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1.08: Who Should The Houston Texans Take? (1 Viewer)
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
My take on the staff's take...
Levi Brown - makes little sense to me since he doesn't seem to fit well in the zone blocking scheme employed by the Titans.
Leon Hall - Their d-backs are awful. A case could be made for any of Hall, Revis, or Chris Houston. Laron Landry too. And if you're going to win games in the AFC south, you better have a decent set of d-backs.
Either of the QB's make sense. Will Carr be a June 1 cut? He can't possibly return to the team, can he?
I still stick with my mock draft pick of Alan Branch (or Amobi Okoye - whoever they prefer). They were dragging guys off the street at the end of the season. If they get better play from the interior, a healthy Mario Williams will prove why he was the #1 overall last year. Further, the weak secondary will be helped out tremendously.
Levi Brown - makes little sense to me since he doesn't seem to fit well in the zone blocking scheme employed by the Titans.
Leon Hall - Their d-backs are awful. A case could be made for any of Hall, Revis, or Chris Houston. Laron Landry too. And if you're going to win games in the AFC south, you better have a decent set of d-backs.
Either of the QB's make sense. Will Carr be a June 1 cut? He can't possibly return to the team, can he?
I still stick with my mock draft pick of Alan Branch (or Amobi Okoye - whoever they prefer). They were dragging guys off the street at the end of the season. If they get better play from the interior, a healthy Mario Williams will prove why he was the #1 overall last year. Further, the weak secondary will be helped out tremendously.
prymetyme25
Footballguy
If AP is gone then they have to take Landry (if still there) He would vastly Improve that secondary. And I think he is flat out the best DB whether CB or Safety out there. Then in the third take a corner like E. Wright and that secondary would be solid.
imo they should go with the highest rated DL available, since that's where the value is in that point of the draft. They have so many needs(wr, ol, dl, dbs, qb, rb, even lbs) that it's hard to actually peg them with one particular need. Best if they just go bpa, preferably at a premium position that's harder to fill.
Quinn would also be nice if he was actually there. Ditto with AD.
Quinn would also be nice if he was actually there. Ditto with AD.
T Man
Footballguy
If AD is on the board, then he's the pick. I don't think the choice would be Russell (even if he's there) - I would expect a trade at that point. Quinn though would be a possibility.While everyone knows the Texans need OL, Brown does not seem like a good fit for the scheme they employ. As such, it could be another trade point. If they wanted a CB then a trade down might be a good option as CB is not a good value this hig.The value left in the draft pool is in the DL -- which is a NEED. So if the Texans use the pick, I think it's DL.OF course, if the draft goes as Bloom thinks, then the Bills should be sitting pretty with AD and Brown still on the board.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Bloom, you might want to edit your writeup in that first link:Sigmund Bloom said:
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Sigmund BloomWith the 8th pick in the 2007 NFL Draft, the Houston Texans SHOULD take JaMarcus Russell, QB, Notre Dame.
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oops indeedBloom, you might want to edit your writeup in that first link:Sigmund Bloom said:
Oopsie there Siggie.Code:Sigmund BloomWith the 8th pick in the 2007 NFL Draft, the Houston Texans SHOULD take JaMarcus Russell, QB, Notre Dame.
GregR_2
Footballguy
The Texans are stuck in the ditch because they weren't safe. What have they done that's safe? Andre Johnson, Dunta Robinson.... David Carr being the most notable exception. Travis Johnson isn't exactly a bust as he's been coming onWhat hasn't worked out were the gambles. Taking a team that has no depth and multiple needs and trading multiple first day picks for Buchanon and Babin. Using a 2nd on Hollings. Cutting your experienced team leaders (Glenn, Sharper, Foreman) on defense in a single off-season when you already didn't have any depth at those positions. Then there's Tony Boselli, who was worth taking even if he was never going to play for them because they got Walker and Payne by doing so... but they didn't properly mitigate the risk he'd never play, leaving them a hole on the line.
Not sure where to put overpaying free agents with huge bonuses as far as safe or gamble, though it deserves a mention.
prymetyme25
Footballguy
The Texans are stuck in the ditch because they weren't safe. What have they done that's safe? Andre Johnson, Dunta Robinson.... David Carr being the most notable exception. Travis Johnson isn't exactly a bust as he's been coming on
What hasn't worked out were the gambles. Taking a team that has no depth and multiple needs and trading multiple first day picks for Buchanon and Babin. Using a 2nd on Hollings. Cutting your experienced team leaders (Glenn, Sharper, Foreman) on defense in a single off-season when you already didn't have any depth at those positions. Then there's Tony Boselli, who was worth taking even if he was never going to play for them because they got Walker and Payne by doing so... but they didn't properly mitigate the risk he'd never play, leaving them a hole on the line.
Not sure where to put overpaying free agents with huge bonuses as far as safe or gamble, though it deserves a mention.
I think lack of inspiration in the Mario Williams debacle (the safety of having him signed on draft day) and the conservative slant of the Capers/Casserly era overwhelmed any bold or visionary risk-taking that happened.This is a franchise that never really stuck their neck out in the areas of football philosophy or personnel decisions to make a go and building a winner, and it shows.
