culdeus
Footballguy
Corn has sucrose in raw form. The fructose they make syrup out of is not what you get your calories from eating a cob.
As it is it's pretty minor content. This probably goes back their net carb philosophy in zeroeing it
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As it is it's pretty minor content. This probably goes back their net carb philosophy in zeroeing it
culdeus
Footballguy
Well I'm trying to mini-max their blue plan then. Had no idea. Trying to get to 185 from 171 without looking like I did the last time I hit 185.
krista4
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
For anyone interested in swimming, I bought a Delphin Hydroactive today.
While (imo) swimming is the best cardio activity, swimming laps gets real boring and music is a must. Unfortunately, bluetooth and underwater streaming don't go together, making listening to music while swimming much harder. This device is like a miniature ipod shuffle that I can use my Amazon Music on, download a playlist, and swim (it's a miniature waterproof tablet). As opposed to an MP3 player, I can update the playlists easily with wifi. I'm pretty excited to see if it works as advertised.
I'll provide a review in a week or two.
While (imo) swimming is the best cardio activity, swimming laps gets real boring and music is a must. Unfortunately, bluetooth and underwater streaming don't go together, making listening to music while swimming much harder. This device is like a miniature ipod shuffle that I can use my Amazon Music on, download a playlist, and swim (it's a miniature waterproof tablet). As opposed to an MP3 player, I can update the playlists easily with wifi. I'm pretty excited to see if it works as advertised.
I'll provide a review in a week or two.
culdeus
Footballguy
Well I asked about potato because I was curious where they were curve fitting them in.
https://optimisingnutrition.com/2018/10/09/calculating-satiety/
This isn't the best Ted talk on the topic, but does have pretty pictures to share and shows why they would 0 point potatoes if all in on this concept.
I still feel like this is more appropriate for a lean bulk than a cut, but I certainly cut on high SI foods also, but kept to a very tight macro range.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Whoa there Nelly, I didn't say that it is scammy or fake science. I said that converting calories to points seems scammy and seems like fake science when i heard about it so I wanted to learn more about it.krista4 said:As a last point, it seems odd for you to say you’re not “crapping on” WW when your first post from yesterday stated you think it’s “scammy” and “fake science.”
I had always been under the impression that points had a nearly one to one ratio with calories where a point was about 50-75 calories. Your example with ground beef worked out to about that ratio too.
But it sounds like there's more to it than calories with satiety and fat content and so on. That's the special sauce I was asking about. And I totally get that people want to use whatever has been successful for them in the past. It makes a little more sense now.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Still waiting on my official starting weigh-in. It was a bad (yet glorious) two weeks.MAC_32 said:
culdeus
Footballguy
I mean this satiety thing goes a really long way to unifying the Taubes/Guanyet schools of thought.
I do worry it's a little too much curve fitting to try and find a compromise between the two major schools of thought from the past decade.
Taubes has side stepped the idea that fat+carbs in isolation is the problem, when it was easily the most simple explanation possible for his data. So I don't expect him to buy into this, he's also never had an answer to the potato/tuber monodiets which SI does a great job of explaining.
I do worry it's a little too much curve fitting to try and find a compromise between the two major schools of thought from the past decade.
Taubes has side stepped the idea that fat+carbs in isolation is the problem, when it was easily the most simple explanation possible for his data. So I don't expect him to buy into this, he's also never had an answer to the potato/tuber monodiets which SI does a great job of explaining.
belljr
Footballguy
yeah it is more to it than one to one
For example - the cream I put in my coffee - 1 serving on WW is 2 points.
In real life its. 35 calories but has sugars...
I used to be able to calculate WW points based off nutritional values before their new system....
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
<gross dude joke>
Have you seen that stuff in your poop - it comes out whole, zero points sounds right
krista4
Footballguy
Gotcha.
Apologies for misunderstanding.As you’ve realized, there’s not a ratio like that, and it’s more complex. I’ve had a couple of instances where what I wanted to track wasn’t on the app or scanner, but I had the nutritional info. When entering that in manually, you can more easily see how the variables interplay.
ragincajun
Footballguy
ragincajun
Footballguy
A few examples. I get 50 points or so a day. I had a quest protein bar for breakfast and it was 5 points. My coffee with mini-moo’s and Splenda is 1 point.
krista4
Footballguy
For the first couple of months the probiotic gummies I took in the morning accounted for a point! But they only had 10 calories. When I ran out, I got tablets to save me that point. When you only get 23 a day, every point is sacred. (Cue Monty Python.)
eaganwildcats
Footballguy
Jan 6: 10,269eaganwildcats said:
Jan Total: 62,345
Oracle
Footballguy
Weight 01/06/2020- 134.3
Would like to be between 125lbs to 130lbs by March 1. Eased back into the gym today with 1 hr of moderate cardio and will increase cardio intensity and add weights into the equation within the next week. Restricting alcohol to a couple of glasses of wine a week and am back to biggest meal at lunchtime and smallest meal at dinner time (if I’m hungry). Need accountability, so will post weigh in weekly.
Would like to be between 125lbs to 130lbs by March 1. Eased back into the gym today with 1 hr of moderate cardio and will increase cardio intensity and add weights into the equation within the next week. Restricting alcohol to a couple of glasses of wine a week and am back to biggest meal at lunchtime and smallest meal at dinner time (if I’m hungry). Need accountability, so will post weigh in weekly.
culdeus
Footballguy
belljr
Footballguy
NTTAWWT yes?
I don't know what you are actually asking..is there like a friends thing?
I honestly dont know ..just asking
Oracle
Footballguy
belljr
Footballguy
no i totally believe there is some truth to this lol...Conspiracy Theory Time
WW needed a new and difficult to decode point system to fight all the free apps out there that cloned their point system so easily.
