2007 Rookies Ranked (1 Viewer)

[Jeff Pasquino]

Sneak Peek

Again - Standard Disclaimer Applies....

Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3WR, 1 TE, 12 teams

No PPR - Standard FBG Scoring (Performance)

I take a 4 year perspective with Year 1 > Year 2 > Year 3 > Year 4 (roughly 40/30/20/10% but there's no math behind this).

Thought you would like the list. Enjoy.

 

[Jedimaster21]

Not sure who John Norton is, but I like the fact that he is willing to go against the grain with some of his picks. I do, however, think it is a huge mistake for anyone to pass up Peterson with the first pick.

 

[EBF]

Not bad. The only guy who's criminally underrated by you and Norton is Kenny Irons. I'll take him before Henry, Pittman, Booker, and Hunt any day of the week. I mean come on, you guys have Dwayne Wright listed ahead of him. You're apparently placing too much emphasis on the opportunity part of talent vs. opportunity. Irons is one of the top 4 backs from this class and should be drafted accordingly.

 

[comfortably numb]

Sneak Peek

Again - Standard Disclaimer Applies....

Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3WR, 1 TE, 12 teams

No PPR - Standard FBG Scoring (Performance)

I take a 4 year perspective with Year 1 > Year 2 > Year 3 > Year 4 (roughly 40/30/20/10% but there's no math behind this).

Thought you would like the list. Enjoy.

Nice.Is Jarret's ranking reflective of the Keyshawn cut?

 

[Warpig]

Not bad. The only guy who's criminally underrated by you and Norton is Kenny Irons. I'll take him before Henry, Pittman, Booker, and Hunt any day of the week. I mean come on, you guys have Dwayne Wright listed ahead of him. You're apparently placing too much emphasis on the opportunity part of talent vs. opportunity. Irons is one of the top 4 backs from this class and should be drafted accordingly.

And I'm not agreeing with you just because I just drafted Irons. It did seem to me that he ranked people heavier depending on where they landed instead of talent wise. Which is fine because even though Irons may be a better RB than B. Jackson, I think we all knew as soon as he landed in Green Bay he was gonna be a top 5 pick.

 

[tlovyankee]

No Jacoby Jones?????

 

[phthalatemagic]

Wow.... I agree with alot of that list. You must be WAY off.

 

[Wu-banger]

these rankings show how bad Miami screwed up in football fans eyes...

Good Job with the list..!!!

 

[FTRWRTR]

brandon jackson at #8...I don't see him falling that far in rookie drafts

 

[Chaos Commish]

That Norton is a wild and crazy guy. I wanna party with him!

Lynch before Peterson?

Jackson before Calvin?

I think lightning might strike him dead.

 

[Chaos Commish]

The consensus list makes much better sense.

 

[LHUCKS]

I still wont touch Chris Henry with a 10 foot pole.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

No Jacoby Jones?????

Drinen hasn't loaded him yet in the database - great eye though in spotting his lack of presence on the list.He's WR8 for me IIRC.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Thanks for the list.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Not bad. The only guy who's criminally underrated by you and Norton is Kenny Irons. I'll take him before Henry, Pittman, Booker, and Hunt any day of the week. I mean come on, you guys have Dwayne Wright listed ahead of him. You're apparently placing too much emphasis on the opportunity part of talent vs. opportunity. Irons is one of the top 4 backs from this class and should be drafted accordingly.

I'm hearing this a lot (about Irons). I'll tell you I don't know him that well, so educate me on him. This list isn't a be all, end all, so I'll re-evaluate this as we go.I will say, however, that I believe that Irons means the end of Chris Perry, but Rudi is signed thru 2009 and doesn't get hurt. Upside is what - Turner? Stuck for 2-3 years?

 

[supermark_28]

Not bad. The only guy who's criminally underrated by you and Norton is Kenny Irons. I'll take him before Henry, Pittman, Booker, and Hunt any day of the week. I mean come on, you guys have Dwayne Wright listed ahead of him. You're apparently placing too much emphasis on the opportunity part of talent vs. opportunity. Irons is one of the top 4 backs from this class and should be drafted accordingly.

I'm hearing this a lot (about Irons). I'll tell you I don't know him that well, so educate me on him. This list isn't a be all, end all, so I'll re-evaluate this as we go.I will say, however, that I believe that Irons means the end of Chris Perry, but Rudi is signed thru 2009 and doesn't get hurt. Upside is what - Turner? Stuck for 2-3 years?

