Indeed I was just about to post that. That was unthinkable even two years ago. The times really are a changing.LINK
This is great. To me this is more evidence how far on the wrong side of this issue Trump is.
Wondering how this is going to play out with fans.
NASCAR also announced it will ban the Confederate flag at their races.
Indeed. Great move by them.Indeed I was just about to post that. That was unthinkable even two years ago. The times really are a changing.
If I understand they don’t want them flying in their infields or the stands. Nothing wrong with this.Banning confederate flags? I'm a proud liberal, and confederate flag lovin' Southern Virginians are a big reason I moved 2500 miles away, but I don't know about banning flags.
Okay - I can see that, actually inside the race. I grew up around a race track (Martinsville) and I immediately thought about the parking lots/camping areas - where the real fun is.If I understand they don’t want them flying in their infields or the stands.
Because as General Robert E Lee said (paraphrasing)... reminders of the confederacy should be sent to oblivion. They will only make it so our country wont heal.Banning confederate flags? I'm a proud liberal, and confederate flag lovin' Southern Virginians are a big reason I moved 2500 miles away, but I don't know about banning flags.
Not to mention that it's a flag of an enemy of the United States.Because as General Robert E Lee said (paraphrasing)... reminders of the confederacy should be sent to oblivion. They will only make it so our country wont heal.
And he was exactly accurate.
No doubt.Not to mention that it's a flag of an enemy of the United States.
Private organization. They can ban whatever they want, and I agree that the confederate flag is a toxic presence that we would be better off without.Banning confederate flags? I'm a proud liberal, and confederate flag lovin' Southern Virginians are a big reason I moved 2500 miles away, but I don't know about banning flags.
They're all over upstate NY too... at least in VA they can make the "history" excuse. Up here they're just being ########Banning confederate flags? I'm a proud liberal, and confederate flag lovin' Southern Virginians are a big reason I moved 2500 miles away, but I don't know about banning flags.
I live in Alabama and probably in the last 6 months I've seen 1 Confederate flag. That was on the Interstate on I-65 coming home from the beach. Some guy erected it on private property and put a huge flag up with fencing around it. Now, the last time I went to Atlanta on a raceday and passed Talladega, there were flags everywhere on the campers and trucks parked out between the interstate and the raceway. Pretty much the view here is that the NASCAR folks are the reddest of the rednecks. And most of those people that have the flags wouldn't deem that an insult. Some likely fly them at home or on their pickup truck in the rural areas but many I'm sure just bring them out for the races. I really don't care one way or the other about it but it's gonna be nasty and some drunk people are going to bring them in and probably a few fights will happen. I used to see the flag a lot more, but I live in the most suburban area of the state now and grew up in a rural one. But even when I go back home now I don't see them. I'm sure they are there, but when you happen to run into someone with one now, you notice it because it's not common. I think there is some disconnect though with what it means to those who have it or fly it, certainly in the past, with those who have a visceral reaction to it.For a struggling sport, will they gain more fans than they alienate with this move? Or did they solve a problem that didn't exist?
I have spent time on many backroads of Bama, Mississipi, Georgia and Tennessee. This was 15 years ago at this point, I'm sure the flag was being made an issue by that point. But I was amazed by how FEW I saw. I expected to see just a galaxy of them. Likewise I went to Talladega, and I don't know if I closely scanned the infield, I was in the grandstand but I'm a yankee through and through and I went through the lot looking for pictures of flags to take but I didn't see any. One day, one race does not a sample make, but I thought it was interesting.I live in Alabama and probably in the last 6 months I've seen 1 Confederate flag. That was on the Interstate on I-65 coming home from the beach. Some guy erected it on private property and put a huge flag up with fencing around it. Now, the last time I went to Atlanta on a raceday and passed Talladega, there were flags everywhere on the campers and trucks parked out between the interstate and the raceway. Pretty much the view here is that the NASCAR folks are the reddest of the rednecks. And most of those people that have the flags wouldn't deem that an insult. Some likely fly them at home or on their pickup truck in the rural areas but many I'm sure just bring them out for the races. I really don't care one way or the other about it but it's gonna be nasty and some drunk people are going to bring them in and probably a few fights will happen. I used to see the flag a lot more, but I live in the most suburban area of the state now and grew up in a rural one. But even when I go back home now I don't see them. I'm sure they are there, but when you happen to run into someone with one now, you notice it because it's not common. I think there is some disconnect though with what it means to those who have it or fly it, certainly in the past, with those who have a visceral reaction to it.
