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QB Jaxson Dart, NYG (2 Viewers)

Steve Palazzolo
Jaxson Dart. Discuss.
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Benjamin Sutton
Think your Mac Jones comp was unfair considering he's got a better arm and is a much better athlete. He might not be an elite runner in the NFL but he can run.

I think he should be QB2. His decision making has questions but hes got great accuracy a good arm and is only 21
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Steve Palazzolo
Comps are never perfect, but my reasoning was more about short/intermediate accuracy and deep ball inconsistency. Jones also ran very well at the combine and I'm not sure Dart is a much better athlete. Comps are never clean across the board.
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Benjamin Sutton
It is a problem with comps is they can always be interpreted in different ways and even harder with QBs with so many different things to evaluate.

Dart did run more with more success than Max (although finding actual QB college rushing stats is frustrating)
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Blake Williams
Being an athlete is much more than running fast in a straight line. Just watch both dudes play. Dart is a much better athlete than Jones, even if their 40s are comparable.
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Max Chadwick
He’s Sam Howell in pretty much every way.

Extremely reliant on deep ball in what’s essentially a one-read offense and when that’s not there, he takes off and runs with solid mobility.

(Credit to @PFF_Dalton for the comp)
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Been grading incoming rookies for almost a decade, I don't think I've ever disagreed with consensus more on a QB than with Dart. I see a backup QB, who should be a day 3 pick. I have a hard time seeing the case ahead of Milroe (who at least has a high ceiling) let alone anywhere near Sanders, and not even in the conversation with Ward. Ole Miss ran a very college offense, where Kiffin basically held Dart's hand. The same things people complain about with Tennessee QBs (Hooker/Milton) are on display with Dart as far as not really making NFL reads. Not a big fan of Tre Harris for somewhat similar reasons

Dart going in round 1, would feel a lot like a desperation move, even worse than when the Steelers took Pickett.
 
travdogg said:
Been grading incoming rookies for almost a decade, I don't think I've ever disagreed with consensus more on a QB than with Dart. I see a backup QB, who should be a day 3 pick. I have a hard time seeing the case ahead of Milroe (who at least has a high ceiling) let alone anywhere near Sanders, and not even in the conversation with Ward. Ole Miss ran a very college offense, where Kiffin basically held Dart's hand. The same things people complain about with Tennessee QBs (Hooker/Milton) are on display with Dart as far as not really making NFL reads. Not a big fan of Tre Harris for somewhat similar reasons

Dart going in round 1, would feel a lot like a desperation move, even worse than when the Steelers took Pickett.
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I feel better about Dart over Sanders. Tell me what you don't like about Dart. I'm thankful that I don't play in superflex and be tempted into drafting someone like Dart or Sanders too early. In the 1QB dynasty leagues I'm in I'm completely fading all QBs this year.
 
JohnnyU said:
travdogg said:
Been grading incoming rookies for almost a decade, I don't think I've ever disagreed with consensus more on a QB than with Dart. I see a backup QB, who should be a day 3 pick. I have a hard time seeing the case ahead of Milroe (who at least has a high ceiling) let alone anywhere near Sanders, and not even in the conversation with Ward. Ole Miss ran a very college offense, where Kiffin basically held Dart's hand. The same things people complain about with Tennessee QBs (Hooker/Milton) are on display with Dart as far as not really making NFL reads. Not a big fan of Tre Harris for somewhat similar reasons

Dart going in round 1, would feel a lot like a desperation move, even worse than when the Steelers took Pickett.
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I feel better about Dart over Sanders. Tell me what you don't like about Dart. I'm thankful that I don't play in superflex and be tempted into drafting someone like Dart or Sanders too early. In the 1QB dynasty leagues I'm in I'm completely fading all QBs this year.
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I have some things I like about Dart, I think he's mobile, he avoids sacks, and he has a quick release. But I hate the Ole Miss offense, and it makes me feel that Dart is extremely raw as a prospect because they ran such a college offense. He's in shotgun 99% of the time, and I don't see him reading defenses well. When the first read isn't there, he gets impatient and starts to scramble from clean pockets. I think his arm is nothing special, and he doesn't really make touch throws, everything is pretty much as hard as he can, and his mechanics are all over the place.

Truthfully. I find his tape worse than Will Howard too, but I'll give some benefit of the doubt there, as Ohio State has better skill players than many NFL teams.

I'm lower than consensus on Sanders too, but I like him as an NFL starter at least. I believe it was @menobrown who made a Teddy Bridgewater comp for Sanders, and I like that, as a guy who can be lower end starter, but a starter nonetheless. Sanders to me has excellent mechanics, accuracy, and decision making. He's just a low ceiling guy, who doesn't impress with arm strength or mobility. Basically a guy who needs a strong supporting cast, but I believe he can keep the trains running on time so to speak.

I think these guys are why I'm kinda high on Milroe. Its very possible he's in the Fields/Richardson spectrum as a passer, but big arm+ elite mobility is enticing to me, and unlike those guys, he's going on day 2. I'd probably rather take Milroe in round 2/3 than Sanders in the top 20.

