do this year. He's a long term play, and it makes more sense for rebuild teams to buy him, but then again it doesn't because of the high price it could end up a crippling move.
Goedert
for
Irv Smith Jr, 2020 1st (probably a playoff team)
Personally I don't want to buy Goedert. His price won't match his production. I love the player, but his high price isn't worth what he's likely to do this year. He's a long term play, and it makes more sense for rebuild teams to buy him, but then again it doesn't because of the high price it could end up a crippling move.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Not even if Ertz dropped dead today would I think that's a good deal.
kutta
Footballguy
Jones easily for me. But I’m super down on Rosen and wouldn’t have him on my roster if he was free.
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
I can understand that position on Rosen even though I dont agree with it, but I feel that same way about Jones personally. If he goes undrafted in my league, I dont think I would cut anyone at the bottom of my roster (David Moore, Jake Kumerow) for him.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I appreciate the opinion and wish I could say I agree.
I think chances are very high that Miami drafts a qb in 2020 so i dont see Rosen being much more than a Nick Foles type that might get his shot one day. Nobody got time for that
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
PPR
Boyd, Hooper, 4th, 2020 4th and 5th
1.5, Wentz, Ian Thomas, 2020 2nd and 3rd.
First Four Draft Picks (Jacobs, Henderson, Murray, Harry)
Boyd, Hooper, 4th, 2020 4th and 5th
1.5, Wentz, Ian Thomas, 2020 2nd and 3rd.
First Four Draft Picks (Jacobs, Henderson, Murray, Harry)
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
