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2020 Greatest of All Time Sports Draft-Zow wins, Judges still suck (3 Viewers)
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Jagov
Footballguy
Certainly up to @timschochet to make a ruling on this one. And I'll follow the call he makes. I wanted to chime in and share my thoughts as they may help (who knows)
Zow
Footballguy
I'm all right with it out of the spirit of the pick...
... however I'd encourage judges to consider and realize that many of us didn't think he was eligible given the "MLB" limitation.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
@timschochet
I’m already judging the two golf
️ categories. If no one else has claimed them, I’d also like to judge the tennis 
categories.
As with the golf categories, I will be judging players by how they did against their peers. The Open era (1968-present) is vastly different from tennis through 1967, but players who played before or straddled the Open era will not be unduly penalized.
I’m already judging the two golf
️ categories. If no one else has claimed them, I’d also like to judge the tennis categories.As with the golf categories, I will be judging players by how they did against their peers. The Open era (1968-present) is vastly different from tennis through 1967, but players who played before or straddled the Open era will not be unduly penalized.
wikkidpissah
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dont believe for a second that anyone held off from picking Gibson cuz he wasnt MLB-brand, but i dont want things held up til there's a ruling. keep on keepin on, folks -
I did steer away from Negro League only guys because the category is MLB. However, I don't have any issue letting them in. I just wanted clarification.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Rd 8 MLB Catcher Roy Campanella
Teddy Ballgame has 2 MVPs, Mike Schmidt won 3 MVPs, time to add another 3 MVPs to our team. His career was cut short by racial discrimination and a car accident that left him paralyzed but his 10 year MLB career is the pinnacle of the catcher position. Part of the first group of African Americans to make an All Stat Game. He threw out 57% of the runners who tried to steal on him- the best mark of any MLB catcher. He has 5 of the 7 best single season percentages in history. Campy was the best defensive catcher ever, a .290 hitter with 30 HR power and worthy of consideration for the top spot in this category.
Teddy Ballgame has 2 MVPs, Mike Schmidt won 3 MVPs, time to add another 3 MVPs to our team. His career was cut short by racial discrimination and a car accident that left him paralyzed but his 10 year MLB career is the pinnacle of the catcher position. Part of the first group of African Americans to make an All Stat Game. He threw out 57% of the runners who tried to steal on him- the best mark of any MLB catcher. He has 5 of the 7 best single season percentages in history. Campy was the best defensive catcher ever, a .290 hitter with 30 HR power and worthy of consideration for the top spot in this category.
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Zow
Footballguy
8.9 Greatest Baseball Player - Stan Musial
He's the most consistent baseball player ever to play. Despite fighting in the war, he somehow made an incredible 24 all-star games. He won three championships and coached a team to another. If I had to teach a kid how to swing, I'm modeling the swing after Stan. He also held his own in left field and was arguably a better defensive player than Ted Williams. Truly a baseball great.
He's the most consistent baseball player ever to play. Despite fighting in the war, he somehow made an incredible 24 all-star games. He won three championships and coached a team to another. If I had to teach a kid how to swing, I'm modeling the swing after Stan. He also held his own in left field and was arguably a better defensive player than Ted Williams. Truly a baseball great.
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Zow
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otb_lifer
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8.10
Sonja Henie: Greatest Female Skater - Category 57
there's domination of an era, then there's Henie's domination of an era.
won her first ever competition at the age of 10! (Norwegian Championship).
at the age of 14 she won her first of TEN consecutive World Championships (1927-'36).
the European Championships were introduced in 1931, and she won the first SIX in a row (1931-'36).
only THREE time Olympic gold medal winner in women's single competion: '28, '32, '36.
the most Olympic & World titles in history are right here. total dominance.
she was also the first skater to wear a short skirt, first to fully incorporate choreography - she elevated the competition to a more glamorous and technically proficient plateau. she made this the centerpiece of the Winter games, giving it a star power and clout that has resonated ever since.
went on to become box office gold - Hollywood knew the draw she made herself in to.
also excelled at tennis and swimming, though skating became the gig that catapulted her, and the sport, into the stratosphere.
Sonja Henie: Greatest Female Skater - Category 57
there's domination of an era, then there's Henie's domination of an era.
won her first ever competition at the age of 10! (Norwegian Championship).
at the age of 14 she won her first of TEN consecutive World Championships (1927-'36).
the European Championships were introduced in 1931, and she won the first SIX in a row (1931-'36).
only THREE time Olympic gold medal winner in women's single competion: '28, '32, '36.
the most Olympic & World titles in history are right here. total dominance.
she was also the first skater to wear a short skirt, first to fully incorporate choreography - she elevated the competition to a more glamorous and technically proficient plateau. she made this the centerpiece of the Winter games, giving it a star power and clout that has resonated ever since.
went on to become box office gold - Hollywood knew the draw she made herself in to.
also excelled at tennis and swimming, though skating became the gig that catapulted her, and the sport, into the stratosphere.
jwb
Footballguy
8.11 - Joe DiMaggio - Greatest Outfielder
Wish I could have seen him play. Definitely want him on my team. May end up changing him to greatest player depending on who I pick later.
