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Terrible optics for Boston Red Sox visit to White House: every white player is going; every black and Hispanic player (except for Cuban JD Martinez) is staying home.

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How can anyone have a problem at all if someone declines to go?

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To the best of my knowledge none of the players have publicly stated a reason for not going. Only Cora (the manager) who is not going because he doesn't approve of the way Trump handled the hurricanes in Puerto Rico. Frankly I think that's the wrong way to go about it.

One thing we know about Trump is that he listens to celebrities. Sometimes it's even productive. The fact of the matter is Kim Kardashian and Donald Trump have done more for criminal justice reform in this country than Obama ever did. (There's a sentence I never imagined I would write).

Cora could have gone to the White House and used his face time with the President to advocate for Puerto Rico. Not going to the White House is counter-productive.

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15 minutes ago, Don't Noonan said:

If I were on the team I would be very upset that the rest of team decided to make a political statement by refusing to go.  

It's obvious that you're not on a team because I can guarantee you none of them feel this way.

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1 minute ago, timschochet said:
3 minutes ago, The Commish said:

WTF does someone care about this one way or the other?  :lmao:

You guys are just looking for things to be offended about.  Good Grief!

I'm not looking to be offended.

And sure, it's not an issue that is as important as climate change, or healthcare, or trade.  But it's an interesting issue; why should we need other qualifiers?

Do better on your standard for "interesting"

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Just now, Murph said:

To the best of my knowledge none of the players have publicly stated a reason for not going. Only Cora (the manager) who is not going because he doesn't approve of the way Trump handled the hurricanes in Puerto Rico. Frankly I think that's the wrong way to go about it.

One thing we know about Trump is that he listens to celebrities. Sometimes it's even productive. The fact of the matter is Kim Kardashian and Donald Trump have done more for criminal justice reform in this country than Obama ever did. (There's a sentence I never imagined I would write).

Cora could have gone to the White House and used his face time with the President to advocate for Puerto Rico. Not going to the White House is counter-productive.

I think you make a very good point here. I'm not sure I agree, but it's interesting nonetheless.

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Just now, The Commish said:

Do better on your standard for "interesting"

I don't need to. The board does it for me.

Sometimes I start threads that nobody finds interesting other than me. When that happens, they die very quick deaths. This thread has a lot of responses, so I know that other people find it interesting as well.  I'm sorry you don't, but why are you wasting your valuable time complaining about it?

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1 minute ago, Murph said:

To the best of my knowledge none of the players have publicly stated a reason for not going. Only Cora (the manager) who is not going because he doesn't approve of the way Trump handled the hurricanes in Puerto Rico. Frankly I think that's the wrong way to go about it.

One thing we know about Trump is that he listens to celebrities. Sometimes it's even productive. The fact of the matter is Kim Kardashian and Donald Trump have done more for criminal justice reform in this country than Obama ever did. (There's a sentence I never imagined I would write).

Cora could have gone to the White House and used his face time with the President to advocate for Puerto Rico. Not going to the White House is counter-productive.

Trump “listens” to celebrities that tell him what he wants to hear or are loyal to him.

Im having a had time imagining that Cora (who Trump probably never heard of before this week) would be able to change Trump’s mind.

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43 minutes ago, John Blutarsky said:

Then be the better person and show respect. Two wrongs don’t make a right. 

So you want them to some in and shuck and jive for him to "show respect"? 

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Just now, Jackstraw said:

So you want them to some in and shuck and jive for him to "show respect"? 

Be the better person, take the high road and respect the office. 

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3 minutes ago, timschochet said:

I don't need to. The board does it for me.

Sometimes I start threads that nobody finds interesting other than me. When that happens, they die very quick deaths. This thread has a lot of responses, so I know that other people find it interesting as well.  I'm sorry you don't, but why are you wasting your valuable time complaining about it?

Great question...have no idea.  No of those days I guess :shrug: 

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Just now, John Blutarsky said:

Be the better person, take the high road and respect the office. 

Did you see him joking about shooting refugees last night? To hell with that mess. 

It implies some level of tacit acceptance. I'd have went and visited Bush even though I disagreed with him. 

