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1 minute ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

I think with the numbers you describe it would make sense to give it to one of those other candidates.  I still think it would be divisive.

If the numbers are more like 45% for Bernie it becomes a little less defensible.

Sure. There does seem to be a lot of options in the middle, though.
IMHO I think Bernie got a lot of "Not Hillary" votes last time around that go elsewhere this year. That seems to jive with the percentages he's been getting so far. 

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8 minutes ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

I don’t know that it’s entirely fair.  

The rules back then were “whoever wins the majority of pledged delegates and superdelegates wins.”

The rules now (on the first ballot at least) are “whoever wins the majority of pledged delegates wins.”

It also seems very different to me because in 2016 it was a two candidate race so nobody was concerned with the issue we’re faced with today.  It seems to me like Bernie wasn’t even really talking about the same thing in 2016 and today.

Early 2016, he used the superdelegate boogeyman to rally his base. Overlooking the fact that HRC had a 3-1 advantage over Obama prior to Iowa 2008 and then the supers shifted to him when he started winning. That’s just how it always worked. 
 

Spring 2016 he’s arguing for super delegates to abandon HRC and move to him since it’s the only way to win the nomination at that point. As you point out, within the rules as they were structured at the time.

But if the rules are the rules Bernie needs to get to 50.1% on first ballot at the convention. If he does not, all other candidates will just be playing by the rules as established. 
 

He plays the game is all I’m saying.

 

All that said, if he gets close to a 40%+ plurality of pledged he MUST be the nominee otherwise the Dem Party burns to the ground. Hopefully, everyone is smart enough to see that. 
 

 

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Roger Waters officially onboard.

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/482913-roger-waters-tears-into-trump-calls-him-a-mass-destroyer-and
 

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Waters responded by taking a shot at Trump while also saying he thinks Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is the only person running for the Democratic nomination that can unseat the president.

“Funnily enough, they are [connecting to that message], but unfortunately not f---ing here,” Waters responded. “Because if they were, you wouldn’t have Donald Trump as a president, you wouldn’t be having all this nonsense with the Democratic primaries, with them trying to destroy the only candidate who can possibly win against Donald Trump, Sanders.”

 

If Gilmour came out and committed to a Floyd reunion/tour on the condition Bernie must win the election in order for that to happen we could lock this thing up right away.

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33 minutes ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:
36 minutes ago, msommer said:

Lets say that 70% vote for three candidates who are close to indistinguishable on positions, none getting more than 29% and Sanders gets 30% 

Why is it preferable to give Sanders the nomination than one of the indistinguishables?

I think with the numbers you describe it would make sense to give it to one of those other candidates.  I still think it would be divisive.

If the numbers are more like 45% for Bernie it becomes a little less defensible.

I heard the interview last night. Hayes stipulated that the person would be in the lead by 50-100 delegates.

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CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC HOST: I had David Plouffe on the phone the other night. He said whoever has a plurality of delegates, say 50 to 100, going into the convention the party as a political and moral matter has to give the nomination to the person with the plurality of delegates going to the convention. I'm curious if you agree now from the veil of ignorance as a principle, would you agree that whoever goes in would say a plurality of delegates, 50 or 100, that should be the nominee

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (D-VT): I think in general what Plouffe said is right. You have to take a look at the nature of the campaign and a whole lot of factors in the campaign we don't know yet. In general, I think it is a fair statement to say it would be very divisive... The convention would have to explain to the American people, hey, candidate X kind of got the most votes and won the most delegates in the primary process but we're not going to give him or her the nomination. I think that would be a very divisive moment for the Democratic party.

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Just now, Mystery Achiever said:

Here's the full exchange:
CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC HOST: I had David Plouffe on the phone the other night. He said whoever has a plurality of delegates, say 50 to 100, going into the convention the party as a political and moral matter has to give the nomination to the person with the plurality of delegates going to the convention. I'm curious if you agree now from the veil of ignorance as a principle, would you agree that whoever goes in would say a plurality of delegates, 50 or 100, that should be the nominee

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (D-VT): I think in general what Plouffe said is right. You have to take a look at the nature of the campaign and a whole lot of factors in the campaign we don't know yet. In general, I think it is a fair statement to say it would be very divisive... The convention would have to explain to the American people, hey, candidate X kind of got the most votes and won the most delegates in the primary process but we're not going to give him or her the nomination. I think that would be a very divisive moment for the Democratic party.

Thanks.  I don't see anything objectionable here.

