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2020 Greatest of All Time Sports Draft-Zow wins, Judges still suck (2 Viewers)

jwb said:
9.06 - Ray Bourque - Best NHL Defensemen
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Nice! Being from the 'burgh, my disdain for things Boston sports related runs deep but I loved the game this guy brought to the ice. Defensive excellence personified. Wish he could have gotten his name on the cup with the Bruins.

I also remember this ...

Watch the puck Ray

 
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9.8 Greatest MLB outfielder - Tris Speaker

I anticipated continuing the MLB run this round and had Tris, Bonds, and Cobb about equal as the last of the top tier. Thank you to the two other drafters for taking the other two guys and putting me in the position to take my favorite of the three. Tris is 9th overall in WAR, holds the league record for doubles, is fifth in total hits, and hit >.350 in ten of eleven seasons. But what stands him out in this category is his defense. Nearly 100 years later, Tris still holds the records for assists, double plays, and unassisted double plays for an outfielder. His glove was known as the place where "triples go to die."  In my opinion, next to Mays he offers the highest combination of offense and defense in history for an outfielder - making him a great choice and value for this category. 

He's also possibly the only person Ty Cobb ever said something nice about. 

 
otb_lifer said:
9.7 

2001 Miami Hurricanes: Greatest College Football Team Season - Category 31

ya want talent? let's start in the backfield ...

Clinton Portis, Willis McGahee, Frank Gore, Najeh (Plop,Plop!) Davenport. 

QB Ken Dorsey won the Maxwell Award, and had Andre Johnson, Jeremy Shockey, and Kellen Winslow II to toss to. 

T Brian McKinnie won the Outland. 

the defense was peppered with future NFL players such as Vince Wilfork, Jonathan Vilma, Philip Buchannon, Ed Reed, Andre Rolle, Sean Taylor ... stacked!

ya want dominance?

they went undefeated, and their average game score was 42-9.  must've been a buncha cupcakes, right?

not quite ... half of their victories came vs teams ranked in the top 25: #8 Nebraska (37-14), #14 Syracuse (59-0), #15 FSU (49-27), #18 Va. Tech (26-24), #19 Washington (65-7), #21 B.C. (18-7).

this was the first season under Larry Coker, who righted this powerhouse ship PD f'n Q after the Butch Davis debacle. 

GO 'CANES!

@Zow
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that was a ridonkulous team talent-wise

 
Rd 9 Male Tennist Novak Djokovic 

Lucky timing catching this pick right after Nadal. While competing against Federer and Nadal, he won 17 Grand Slams (3rd most), was the first person since 1969 to hold all 4 major titles at one time, only player to have won all 9 of the Masters 1000s, current No.1 in the world and at 33 still could pass Nadal and Federer. 

 
Ilov80s said:
Rd 9 Male Tennist Novak Djokovic 

Lucky timing catching this pick right after Nadal. While competing against Federer and Nadal, he won 17 Grand Slams (3rd most), was the first person since 1969 to hold all 4 major titles at one time, only player to have won all 9 of the Masters 1000s, current No.1 in the world and at 33 still could pass Nadal and Federer. 
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Nice value pick! He's definitely in that top tier and it's nice getting him after two others in the tier had gone. 

 
Pretty sure 9 of my top 10 position players have been chosen, but don't want to list as not all have been designated as best ballplayer, some are by position.

And honestly, it's probably best to put 15 as your top 10 without a specific order once you are past the top 3-5. If that makes sense.

 
Long Ball Larry said:
damn.  i passed on nadal because i thought that i could still get novak coming back.
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You should see the decisions I'm having to make sweating through 30 picks (sorry for the delays, all -- timing has sucked).

I'm already resigned to having to select "Bobby Riggs" and "Judy from the country club who makes a mean chicken salad" as my tennis players   :kicksrock:  

 
Zow said:
9.8 Greatest MLB outfielder - Tris Speaker

I anticipated continuing the MLB run this round and had Tris, Bonds, and Cobb about equal as the last of the top tier. Thank you to the two other drafters for taking the other two guys and putting me in the position to take my favorite of the three. Tris is 9th overall in WAR, holds the league record for doubles, is fifth in total hits, and hit >.350 in ten of eleven seasons. But what stands him out in this category is his defense. Nearly 100 years later, Tris still holds the records for assists, double plays, and unassisted double plays for an outfielder. His glove was known as the place where "triples go to die."  In my opinion, next to Mays he offers the highest combination of offense and defense in history for an outfielder - making him a great choice and value for this category. 

