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Hey everyone. Rock Action here. I'm new to IDP this year, and I was clogging up another thread talking about it, so I figured I'd just make a catch-all about my experiences as a new IDP player. What makes me important? Nothing, really. Just verbosity and time, I guess. And curiosity about the new format I'm in. Let this sort of be a catch-all or open thread to let meandering conversations happen that relate to my team but don't deserve either their own thread or taking another off-topic.

Thanks in advance for your patience. 

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I was going to suggest that starting a new thread for newbie questions, concerns, thoughts, etc would be a good idea.  It would be nice to bring in as many as possible into this IDP world to maybe get some better resources.  

 

It is a double edged sword though, part of the greatness of IDP is that it's hard to find info.  If it becomes too many stream then it will become like the offensive side with everyone easily finding cheatsheets and nothing is worked for. 

 

Welcome and ask away.  There are  a lot of quality posters in this forum. 

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Maybe you could share your roster? Its important to balance the quality ofthis year's draft against what you need for IDP.

Remember, many great defensive players are picked up on waivers every season. For instance, I never draft DB and I always have great stats from this position each week. LB needs more luck on the wire and a stud drafted in round 2 can make huge numbers for a team for 10+ years.

Im my experience the off season wire (if open) is a great placve to find DL sleeps for next season.

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^ Adding to that, the starting lineup requirements matter, too. If you start 11 offensive players but only 9 IDPs it will reduce the value of the IDP side some.

(Really, for anyone adding their own newbie Qs, lineup and roster size always matter.)

If you run 3DL 3LB 3DB as mentioned in the other thread, you probably already know that really means 3DEs (preferably 4-3 DE except the few uberstud 3-4 DEs; never DT), 3 ILB/MLB (except the few uberstud WLB), and 3 SS. Don't be like me in my first ever IDP startup draft and draft Kerrigan / Orakpo / etc. lol

Also, be sure to check out the 3 down Linebacker discussions here (when we get closer to the season) and elsewhere. ILB & MLB only matter if they stay on the field for passing downs.

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1 hour ago, Flying Elvis said:

^ Adding to that, the starting lineup requirements matter, too. If you start 11 offensive players but only 9 IDPs it will reduce the value of the IDP side some.

(Really, for anyone adding their own newbie Qs, lineup and roster size always matter.)

If you run 3DL 3LB 3DB as mentioned in the other thread, you probably already know that really means 3DEs (preferably 4-3 DE except the few uberstud 3-4 DEs; never DT), 3 ILB/MLB (except the few uberstud WLB), and 3 SS. Don't be like me in my first ever IDP startup draft and draft Kerrigan / Orakpo / etc. lol

Also, be sure to check out the 3 down Linebacker discussions here (when we get closer to the season) and elsewhere. ILB & MLB only matter if they stay on the field for passing downs.

This is very dependent upon scoring (speaking in general terms for other newbies reading this).  In big play scoring guys like Kerrigan can be studs and if you have a league that boosts DT scoring to make them more relevant that will also change the DL distribution. 

 

In tackle heavy scoring (per the OP) then the bolded is great advice......

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Note your scoring and find relative value of IDPs when factoring where to draft  IDPs.

In our league the top 2 to 3 LBers score as much as a high-end #2 RB but many fail to take blue-chip rookie LBers anywhere near as high as they do rookie RBs who fail at a high rate.  

Don't bother to draft rookie DBs since you can grab them on the wire once the season starts.  

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Okay, I've had a busy couple of days so I'm just starting to see your responses. Thanks to anybody who chimed in -- they were all helpful in either clarifying or making new points. Per two or three suggestions, I'm listing my roster below.

The scoring requirements are tackle-heavy. For DEs it's 2 pt. solo tackle, 1 for an assist, 2 for a sack, 1 pt. per assisted sack, 1 pt. Qb hit. For LBs it's .75 every 1/2 tackle, 1 pt. every 1/2 sack. For DBs it's 1.5 per 1/2 sack, .875 pts. per 1/2 tackle.

