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*** Official Pete Buttigieg Thread *** (3 Viewers)

Sinn Fein said:
Pete (and Chasten) gets a Time Cover and story. 

http://time.com/longform/pete-buttigieg-2020/
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Really good article...this stood out 

 “This idea that we just sort people into baskets of good and evil ignores the central fact of human existence, which is that each of us is a basket of good and evil,” he says. “The job of politics is to summon the good and beat back the evil.”
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Also this on policy...

“Every good policy that I’ve developed in my administration happened not because I cooked it up on the campaign, kept the promise intact and then delivered it,” he says, “but because I stated a priority in one of my campaigns, ­interacted with my legislative body and my community, and developed something that really served people well.”
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“Every good policy that I’ve developed in my administration happened not because I cooked it up on the campaign, kept the promise intact and then delivered it,” he says, “but because I stated a priority in one of my campaigns, ­interacted with my legislative body and my community, and developed something that really served people well.”
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I know that's not exactly what he's saying but undecided voters hear: "Don't worry that I'm not saying what I'm going to do. Just trust me to do good things once I'm elected".

 
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Joe Bryant said:
I know that's not exactly what he's saying but undecided voters hear: "Don't worry that I'm not saying what I'm going to do. Just trust me to do good things once I'm in".
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If he does this on every issue and fails to give an opinion on where he stands over and over, then I agree with you. But it's refreshing to hear a guy say he doesn't have all the answers and proclaim going in that he will be working with others to figure out what's best for the country.  Like I said a week or so ago, Buttigieg is a mayor, not a senator or congressman. He hasn't played any role in many of the issues he's being asked about and rather than have some campaign strategist tell him where he should stand, he's being honest when he still needs time to look further into an issue. I think it's one of the reasons he continues to rise in the polls. People hear him talk and he's trustworthy. Not some calculated politician reading from a script.

 
JuniorNB said:
If he does this on every issue and fails to give an opinion on where he stands over and over, then I agree with you. But it's refreshing to hear a guy say he doesn't have all the answers and proclaim going in that he will be working with others to figure out what's best for the country.  Like I said a week or so ago, Buttigieg is a mayor, not a senator or congressman. He hasn't played any role in many of the issues he's being asked about and rather than have some campaign strategist tell him where he should stand, he's being honest when he still needs time to look further into an issue. I think it's one of the reasons he continues to rise in the polls. People hear him talk and he's trustworthy. Not some calculated politician reading from a script.
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That's a good point. It can be seen as a sign of strength to say "I don't know" or to apologize. But it can't be for everything. 

I'm just saying I wouldn't tout that line as a positive on its own.

 
When do primary debates happen?  I get the desire for policy talk, I’d like that too, but it seems the slow play here is the correct move.  He’s effectively new on the national stage, use the introduction phase simply to connect and make the public comfortable with you; build your persona with everyone.  Once that’s accomplished, then start rolling out the more concrete stances and desired methods of legislatively accomplishing them.

 
That one guy said:
When do primary debates happen?  I get the desire for policy talk, I’d like that too, but it seems the slow play here is the correct move.  He’s effectively new on the national stage, use the introduction phase simply to connect and make the public comfortable with you; build your persona with everyone.  Once that’s accomplished, then start rolling out the more concrete stances and desired methods of legislatively accomplishing them.
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I agree. 

 
Mayor Pete announced right from the start that he was leading with his values. As i've stated - until da Bootyjudge made the scene, i had given up on American politics, was thoroughly convinced that real govt solutions were impossible as long as money qualified as speech, that this country indeed had the President it deserved and that the whole thing would crash in our lifetimes.

As i have shouted into the wind from the start on these boards, EVERYTHING IS MORAL (it's just that morality is wrongly determined & administered) and popular decisions don't work because of the populace, not the politicians. For all the science we've applied to living, none of it has been spent on our institutions. There are formulas which can and should be being developed, but economics is in the pocket of finance, so we do not have the models for the steps to take between capitalism and socialism for new age solutions.

Buttigieg brought my interest back into the fold simply because he made the case that he cared, had the talent for the job and preferred making stands over taking sides. That's not the raging reformist an old revolutionary like me would prefer, but he let me know who he is before he bragged on his accomplishments or announced a startling vision for America like everyone else has promised and no one has delivered. His first act has been to invite the dispossessed - from Trump voters to folks who need trigger warnings - into the tent to see if and how we can get along, and that is a POLICY more revolutionary and necessary than anything since Morning in America. I already know who da Bootyjudge is because of that and dont need to know more to support him in this ridiculous time.

 
wikkidpissah said:
His first act has been to invite the dispossessed - from Trump voters to folks who need trigger warnings - into the tent to see if and how we can get along, and that is a POLICY more revolutionary and necessary than anything since Morning in America. I already know who da Bootyjudge is because of that and dont need to know more to support him in this ridiculous time.
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Just inviting everyone in to see if and how we can get along is all you need to know from a candidate?

 
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Joe Bryant said:
Just inviting everyone in to see if and how we can get along is all you need to know from a candidate?
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For now, yes. That's a pretty remarkable step, especially when all the other parvenus - most of whom have already established themselves as part of the problem - are huckstering. 

 
Joe Bryant said:
I know that's not exactly what he's saying but undecided voters hear: "Don't worry that I'm not saying what I'm going to do. Just trust me to do good things once I'm elected".
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I’ve said for years on this board I will vote for any candidate whom I believe is intelligent, honest, open-minded, and genuinely wants to help people. 

I see no reason to change that policy now. 