He's also possibly the only person Ty Cobb ever said something nice about. 
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when i was little, there were still a good number of Bostonians who did not consider Teddy Ballgame the greatest Red Sox player (they never mentioned the Babe, of course)

 
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wikkidpissah said:
when i was little, there were still a good number of Bostonians who did not consider Teddy Ballgame the greatest Red Sox player (they never mentioned the Babe, of course)
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Teddy was the better hitter, but Tris was the better player. 

 
Ilov80s said:
Rd 9 Male Tennist Novak Djokovic 

Lucky timing catching this pick right after Nadal. While competing against Federer and Nadal, he won 17 Grand Slams (3rd most), was the first person since 1969 to hold all 4 major titles at one time, only player to have won all 9 of the Masters 1000s, current No.1 in the world and at 33 still could pass Nadal and Federer. 
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thought he was on a track to surpass both his betters. fortunately, he became enough of a tool for that not to happen. still #3 alltime at worst, and i hate saying that

 
Zow said:
:lmao:  holy ####...

Maybe cut it off at 30?
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#####.

Think the longest drafts I've been involved in were the WIS BTTF drafts... 50+ rounds, 24 teams each. ONLY baseball, and ONLY for the one current season.  Pickings got... slim.

 
Is the scoring going to be roto style?  By that I mean there are 16 "teams" and 60 categories.  You are first in a category and you get 16 pts, 2nd you get 15 pts....etc.  total up all your points and that is your score?

 
Gally said:
Is the scoring going to be roto style?  By that I mean there are 16 "teams" and 60 categories.  You are first in a category and you get 16 pts, 2nd you get 15 pts....etc.  total up all your points and that is your score?
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That was my assumption

 
Gally said:
Is the scoring going to be roto style?  By that I mean there are 16 "teams" and 60 categories.  You are first in a category and you get 16 pts, 2nd you get 15 pts....etc.  total up all your points and that is your score?
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Yes, this is the way these drafts are done.

In the past, we typically used to have 20 drafters -- so categories were ranked from 20 points (best) to 1 point (worst). That's why you'll sometimes read us old hands posting about picking "20-pointers" sometimes.

I kinda hope we can keep with tradition and score 16 selections per category from 20 down to 5 points. But if that's too confusing, no biggie.

 
Koya said:
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Think the longest drafts I've been involved in were the WIS BTTF drafts... 50+ rounds, 24 teams each. ONLY baseball, and ONLY for the one current season.  Pickings got... slim.
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Retired guys. Dudes debuting in Single-A. Guys who had Tommy John surgery 6 months ago. All fair game.

 
Doug B said:
You should see the decisions I'm having to make sweating through 30 picks (sorry for the delays, all -- timing has sucked).

I'm already resigned to having to select "Bobby Riggs" and "Judy from the country club who makes a mean chicken salad" as my tennis players   :kicksrock:  
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Don't sleep too long on Judy ... Some of us have her ranked higher than you may think. The chick salad is a known strong suit of hers but her backhand is under rated.  :D

 
Getzlaf15 said:
Sorry, had a long listing appointment.  

I'll take Laffit Pincay Jr.  Jockey.  

Had 10 percent more wins than Shoe.  
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the most perfect jockey i ever saw and the charts i did on him as a horseplayer (no data bases when i played the geegees for a living) gave him ridiculously high grades on quality horseflesh.

and i heard a story about the discipline it took for a guy whose natural tack was about 135 lbs to ride a long career in a profession where 115 is fat. somebody rode a cross-country flight next to him and, when the roasted peanuts were handed out, Pincay took a single one out of the bag and placed it on his tray. He stared at it longingly til about KC, picked up the nut, split it in half, ate a half with a swallow of water and disposed of the other. that's all he consumed for the entire flight

 
Doug B said:
Koya said:
so, my top 5 (MLB IFs), which include a tie, are:

1. Honus Wagner SS

2. Roger Hornsby 2B (tie) - sorry for the typo, 3B isnt exactly middle infield either.

2. Not yet picked (tie)

4. Not yet picked

5 Not yet picked (and this one may be up for some more debate, but I think I know who it would be... may actually be a tie though upon more thought)
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A mr harrier favorite, I presume?

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I might have to pick this infielder just for the schtick. Dude will definitely be there in the last round.

 
Koya said:
Really good pick. He is essentially almost, if not, on par with Federer who went a while ago.  Pretty amazing what we have today in terms of some of the absolute if not greatest ever tennis players playing at the same time, against one another.
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I'm totally biased towards Federer and even more so now that I drafted him.  The biggest negative toward Rafa, if you want to call it that, is his dominance on clay makes his non-clay stats look worse.  I could go the route to say he's a clay court specialist only but that's a lie that anti-Nadal fans perpetuate.  Actually, now that I think about it, he does have one big flaw:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbzRViLJucU

 
well i had been hoping to get Berra at C, then we he went, I decided to take Campanella with my next pick...and then completely forgot about that.