I know the Senior Bowl isn't exactly the best representation of a body of work but Irons looked really small in that game. I mean,he just doesnt look like an every down back. I agree w/ Jeff, that Irons signals the end for Perry but he appears to be nothing more than a 3rd down back as of now. Prior to Cincy drafting him,he fell to the 2nd round of my rookie draft. EBF,I do agree w/ you,in that I would take him before any of those other rb's (except Booker) but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

[EBF]

Not bad. The only guy who's criminally underrated by you and Norton is Kenny Irons. I'll take him before Henry, Pittman, Booker, and Hunt any day of the week. I mean come on, you guys have Dwayne Wright listed ahead of him. You're apparently placing too much emphasis on the opportunity part of talent vs. opportunity. Irons is one of the top 4 backs from this class and should be drafted accordingly.

I'm hearing this a lot (about Irons). I'll tell you I don't know him that well, so educate me on him. This list isn't a be all, end all, so I'll re-evaluate this as we go.I will say, however, that I believe that Irons means the end of Chris Perry, but Rudi is signed thru 2009 and doesn't get hurt. Upside is what - Turner? Stuck for 2-3 years?

Irons was the third RB drafted after two seasons as a first team All-SEC selection for Auburn. Though a little bit undersized, he's an athletic back who shares some similarities with Cadillac Williams and Clinton Portis. Upside is that he has a chance to become a starter for one of the best offenses in the NFL. Even if he never beats out Rudi or forces a trade, that doesn't mean his career will be over. Guys like Ahman Green and Priest Holmes have gone on to big things after riding the pine behind star backs. Bottom line is that the 3rd-4th best RB in the draft shouldn't be ranked any lower than 15. He's better than Pittman and he's arguably in a better situation. He's MUCH better than Dwayne Wright, and he's in a better situation.

 

[spOOfy]

Why not include Bloom and Chris Smith's rankings in here? They already incorporated the rookies into the dynasty rankings, should be pretty easy. My guess is it is already planned, just thought I'd toss it out there in case.

Good list.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Why not include Bloom and Chris Smith's rankings in here? They already incorporated the rookies into the dynasty rankings, should be pretty easy. My guess is it is already planned, just thought I'd toss it out there in case.Good list.

Ill get mine up. Im currently helping with a legal seminar about mental health and criminal justice, I should get them up. You can find my top 50 O and D mixed at draftguys.

 

[spOOfy]

Oh, and a big jump out to me was your disagreement on Tony Hunt.

 

[EBF]

Not bad. The only guy who's criminally underrated by you and Norton is Kenny Irons. I'll take him before Henry, Pittman, Booker, and Hunt any day of the week. I mean come on, you guys have Dwayne Wright listed ahead of him. You're apparently placing too much emphasis on the opportunity part of talent vs. opportunity. Irons is one of the top 4 backs from this class and should be drafted accordingly.

I'm hearing this a lot (about Irons). I'll tell you I don't know him that well, so educate me on him. This list isn't a be all, end all, so I'll re-evaluate this as we go.I will say, however, that I believe that Irons means the end of Chris Perry, but Rudi is signed thru 2009 and doesn't get hurt. Upside is what - Turner? Stuck for 2-3 years?

I know the Senior Bowl isn't exactly the best representation of a body of work but Irons looked really small in that game. I mean,he just doesnt look like an every down back. I agree w/ Jeff, that Irons signals the end for Perry but he appears to be nothing more than a 3rd down back as of now. Prior to Cincy drafting him,he fell to the 2nd round of my rookie draft. EBF,I do agree w/ you,in that I would take him before any of those other rb's (except Booker) but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Irons is by no means a lock to succeed. I couldn't justify taking him over guys like Meachem, Bowe, and Russell. But once the elite talents are gone, he has to become a serious consideration. At the very least he should be ranked ahead of Pittman and Wright. He's easily a better option than either of those guys. I'd also take him over Booker (less productive, even more undersized, and splitting carries with a young 1st round RB) and Henry (scrub). I think the proper spot for Irons is somewhere between 10-16.

 

[spOOfy]

Why not include Bloom and Chris Smith's rankings in here? They already incorporated the rookies into the dynasty rankings, should be pretty easy. My guess is it is already planned, just thought I'd toss it out there in case.Good list.

Ill get mine up. Im currently helping with a legal seminar about mental health and criminal justice, I should get them up. You can find my top 50 O and D mixed at draftguys.