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Briahna Gray recently sat down for an interview with PRIMO NUTMEG (Steve), who I'm a Patreon subscriber of, and I got to submit a question.  It's cool to see a question of yours posed to a campaign surrogate in the real world.  This was my question:

Hey Stevo. I would really appreciate it if you can, to get their position on Assange. Sanders kind of demurred about the issue when asked by Dack Rouleau.

youtu.be/yQBZQnH49zo

You can tell them Dan from Louisville asked, she is doing phenomenal work on their campaign. Thanks, -Dan/Ren

Here was her response.  Not a great answer here; the shrug and sighing would seem to indicate she views the question as a chore or 'landmine' rather than something the campaign has considered very carefully.  She moves on to say Sanders has been consistent on the rights of journalists etc, which isn't exactly a bold response.  Contrast her response on this question to Jeremy Corbyn's.  It frightens me, that after years of Russia hysteria and sliming Wikileaks as agents of Trump/Putin, this issue is such a taboo in this country.  

But to be fair, I think her focus is more on socioeconomic justice and domestic issues than national security so to speak.  Gray is an elegant writer and passionate politico so I don't begrudge her too much for it.  Probably not everyone's wheelhouse around here but figured I'd share 🤷‍♂️.

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4 hours ago, Nipsey said:

Roger Waters officially onboard.

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/482913-roger-waters-tears-into-trump-calls-him-a-mass-destroyer-and
 

If Gilmour came out and committed to a Floyd reunion/tour on the condition Bernie must win the election in order for that to happen we could lock this thing up right away.

Email just sent to info@davidgilmour.com stating the above....

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5 hours ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

The DNC changed the superdelegate rules in the past four years, I think that’s a partial explanation.  But more importantly, do you guys disagree with Sanders that it would be “divisive” if Sanders had the most delegates but wasn’t the nominee?  It seems pretty obviously true to me.

It would be divisive either way.

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This year I was hoping to limit my political contributions to senate candidates, but with Bloomberg on the rise, I kicked the Bern 20 bucks this morning. Let's do this.

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20 hours ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

I think with the numbers you describe it would make sense to give it to one of those other candidates.  I still think it would be divisive.

If the numbers are more like 45% for Bernie it becomes a little less defensible.

If Sanders is ahead in delegates or total votes, even if by 1, and does not receive the nomination, whoever does get the nomination will lose to Trump. On more left forums there is already the concern that the DNC and media are intentionally trying to sink Sanders campaign, and there will be plenty of hurt feelings about it. I mean, if he is behind in delegates or whatever there will still be supporters who stay home, but if it appears to be "stolen" from him, I think it will be significantly more widespread. Pretty much any scenario with a brokered convention drops the democratic nominees chance at winning significantly. 

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20 hours ago, Nipsey said:

Roger Waters officially onboard.

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/482913-roger-waters-tears-into-trump-calls-him-a-mass-destroyer-and
 

If Gilmour came out and committed to a Floyd reunion/tour on the condition Bernie must win the election in order for that to happen we could lock this thing up right away.

Yeah....I'd switch back to the Bern for that one :lol: 

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13 minutes ago, huthut said:

If Sanders is ahead in delegates or total votes, even if by 1, and does not receive the nomination, whoever does get the nomination will lose to Trump. On more left forums there is already the concern that the DNC and media are intentionally trying to sink Sanders campaign, and there will be plenty of hurt feelings about it. I mean, if he is behind in delegates or whatever there will still be supporters who stay home, but if it appears to be "stolen" from him, I think it will be significantly more widespread. Pretty much any scenario with a brokered convention drops the democratic nominees chance at winning significantly. 

That's basically where I am... If he loses and it seems mostly straight up then I'm fine with it, we gave it a great shot. If he has a good lead and they go elsewhere I'm going to be pretty upset about it

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Prediction: Bernie gets jobbed (again) in Nevada.

Bonus prediction: The job is pretty obvious and backfires nationally.

As much as I hate caucuses, they're at least somewhat transparent, and folks are gonna be tweeting precinct result unofficially.

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11 hours ago, NorvilleBarnes said:

Prediction: Bernie gets jobbed (again) in Nevada.

Bonus prediction: The job is pretty obvious and backfires nationally.

As much as I hate caucuses, they're at least somewhat transparent, and folks are gonna be tweeting precinct result unofficially.

I agree... caucuses are kinda dumb in general but at least the Bernie (and other campaigns) can just take a picture of everyone voting for reference. In the black box of voting machines who knows whats going on. Exit polls only show so much

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7 hours ago, kodycutter said:

Including these two  Video of fight between two attendees.

 

One was a "boo'er" wearing a Black Guns Matter shirt and shoved a guy recording.

More than just an attendee.

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Bernie picked up an endorsement from Bill DeBlasio. That should just about do it. Everyone else can go home now.

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More than 17,000 attendees packed into the Tacoma Dome to see Bernie Sanders in Washington state.  