This guy? no. 

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1 minute ago, McJose said:

Trump “listens” to celebrities that tell him what he wants to hear or are loyal to him.

Im having a had time imagining that Cora (who Trump probably never heard of before this week) would be able to change Trump’s mind.

If that was me, I go, I state my case, on PR, if given the chance. If I didn't like him as POTUS and he gave a rats ### about what I said, I use that to help get him ousted as POTUS. You really cannot lose. If he says he's gonna do more, you got him saying that and by the time the election comes around, if nothing has changed, you sue it against him.

An opportunity lost, but then these guys are not exactly geniuses.

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Just now, Jackstraw said:

Did you see him joking about shooting refugees last night? To hell with that mess. 

It implies some level of tacit acceptance. I'd have went and visited Bush even though I disagreed with him. 

This guy? no. 

What part of respecting the office but not respecting him don’t you understand?

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5 minutes ago, Jackstraw said:

So you want them to some in and shuck and jive for him to "show respect"? 

I disagree with Blutarsky on this, but he didn't write anything like that, and you're being a little over the top here, don't you think?

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Just now, John Blutarsky said:

What part of respecting the office but not respecting him don’t you understand?

I just reject your paradigm I guess. 

There's nothing respectable about the office right now. And he's doing the disrespecting. 

Why wouldn't you hold him to a higher standard than the second string catcher for the Red sox?  

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I wouldn't go if God asked me to.  That IS me showing respect for the office.

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12 minutes ago, timschochet said:

57% of Americans believe Trump is a racist. Nearly 90% of blacks believe Trump is a racist.

https://1069thefox.com/news/030030-poll-most-americans-say-trump-is-racist/

Now that doesn't make them right and you wrong. But if blacks honestly believe this, how can you blame them for not wanting to meet with him? Would you be willing to meet with a President that you honestly believed was bigoted against you?

I understand your point and if I felt someone was a terrible person I would not like to meet with them.  However, I would never turn down a trip to the White House whoever is President.  I thought Obama was a terrible President but I would have attended.  Could be a once in a lifetime opportunity.

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7 minutes ago, McJose said:

Trump “listens” to celebrities that tell him what he wants to hear or are loyal to him.

Im having a had time imagining that Cora (who Trump probably never heard of before this week) would be able to change Trump’s mind.

You may be right, but I don't see the harm in trying.

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12 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

It's obvious that you're not on a team because I can guarantee you none of them feel this way.

I am a former professional baseball player so I think you are squarely incorrect here

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1 minute ago, Don't Noonan said:

I am a former professional baseball player so I think you are squarely incorrect here

really?  cool.

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4 minutes ago, zoonation said:

I wouldn't go if God asked me to.  That IS me showing respect for the office.

100% correct.

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4 minutes ago, Don't Noonan said:

I am a former professional baseball player so I think you are squarely incorrect here

I'm impressed DN. Did you get to A ball? Higher?

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6 minutes ago, timschochet said:

I'm impressed DN. Did you get to A ball? Higher?

AAA last 2 years, on the 40 man roster, but never made active 25 man roster.  I was a starting pitcher

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Just now, Don't Noonan said:

AAA last 2 years, on the 40 man roster, but never made active 25 man roster.  I was a starting pitcher

That’s great. Probably a lot of great memories. 

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5 minutes ago, Don't Noonan said:

AAA last 2 years, on the 40 man roster, but never made active 25 man roster.  I was a starting pitcher

That's extremely impressive. Seriously. Anyone who is a starting pitcher on an AAA team is an elite level athlete. Good for you.

Your politics are still incredibly silly, though!

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5 minutes ago, Don't Noonan said:

AAA last 2 years, on the 40 man roster, but never made active 25 man roster.  I was a starting pitcher

:thumbup:  Awesome!

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22 minutes ago, Murph said:

You may be right, but I don't see the harm in trying.

True

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Let people live their lives how they choose Tim. Maybe you (and others) would be happier if you spent less time worrying about and judging others for their choices and more time living the best you.

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23 minutes ago, timschochet said:

I disagree with Blutarsky on this, but he didn't write anything like that, and you're being a little over the top here, don't you think?

