1.17: Who Should The Jacksonville Jaguars Take? (1 Viewer)

[JaxBill]

Nelson helps keep the JaGator fans happy.

Why do people say this stuff?I do not think personnel guys consider who the fans would like because he's a hometown guy. I think they'd rather win.

This is why people say these things-http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stor...g_9147499.shtml

Miss this the first time around, sorry if it seemed like I was ignoring you.Perhaps I skipped over the part where the Jags' organization said they will shape their draft according to ticket sales? Point it out for me if so. Thanks!

First, you intentionally left off my caveat that said "Beside filling a need and having ability..." I never said anything about shaping their draft around it. But I do think that this is a crucial year for the Jags to sell out. And I do think that JDR/Shack Harris would have to run the potential first-round picks by Weaver. I don't think they're under a UF/FSU first-round mandate, but if they have two guys graded evenly and the one might help them sell some tickets...Secondly, here's the Jags' director of college scouting-

All things being equal, the Jaguars wouldn't mind drafting a popular University of Florida football player.

"I don't think that's unique to the Jaguars," college scouting director Gene Smith said at the team's annual pre-draft news conference Tuesday. According to Smith, NFL teams like to take players out of their own backyard.

The Jaguars might have that opportunity Saturday if Florida safety Reggie Nelson is still on the board when they make the 17th pick in the first round.

Nelson would fit a need because the Jaguars lost Deon Grant to the Seattle Seahawks in free agency and would be a popular pick among Gators fans who also root for the Jaguars.

"We have [paid] a lot of attention to him [Nelson] because he's right down the road here," Smith said. "I don't think there are any questions he has playmaking ability."

Although selecting Nelson might not directly sell tickets, he likely would energize the fan base because the Jaguars haven't made any dramatic moves in the offseason. That could help because the Jaguars still have 6,500 non-premium and 1,500 club seats left to sell and lost three glamour teams - the Dallas Cowboys, Pittsburgh Steelers and New England Patriots - from last season's home schedule.

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stor...165408826.shtml

 

[JaxBill]

Well, the Jags took Nelson and got an extra pick out of trading down. But we'll see how happy the fans are about passing over Brady Quinn if Leftwich doesn't improve.The Jags, like the fans. simply weren't prepred for the Quinn freefall.From Vic Ketchman's draft day blog on the Jags website:

(5:15 pm)--All right, I'm back. I just finished my "take" on Reggie Nelson. It'll be posted soon. So, what do I think of the pick? Nelson's a top player; fantastic athlete. He can be a major player for the Jaguars. That's part one of the story. I'll give you part two in a few minutes.(5:18 pm)--Nobody expected the Jags would have to face the decision they faced on Brady Quinn. Clearly, they had not planned to go in that direction. They had a plan and they stuck to it. In the process, they got a couple of extra picks. What I'd like to know is what the plan is for the QB position after this season. That's where my concern is. That's why I thought they might pull the trigger on Quinn.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

BPA Draft:

Round 1: Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame

Round 2: Ryan Kalil/ Ikiaka Alama-Francis

Why did we give up on BPA in a draft that tailors to taking top prospects early? This draft is being dominated by teams who moved up to secure top prospects before the gap in talent widened despite needing picks to fill many holes. Arizona, Cleveland and Detroit all have traded up and are sitting pretty because of it.

 

[JaxBill]

BPA Draft:Round 1: Brady Quinn, QB, Notre DameRound 2: Ryan Kalil/ Ikiaka Alama-FrancisWhy did we give up on BPA in a draft that tailors to taking top prospects early? This draft is being dominated by teams who moved up to secure top prospects before the gap in talent widened despite needing picks to fill many holes. Arizona, Cleveland and Detroit all have traded up and are sitting pretty because of it.

It's not only un-BPA, but it doesn't fill any long-term fanchise QB. Sure, JDR will say Leftwich is his guy but right now the Jags have three very mediocre QBs. As Vic says, what direction is this team going in for '08 and beyond? I guess they thought they could get a Kolb or Beck type guy later in the second.To me, this draft smacks of a front office that says "Well, we need people who can play this year or Weaver's going to make some changes."I think Nelson is a very good pick at #21 in most circumstances but I just can't see passing up an opportunity to improve yourself at QB.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

Mike Walker

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[Mr. Brownstone]

BPA Draft:

Round 1: Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame

Round 2: Ryan Kalil/ Ikiaka Alama-Francis

Why did we give up on BPA in a draft that tailors to taking top prospects early? This draft is being dominated by teams who moved up to secure top prospects before the gap in talent widened despite needing picks to fill many holes. Arizona, Cleveland and Detroit all have traded up and are sitting pretty because of it.