So as a consolation prize at a rapidly dwindling position, I take:

MLB - Greatest Catcher (category 7)

9.11 - Mike Piazza

The greatest offensive catcher in baseball history.  

But what about his defense?

Well, it's actually not as bad as you think: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/mike-piazza-was-more-than-a-big-bat/

Pitchers who worked with Piazza had much nicer things to say. “He did a lot of things well behind the plate,” Tom Glavine told NJ Advanced Media in 2014. Glavine added:

Yeah, he wasn’t the greatest thrower. That unfortunately translated into people thinking that some of [his] other game wasn’t as good as it was. He called a good game. He received the ball fine. He blocked balls fine. But so often catchers are defined defensively on how well they throw and there’s much more that goes into just being a good defensive catcher than being able to throw.

In the years since Piazza retired, our understanding of catcher value has evolved. We know now that a strong throwing arm isn’t as vital as it was once believed to be. And we also have a better handle on how to quantify catchers’ other contributions, which allows us to put Glavine’s contention to the test.

In a 2006 study, Baseball-Reference founder Sean Forman found that Piazza was a whiz at preventing passed balls and wild pitches. And in an essay for the “Hardball Times Baseball Annual 2009” (which is now available online), Craig Wright — who pushed for playing time for a young Piazza during his time as a statistical analyst for the Dodgers — showed that with Piazza behind the plate pitchers allowed an OPS 25 points lower, and an unintentional walk rate 10 percent lower, than they did while throwing to different catchers in the same seasons. Subsequent work by Baseball Prospectus analyst Max Marchi in 2012 and Baseball Info Solutions founder John Dewan in 2013 also supported the idea that Piazza’s presence improved his pitchers’ results, as Piazza was pleased to point out in his book. The more sophisticated our statistical tools become, the better Piazza appears, and the more accurate Glavine’s statement seems.

Next week, Baseball Prospectus will release its latest catcher defense ratings, derived from a mixed model that apportions credit for certain outcomes — called strikes, passed balls, stolen bases — to all the participants in a play, controlling for factors like count and batter/pitcher handedness. These stats will allow previously off-limits assessments to be mined from pre-PITCHf/x eras. BP’s new arm ratings, for example, go back to 1950, while estimated blocking and framing ratings, based on ball and called-strike rates, extend to the dawn of pitch-by-pitch record-keeping in 1988 — well before the advent of PITCHf/x data made the first wave of pitch-framing estimates possible. Piazza’s revamped ratings paint him as a net-positive fielder, despite his poor throwing and middling ability to field batted balls.

Cumulatively, Piazza is by far the least-valuable throwing catcher since 1950, trailing the second-worst, Todd Hundley, by more than 16 runs. (Coincidentally, Hundley is the catcher Piazza displaced when he was traded to the Mets.) Per opportunity, Piazza ranks in the fifth percentile as a thrower among regular catchers. But he also places in the 74th percentile as a pitch-framer, and the 89th percentile as a pitch-blocker. His arm was just as bad as the naysayers believed, but that weakness wasn’t crippling, and he more than made up for it by blocking balls in the dirt and eking out extra strikes. All of that context is lost to Wins Above Replacement models that aren’t built to account for Piazza’s receiving, and future frameworks that quantify game-calling might put an even more positive spin on his prowess behind the plate.1
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@joffer up

 
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Doug B said:
I might have to pick this infielder just for the schtick. Dude will definitely be there in the last round.
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If he is it’s a travesty. I’d love to give hints... but wont.

The guy had a freakin’ impact is all I’ll say. 

 
Doug B said:
Retired guys. Dudes debuting in Single-A. Guys who had Tommy John surgery 6 months ago. All fair game.
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Kinda makes me want to get a WIS sim going... although the GLORY of retiring as arguably the top FFA WISer is worth, well...

yeah, we should get another one going.

FWIW, while we are not so humble bragging, still reigning FFA WIS BTTF Basketball world champs.  And dammit, I legit think I had a really good shot at back to backs... my second team was considerably better SIM FISHING wise than the one that won the championship.  After losing my first game by a gazillion because I didn’t understand that rest meant sit out the game 😭 

 
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Guys who have the spreadsheet open all the time.  Please move your cursor to the side of the sheet and off any of the boxes or category headings.  You idiots keep resorting the wrong categories when you come back in.  thanks

 
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