Yeah maybe. But I watch this guy tear down everyone and everybuddy who doesn't grovel to him. And ballpayers gotta "take the hgh road"? Shake hands, give him a jersey, smile for the cameras? Gross.

We are watching an obscenity scar our country but the poor office needs some respect. 

Please. It makes me crazy.   

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2 minutes ago, ShamrockPride said:

Let people live their lives how they choose Tim. Maybe you (and others) would be happier if you spent less time worrying about and judging others for their choices and more time living the best you.

What? Who am I judging here, other than the President?

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Just now, timschochet said:

What? Who am I judging here, other than the President?

You called Don’t Noonans political beliefs silly.

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1 minute ago, John Blutarsky said:

You called Don’t Noonans political beliefs silly.

They are.

But notice I didn't refer to him as Curt Schilling or John Rocker. That's pretty low.

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1 minute ago, timschochet said:

What? Who am I judging here, other than the President?

Knowing your stances and history of posts, sure some of the judgement may go to Trump, but I feel you have some thoughts about any players, in this case white players, going to the white house, and in turn appearing to support Trump with their attendance.

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5 minutes ago, timschochet said:

They are.

But notice I didn't refer to him as Curt Schilling or John Rocker. That's pretty low.

You said you didn’t judge anyone other than the President. That was incorrect. Not to mention the massive broad generalizations you make in other threads. 

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Just now, ShamrockPride said:

Knowing your stances and history of posts, sure some of the judgement may go to Trump, but I feel you have some thoughts about any players, in this case white players, going to the white house, and in turn appearing to support Trump with their attendance.

I'm not critical of their decision to go to the White House. I don't like the way it looks, that only white players are going, that's why I started the thread. But I have no criticism of those who decided to go, or those who chose not to go.

I DID express concern in general about how, IMO, many white people who support Trump are insensitive to how persons of color feel about his bigotry towards them. These white supporters are mostly not bigoted themselves, but they simply don't see Trump's bigotry as that big an issue (or, like Don't Noonan, they simply deny it exists against a ton of evidence.) These attitudes bother me.

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1 minute ago, John Blutarsky said:

You said you didn’t judge anyone other than the President. That’s was incorrect. Not to mention the massive broad generalizations you make in other threads. 

Being critical of somebody's opinions is not really a judgment. I reserve judgment for actions, not opinions.

I try not to generalize about broads.  Gets me into trouble.

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Just now, timschochet said:

Being critical of somebody's opinions is not really a judgment. I reserve judgment for actions, not opinions.

I try not to generalize about broads.  Gets me into trouble.

So you have problems with women? Shocking.

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59 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

How can anyone have a problem at all if someone declines to go?

Let me help. Imagine if the President was Barack Obama. 

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The story should be that the President of the United States has shown such disdain for minorities and where they or their ancestors come from that they refuse to be in his presence even if it means risking their careers.

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4 minutes ago, Joe Bryant said:

Let me help. Imagine if the President was Barack Obama. 

If a player had a legitimate problem with Obama’s policies or reputation as a human being I would have no problem with them boycotting.

 

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1 hour ago, McJose said:

Just noodling here but...

If I found out that a large number of non-white students (and/or their parents) at my school didn’t want to be in my class I’d have to take a long, hard look at myself.   And I probably wouldn’t start complaining about how they “don’t respect teachers”.

 

From what I can gather, the students would have to post it on FBG or you'd never see it

 

 

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1 minute ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

From what I can gather, the students would have to post it on FBG or you'd never see it

 

 

:oldunsure:

Que?

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Tim Thomas of the Bruins skipped the WH visit when Obama was president, due to political beliefs.  I don't recall how much of a big deal it was, just that I was aware of it.

 

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1 minute ago, Mene said:

Tim Thomas of the Bruins skipped the WH visit when Obama was president, due to political beliefs.  I don't recall how much of a big deal it was, just that I was aware of it.

 

I don't know how it played nationally but a lot of people here in Boston absolutely killed him. Most of those same people are now praising Cora and company for skipping the visit.

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