 
Henry Ford said:
Interesting. Why do you say that’s the other end of the spectrum?
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Its as simple as black and white.  😉

(I don't want to answer for Joe - but I suspect it is in how he described Sharpton - which was that Sharpton is not a good guy -  and Joe views Carter as the epitome of a good guy)

 
Sinn Fein said:
Its as simple as black and white.  😉

(I don't want to answer for Joe - but I suspect it is in how he described Sharpton - which was that Sharpton is not a good guy -  and Joe views Carter as the epitome of a good guy)
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I didn't describe Sharpton. 

The Wall Street Journal piece I linked to wrote about him this way:

Mr. Sharpton also has a history of anti-Semitic agitation. In August 1991 an Orthodox Jewish driver ran a red light and swerved into Gavin Cato, an 8-year-old black child, in the Brooklyn neighborhood of Crown Heights. The following night a mob set upon 29-year-old Yankel Rosenbaum—an Australian student who had nothing to do with the accident—and stabbed him to death. At Gavin’s funeral, Mr. Sharpton caricatured Jews as “diamond dealers” and, according to a report in Newsday, “seemed to scoff . . . at labeling Gavin’s death an accident.” At a rally around the same time, he was quoted as saying: “If the Jews want to get it on, tell them to pin their yarmulkes back and come over to my house.”

In the summer of 1995 Mr. Sharpton’s National Action Network held daily protests against Freddy’s Fashion Mart, a Jewish-owned Harlem retailer that had a rent dispute with a black-owned subtenant. Protesters screamed about “bloodsucking Jews” and “Jew bastards,” and Mr. Sharpton himself vowed: “We will not stand by and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business on 125th Street.” In December Roland Smith, 51, who’d participated in the protests, returned to Freddy’s, brandished a gun, and burned the place down. Smith killed seven people and himself in the attack.
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For Carter, I think a lot of him. I've admired how he's carried himself after his presidency. 

And sorry, but it has zero to do with "black and white". :rolleyes:  

 
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I still feel like it's Bernie's and Biden's game until he gets on stage and shows what he can do, compared to those guys.

Also, let Biden remind us why he wasn't in the top 3 in 2008 campaign for democratic primary.  

 
That one guy said:
When do primary debates happen?  I get the desire for policy talk, I’d like that too, but it seems the slow play here is the correct move.  He’s effectively new on the national stage, use the introduction phase simply to connect and make the public comfortable with you; build your persona with everyone.  Once that’s accomplished, then start rolling out the more concrete stances and desired methods of legislatively accomplishing them.
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That was Josh Lyman’s strategy with Matt Santos, and it worked 👍

 
With Mother's day coming up I want to know if he is kind to his mother.  Will he send flowers and take her to brunch?

Hell, he will probably write her a poem in Swedish.

 
Biden was pretty crafty to wait until everyone else of any note had jumped in.  He got the last, best word and no one else is drawing attention away with their own announcement.  This is the first thing that I've seen on Pete B in a couple weeks.

 
Dinsy Ejotuz said:
Biden was pretty crafty to wait until everyone else of any note had jumped in.  He got the last, best word and no one else is drawing attention away with their own announcement.  This is the first thing that I've seen on Pete B in a couple weeks.
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I see a bit in my Twitter feed and he is still my favorite.  But, yeah, not making a lot of news

 
Slapdash said:
I see a bit in my Twitter feed and he is still my favorite.  But, yeah, not making a lot of news
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He actually called that this was about to happen when he was on the Daily Show recently.  I think the question is whether he can pick it back up in June. Which is when or just before he should start policy rollout IMO

 
Not really a fan but I have to give him points for his response to Trump calling him Aldred E Nuemann. "I had to goggle it". 

 
NCCommish said:
Not really a fan but I have to give him points for his response to Trump calling him Aldred E Nuemann. "I had to goggle it". 
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It was a good line.  He’s really good at the personality fluff, can’t take that away from him.  

But it’s weird that he would make it a generational thing.  I’m younger than Pete and I know MAD magazine.  Most of us probably remember the late night show on Fox.  I did the little foldout puzzles on the back.  

To me it’s like saying he had to google what was cool about the 90’s.  

 
ren hoek said:
It was a good line.  He’s really good at the personality fluff, can’t take that away from him.  

But it’s weird that he would make it a generational thing.  I’m younger than Pete and I know MAD magazine.  Most of us probably remember the late night show on Fox.  I did the little foldout puzzles on the back.  

To me it’s like saying he had to google what was cool about the 90’s.  
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As i said in one of my initial post on da Bootyjudge,  i'm sure he wouldn't enter the fray without an entire flow chart on countering Trumpshtick. Gay nerds know how to deal w bullies. Don't oppose, make them appear insubstantial. "Why would that even bother me?" is a beaut. He's saving "What, me worry?!" for later.

 
ren hoek said:
It was a good line.  He’s really good at the personality fluff, can’t take that away from him.  

But it’s weird that he would make it a generational thing.  I’m younger than Pete and I know MAD magazine.  Most of us probably remember the late night show on Fox.  I did the little foldout puzzles on the back.  

To me it’s like saying he had to google what was cool about the 90’s.  
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I know people Pete’s age who do know MAD and I know those who don’t. 

I didn’t even realize it was still being published. 

 
If we really want to analyze it the likelyhood is he knows who that is. Didn't he go to Harvard? Several Mad writers and the publisher were alum. But that isn't the point really. The shot worked.

 
Henry Ford said:
I know people Pete’s age who do know MAD and I know those who don’t. 

I didn’t even realize it was still being published. 
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Well I guess it’s been around for a long time.  Apparently they’re bringing it back.  I didn’t know it had been discontinued.  

 
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