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Looking like it’s Bernie’s to lose. Crazy that Trump is openly rooting for him to win. Practically begging for him to be the nom. 

Don’t #### this up dude. 

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52 minutes ago, The General said:

Looking like it’s Bernie’s to lose. Crazy that Trump is openly rooting for him to win. Practically begging for him to be the nom. 

Don’t #### this up dude. 

Why wouldn't Trump want the DNC on his side?  

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23 minutes ago, The General said:

FOX begging for a Sanders nom as well

They would love it if Sanders gets the nom. Would really love it if he won the WH. 

Makes it much easier to script their shows. Just insert the word "socialist" into every second sentence .

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13 minutes ago, Leroy Hoard said:

Makes it much easier to script their shows. Just insert the word "socialist" into every second sentence .

Yup. Hannity probably donating to the Bern 2020 fund.

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23 minutes ago, Max Power said:

Why wouldn't Trump want the DNC on his side?  

Bernie Bros better pause their hacky sack game and back up all their talk in November. 

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Crazed Sanders rally attendee go nuts on guy wearing 'Black Guns Matter'. 

Another video provided to CBS4 by an anonymous viewer shows the moments leading up to the brawl. It allegedly shows Tyler, in a jeans jackets, and another man arguing about the man’s shirt. That man with the “Black Guns Matter” shirt also contacted CBS4, although anonymously. He called Tyler the aggressor and said he is African American.

“He had a problem with the shirt I was wearing,” this man said. “I was recording the event, he walks up and calls me a racist. But I thought, ‘What’s he know about black lives, about discrimination, or, for that matter, the representation of the shirt.'”

Throughout American history, the man continued, “Black people and their ability to own firearms has historically been very restricted. The shirt I got from a conceal-carry class.”

 

He said he agrees with Sanders on a number of policies but definitely not on gun ownership.

I think it’s really a sad thing at a Bernie rally, when someone has a difference of opinion, that someone would be treated like that. I thought it really would be a lot more inclusive than that. It’s not a safe place to express differences. I would expect that sort of thing at a Trump rally.

That's SOP. Dude needs to come join the peaceful Trump rallies.

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15 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Crazed Sanders rally attendee go nuts on guy wearing 'Black Guns Matter'. 

Another video provided to CBS4 by an anonymous viewer shows the moments leading up to the brawl. It allegedly shows Tyler, in a jeans jackets, and another man arguing about the man’s shirt. That man with the “Black Guns Matter” shirt also contacted CBS4, although anonymously. He called Tyler the aggressor and said he is African American.

“He had a problem with the shirt I was wearing,” this man said. “I was recording the event, he walks up and calls me a racist. But I thought, ‘What’s he know about black lives, about discrimination, or, for that matter, the representation of the shirt.'”

Throughout American history, the man continued, “Black people and their ability to own firearms has historically been very restricted. The shirt I got from a conceal-carry class.”

 

He said he agrees with Sanders on a number of policies but definitely not on gun ownership.

I think it’s really a sad thing at a Bernie rally, when someone has a difference of opinion, that someone would be treated like that. I thought it really would be a lot more inclusive than that. It’s not a safe place to express differences. I would expect that sort of thing at a Trump rally.

That's SOP. Dude needs to come join the peaceful Trump rallies.

LIES.

The Black Guns Matter guy pushed (got physical with) someone recording... he responded.

:thumbup:

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33 minutes ago, lod001 said:

 

 an anonymous viewer

Also, that video was 10 seconds longer when originally released online, showing the initial push moments after it happened.  It's been edited down.   :yes:

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20 minutes ago, BigSteelThrill said:

LIES.

The Black Guns Matter guy pushed (got physical with) someone recording... he responded.

:thumbup:

 

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Another video provided to CBS4 by an anonymous viewer shows the moments leading up to the brawl. It allegedly shows Tyler, in a jeans jackets, and another man arguing about the man’s shirt. That man with the “Black Guns Matter” shirt also contacted CBS4, although anonymously. He called Tyler the aggressor and said he is African American.

“He had a problem with the shirt I was wearing,” this man said. “I was recording the event, he walks up and calls me a racist. But I thought, ‘What’s he know about black lives, about discrimination, or, for that matter, the representation of the shirt.'”

Throughout American history, the man continued, “Black people and their ability to own firearms has historically been very restricted. The shirt I got from a conceal-carry class.”

He said he agrees with Sanders on a number of policies but definitely not on gun ownership.

“I think it’s really a sad thing at a Bernie rally, when someone has a difference of opinion, that someone would be treated like that. I thought it really would be a lot more inclusive than that. It’s not a safe place to express differences. I would expect that sort of thing at a Trump rally.”