I figured they were on the way. Thanks for the quick reply.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Not bad. The only guy who's criminally underrated by you and Norton is Kenny Irons. I'll take him before Henry, Pittman, Booker, and Hunt any day of the week. I mean come on, you guys have Dwayne Wright listed ahead of him. You're apparently placing too much emphasis on the opportunity part of talent vs. opportunity. Irons is one of the top 4 backs from this class and should be drafted accordingly.

I'm hearing this a lot (about Irons). I'll tell you I don't know him that well, so educate me on him. This list isn't a be all, end all, so I'll re-evaluate this as we go.I will say, however, that I believe that Irons means the end of Chris Perry, but Rudi is signed thru 2009 and doesn't get hurt. Upside is what - Turner? Stuck for 2-3 years?

I know the Senior Bowl isn't exactly the best representation of a body of work but Irons looked really small in that game. I mean,he just doesnt look like an every down back. I agree w/ Jeff, that Irons signals the end for Perry but he appears to be nothing more than a 3rd down back as of now. Prior to Cincy drafting him,he fell to the 2nd round of my rookie draft. EBF,I do agree w/ you,in that I would take him before any of those other rb's (except Booker) but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Irons is by no means a lock to succeed. I couldn't justify taking him over guys like Meachem, Bowe, and Russell. But once the elite talents are gone, he has to become a serious consideration. At the very least he should be ranked ahead of Pittman and Wright. He's easily a better option than either of those guys. I'd also take him over Booker (less productive, even more undersized, and splitting carries with a young 1st round RB) and Henry (scrub). I think the proper spot for Irons is somewhere between 10-16.

I agree with the whole post except the Booker part. In a PPR, I think Booker has a more consistent return ratio (less likely to bust) than Irons because of his better hands and more experience as a 3rd down/change of pace back. But if you're not risk adverse, I would agree that Irons has the higher ceiling and greater chance of becoming an every down RB.

 

[The Shizzle]

Why not include Bloom and Chris Smith's rankings in here? They already incorporated the rookies into the dynasty rankings, should be pretty easy. My guess is it is already planned, just thought I'd toss it out there in case.

Good list.

Ill get mine up. Im currently helping with a legal seminar about mental health and criminal justice, I should get them up. You can find my top 50 O and D mixed at draftguys.

And this is important? Come on Bloom. I need your list. It was tops in 06'

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Considering this was my first pass at this, if all I really messed up was Irons I'll consider that a success.

Someone asked about Hunt. Hunt = CBuck, so why they drafted another CBuck is beyond me.

The shark move would have been Leonard at 36 then Kolb at 57.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Why not include Bloom and Chris Smith's rankings in here? They already incorporated the rookies into the dynasty rankings, should be pretty easy. My guess is it is already planned, just thought I'd toss it out there in case.

Good list.

Ill get mine up. Im currently helping with a legal seminar about mental health and criminal justice , I should get them up. You can find my top 50 O and D mixed at draftguys.

READ: I just got back from a crazy party and had to use my one phone call from jail to call my lawyer instead of logging in to finish the Bloom 100.

 

[Kleck.]

Not bad. The only guy who's criminally underrated by you and Norton is Kenny Irons. I'll take him before Henry, Pittman, Booker, and Hunt any day of the week. I mean come on, you guys have Dwayne Wright listed ahead of him. You're apparently placing too much emphasis on the opportunity part of talent vs. opportunity. Irons is one of the top 4 backs from this class and should be drafted accordingly.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Considering this was my first pass at this, if all I really messed up was Irons I'll consider that a success.Someone asked about Hunt. Hunt = CBuck, so why they drafted another CBuck is beyond me.The shark move would have been Leonard at 36 then Kolb at 57.

Okay, kidding around aside. It is a nice effort, but this is bothering me on closer inspection. I think you're both way too low on Hill, Davis and Ginn. These WRs are the story in this class. I guess there is a natural inclination to get other positions involved, but this was an unnatural unbalance of talent and rankings should better reflect that. I'm not drafting any of those QBs, TEs and most of those RBs before these three receivers. Hill is a better college player than DJax and Darrell is oft injured. There is a decent chance Hill becomes WR1 on a young explosive 9er team sooner than most think. His shot is far better than Dwayne Wright's and his talent is much higher than Henry's. Same for the other two WRs... exact same.

 

[toxicbees]

I personally think Jarrett is too low. Keyshawn is gone, he's going to start opposite the best WR in the game, which means he'll be open all day. I believe he's got the best hands out of all the WRs in this draft. He deserves to be ranked up with Bowe, Meacham and Rice.

 

[Warpig]

Considering this was my first pass at this, if all I really messed up was Irons I'll consider that a success.