It's not only un-BPA, but it doesn't fill any long-term fanchise QB. Sure, JDR will say Leftwich is his guy but right now the Jags have three very mediocre QBs. As Vic says, what direction is this team going in for '08 and beyond? I guess they thought they could get a Kolb or Beck type guy later in the second.To me, this draft smacks of a front office that says "Well, we need people who can play this year or Weaver's going to make some changes."

I think Nelson is a very good pick at #21 in most circumstances but I just can't see passing up an opportunity to improve yourself at QB.

I think that sums it up correctly.After evaluating the players drafted in last few years, it looks to me that the team is only BPA after round one. I like the picks that they have ended up with and would probably be happy otherwise, but I've got to say that I am little bit disappointed- If they were truly BPA then they should have taken Brady Quinn. I don't know, maybe they weren't real high on Quinn in the first place.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Allison, Tanard Jackson, and Thomas, to name a few, are available and they they take a punter at the top of the 4th. What a joke.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

I do like our 5th round choices.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

I can forgive the Podlesh choice given where Sepuldeva went but you're right in theory here. We should have gotten Thomas with that first pick and if K was such a pressing need, went with Sepuldeva with the second pick from round 4.

I do like the round 5 picks. I only wish we could have made a play for Allison. In fact, I think thats what we were tying to do by trading up for back to back picks, but he was sniped in front of us.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

I can forgive the Podlesh choice given where Sepuldeva went but you're right in theory here. We should have gotten Thomas with that first pick and if K was such a pressing need, went with Sepuldeva with the second pick from round 4. I do like the round 5 picks. I only wish we could have made a play for Allison. In fact, I think thats what we were tying to do by trading up for back to back picks, but he was sniped in front of us.

I don't feel so bad now with Podlesh. I had my hopes up for Allison, Thomas or Tanard Jackson though.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Do you think they'll hold on to Mo Williams?

 

[phthalatemagic]

First, you intentionally left off my caveat that said "Beside filling a need and having ability..." I never said anything about shaping their draft around it. But I do think that this is a crucial year for the Jags to sell out. And I do think that JDR/Shack Harris would have to run the potential first-round picks by Weaver. I don't think they're under a UF/FSU first-round mandate, but if they have two guys graded evenly and the one might help them sell some tickets...

Secondly, here's the Jags' director of college scouting-

All things being equal, the Jaguars wouldn't mind drafting a popular University of Florida football player.

"I don't think that's unique to the Jaguars," college scouting director Gene Smith said at the team's annual pre-draft news conference Tuesday. According to Smith, NFL teams like to take players out of their own backyard.

The Jaguars might have that opportunity Saturday if Florida safety Reggie Nelson is still on the board when they make the 17th pick in the first round.

Nelson would fit a need because the Jaguars lost Deon Grant to the Seattle Seahawks in free agency and would be a popular pick among Gators fans who also root for the Jaguars.

"We have [paid] a lot of attention to him [Nelson] because he's right down the road here," Smith said. "I don't think there are any questions he has playmaking ability."

Although selecting Nelson might not directly sell tickets, he likely would energize the fan base because the Jaguars haven't made any dramatic moves in the offseason. That could help because the Jaguars still have 6,500 non-premium and 1,500 club seats left to sell and lost three glamour teams - the Dallas Cowboys, Pittsburgh Steelers and New England Patriots - from last season's home schedule.

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stor...165408826.shtml

I didn't read your first statement the way you intended I guess, and I'd like to see more NFL people say what the Jags scout said before I accept that as fact - but how could I argue with that? Anyway, it was a solid pick!

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

Do you think they'll hold on to Mo Williams?

At this point, we probably would be losing value if we packaged him for picks. If anything, he is NFL-caliber depth.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Do you think they'll hold on to Mo Williams?

At this point, we probably would be losing value if we packaged him for picks. If anything, he is NFL-caliber depth.

That's what I was thinking.

 

[JaxBill]

According to the Jags website, Podlesh is now the starter at punter. If that's true, they better keep him away from fondue pots and axes.

 

[MiamiShaps]

According to the Jags website, Podlesh is now the starter at punter. If that's true, they better keep him away from fondue pots and axes.

Jags draft was an embarrassment. Now since our defense is solidified, if we can hold our opponents to 2 FGs per game, we might win a few, maybe.