2007 CB Projection (1 Viewer)

[Jene Bramel]

Hoping to finish the initial DB list this weekend. Here's my first go at the cornerbacks.

DL rankings (including DTs) and discussion

LB rankings and discussion

Probably should've done this for the other positions as well, but I'll include a few raw projections where some arbitrary tiers break out for discussion's sake. As with the other positions, I tried to make a firm healthy 16 game projection for each player.

Note: I have a hard time projecting more than six interceptions for any one corner. If you are willing to take the risk, bump guys like Champ Bailey, Asante Samuel, Ty Law, Nmandi Asomugha up the list a tier or two.

Top 40 Cornerbacks

1 Charles Tillman (122 pts)

2 Ronde Barber

3 Antoine Winfield (110)

4 Richard Marshall

5 Champ Bailey

6 Cedric Griffin

7 Dunta Robinson

8 Rashean Mathis

9 Johnathan Joseph

10 Carlos Rogers

11 Nate Clements (100)

12 Leigh Bodden

13 Marlin Jackson

14 Marcus Trufant

15 Bryant McFadden

16 DeAngelo Hall

17 Dre Bly

18 Chris Gamble

19 Antonio Cromartie

20 Antrel Rolle (95)

21 Terence Newman

22 Terrence McGee

23 Ty Law

24 Anthony Henry

25 Walt Harris (90)

26 RW McQuarters

27 Fakhir Brown

28 Kelly Jennings

29 Patrick Surtain

30 Asante Samuel

31 Pacman Jones

32 Tye Hill

33 Quentin Jammer

34 Nick Harper

35 Nmandi Asamugha (84)

36 Daven Holly

37 Charles Woodson

38 Jason Webster

39 Lito Sheppard

40 Andre Dyson (80)

 

[Tick]

I like the Richard Marshall projection, and think he's woefully undervalued in general.

 

[Beaumont]

I would tend to want to find room for Jason David on this list ...

 

[Beaumont]

Also, its amazing how Vasher and Spencer have fallen off lists ...

Not that they belong anymore ...

 

[Jene Bramel]

I would tend to want to find room for Jason David on this list ...

Why? What would you think is a reasonable projection for him?

 

[Beaumont]

I would tend to want to find room for Jason David on this list ...

Why? What would you think is a reasonable projection for him?

Cause I think he is going to be starting full time in the Indy cover 2 while Marlon Jackson splits time ...He was CB 50 in one of my leagues last year. I am thinking about 35 at worst ...

 

[Jene Bramel]

I would tend to want to find room for Jason David on this list ...

Why? What would you think is a reasonable projection for him?

Cause I think he is going to be starting full time in the Indy cover 2 while Marlon Jackson splits time ...He was CB 50 in one of my leagues last year. I am thinking about 35 at worst ...

I thought David was the starter with Jackson the nickel back when he wasn't filling in at safety.

 

[-OZ-]

I assume you're not giving points for special teams to individual players.

Do you plan on projecting return yardage and TDs for those league that use these stats?

I'm wondering where Hester, among others would rank in those systems.

 

[Jene Bramel]

I assume you're not giving points for special teams to individual players.Do you plan on projecting return yardage and TDs for those league that use these stats?I'm wondering where Hester, among others would rank in those systems.

That's correct. I may be mistaken, but I think leagues that give yardage bonuses (return, FR, INT, sack) are still well in the minority.

 

[Beaumont]

I would tend to want to find room for Jason David on this list ...

Why? What would you think is a reasonable projection for him?

Cause I think he is going to be starting full time in the Indy cover 2 while Marlon Jackson splits time ...He was CB 50 in one of my leagues last year. I am thinking about 35 at worst ...

I thought David was the starter with Jackson the nickel back when he wasn't filling in at safety.

Often, but Jackson played enough corner in regular sets to eat into David's minutes ...ETA: I think he is a reasonable candidate to get everything Harper got, meaning CB 21-30 in most leagues ...

 

[lord_helmet]

I assume you're not giving points for special teams to individual players.Do you plan on projecting return yardage and TDs for those league that use these stats?I'm wondering where Hester, among others would rank in those systems.

There will be an interesting camp battle for the NYJ CB positions, considering return stats Miller would fly up the list if he wins a starting job.

 

[Tick]

I assume you're not giving points for special teams to individual players.Do you plan on projecting return yardage and TDs for those league that use these stats?I'm wondering where Hester, among others would rank in those systems.

That's correct. I may be mistaken, but I think leagues that give yardage bonuses (return, FR, INT, sack) are still well in the minority.

It's hard to say. With the 48 base Zealots leagues plus probably 10 more specialty leagues all using return yardage bonuses, I'd guess that over 75% of the people in here are in at least one league with those rules.

 

[-OZ-]

I assume you're not giving points for special teams to individual players.Do you plan on projecting return yardage and TDs for those league that use these stats?I'm wondering where Hester, among others would rank in those systems.