From wiki:
13× All-Star (1936–1942, 1946–1951)
9× World Series champion (1936–1939, 1941, 1947, 1949–1951)
3× AL MVP (1939, 1941, 1947)
2× AL batting champion (1939, 1940)
2× AL home run leader (1937, 1948)
2× AL RBI leader (1941, 1948)
MLB record 56-game hitting streak
Wish I could have seen him play. Definitely want him on my team. May end up changing him to greatest player depending on who I pick later.
From wiki:
13× All-Star (1936–1942, 1946–1951)
9× World Series champion (1936–1939, 1941, 1947, 1949–1951)
3× AL MVP (1939, 1941, 1947)
2× AL batting champion (1939, 1940)
2× AL home run leader (1937, 1948)
2× AL RBI leader (1941, 1948)
MLB record 56-game hitting streak
otb_lifer
Footballguy
my favorite Joe D stat:
361 career HRs, 367 career strikeouts
insane plate discipline/eye - hell, Suarez from the Reds struck out 190 times last year alone ... Adam Dunn (ChiSox) whiffed 222 times in 2012, and so on and so on.
Reggie struck out 2,557 times, the career "leader"
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Jagov
Footballguy
This guy here is OK with me. Hard to believe that 4 others were selected ahead of him in the category.
8.12 -- CHRISTY “BIG SIX” MATHEWSON -- MLB, Greatest Starting Pitcher (3)
A charter member of the Baseball Hall of Fame, Christy’s legacy of pitching dominance is something all others have been chasing since he retired, which was more than 100 years ago. The New York Giants legend put up numbers that top even Walter Johnson’s and include pure dominance in the postseason.
He was among the most dominant pitchers in baseball history, and ranks in the all-time top 10 in several key pitching categories, including wins, shutouts, and ERA.[1] In fact, he is the only professional pitcher in history to rank in the top 10 both in career wins and career ERA.
Over 16 seasons, Mathewson put up a 2.13 ERA, 1.058 WHIP and .665 win-loss percentage, while earning the third-most wins in history with 373. He ruled in the playoffs, finishing his career with a 0.97 ERA in 101.2 innings pitched during the postseason, including a 0.0 ERA during 27 innings in the 1905 playoffs.
In case you missed in … 2.13 Career ERA !!
Welcome aboard Matty!
8.12 -- CHRISTY “BIG SIX” MATHEWSON -- MLB, Greatest Starting Pitcher (3)
A charter member of the Baseball Hall of Fame, Christy’s legacy of pitching dominance is something all others have been chasing since he retired, which was more than 100 years ago. The New York Giants legend put up numbers that top even Walter Johnson’s and include pure dominance in the postseason.
He was among the most dominant pitchers in baseball history, and ranks in the all-time top 10 in several key pitching categories, including wins, shutouts, and ERA.[1] In fact, he is the only professional pitcher in history to rank in the top 10 both in career wins and career ERA.
Over 16 seasons, Mathewson put up a 2.13 ERA, 1.058 WHIP and .665 win-loss percentage, while earning the third-most wins in history with 373. He ruled in the playoffs, finishing his career with a 0.97 ERA in 101.2 innings pitched during the postseason, including a 0.0 ERA during 27 innings in the 1905 playoffs.
In case you missed in … 2.13 Career ERA !!
Welcome aboard Matty!
AAABatteries
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Just kind of a weird sports position where offensive production is often not expected and there's only 1 playing per team. Infield has 4, outfield has 3 and most of them are expected to add value as a hitter. You find a catcher who hold the defensive side and can rake, that's gold. I assume that is what everyone was thinking here.Holy run on catchers Batman
Pick coming up guys ...
tuffnutt
Footballguy
8.13 George Brett- Greatest MLB infielder (5)
I was 11 years old boy from Kansas in 1985 and baseball was my religion and George Brett was the Messiah. He is on the short list of Greatest ever for me.
13-time All-Star (1976-88), MVP ('80), three Silver Sluggers ('80, '85, '88), Gold Glove ('85), Hall of Fame ('99) He was the first player in Major League history to win batting titles in three decades (1976, 1980 and 1990)His 88.4 offense-only WAR ranks fourth all time.
he has a career stat line of .305/.369/.487, OPS -- .857, Hits -- 3,154, HRs - 317, RBIs -- 1,596
He is One of four players ever to rack up 3,000 hits, 300 homers and a career .300 batting average. The others: Stan Musial, Willie Mays and Hank Aaron.
@AAABatteries
I was 11 years old boy from Kansas in 1985 and baseball was my religion and George Brett was the Messiah. He is on the short list of Greatest ever for me.