Given some of the comments, I should say that we start nine offensive players, nine defensive guys. The defensive side of the ball is very important. I broke down a spreadsheet of each of the top four tiers for each respective position and total points scored in 2019 and made a spreadsheet. I omitted quarterbacks and tight ends for some reason. Any help in uploading the sheet while retaining my anonymity would be a huge boon. I will look into it myself, of course, but anyone who has a quick tutorial or tip would be greatly appreciated. Quick note: My roster was inherited. Please don't slam the guy too hard for weaknesses, as this is now public. Defensive Back is probably the greatest strength on defense that he left me with. It's hard to quibble with some of those guys, age notwithstanding. 

I should also say that I've read several pieces on which positions to focus on, as Flying Elvis points out. There were two older FBG articles, IDP Guru, and other stuff I've read and printed out. I generally have an okay feel for who and when, even if it's not something I can recount at first blush.

Defensive Line (DE/DT) - Start 3

Joseph, Linval MIN - DT

Wilkins, Christian MIA - DT

Allen, Zach ARI - DE

Bennett, Michael DAL- DE

Brockers, Michael LAR - DE

Clowney, Jadeveon SEA - DE

Ford, Dee SFO - DE

Irvin, Bruce CAR - DE

Pierre-Paul, Jason TBB - DE

Linebackers - Start 3

Kerrigan, Ryan WAS LB

Klein, A.J. NOS LB

Mercilus, Whitney HOU LB

Ragland, Reggie KCC LB

Wake, Cameron TEN LB

Defensive Backs - Start 3

Jenkins, Janoris NOS CB

Sherman, Richard SFO CB

Ward, Denzel CLE CB

Adderley, Nasir LAC S

Joyner, Lamarcus LVR S

Mathieu, Tyrann KCC S

Smith, Harrison MIN S

Vaccaro, Kenny TEN S

Walker, Tracy DET S

 

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Oh boy. You got some work to do.
 

Is your draft rookie only or vets too ?

 

Would be good to see your league fa list ? When does waivers open ?

 

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33 minutes ago, scothawk said:

Oh boy. You got some work to do.

Yep. My linebackers are hurting, especially.

Draft is rookie only. eight RFAs per team upon which to spend, plus rosters of forty for the off-season. Waivers, I believe, open around the time free agency in the NFL opens. It's still a week and a half away, but March 16th is the deadline for cuts and trimming the roster to forty. 

Yeah, I don't think I can get you the FA list as I needed permission to get into the league and see all the stuff. Suffice it to say that there isn't much on the wire, and I've combed it a bit. 

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23 hours ago, rockaction said:

Yep. My linebackers are hurting, especially.

Draft is rookie only. eight RFAs per team upon which to spend, plus rosters of forty for the off-season. Waivers, I believe, open around the time free agency in the NFL opens. It's still a week and a half away, but March 16th is the deadline for cuts and trimming the roster to forty. 

Yeah, I don't think I can get you the FA list as I needed permission to get into the league and see all the stuff. Suffice it to say that there isn't much on the wire, and I've combed it a bit. 

How many do you have to cut?  You can drop all but 3 or 4 DB's.  No need to carry that many.  Your LB and DB numbers should be flip flopped.

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17 minutes ago, Gally said:

How many do you have to cut?  You can drop all but 3 or 4 DB's.  No need to carry that many.  Your LB and DB numbers should be flip flopped.

Indeed. And the waiver wire/free agent pool will have players ahead of who I cut at DB. 

Right now, players to add are locked so I haven't dropped just to drop yet. I plan on trying to bid on three or four FA LBs to at least begin to address the issue. 

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I'd leave the league.  That roster is putrid.  No coming back from that.  I'd like to see your offensive players as well.  If those guys stink too, you're just a donator my friend.

You're entire defensive roster is waiver wire fodder except for:  Mathieu, Smith and Irvin (kinda). 

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On 3/7/2020 at 3:31 PM, rockaction said:

Yep. My linebackers are hurting, especially.

Draft is rookie only. eight RFAs per team upon which to spend, plus rosters of forty for the off-season. Waivers, I believe, open around the time free agency in the NFL opens. It's still a week and a half away, but March 16th is the deadline for cuts and trimming the roster to forty. 

