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Terrible optics for Boston Red Sox visit to White House: every white player is going; every black and Hispanic player (except for Cuban JD Martinez) i (1 Viewer)
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To the best of my knowledge none of the players have publicly stated a reason for not going. Only Cora (the manager) who is not going because he doesn't approve of the way Trump handled the hurricanes in Puerto Rico. Frankly I think that's the wrong way to go about it.
One thing we know about Trump is that he listens to celebrities. Sometimes it's even productive. The fact of the matter is Kim Kardashian and Donald Trump have done more for criminal justice reform in this country than Obama ever did. (There's a sentence I never imagined I would write).
Cora could have gone to the White House and used his face time with the President to advocate for Puerto Rico. Not going to the White House is counter-productive.
One thing we know about Trump is that he listens to celebrities. Sometimes it's even productive. The fact of the matter is Kim Kardashian and Donald Trump have done more for criminal justice reform in this country than Obama ever did. (There's a sentence I never imagined I would write).
Cora could have gone to the White House and used his face time with the President to advocate for Puerto Rico. Not going to the White House is counter-productive.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
It's obvious that you're not on a team because I can guarantee you none of them feel this way.
The Commish
Footballguy
Do better on your standard for "interesting"I'm not looking to be offended.WTF does someone care about this one way or the other?
You guys are just looking for things to be offended about. Good Grief!
And sure, it's not an issue that is as important as climate change, or healthcare, or trade. But it's an interesting issue; why should we need other qualifiers?
timschochet
Footballguy
I think you make a very good point here. I'm not sure I agree, but it's interesting nonetheless.
timschochet
Footballguy
I don't need to. The board does it for me.
Sometimes I start threads that nobody finds interesting other than me. When that happens, they die very quick deaths. This thread has a lot of responses, so I know that other people find it interesting as well. I'm sorry you don't, but why are you wasting your valuable time complaining about it?
McJose
Footballguy
Trump “listens” to celebrities that tell him what he wants to hear or are loyal to him.
Im having a had time imagining that Cora (who Trump probably never heard of before this week) would be able to change Trump’s mind.
Jackstraw
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John Blutarsky
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
Jackstraw
Footballguy
Did you see him joking about shooting refugees last night? To hell with that mess.
It implies some level of tacit acceptance. I'd have went and visited Bush even though I disagreed with him.
This guy? no.
If that was me, I go, I state my case, on PR, if given the chance. If I didn't like him as POTUS and he gave a rats ### about what I said, I use that to help get him ousted as POTUS. You really cannot lose. If he says he's gonna do more, you got him saying that and by the time the election comes around, if nothing has changed, you sue it against him.
An opportunity lost, but then these guys are not exactly geniuses.
John Blutarsky
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
I disagree with Blutarsky on this, but he didn't write anything like that, and you're being a little over the top here, don't you think?
Jackstraw
Footballguy
I just reject your paradigm I guess.
There's nothing respectable about the office right now. And he's doing the disrespecting.
Why wouldn't you hold him to a higher standard than the second string catcher for the Red sox?
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
I understand your point and if I felt someone was a terrible person I would not like to meet with them. However, I would never turn down a trip to the White House whoever is President. I thought Obama was a terrible President but I would have attended. Could be a once in a lifetime opportunity.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
I am a former professional baseball player so I think you are squarely incorrect here
2Squirrels1Nut
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After what he did with Mattingly and his sideburns I would avoid it too.
zoonation
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Steve Tasker
Footballguy
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
If McDonald's made mofongo, they could put everything right
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
AAA last 2 years, on the 40 man roster, but never made active 25 man roster. I was a starting pitchertimschochet said:
John Blutarsky
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Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Need a top 100 list of players not to visit the White House
timschochet
Footballguy
That's extremely impressive. Seriously. Anyone who is a starting pitcher on an AAA team is an elite level athlete. Good for you.
Your politics are still incredibly silly, though!
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Awesome!
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Let people live their lives how they choose Tim. Maybe you (and others) would be happier if you spent less time worrying about and judging others for their choices and more time living the best you.
Jackstraw
Footballguy
Yeah maybe. But I watch this guy tear down everyone and everybuddy who doesn't grovel to him. And ballpayers gotta "take the hgh road"? Shake hands, give him a jersey, smile for the cameras? Gross.timschochet said:
We are watching an obscenity scar our country but the poor office needs some respect.
Please. It makes me crazy.
timschochet
Footballguy
John Blutarsky
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
They are.
But notice I didn't refer to him as Curt Schilling or John Rocker. That's pretty low.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Knowing your stances and history of posts, sure some of the judgement may go to Trump, but I feel you have some thoughts about any players, in this case white players, going to the white house, and in turn appearing to support Trump with their attendance.
John Blutarsky
Footballguy
You said you didn’t judge anyone other than the President. That was incorrect. Not to mention the massive broad generalizations you make in other threads.
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timschochet
Footballguy
I'm not critical of their decision to go to the White House. I don't like the way it looks, that only white players are going, that's why I started the thread. But I have no criticism of those who decided to go, or those who chose not to go.
I DID express concern in general about how, IMO, many white people who support Trump are insensitive to how persons of color feel about his bigotry towards them. These white supporters are mostly not bigoted themselves, but they simply don't see Trump's bigotry as that big an issue (or, like Don't Noonan, they simply deny it exists against a ton of evidence.) These attitudes bother me.
timschochet
Footballguy
Being critical of somebody's opinions is not really a judgment. I reserve judgment for actions, not opinions.
I try not to generalize about broads. Gets me into trouble.
John Blutarsky
Footballguy
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Let me help. Imagine if the President was Barack Obama.sho nuff said:
McJose
Footballguy
If a player had a legitimate problem with Obama’s policies or reputation as a human being I would have no problem with them boycotting.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
From what I can gather, the students would have to post it on FBG or you'd never see itMcJose said:
McJose
Footballguy
Que?From what I can gather, the students would have to post it on FBG or you'd never see it
I don't know how it played nationally but a lot of people here in Boston absolutely killed him. Most of those same people are now praising Cora and company for skipping the visit.