 

 

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6 minutes ago, BigSteelThrill said:

Also, that video was 10 seconds longer when originally released online, showing the initial push moments after it happened.  It's been edited down.   :yes:

I double posted I see. If you got a link to the second video please post it. Or to any of your claims, it would be helpful. 

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Yeah that video is online to see as well. The white guy is holding a phone with BOTH hands. Leans over and points at a girl who said he couldn't talk who is with the Black Guns guy. Then you can hear the white guy say say... "the shirts racist"...  scuffle happens WHILE HE STILL HOLDING UP  PHONE WITH ONE HAND.

The Black Guns Matters calls the other guys " you are f-wording re--tarded".  You can also see the other Black Guns guy (holding recorder, as he knows whats going down) getting closer and leaning into the white guy. The white guy even calls the black guns guy on his anger.

 

@FBG Moderator*pardon my work-around of the language filter, it s very poignant to the discussion topic. 

 

Another guy (black guy) is holding the camera

You can see it at 6:34 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob5GScYDV54

He has his left hand outstretched with phone recording Bernie. Right hand outstretched to girl.  The physicality hits him when he is in an awful position.

 

Oh yeah, he definitely gets hit/pushed.   Look at his cringe/retreat from the altercation right at 6:37.

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53 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Crazed Sanders rally attendee go nuts on guy wearing 'Black Guns Matter'. 

Another video provided to CBS4 by an anonymous viewer shows the moments leading up to the brawl. It allegedly shows Tyler, in a jeans jackets, and another man arguing about the man’s shirt. That man with the “Black Guns Matter” shirt also contacted CBS4, although anonymously. He called Tyler the aggressor and said he is African American.

“He had a problem with the shirt I was wearing,” this man said. “I was recording the event, he walks up and calls me a racist. But I thought, ‘What’s he know about black lives, about discrimination, or, for that matter, the representation of the shirt.'”

Throughout American history, the man continued, “Black people and their ability to own firearms has historically been very restricted. The shirt I got from a conceal-carry class.”

 

He said he agrees with Sanders on a number of policies but definitely not on gun ownership.

I think it’s really a sad thing at a Bernie rally, when someone has a difference of opinion, that someone would be treated like that. I thought it really would be a lot more inclusive than that. It’s not a safe place to express differences. I would expect that sort of thing at a Trump rally.

That's SOP. Dude needs to come join the peaceful Trump rallies.

Trump usually on stage telling the crowd to rough em up a little on the way out. 

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1 hour ago, The General said:

Bernie Bros better pause their hacky sack game and back up all their talk in November. 

I think he leads at the convention but i don't think the DNC lets it happen

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Just now, KiddLattimer said:

I think he leads at the convention but i don't think the DNC lets it happen

Again.

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58 minutes ago, tonydead said:

I double posted I see. If you got a link to the second video please post it. Or to any of your claims, it would be helpful. 

It was in the original link kodycutter posted that I responded too. It has since been changed/edited.

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Oh yeah... look at the original link at the end (:20) ... look at the (red head) girl with the Black Guns guy and how she is smiling and happy about the altercation. Even though the guy she is with gets wrapped up and taken down.

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/02/17/video-fight-bernie-sanders-rally-denver/

►►► He taps her.  Says something.  ("got it?")???*

►►►  She tap's him approvingly. SHE SAYS... "NICE." 

The three of them move on.

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39 minutes ago, BigSteelThrill said:

Oh yeah... look at the original link at the end (:20) ... look at the (red head) girl with the Black Guns guy and how she is smiling and happy about the altercation. Even though the guy she is with gets wrapped up and taken down.

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/02/17/video-fight-bernie-sanders-rally-denver/

►►► He taps her.  Says something.  ("got it?")???*

►►►  She tap's him approvingly. SHE SAYS... "NICE." 

The three of them move on.

Not going to do the investigative work you're doing so I will have to take your word for it. It just seems less likely that a black guy, non-Bernie supporter, staged this whole thing for some reason rather than two dudes attending a Bernie rally had a disagreement. 

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15 hours ago, tonydead said:

Not going to do the investigative work you're doing so I will have to take your word for it. It just seems less likely that a black guy, non-Bernie supporter, staged this whole thing for some reason rather than two dudes attending a Bernie rally had a disagreement. 

It doesn’t look staged.  Just looks like a couple of meatheads brawling and then getting props from their companions.  Pretty standard young adult idiot stuff.

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2 hours ago, The General said:

I feel like his comms team is a net negative for the campaign—their shtick isn’t very attractive to anyone who’s not already a Bernie supporter. I am a Bernie supporter and I’ve muted Gray & Sirota on twitter. The constant, unnecessary belligerence gets old.

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All records means all records.  Like evidence if this dude is going out in public with a possible loaded "gun", or if it blanks.  We need to know these things.

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