To be honest, I don't LOVE Cam Ward either, but I think he's easily the best guy in this class. In last year's class, he's probably going closer to #10 than #1 overall. He's getting bumped up a bit due to the QB class overall.
 
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Brett Kollmann
Jaxon Dart had a play action rate of 52.2% and an RPO rate of 23.3%. Plus another screen rate of 10.1%

Add that all up, and that means only 14.4% of his passing attempts were actual dropback passes.

Tough eval.
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Were his abilities hampered/held in check by the system there? Or was the system held in check/hampered by his abilities? The more I've watched and read on him, the more I've started leaning towards the latter.
 
I think this is gonna end up being the worst pick of the draft. I'll explain why, because its not just about Dart.

Dart is a raw QB from a gimmicky offense who they traded up for (raising expectations) with a lame duck GM/HC. So unless the Giants greatly exceed expectations, and I think that means make the playoffs, I think Scheon/Daboll are both gone. So what are the chances a new GM/HC are gonna wanna attach their jobs on a raw prospect QB, who they didn't even draft?

This was an awful pick, and maybe the worst possible landing spot for Dart. He's probably the #3 QB this year, and if he does play, he's likely greatly overmatched, which only hurts him more, and then the Giants are likely to start the entire process over again. I think the Giants basically just set their 2nd and 3rd round picks on fire. They shouldn't have taken a QB at all.
 
travdogg said:
I think this is gonna end up being the worst pick of the draft. I'll explain why, because its not just about Dart.

Dart is a raw QB from a gimmicky offense who they traded up for (raising expectations) with a lame duck GM/HC. So unless the Giants greatly exceed expectations, and I think that means make the playoffs, I think Scheon/Daboll are both gone. So what are the chances a new GM/HC are gonna wanna attach their jobs on a raw prospect QB, who they didn't even draft?

This was an awful pick, and maybe the worst possible landing spot for Dart. He's probably the #3 QB this year, and if he does play, he's likely greatly overmatched, which only hurts him more, and then the Giants are likely to start the entire process over again. I think the Giants basically just set their 2nd and 3rd round picks on fire. They shouldn't have taken a QB at all.
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The pick was awful. The fact that they traded back into the first makes it worse. It is shocking how poorly some organizations are managed at this level.
 
Giants traded up with the Texans to select Ole Miss QB Jaxson Dart with the No. 25 overall pick in the 2025 NFL Draft.

The Giants traded the No. 34 overall pick, a 2025 third-rounder and a future sixth-rounder for the right to move up nine spots to land their latest attempted quarterback solution. Frankly, it feels like a light haul, and a good move for a quarterback-desperate team. A three-year starter in Lane Kiffin’s simplistic, prolific Ole Miss offense, Dart (6’2/223) looks the NFL part both from a physical and box score perspective. His production increased all three years in Oxford, culminating in an SEC-leading 4,279 yards last season. His 10.8 yards per attempt led qualified passers by a considerable distance, a number helped along by a similarly prolific aDOT of 11.9. This was despite No. 1 receiver Tre Harris suiting up for only eight games. We love that Dart stuffed the stat sheet against an SEC gauntlet, but he buttered his bread on his first 1-2 reads. If the progression had to go longer it … simply didn’t. Dart would tuck and run. He scrambled a somewhat ridiculous 45 times considering his average athleticism. He is admittedly tough as a runner, a quality in ever-greater demand in the modern NFL. Dart is an impressive overall passer with a few gaping holes in his game. If he can close up 1-2 of them, he could quickly become a legitimate NFL starter. He will most likely remain on the bench for Week 1 with Russell Wilson being thrown into the early-season fire as Dart seasons.
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Giants fan, who may be scarred by multiple Tommy DeVito starts but I'll take the other end. I borderline love the pick.

Dart at least has foundational elements of a QB that are rather standard requisite for 2025 NFL QB success, he can throw deep and he can run. Both attributes open lanes in the defense to operate with. The giants have not really had that... ever. Eli could pass but he couldn't move. Jones could run but he was basically one read to one side of the field, usually the roll out side. In and around them have been lots of flotsam.

So I may be coming in with a lower bar.

The good side is, 21 years old, 3 year SEC starter

If he was a sure thing, he goes top 5, not 25. But at 25, with a coach and GM on a short leash, they bought next year. I expects Dart to start by Week 9 no matter what, the giants did the same to Kurt Warner who was 5-4 and in playoff contention.

Dart will get 24-25 games to show you a pulse and projectabilty. If he stinks, you are back at the top of the 2027 draft with a new coach and GM. The draft capital to acquire him wasn't crazy if you think he's a player.

The player and the coaching dictate most success. So he's an unknown but he has the pieces I want to see and I do think Daboll did help Josh Allen go from a semi project to the best QB in the NFL (although Allen made that leap without Daboll so I give him a great deal of credit)
 
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