Yeah, I don't think I can get you the FA list as I needed permission to get into the league and see all the stuff. Suffice it to say that there isn't much on the wire, and I've combed it a bit. 

So, this is a Zealots league?

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9 hours ago, northern exposure said:

So, this is a Zealots league?

Yeah, it is. I'm doing this out of love for it. 

11 hours ago, Wooters said:

I'd leave the league.  That roster is putrid.  No coming back from that.  I'd like to see your offensive players as well.  If those guys stink too, you're just a donator my friend.

You're entire defensive roster is waiver wire fodder except for:  Mathieu, Smith and Irvin (kinda)

Oh, I'm not making any payments but for administration. I do it out of love. I'm thinking there's a coming back from it even if the entire D is waiver wire. Walker from Detroit finished in the top ten in points last year. No reason he can't again. Sadly, your assessment of the rest is right. I'm going with Clowney and Paul next year at DE, though. Anyway, the guy that had this team actually won three last year. I also hold 1.01 and 2.01 and down this rookie draft.  I'm looking at being passable on offense and see what happens in free agency and draft on defense.  Right now, my QB is Mahomes, my RB roster would be Elliott, Gordon, Guice, Drake, Harris, Hyde. Receivers include J. Jones, Godwin, and Boyd. TE is Howard, Brate, Everett. After that it gets really weak.

I'm trying to move Jones and Guice for Mostert, Chark, and Diontae Johnson to get younger while still remaining competitive. That would leave my top four receivers under 25, my top three RBs 27U. We will see if the guy takes the offer. 

But don't forget, it's a league done not out money, but of simply hobby and appreciation for the curation of the players. 

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If everyone ran away from bad rosters then dynasty leagues would only have 6 teams.

There is actually some fun in turning the thing around as opposed to takign over someone else's championship team and tickign 22 boxes every week.

 

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Thanks for all the comments, even those telling me I'm sunk. I appreciate nothing more so than honesty. I'll give reasons why I might not agree, but it's best at this stage to get input and try to process it as best as I can.

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It's much harder to turn around crappy offensive players then it is for defensive players.  Not gonna lie, you'll struggle to get quality defensive line cause they tend to be few and far between.  But linebackers turn over at a decent rate and defensive backs you can find starters on the waiver wire every year (especially in tackle heavy leagues).  Once you have a handle on your defensive scoring and can identify the players/schemes that fit into it, you can turn around the defense quickly.   

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On 3/20/2020 at 2:54 PM, ridicule said:

It's much harder to turn around crappy offensive players then it is for defensive players.  Not gonna lie, you'll struggle to get quality defensive line cause they tend to be few and far between.  But linebackers turn over at a decent rate and defensive backs you can find starters on the waiver wire every year (especially in tackle heavy leagues).  Once you have a handle on your defensive scoring and can identify the players/schemes that fit into it, you can turn around the defense quickly.   

Thanks. I've already cast a wide net on free agent LBs, age be damned, so that I might be able to do a quick turnaround.

I've identified schemes and players that were hurt last year early, dropped, and were available as well as guys sitting on the wire for no reason. Right now I'm going to win an auction on either Benardrick McKinney or A.J. Johnson, two relatively young tackle monsters for Houston and Denver, respectively. I picked up Dont'a Hightower for 3% of budget and picked up Connelly from the NYG and Cashman from the NYJ for about 1 and 3%, respectively. I picked up Burgess, who started with the Jets while Mosley and Cashman were out and racked up respectable numbers in FA for about 2%. He's a free agent in the NFL. I also might pick up K.J. Wright as a throw-in in a trade. I know he's 30, but I don't particularly care when what I'm looking at is my roster as presently constructed. 

I plan on picking up the DBs later on the wire and have four workable ones right now.

DEs I have really nothing to show for and will be at a disadvantage unless Clowney gets back to form, which I think he will given his core surgery.  Pierre-Paul, while aging also had a nice point year for TB, who re-signed him to a two-year deal. Again, I'm just looking to keep pace with leaguemates, not dominate or beat them on defense. 

Thoughts roll in my head. I should say I'm just trying to make this defensive unit passable per game so that I can win games with my offense, which is admittedly not deep at WR. It's the picks I have that will make or break me this year. I might want to try and trade the 1.01 and 2.01 for the 1.06, 1.07, 2.04, and 2.06, but we'll see if the other owner and myself see that as a good match.  If I had 1.06 and 1.07, I'd take Simmons and Young, scheme permitting, and really turn the defense around. 

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You should lose every game this year.  Get the 1.01 next year.  Trade all your picks this year for 2021 picks.  Trade all your assets that are older, and will be on downside of career in 3 years for 2021 picks.  Build your team around 2021 players such as Trevor Lawrence, Travis Etienne and Justyn Ross.  Taking Simmons at 1.06 or 1.07 is a terrible mistake.  And trading the 1,01 and 2.01 for 1,06, 1.07, 2.04 and 2.06 isn't a good enough deal for you.  Your team will be stuck in mediocrity hell forever if you try to compete this yea and end up winning 5 games by mistake.

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4 hours ago, Wooters said:

You should lose every game this year.  Get the 1.01 next year.  Trade all your picks this year for 2021 picks.  Trade all your assets that are older, and will be on downside of career in 3 years for 2021 picks.  Build your team around 2021 players such as Trevor Lawrence, Travis Etienne and Justyn Ross.  Taking Simmons at 1.06 or 1.07 is a terrible mistake.  And trading the 1,01 and 2.01 for 1,06, 1.07, 2.04 and 2.06 isn't a good enough deal for you.  Your team will be stuck in mediocrity hell forever if you try to compete this yea and end up winning 5 games by mistake.

I completely disagree with this.  Things change quick and a few quality evaluations and things going right turn things around quickly.  You don't have to throw away a season.  The teams I have seen try and do this seem to always be rebuilding.  

 

Look at 2 yr windows.  Play for this year and next.  You can find bargains this way.  

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47 minutes ago, Gally said:

Look at 2 yr windows.  Play for this year and next.  You can find bargains this way.  

That's exactly what I'm doing. 2-3 yrs.

I acquired K.J. Wright on defense to go with Avery Williamson and Dont'a Hightower. One of McKinney or Johnson should also be won in a player auction for FAs. 

I now have a linebacking core consisting of K.J. Wright, Dont'a Hightower, Connelly from NYG, Cashman and Williamson from the NYJ, and Burgess, along with A.J. Klein and Whintey Mercilus and Reggie Ragland, the last three of which are weak, I know. Replacement players? Probably. But that's all I'm looking for.

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I like the moves, and the consideration of pick trading. Definitely makes more sense to wait on landing spots before moving 1.01 at this point, though. 

I will also caution that NE IDPs are damn near impossible to start on a weekly basis. Too many packages run on/off the field based on situation and nobody seems to get that 85+ % of snaps like LBs and DEs get elsewhere in the league. Hightower is ok depth, at best. Only S/CB has ever held value but that could change with no Brady and a more conservative offensive scheme so it's possible volume favors the NE IDPs this year. 

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On 3/22/2020 at 5:53 PM, Flying Elvis said:

I like the moves, and the consideration of pick trading. Definitely makes more sense to wait on landing spots before moving 1.01 at this point, though. 

I will also caution that NE IDPs are damn near impossible to start on a weekly basis. Too many packages run on/off the field based on situation and nobody seems to get that 85+ % of snaps like LBs and DEs get elsewhere in the league. Hightower is ok depth, at best. Only S/CB has ever held value but that could change with no Brady and a more conservative offensive scheme so it's possible volume favors the NE IDPs this year. 

Thanks, Flying Elvis. I'm certainly waiting on landing spots. The landing spot of two guys in particular, Taylor and Swift, will determine whether I hold a lottery ticket or not IMHO.  As far as Hightower, there wasn't much auction money spent, so I am considering him depth/spot start material. I had read about NE and their packages, which I think Flores is bringing to Miami. But it helps to have it concretized with your posting.

