13 Iowa football players sent to hospital (1 Viewer)

[cvnpoka]

no what stinks is the strength coach ignoring simple, standard, well known and well researched norms for conditioning. you must ramp up to strenuous workouts.

According to a parent, after a three-week layoff following the Insight Bowl, this was the first workout the players were asked to do.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6068807

 

[cosmonaut]

while theirs were going through a battery of tests, with reports of some gaining 30 to 50 pounds as fluids were being pumped into their bodies

I don't understand this part

They're flushing the kids' systems with fluids similar to flushing a car's radiator. Taxed kidneys aren't able to process that much fluid so the body ends up retaining fluid. Some are suggesting the 30-50 lbs. number may be a little high.

 

[scoobygang]

I clearly stated that over the line exercise is NOT, all by itself, a reasonable explanation for this many players at the same time. Over the line exercise does not routinely result in this condition. SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENED. It doesn't have to be drugs, but there is more than simply exercise. I was merely pointing out the more likely candidates.

I agree with this.If you read enough football books about the old days you hear of extreme cramps, guys passing out and foggy vision and stuff from the coach working them too hard. Never this stuff we're hearing from Iowa. I feel like this would have happened before, in the old days, when coaches were part drill sergeant maniacs.

If "fatness" post is true and they lost 40-50 pounds of fluid, I do see that the drug tests came back negative, but do we even know if it'd show up if someone lost that much fluid? I mean we read "stays in the system for X amount of days" about normal people. That's like a super ultra body flush right there. Granted it's horrific under these circumstances.

If you think about 40-50 pounds of fluid, don't you wonder at what rate the sweat comes out of your pours to lose that much? If you google http://www.google.com/search?q=how+much+sw...lient=firefox-a it shows a body sweats 1 to 1.5 liters per hour during rigorous exercise. 40-50 pounds almost doesn't seem possible.

Something really stinks here and I really feel like it's gotta be some dopey college kid thinking he's invincible type thing. It's just so extreme and without precedent.

The amount being pumped into the athlete is NOT the same as the amount of fluid the athlete lost. The fluid is being pumped in to clear out the kidneys, which have become damaged because massive muscle failure has delivered a toxic dose of potassium to them. The body needs to flush that potassium out, so they pump in more fluid. Rhombo isn't dehydration. It's different.

 

[fatness]

Something really stinks here and I really feel like it's gotta be some dopey college kid thinking he's invincible type thing. It's just so extreme and without precedent.

No, it's not unprecedented.

Rupert Galvez, a Denver doctor who specializes in sports medicine, helped treat seven University of South Carolina swimmers for similar symptoms as a medical fellow and wrote a 2008 paper about their case in the Clinical Journal of Sports Medicine warning coaches to avoid the same problem with rigorous workouts after extended layoffs.

Like the 13 Iowa football players, the swimmers had rhabdomyoloysis, which involves the release of muscle fibers into the bloodstream and can cause kidney damage. Extreme physical exertion is one of several causes of the disorder.

In the South Carolina case, Galvez said the male and female swimmers were among 41 student-athletes who participated in an intense training program that involved pushups, squats and weightlifting after they returned from summer break in 2007. After a few days, some of them were complaining of swelling and weakness in their biceps and triceps and discolored urine.

Galvez said seven swimmers were sent to the hospital to recover and rehydrate and were discharged after three or four days of treatment to rejoin the team. Galvez said he remains somewhat baffled why those individuals were affected by the disorder while others were not. He said those affected were not taking supplements and did not have underlying medical conditions that may have exacerbated the disorder.

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[fatness]

To make things weirder, there was unauthorized accessing of the student/players private medical records at the hospital.

Link

 

[fatness]

By the way, 5 of them are out of the hospital now and 8 are still in the hospital.

 

[RustyFA2]

The wierd, to me, thing is that all the affected are samll guys. LBs,S's,CBs, and maybe a WR but that is still up in the air.

This workout has been done every year. Just wierd. The players tested negative. Chris Doyle is one of the most respected S&C coaches in the nation. Ferentz would quit before he fired him.

I am just amazed by some of the reports from ESPN etc. Media is a big part of what is wrong with this country.

 

[fatness]

The wierd, to me, thing is that all the affected are samll guys. LBs,S's,CBs, and maybe a WR but that is still up in the air.

Is there a list of them somewhere?

 

[fatness]

One the thirteen players affected, Shane DiBona, described the experience via Facebook as “I had to squat 240 pounds 100 times and it was timed. I can’t walk and I fell down the stairs.”

Shane DiBona played LB for Iowa last year.

 

[fatness]

Names of the players have not been released, though Biff Poggi confirmed his son Jim Poggi, a linebacker, is in the hospital. Poggi was one of four people at a press conference that included Moore and Stokes.

Another LB

 

[Bri]

I clearly stated that over the line exercise is NOT, all by itself, a reasonable explanation for this many players at the same time. Over the line exercise does not routinely result in this condition. SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENED. It doesn't have to be drugs, but there is more than simply exercise. I was merely pointing out the more likely candidates.

I agree with this.If you read enough football books about the old days you hear of extreme cramps, guys passing out and foggy vision and stuff from the coach working them too hard. Never this stuff we're hearing from Iowa. I feel like this would have happened before, in the old days, when coaches were part drill sergeant maniacs.