13-time All-Star (1976-88), MVP ('80), three Silver Sluggers ('80, '85, '88), Gold Glove ('85), Hall of Fame ('99) He was the first player in Major League history to win batting titles in three decades (1976, 1980 and 1990)His 88.4 offense-only WAR ranks fourth all time.
he has a career stat line of .305/.369/.487, OPS -- .857, Hits -- 3,154, HRs - 317, RBIs -- 1,596
He is One of four players ever to rack up 3,000 hits, 300 homers and a career .300 batting average. The others: Stan Musial, Willie Mays and Hank Aaron.
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timschochet
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Ok, let me start by saying I don't want to make this pick but I feel almost obligated at this point. I don't like the guy - never really did but to me despite the controversy he's a top-10 player all-time.
8.14 Barry Bonds - MLB - Greatest Outfielder (6)
1st in Home Runs
4th in all-time WAR
6th in RBIs
8.14 Barry Bonds - MLB - Greatest Outfielder (6)
1st in Home Runs
4th in all-time WAR
6th in RBIs
AAABatteries
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jwb
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jwb
Footballguy
Big fan of the 70's Yankee teams, so Brett is someone I both hated and respected immensely. Great, great hitter.
Plus, he had the best reaction ever to getting called out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbEHAsZxRYo
otb_lifer
Footballguy
you really think the pine tar game is greater than Aaron breaking Ruth's record? or at least a dozen others that i won't spotlight?
WOW
yeah, no.
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tuffnutt
Footballguy
of course not. but being a huge royals fan I would have punted the category and picked the pine tar game for kicks.
you really think the pine tar game is greater than Aaron breaking Ruth's record? or at least a dozen others that i won't spotlight?
WOW
yeah, no.
otb_lifer
Footballguy
AAABatteries
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Zegras11
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wikkidpissah
Footballguy
my favorite stat - Bill Russell's record in elimination games: 21-0
Zow
Footballguy
This was a tough call. Without the steroid cloud, he's a top 3 player ever. He had probably the best season ever (walked multiple times with the bases loaded!). Probably the best batting eye ever. And he could field.
But, you know, steroids.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Jagov
Footballguy
Did the steroids make him a jerk or was it his jerkness that drove him to the juice? Inquiring minds want to know!
But he could sure jack them outta da park.
8.15 - Curt Flood forcing free agency - Greatest Baseball Moment (Category #9)
From wikipedia:
In a letter to Baseball Commissioner Bowie Kuhn, Flood demanded that the commissioner declare him a free agent:
December 24, 1969
After twelve years in the major leagues, I do not feel I am a piece of property to be bought and sold irrespective of my wishes. I believe that any system which produces that result violates my basic rights as a citizen and is inconsistent with the laws of the United States and of the several States.
It is my desire to play baseball in 1970, and I am capable of playing. I have received a contract offer from the Philadelphia club, but I believe I have the right to consider offers from other clubs before making any decision. I, therefore, request that you make known to all Major League clubs my feelings in this matter, and advise them of my availability for the 1970 season.[6][14]
Without this players would not be able to get the free agent contracts and money currently being awarded. This was a major moment that changed the game forever.
ETA: other than breaking the color barrier I cannot think of a more important moment for the players and MLB.
From wikipedia:
In a letter to Baseball Commissioner Bowie Kuhn, Flood demanded that the commissioner declare him a free agent:
December 24, 1969
After twelve years in the major leagues, I do not feel I am a piece of property to be bought and sold irrespective of my wishes. I believe that any system which produces that result violates my basic rights as a citizen and is inconsistent with the laws of the United States and of the several States.
It is my desire to play baseball in 1970, and I am capable of playing. I have received a contract offer from the Philadelphia club, but I believe I have the right to consider offers from other clubs before making any decision. I, therefore, request that you make known to all Major League clubs my feelings in this matter, and advise them of my availability for the 1970 season.[6][14]
Without this players would not be able to get the free agent contracts and money currently being awarded. This was a major moment that changed the game forever.
ETA: other than breaking the color barrier I cannot think of a more important moment for the players and MLB.
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
I was more inclined to stay away from him because he was a jerk than the steroids. Steroids doesn't really help you hit a baseball.
Long Ball Larry
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Long Ball Larry
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otb_lifer
Footballguy
Marvin Miller got this done - Flood put his neck out, yes ... but MM was the key player.
Zow
Footballguy
No, but it does help one recover so much better so that he can hit the ball at 100% every time.
I once played 80 baseball years in the spring/summer (HS, legion, and amateur ball). I played probably ~4 games/week for several months in a row and oftentimes played several consecutive days in a row. I took it seriously as it was the most important thing in my life at that time so I worked out, consumed little to no alcohol, etc. But still, I recall nights where I was just physically tired and my bat speed dipped or my arm hurt or whatever.
Steroids, to me, aren't necessarily about strength and hitting the ball farther, but instead help the most with keeping one at 100% every night and eliminating fatigue from being a factor.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Without Flood v. Kuhn the Seitz Decision never would have happened. Every other North American team sport modeled their contracts on baseball’s Reserve Clause. After Flood the NBA, NFL and NHL could no longer hide behind it.