In other news, Burgess resigned with the Jets and Williamson, who is often rated in the top 30 IDP Dynasty LBs, might get cut by them. So that's news on that front. McKinney is really the target at LB right now.

In addition, not out of youth, but I was able to get Justin Houston in FA. He scored a ton of points last year and was available probably due to age. But I'll take it. I now have Dee Ford, Jadeveon Clowney, and Justin Houston lined up at DL. I'm also bidding on Kenny Clark of GBP as we speak, though I don't think I'll get him at the rate I can spend. 

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On 3/20/2020 at 4:47 AM, rockaction said:

I'm thinking there's a coming back from it even if the entire D is waiver wire.

I agree completely.  You can make a killing in training camps by snagging safeties and surprise LBs on bad teams.  DE is tougher, but that's where you're not really in that bad of shape if JPP keeps all his body parts and Clowney stays DE.

There are waiver wire surprises on the last weekend of training camp every year.  I cycled through so many guys last season, got a lot of decent weeks from them, and found a couple of keepers.

Guys I picked up off waivers in Zealots last season:

  • Addison, Mario CAR DE
  • Allen, Ricardo ATL S
  • Alonso, Kiko NOS LB
  • Armstead, Arik SFO DE
  • Barton, Cody SEA LB
  • Beasley, Vic ATL DE
  • Bennett, Michael DAL DE
  • Bentley, Ja'Whaun NEP LB
  • Blair, Marquise SEA S
  • Bostic, Jon WAS LB
  • Bullard, Jonathan ARI DE
  • Burgess, James NYJ LB
  • Clark, Chuck BAL S
  • Connelly, Ryan NYG LB
  • Davis, Sean PIT S
  • Davis, Tae CLE LB
  • Davis, Thomas LAC LB
  • Diggs, Quandre SEA S
  • Eguavoen, Sam MIA LB
  • Gerry, Nate PHI LB
  • Greene, Raven GBP S
  • Grugier-Hill, Kamu PHI LB
  • Hewitt, Neville NYJ LB
  • Holcomb, Cole WAS LB
  • Ishmael, Kemal ATL LB
  • Johnson, A.J. DEN LB
  • Jones, Reshad MIA S
  • Joseph, Karl OAK S
  • Kazee, Damontae ATL CB
  • Kwiatkoski, Nick CHI LB
  • Lawson, Carl CIN DE
  • Mayowa, Benson OAK DE
  • McCourty, Devin NEP S
  • McDougald, Bradley SEA S
  • McKinley, Takkarist ATL DE
  • McLeod, Rodney PHI S
  • Morrow, Nicholas OAK LB
  • Nicholson, Montae WAS S
  • Okafor, Alex KCC DE
  • Okereke, Bobby IND LB
  • Payne, Donald JAC LB
  • Randall, Damarious CLE S
  • Redwine, Sheldrick CLE S
  • Swearinger, D.J. NOS S
  • Takitaki, Sione CLE LB
  • Teamer, Roderic LAC S
  • Thomas, Chad CLE DE
  • Thomas, Earl BAL S
  • Thompson, Deionte ARI S
  • Thompson, Jalen ARI CB
  • Turay, Kemoko IND DE
  • White, Kyzir LAC LB
  • Whitehead, Jordan TBB S
  • Williams, Quincy JAC LB
  • Willis, Khari IND S
  • Wilson, Damien KCC LB
  • Wilson, Tavon DET S
  • Ximines, Oshane NYG DE

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4 minutes ago, Tick said:

I agree completely.  You can make a killing in training camps by snagging safeties and surprise LBs on bad teams.  DE is tougher, but that's where you're not really in that bad of shape if JPP keeps all his body parts and Clowney stays DE.

There are waiver wire surprises on the last weekend of training camp every year.  I cycled through so many guys last season, got a lot of decent weeks from them, and found a couple of keepers.

Guys I picked up off waivers in Zealots last season:

I won't quote the whole thing for space concerns, but that's a heck of a list of guys that you picked up off of waivers. Armstead jumps out right away. 

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