If "fatness" post is true and they lost 40-50 pounds of fluid, I do see that the drug tests came back negative, but do we even know if it'd show up if someone lost that much fluid? I mean we read "stays in the system for X amount of days" about normal people. That's like a super ultra body flush right there. Granted it's horrific under these circumstances.

If you think about 40-50 pounds of fluid, don't you wonder at what rate the sweat comes out of your pours to lose that much? If you google http://www.google.com/search?q=how+much+sw...lient=firefox-a it shows a body sweats 1 to 1.5 liters per hour during rigorous exercise. 40-50 pounds almost doesn't seem possible.

Something really stinks here and I really feel like it's gotta be some dopey college kid thinking he's invincible type thing. It's just so extreme and without precedent.

The amount being pumped into the athlete is NOT the same as the amount of fluid the athlete lost. The fluid is being pumped in to clear out the kidneys, which have become damaged because massive muscle failure has delivered a toxic dose of potassium to them. The body needs to flush that potassium out, so they pump in more fluid. Rhombo isn't dehydration. It's different.

OK, good info. But it read as "gaining 30-50 pounds" after the fluid was pumped in. I guess I'm assuming the gain is to get back to normal weight so I'm figuring they lost 30-50 pounds of fluid. Is that wrong? The thing I was wondering was how could that NOT be noticeable? And how do you lose that much and still keep your dopey pride and not speak up that you need a break or water or somesuch?

 

[RustyFA2]

I know the names of 10 of the 13.

 

[Doug B]

Chris Doyle is one of the most respected S&C coaches in the nation. Ferentz would quit before he fired him.

Ferentz doesn't have the leverage anymore to cover Doyle. Both men will be out of a job soon.

 

[RustyFA2]

Chris Doyle is one of the most respected S&C coaches in the nation. Ferentz would quit before he fired him.

Ferentz doesn't have the leverage anymore to cover Doyle. Both men will be out of a job soon.

I hope you are wrong.

 

[fatness]

I know the names of 10 of the 13.

Names, what their symptoms were, what their current conditions are at the hospital are, etc. would be helpful.

 

[Stitch]

Chris Doyle is one of the most respected S&C coaches in the nation. Ferentz would quit before he fired him.

Ferentz doesn't have the leverage anymore to cover Doyle. Both men will be out of a job soon.

Will never happen

 

[fatness]

I just educated myself at a couple Hawkeye message boards. Apparently the causes of the problem are:

1. the media

2. the players ("They must have all taken something")

3. anyone questioning any member of the coaching staff

One board.

Another one.

 

[RustyFA2]

All 13 players are out of the hospital. The 30-50lb thing seems to be untrue.

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

I had acute renal failure (kidneys) at age 21 but I never drank or did drugs. I roofed all day on a Friday then played in baseball tourneys on Saturday & Monday with a swimming party fit in there on Sunday. I was extremely dehydrated and took fluids for about 2 days. My long term effects are evident as now (at age 28) I have the kidney function of an average 65 yr old man. Once it fails once (at least in my case it seems) you are more susceptible to it down the road.

Sorry man. What's your gut (seriously no pun intended) feeling here? Remember this is more akin to a tryout and far away from the season.

I really don't know... my thought is that it could be a combination of some of the risk factors mixed with them pushing themselves too hard.

 

[Bri]

All 13 players are out of the hospital. The 30-50lb thing seems to be untrue.

thanks for the update.Still no violations by Iowa and (again) there are 10k rules about practices now so that's still a huge deal here.

 

[fatness]

Sunday’s comments from Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz and athletic director Gary Barta indicate that if there is blame to be assigned for the recent hospitalizations of 13 athletes, it will be directed to athletic department staff. Ferentz’s statement in particular seemed to absolve the players, who were admitted to University of Iowa Hospital last Monday with rhabdomyolysis, a muscle syndrome that triggers kidney problems. All 13 players were released from care between Friday and Sunday.

“They are under my supervision and watch, and I am truly sorry for what they’ve experienced,” Ferentz said in a university-issued statement. “They trained extremely hard and ended up in the hospital, and there is no indication they did anything wrong.”

Some observers, from outside experts to media members, had speculated the players might have contributed to their own poor health. Perhaps they had taken over-the-counter supplements that had exacerbated the rhabdomyolysis. Maybe they had partied too hard on and around the three days of workouts that contributed to the condition. Or they might have gotten lazy during their three-week, post-Insight Bowl break and not been ready for the start of a strenuous offseason workout program.

Ferentz’s words suggest none of those is true.

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school president Sally Mason has given 90 days to identify exactly why these players ended up in the hospital.

 

[Bri]

Interesting fatness, I'm not rolling with the "Ferentz words suggest none of this is true" I mean it'll come out, let's not read into it.

 

[Doug B]

School president Sally Mason has given 90 days to identify exactly why these players ended up in the hospital.

I wonder if there will ever be an external investigation.

Still no violations by Iowa and (again) there are 10k rules about practices now so that's still a huge deal here.

I don't think it's a huge deal at all. You're basically saying "if the cops didn't see it, they didn't do it". Doyle doesn't pull that kind of "workout" if (hypothetically) NCAA observers were present.