WW does provide support groups and meetings and counseling taht some people really need to succeed. I have no issue with that part of it.
But before if you knew the formula it was super easy to calculate how many points you needed daily and HOW to calculate points for an item based on nutritional value...
I do think they have changed some things because of more studies and science and made their product better but I wouldnt be surprised if your statement isn't partially true
bostonfred
Footballguy
Lol you have a better chance of getting me to go full bale vegan potato hack intermittent mcnugget fasting rowtis than counting my vitamins as 5 percent of my daily food. I can't even imagine the anger you had chewing those gummies every morning to save you the $12.99 it would have cost you to flush them down the toilet.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
krista4
Footballguy
I thought it was hilarious, not anger-inducing. It was about a week before I realized I should be counting them, and then it struck me as funny that I’d been so meticulous about every bit of food I ate but these stupid things were costing me a point a day.
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urbanhack
Fight The Power!
bostonfred
Footballguy
Otis
Footballguy
eaganwildcats
Footballguy
bostonfred
Footballguy
Otis
Footballguy
Rowtis Stats
Jan 7 Row: 1 hour row - 1257m; Burned 761 calories, Avg HR 128, max 165
January total: 55,101m
Woke up a little tired, a little sore, and thinking I maybe should have a rest day. Instead just got on and went for a nice relaxed pace row, and ended up going a full hour. I always feel better the rest of the day when I've exercised in the morning, so just want to keep it going.
Jan 7 Row: 1 hour row - 1257m; Burned 761 calories, Avg HR 128, max 165
January total: 55,101m
Woke up a little tired, a little sore, and thinking I maybe should have a rest day. Instead just got on and went for a nice relaxed pace row, and ended up going a full hour. I always feel better the rest of the day when I've exercised in the morning, so just want to keep it going.
culdeus
Footballguy
eaganwildcats
Footballguy
Jan 7: 6960 - meant to do 2x30 but got distracted during the break so 1x30 it is....for now at least.
Jan Total: 69,305
gianmarco
Footballguy
Watching you crank out an hour of exercise like that.....good stuff.
Same way things can cycle downwards, you can do the reverse. You exercise more, eat better, drink less, it all makes accomplishing each of those things easier. You feel better when you eat less and drink less which allows you to exercise more which makes you feel better and then sleep better which makes you want to drink less and eat less, etc.
Now just remember that nothing in your life has changed schedule wise or work wise and yet you have the time to do these things. It's all a matter of prioritization. No reason you can't keep it up as a lifestyle change except for excuses you want to come up with.
Good luck.
The Iguana
Footballguy
As an FYI... I have refocused over the last couple of weeks - got my eating back in line and starting to up the mileage. Time to me to push for 185, IMO...
gianmarco
Footballguy
I haven't weighed in a while and was horrified this morning. Didn't realize it was that bad. I'm now closer to 200 than 190. Changes coming my way as well.....
The Iguana
Footballguy
I have continued to weigh in regularly but that didn't stop me from stuffing all the cookies in my face. Low mark was about 191/192 a couple weeks pre-Monumental. Was back up to about 203 just before New Year's. But back on it now.
Otis
Footballguy
Thanks. Not to pre-make excuses, but I’ve taken advantage of not traveling and being at home on a schedule. Hopefully I can carry that momentum forward through more challenging circumstances (being on the road, being out at business dinners, etc.)
MAC_32
Footballguy
This is where I think you will experience the benefits of vigorous exercise vs prior attempts. You're not disciplined enough to do this the diet only way. I don't mean that as a criticism. It's just reality. I know for I am the same. Out of structure will be a step back, but by sustaining exercise it will just me one stair instead of tumbling all the way down to the bottom. Then when you get back in structure you'll be a week from being back on schedule instead of staring at square one again.
Otis
Footballguy
bostonfred
Footballguy
Traveling alone for work is the easiest time to exercise
And eating healthy isn't nearly as difficult as you think.
The hotel almost certainly offers a bowl of oatmeal with fresh berries or a yogurt. If the company's paying, have an egg white omelette with light cheese and vegetables.
And that business dinner with clients can be salmon with vegetables, or scallops, or chicken, or shrimp, or even a lighter cut of steak. It's the bread, sides, appetizers, drinks and desserts that get you in trouble.
If you've got business lunches, keep your dinners small and just have coffee and a little fruit for breakfast.
It's not that you can't do it, it's that you haven't gotten used to holding yourself accountable to your diet when you're traveling.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Where do we stand on protein shakes after strength training for fat loss? I've always done it with the idea of trying to walk the tightrope of gaining or at least not losing muscle and losing fat at the same time (which I've done somewhat successfully in the past) but read something recently suggesting that if you have a lot of excess fat, you might be best having your body just chew into those stores first (once glycogen is depleted) rather than throwing protein in the mix immediately. That seems to be from a keto perspective and I am definitely not a keto guy but there does seem to be some logic there... on the other hand is there really enough there to really fuel muscle growth?... on the other hand, I do have my share of excess fat.
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MAC_32
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
The vast majority of people don't workout long enough to deplete their glycogen stores. I'm unfamiliar with the science behind post workout protein shakes stimulating fat loss, but I think post workout fueling is primarily to trigger the recovery process so your body is best prepared for the next workout. High level, I'd just prioritize muscle growth or fat loss. I don't know if it's impossible to do both, but it is very difficult. You can alternate, cycle in one for a couple months then switch, but both simultaneously?
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Either way I'm still going to do strength training as part of the fat loss and see no consensus at all on whether it's going to be more helpful or harmful to that cause to have a protein shake afterwards.
MAC_32
Footballguy
In a vacuum there is nothing harmful about strength training and protein shakes, but if your priority is fat loss then the picture is substantially bigger than what you consume post workout.