Personally, the flag folks are probably their most ardent fans. There aren't exactly a lot of corporate clients hanging out at those races. I've never watched a race, never plan to. No interest in a bunch of cars turning left all day long.I have spent time on many backroads of Bama, Mississipi, Georgia and Tennessee. This was 15 years ago at this point, I'm sure the flag was being made an issue by that point. But I was amazed by how FEW I saw. I expected to see just a galaxy of them. Likewise I went to Talladega, and I don't know if I closely scanned the infield, I was in the grandstand but I'm a yankee through and through and I went through the lot looking for pictures of flags to take but I didn't see any. One day, one race does not a sample make, but I thought it was interesting.
I'm wondering where this comes from, was it driver driven? Sponsors? Full disclosure, its a loser flag to me, literally, I have no vested interest or fight in it, it just reminds me of MLB chasing fans who'll never embrace them but possibly risking their core audience in big changes. And this is another step in trying to break out of the southern feel, but their southern thing is one of their main appeals.
Full disclosure, one race was enough for me, I don't care if they ever run another run another race again
There was a nationwide problem that they embraced. Evidently that is ending.Or did they solve a problem that didn't exist?
It came from some black fans and drivers. The most recent events in America put Bubba Wallace front and center as the only black driverI have spent time on many backroads of Bama, Mississipi, Georgia and Tennessee. This was 15 years ago at this point, I'm sure the flag was being made an issue by that point. But I was amazed by how FEW I saw. I expected to see just a galaxy of them. Likewise I went to Talladega, and I don't know if I closely scanned the infield, I was in the grandstand but I'm a yankee through and through and I went through the lot looking for pictures of flags to take but I didn't see any. One day, one race does not a sample make, but I thought it was interesting.
I'm wondering where this comes from, was it driver driven? Sponsors? Full disclosure, its a loser flag to me, literally, I have no vested interest or fight in it, it just reminds me of MLB chasing fans who'll never embrace them but possibly risking their core audience in big changes. And this is another step in trying to break out of the southern feel, but their southern thing is one of their main appeals.
Full disclosure, one race was enough for me, I don't care if they ever run another run another race again
Well thats fair enough and they certainly didn't have a choiceIt came from some black fans and drivers. The most recent events in America put Bubba Wallace front and center as the only black driver
Nascar is liberal, turning left ......heyooooooPersonally, the flag folks are probably their most ardent fans. There aren't exactly a lot of corporate clients hanging out at those races. I've never watched a race, never plan to. No interest in a bunch of cars turning left all day long.
2015Well thats fair enough and they certainly didn't have a choice
As a fan could you guess how much of the current fanbase this is going to piss off?I'm a big Nascar fan and I'm a firm believer in if you don't like something "don't look/turn it off".
I dont want your faux outrage. This tv show is sexist so I'm going to watch it and complain instead of not watch.
But the flag is much bigger. I've come to realize that.
Overall not a ton. Many of the good ole boys left when Nascar sanitized and went commercial. Sure you still have races deep south like Talladega. Some fly that flag "as a southern thing", some get it, some are actual racists.As a fan could you guess how much of the current fanbase this is going to piss off?
I grew up in Southern Indiana as well. Don’t remember the confederate flag but I would definitely say there were areas that were extremely racist, or more just anti-anyone who looked differently than they did. If you had long hair you were going to be in trouble.Private organization. They can ban whatever they want, and I agree that the confederate flag is a toxic presence that we would be better off without.