Someone asked about Hunt. Hunt = CBuck, so why they drafted another CBuck is beyond me.

The shark move would have been Leonard at 36 then Kolb at 57.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Considering this was my first pass at this, if all I really messed up was Irons I'll consider that a success.Someone asked about Hunt. Hunt = CBuck, so why they drafted another CBuck is beyond me.The shark move would have been Leonard at 36 then Kolb at 57.

Okay, kidding around aside. It is a nice effort, but this is bothering me on closer inspection. I think you're both way too low on Hill, Davis and Ginn. These WRs are the story in this class. I guess there is a natural inclination to get other positions involved, but this was an unnatural unbalance of talent and rankings should better reflect that. I'm not drafting any of those QBs, TEs and most of those RBs before these three receivers. Hill is a better college player than DJax and Darrell is oft injured. There is a decent chance Hill becomes WR1 on a young explosive 9er team sooner than most think. His shot is far better than Dwayne Wright's and his talent is much higher than Henry's. Same for the other two WRs... exact same.

Hill is the best of the 3 and in a good situation. He does have promise in SF.Davis in San Diego - I don't like any part of that passing game beyond Gates and LT2. Just not much confidence in it (nor do I think they NEED to throw much). The opportunity to be the #1 is there, though, for the taking - VJax isn't insurmountable.Ginn - Pure speed and a return specialist (and he's STILL hurt). Also the QB situation isn't resolved.All 3 are Top 30 on my list - I think that's fair.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I personally think Jarrett is too low. Keyshawn is gone, he's going to start opposite the best WR in the game, which means he'll be open all day. I believe he's got the best hands out of all the WRs in this draft. He deserves to be ranked up with Bowe, Meacham and Rice.

Drew Carter.

 

[KING]

if you put someone on there with a least half a brain, instead of john norton. you might have some results you could actully use.

 

[switz]

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

Brandon Jackson getting a 3 rating

 

[EBF]

Considering this was my first pass at this, if all I really messed up was Irons I'll consider that a success.Someone asked about Hunt. Hunt = CBuck, so why they drafted another CBuck is beyond me.The shark move would have been Leonard at 36 then Kolb at 57.

Okay, kidding around aside. It is a nice effort, but this is bothering me on closer inspection. I think you're both way too low on Hill, Davis and Ginn. These WRs are the story in this class. I guess there is a natural inclination to get other positions involved, but this was an unnatural unbalance of talent and rankings should better reflect that. I'm not drafting any of those QBs, TEs and most of those RBs before these three receivers. Hill is a better college player than DJax and Darrell is oft injured. There is a decent chance Hill becomes WR1 on a young explosive 9er team sooner than most think. His shot is far better than Dwayne Wright's and his talent is much higher than Henry's. Same for the other two WRs... exact same.

Hill is the best of the 3 and in a good situation. He does have promise in SF.Davis in San Diego - I don't like any part of that passing game beyond Gates and LT2. Just not much confidence in it (nor do I think they NEED to throw much). The opportunity to be the #1 is there, though, for the taking - VJax isn't insurmountable.Ginn - Pure speed and a return specialist (and he's STILL hurt). Also the QB situation isn't resolved.All 3 are Top 30 on my list - I think that's fair.

In general, I think you tend to put a little too much emphasis on situation. Talented players have a habit of carving out productive niches. I think you have to factor that into dynasty rankings.

 

[Warpig]

Considering this was my first pass at this, if all I really messed up was Irons I'll consider that a success.Someone asked about Hunt. Hunt = CBuck, so why they drafted another CBuck is beyond me.The shark move would have been Leonard at 36 then Kolb at 57.

Okay, kidding around aside. It is a nice effort, but this is bothering me on closer inspection. I think you're both way too low on Hill, Davis and Ginn. These WRs are the story in this class. I guess there is a natural inclination to get other positions involved, but this was an unnatural unbalance of talent and rankings should better reflect that. I'm not drafting any of those QBs, TEs and most of those RBs before these three receivers. Hill is a better college player than DJax and Darrell is oft injured. There is a decent chance Hill becomes WR1 on a young explosive 9er team sooner than most think. His shot is far better than Dwayne Wright's and his talent is much higher than Henry's. Same for the other two WRs... exact same.

Hill is the best of the 3 and in a good situation. He does have promise in SF.Davis in San Diego - I don't like any part of that passing game beyond Gates and LT2. Just not much confidence in it (nor do I think they NEED to throw much). The opportunity to be the #1 is there, though, for the taking - VJax isn't insurmountable.Ginn - Pure speed and a return specialist (and he's STILL hurt). Also the QB situation isn't resolved.All 3 are Top 30 on my list - I think that's fair.