That's correct. I may be mistaken, but I think leagues that give yardage bonuses (return, FR, INT, sack) are still well in the minority.

It's hard to say. With the 48 base Zealots leagues plus probably 10 more specialty leagues all using return yardage bonuses, I'd guess that over 75% of the people in here are in at least one league with those rules.

Even if they are in the minority, so are IDP leagues, dynasty leagues, etc. How about a seperate category for return specialists - include all (WRs and CBs mostly). From there we should be able to figure out that a starting CB who is ranked high as a return specialist is worth more than one that doesn't start.Of course, I would prefer a comprehensive list of CBs to include return stats, but I can understand that it takes a lot of work. I'd do it myself, but there's many here with more knowledge of the subject.

 

[Jene Bramel]

I would tend to want to find room for Jason David on this list ...

Why? What would you think is a reasonable projection for him?

Cause I think he is going to be starting full time in the Indy cover 2 while Marlon Jackson splits time ...He was CB 50 in one of my leagues last year. I am thinking about 35 at worst ...

I thought David was the starter with Jackson the nickel back when he wasn't filling in at safety.

Often, but Jackson played enough corner in regular sets to eat into David's minutes ...ETA: I think he is a reasonable candidate to get everything Harper got, meaning CB 21-30 in most leagues ...

Fair enough.

 

[Jene Bramel]

I assume you're not giving points for special teams to individual players.Do you plan on projecting return yardage and TDs for those league that use these stats?I'm wondering where Hester, among others would rank in those systems.

That's correct. I may be mistaken, but I think leagues that give yardage bonuses (return, FR, INT, sack) are still well in the minority.

It's hard to say. With the 48 base Zealots leagues plus probably 10 more specialty leagues all using return yardage bonuses, I'd guess that over 75% of the people in here are in at least one league with those rules.

Even if they are in the minority, so are IDP leagues, dynasty leagues, etc. How about a seperate category for return specialists - include all (WRs and CBs mostly). From there we should be able to figure out that a starting CB who is ranked high as a return specialist is worth more than one that doesn't start.Of course, I would prefer a comprehensive list of CBs to include return stats, but I can understand that it takes a lot of work. I'd do it myself, but there's many here with more knowledge of the subject.

Thanks guys. I don't pay enough attention to return specialists and special teams to accurately make projections of yardage. I don't disagree that a ranking of CB/WR specialists could be helpful but I don't think the IDP crew has any plans to include return yards in defensive player rankings in the near future.With the yardage bonuses I've seen some of these leagues offer in the WSIS/WDID request threads, it would seem to me that you'd just bump every NFL starting DB who is a regular returner to the top of the DB list.

 

[ThePittbully]

I like the Richard Marshall projection, and think he's woefully undervalued in general.

I hope so Im planning on picking him up to replace Darrent Williams

 

[bcr8f]

Where do you have Bethea on the safety ranking?

 

[Jene Bramel]

Where do you have Bethea on the safety ranking?

Haven't done projections for the safeties yet. I'm hoping to get to them tomorrow afternoon-evening. My guess would be that Bethea will end up in a large tier of DB3s. We'll see.

 

[Tick]

Charles Woodson finished 4th among CBs last season. You have him at 37th. I know he had a lot of big plays this season, which are unpredictable... would you comment on him, please?

 

[biggamer3]

Charles Tillman finished only slightly ahead of Jammer in my scoring system, wh y the huge disparity?

 

[Jene Bramel]

Charles Woodson finished 4th among CBs last season. You have him at 37th. I know he had a lot of big plays this season, which are unpredictable... would you comment on him, please?

Very difficult for me to project anything close to another 5 FF/FR, 8 INT, 20 PD season for a guy who's never produced half that in any of his prior seven seasons. Al Harris helps him, but the guys who rely on big play stats for their IDP ranking are extremely volatile. I'd put him higher on a cheatsheet than this raw projection, but he's a Deltha O'Neal, Brian Russell like risk. He's no lock to get even 55 tackles, so he'll need to pick off at least 6 passes to stay in the top 20.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Charles Tillman finished only slightly ahead of Jammer in my scoring system, wh y the huge disparity?

Jammer had a career season last year in every stat column. More tackles than ever (probably due to teams having to throw to keep up with LT2 and the boys) and a career high four picks. Although Drayton Florence wasn't anything special, Jammer's opportunity could see even more of a hit if Antonio Cromartie wins the starting job next year (as I'm guessing the Chargers would like).He's a similar case to Woodson. Do you value him at his career season or his previously established baseline? Grabbing a guy after his career season is a killer. Those who took Deltha O'Neal last season will attest to that. If you're convinced that Jammer will continue at his 70 tackle, 4 interception pace then he's clearly a top ten option. Buyer beware.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

DeAngelo Hall ranked #16?

After watching him last year?

Did you forget the 1 before the 16?