I grew up in southern Indiana, which isn't quite racist enough to have a lot of neo-confederate thought, but is just racist enough to have lots of proud-southern-heritage thought and therefore a lot of confederate flags on display. I would not be in favor of the government banning this flag, but it's kind of stupid and not conducive to good mental health.
Poor slub is #43 Bubba Wallace. African-American driver. Bubba is a pretty popular driver. Drives the Richard Petty 43 car. Not sure if his individual political beliefs.Who's the poor shlub that has to drive the BLM car? Is the number on it "X"??
I had no idea. I thought this sport was doing well in its niche.Nascar ratings and attendance were already in the toilet
Yep they are down to I think 3-4 million average viewersNascar ratings and attendance were already in the toilet
I can't find where it was BLM....if you're talking about the Columbus statue, I'd put my money on native Americans for the win.I had no problem at all with the sponsorship until I just found out BLM is still rioting. Toppled over a statue in VA. Somebody got hurt pretty bad.
Another opportunity for goodwill wasted.
Pull the sponsorship.
Vanessa Bolin, a member of the Richmond Indigenous Society, told the crowd she did not come “to hijack” the protests against police brutality, but to “stand in solidarity” with the people. Another speaker, Joseph Rogers, declared the area “Powhatan land”, and talked about the impact of white supremacy and institutionalized racism on both groups.
I'll try to find out more info, but somebody said it was happening now.I can't find where it was BLM....if you're talking about the Columbus statue, I'd put my money on native Americans for the win.
See my editI'll try to find out more info, but somebody said it was happening now.
It may have been just caught on live TV.
I'll report back.
I'm not going to lose sleep over crowds pulling down statues of a man best left forgotten for his crimes, who was 5 centuries late in "discovering" America, then kidnapped and did other unspeakable things to the natives.I had no problem at all with the sponsorship until I just found out BLM is still rioting. Toppled over a statue in VA. Somebody got hurt pretty bad.
Another opportunity for goodwill wasted.
Pull the sponsorship.
Had a Facebook friend post a shared post that this was the end of nascar. I don’t follow that sport but then seen the news airing of no more confederate flags and figures that’s what he was “protesting”. I’m sure it will be like the NFL fans that said they weren’t watching during the kneeling controversy and 2 weeks latter they were back watching...As a fan could you guess how much of the current fanbase this is going to piss off?
Were they? That was the first ratings dip they ever tookHad a Facebook friend post a shared post that this was the end of nascar. I don’t follow that sport but then seen the news airing of no more confederate flags and figures that’s what he was “protesting”. I’m sure it will be like the NFL fans that said they weren’t watching during the kneeling controversy and 2 weeks latter they were back watching...
Ooof.Who's the poor shlub that has to drive the BLM car? Is the number on it "X"??
$$$$$ Love it! ...Smart business decision. NASCAR will open up a whole new urban audience with apparel.LINK
This is great. To me this is more evidence how far on the wrong side of this issue Trump is.
Wondering how this is going to play out with fans.
NASCAR also announced it will ban the Confederate flag at their races.
Some were. I remember calling a couple friends out because they swore up and down they were done with it and then a couple weeks latter they were commenting on the game. They admitted they went back on what they said. I’m sure there were many that walked not to return.Were they? That was the first ratings dip they ever took
I was astounded, had two guys leave my 20 year league over it. I love football, I could care less what Kapernick does but I see all these as entertainment options. So I don’t care if he can’t get a job, if the galaxy cuts that guy or nascar does what they do. An entertainment option isn’t obligated to have anyone’s dollar.Some were. I remember calling a couple friends out because they swore up and down they were done with it and then a couple weeks latter they were commenting on the game. They admitted they went back on what they said. I’m sure there were many that walked not to return.
The problem is anybody who side-drafts him too aggressively and wrecks him now will be accused of racism.Poor slub is #43 Bubba Wallace. African-American driver. Bubba is a pretty popular driver. Drives the Richard Petty 43 car. Not sure if his individual political beliefs.