In general, I think you tend to put a little too much emphasis on situation. Talented players have a habit of carving out productive niches. I think you have to factor that into dynasty rankings.

Try convincing Rudnicki of this.

 

[KING]

also, whats wrong with meachem? widely considered as the 2nd best receiver on the board pre-draft, and landed on perhaps the perfect team for him. all he has to do is bet out devery henderson to start. who couldn't do that?

 

[Chaos Commish]

Ginn - Pure speed and a return specialist (and he's STILL hurt). Also the QB situation isn't resolved.

This is an error I debunked predraft in Baca's thread titled Ted Ginn. Ginn is a great prospect at WR. He was outproducing Holmes at the end of his sophomore year while being constantly double covere... er... uh, nevermind. He's a kick returner. My draft is this weekend. Why do you have a kick returner in your top 30?

 

[Gottabesweet]

Troy Smith at 20?

 

[EBF]

Looking at the consensus list from Dowling, Pasquino, and Norton, these are the worst rankings:

5. Sidney Rice - Meachem and Bowe are higher picks in similar situations.

16. Antonio Pittman - Mediocre back stuck behind one or two elite talents. Talent + opportunity = pass. Not a chance I'd take him over Greg Olsen, Craig Davis, Ted Ginn, Kenny Irons, or Steve Smith. Bump him down 5-10 spots.

19. Kenny Irons - The RB3 in the draft and not a single staff member has him ranked higher than 17. That's bad. The last ten guys to be taken as the third RB in the draft: DeAngelo Williams, Cadillac Williams, Kevin Jones, Musa Smith, DeShaun Foster, Michael Bennett, Ron Dayne, JJ Johnson, Robert Edwards, and Tiki Barber. Irons wasn't drafted as high as the best from this bunch, but he's worth far more than the 19th pick.

21. Brian Leonard - A fullback over potential 1,000 yard receivers Craig Davis, Ted Ginn, and Steve Smith? No thanks. I know Leonard is a good runner, but you almost have to think Alstott is the best case scenario. Alstott was really never more than an FF backup. I'd rather gamble on a WR.

23. Ted Ginn - Do you guys know something we don't? I agree that there's some bust risk here, but I just don't see how Ginn can be so widely disregarded. Yes, he reminds a little bit of Williamson, but I also think he has a chance to be another Galloway. I'll be doing cartwheels if I can get him with the #23 pick.

 

[KING]

Troy Smith at 20?

how about tony hunt at #5?

 

[Kit Fisto]

Not sure who John Norton is, but I like the fact that he is willing to go against the grain with some of his picks. I do, however, think it is a huge mistake for anyone to pass up Peterson with the first pick.

Actually, I was just replacing last years FBG rankings with printouts of THIS years dynasty rankings, and I noticed a little side note I wrote on the page... FBGs rankings I believe in: Bob Henry, Jason Wood, Colin Dowling

FBGs rankings I don't believe in: John Norton

I can admire a guy for taking chances, but I just find Norton to be all over the map.

I mean Brandon Jackson #3? Tony Hunt #5?

 

[JayMan]

[...]Im currently helping with a legal seminar about mental health and criminal justice

I wonder which one is for Cecil and which one is for Jeff?...

 

[KING]

[...]Im currently helping with a legal seminar about mental health and criminal justice

I wonder which one is for Cecil and which one is for Jeff?...

huh?

 

[Grimmett]

 

[switz]

brandon jackson at #8...I don't see him falling that far in rookie drafts

he should have fallen farther!PetersonLynchBoweJohnsonLRobinsonRiceTEdwards... just off the top of my head, were all better, and there are other players that look more promising for the future...

 

[beto]

What's going on with James Jones? He started the year well but has fizzled lately.

 

[Buckna]

Wonder how many people are kicking themselves for taking Calvin Johnson over Peterson now.

 

[Tom Baker]

Won the title game with Lynch in my lineup. Would've lost the title game with ADXWHDP Peterson in my lineup instead. Just saying . . .

 

[kevinray]

brandon jackson at #8...I don't see him falling that far in rookie drafts

he should have fallen farther!PetersonLynchBoweJohnsonLRobinsonRiceTEdwards... just off the top of my head, were all better, and there are other players that look more promising for the future...

Win some loose some. Morency's prospects aren't that awesome at the moment either. At least the Packers will probably keep Jackson around hopping he'll progress. Morency's falling to obscurity pretty fast at the moment.