What hasn't worked out were the gambles. Taking a team that has no depth and multiple needs and trading multiple first day picks for Buchanon and Babin. Using a 2nd on Hollings. Cutting your experienced team leaders (Glenn, Sharper, Foreman) on defense in a single off-season when you already didn't have any depth at those positions. Then there's Tony Boselli, who was worth taking even if he was never going to play for them because they got Walker and Payne by doing so... but they didn't properly mitigate the risk he'd never play, leaving them a hole on the line.
Not sure where to put overpaying free agents with huge bonuses as far as safe or gamble, though it deserves a mention.
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Average FBG
Footballguy
I think you mean Texans.
Getinthemix
Footballguy
If the Texans take Levi Brown, that will surely ruin my bachelor party. Lord would I be pissed.
Warhogs
Footballguy
I think the Texans need to draft a WR#2 but this pick may be too early. I know a lot of people keep beating up David Carr but last year was maybe the best 2nd WR they have had and it was an old Eric Moulds. If they could get one more true receiving threat to team up with Andre Johnson and the addition of Ahman Green I think we could really find out if Carr can be an NFL QB or not.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
-ing him all offseason, I can't see how Carr remains with the Texans.
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coolnerd
Footballguy
They have taken gambles, and very bad ones, but always for uninteresting, and relatively unknown, unproven players. They are like a tight poker player who all of a sudden goes all in with a pair of 4s after slow playing Ace/King. They really had a poor understanding of when, where and how to make those gambles more than being truly conservative. As Greg R. stated when the Texans have actually done nothing a let the draft come to them they have done the best job. In terms of what they should with pick, I can make a sound argument for a player in any position grouping for that team, so they should take tried and true taking the best player available. What really needs to happen is that the Texans find somebody to trade down with to acquire bodies. I hate talking trade down because it is an option that the team has limited control over.
What hasn't worked out were the gambles. Taking a team that has no depth and multiple needs and trading multiple first day picks for Buchanon and Babin. Using a 2nd on Hollings. Cutting your experienced team leaders (Glenn, Sharper, Foreman) on defense in a single off-season when you already didn't have any depth at those positions. Then there's Tony Boselli, who was worth taking even if he was never going to play for them because they got Walker and Payne by doing so... but they didn't properly mitigate the risk he'd never play, leaving them a hole on the line.
Not sure where to put overpaying free agents with huge bonuses as far as safe or gamble, though it deserves a mention.
GregR_2
Footballguy
I agree, if they could trade down a couple of times and pick up another 3-4 first day picks I think it would be a very good thing for them. Otherwise, BPA makes total sense. They can't fill all their needs and most every position is a need, so get the best guy you can. I have a feeling we'll either pick up that player who slides, or end up with a D-lineman, if we can't trade down.They have taken gambles, and very bad ones, but always for uninteresting, and relatively unknown, unproven players. They are like a tight poker player who all of a sudden goes all in with a pair of 4s after slow playing Ace/King. They really had a poor understanding of when, where and how to make those gambles more than being truly conservative. As Greg R. stated when the Texans have actually done nothing a let the draft come to them they have done the best job. In terms of what they should with pick, I can make a sound argument for a player in any position grouping for that team, so they should take tried and true taking the best player available. What really needs to happen is that the Texans find somebody to trade down with to acquire bodies. I hate talking trade down because it is an option that the team has limited control over.The Texans are stuck in the ditch because they weren't safe. What have they done that's safe? Andre Johnson, Dunta Robinson.... David Carr being the most notable exception. Travis Johnson isn't exactly a bust as he's been coming on
What hasn't worked out were the gambles. Taking a team that has no depth and multiple needs and trading multiple first day picks for Buchanon and Babin. Using a 2nd on Hollings. Cutting your experienced team leaders (Glenn, Sharper, Foreman) on defense in a single off-season when you already didn't have any depth at those positions. Then there's Tony Boselli, who was worth taking even if he was never going to play for them because they got Walker and Payne by doing so... but they didn't properly mitigate the risk he'd never play, leaving them a hole on the line.
Not sure where to put overpaying free agents with huge bonuses as far as safe or gamble, though it deserves a mention.
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Marc Faletti
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Any of those could easily be the #1 CB off the board. I had Landry going to the Vikes (remeber, this is _should_ not _will_) or I definitely would've had the Texans snap him up.Hall is a known quantity to me. I've seen plenty of his games, including one in person. I also have a feeling he'll be the most consistent DB of the 3 because so much was asked of him for so many years. Michigan's excellent run D owes much to Leon Hall; by leaving him on an island every down, they were free to attack the line of scrimmage more aggressively.
I love Chris Houston, too, though, and struggled with who to take off the board first. Houston did much better against Jarrett than did Hall, which is worth factoring in. But again, the guy I am most familiar with is Hall, and while Michigan fans may have been taking him for granted (I hear some are surprised he's a top guy), I think they'll realize what they had once he's not there next year.
we'll be redoing 8 and 9 with atlanta as 8 and rewriting miami if it changes who's there at 9 for them. Look for it early next week.pgreenfan said:
