2008 Rookie Rankings PreDraft (1 Viewer)

[Maroney=Speed]

Man, the McFadden hate is ridiculous. I think like 8 of 10 lists here have him as #2 or lower.

What I see is a Mayock make a statement rankings. Hate on the best guy, if your right you look great. If your wrong no one will remember. Only thing wrong is, guys come alittle closer. I don't want anyone to hear this. You posted it on a site, that we all know who said what. It's easy there's not many on here who has McFadden #1.Matter of fact, maybe we should just post who doesn't have McFadden #1. I'll start the list, and update it as we go. Just for starters: Bloom- ConstruxBoy(John)- EBF- Bob Henry- Has nothing to do with hate, just want to make sure,when we look back we have a easy way to find the answer. Cookiemonster- FavreCo- - Matter of fact He has McFadden at #4. zadok- - Matter of fact He has McFadden at #5.Jedimaster21- So keep the rankings coming.

That's all fine and dandy. I dont' mind someone keeping track of my prognostications and it'd save me the work of looking up all my old posts. I'm curious as to how accurate I've gotten to be over the last couple years. Don't be afraid to post updades of your predictions as well. You have a way of putting your opinions out there that is a little abrasive and have gotten quite a few of us riled up, and many more who just wish you'd go away. I'd like to see (say at the end of the year) who has more staying power in the ranknigs of "who on this board is worth listening to."

I will say this, we won't see any more rook rankings. Too many will be scared to post there's now.But at least we have(Cookiemonster).

 

[zadok]

zadok- - Matter of fact He has McFadden at #5.

I'm sorry if my honest opinion saddens you. I see Mendenhall, Stewart and Rice as more complete RBs. Jones' ability as a kick returner gives him a slight edge as well. McFadden may be the most explosive, that doesn't make him the best. IMHO.

Note- You have McFadden ranked lower than anyone else, time will tell.

I have been wrong before. I have been right before. This is guaranteed to be one of those times.

 

[Burning Sensation]

So, I'm not sure how ranking McFadden #2 is considered "hate". It's an evaluation process, pure and simple. I don't really hate or love any players. I do, however, use all of the information available to make an informed decision with a little bit of gut instinct and intuition, as I believe everyone does. By the same logic, I didn't have Devin Thomas as my WR1 2 months ago. I live in Michigan, too. I know the kid's game and have seen him play enough that you'd think I would've had him there from the beginning. Not so. The truth is that I've had at LEAST 3-4 different players atop my WR rankings at different times since January. Each of them I've dropped for various reasons and it's come down to the fact that Thomas is the last man standing. It's more of a statement to the group of WRs in this year's draft than any man love I have for Thomas.Not ranking McFadden #1 does not equal player hate.

If you like McFadden that much then you should be happy to see all the "hate" because maybe that means he'll drop to you.

As the owner of multiple 1.2 and 1.3 picks, i am hoping Mayock and all his followers keep up the "hate".

 

[EBF]

Almost every top RB in the NFL has a strong base. From the speed backs like Tomlinson and MJD down to the power backs like Rudi and Gore. All of these guys have monster thighs. You could say it's one of the few required traits for the position since the players who lack this trait seemingly have a tough time succeeding at the pro level.

I think this particular shortcoming will be McFadden's downfall. His speed and burst hypnotize people, but he flat out isn't built for the task of being an elite 330+ carry NFL RB. His base is pretty weak for a top flight RB prospect and he consequently doesn't run with the authority of a Rudi or MJD. The best pro RB's have the leg drive to punish defenders, deflect contact, and always fall forward. I don't see that with DMC.

I think what he'll end up becoming is a high-priced RBBC guy who breaks some nasty long runs and makes some major contributions to his team's offense, but never becomes the elite franchise back he's touted as.

I certainly don't think it's sacrelige to question his merits just because he's well-liked by the NFL and draft pundits. He has some legitimate flaws and is far from a prototypical RB prospect.

 

[rzrback77]

I also think Adrian Arrington has the "it" factor that you look for at the position. He's not the fastest or most explosive receiver, but he jumps off the screen at you. Decent sleeper if he can stay out of trouble. He might be an even bigger clown than Manningham though. Malcolm Kelly is still my WR2 behind Thomas despite his horrible offseason. The tape doesn't lie.

As a Michigan fan, I think both have good skills but I'm in agreement. Not sure which one is the bigger clown, but both have tendencies that go in that general direction. Both players have high ceilings, but I wouldn't be surprised to see both squander whatever opportunities they get. I agree on Kelly (and Thomas) though.. I was very impressed with Kelly from what I've seen on the field. The kid also has some decent rap skills. I'll post my rankings later when I get home this evening.

Unanticipated dinner with the inlaws last night. Such is life with a newborn. Everyone wants to see her. I'll post them THIS evening though..

Get used to it. I have a 17 month old and I swear people don't even know I'm there when they visit anymore.

 

[gheemony]

Put me down for a NO in the McFadden #1 RB poll.

Tell me how we decide whether we are right or not. For example, if we had a list of those that didn't have Bush @ #1 two years ago, are they right? Wrong? Undecided?

1. Stewart

2. Mendenhall

3. McFadde

4. Rice (could drop based on situation)

5. Depends on situation: Jones, Forte, Smith, Charles, Johnson, Omon)

 

[Almas_4th_Child]

Were did you have J.Stewart, two months ago? Why did you move Him down? Anything to do with my write ups? As JohnnyU would say (Just saying)? I find it very interesting.

No offense Maroney, but i'm fairly certain to one has ever changed their rankings due to your "write ups"

I read this 3 times, I still can't figure out what you were trying to say?

I don't want to speak for someone else, but I can say that I personally don't value your opinion enough to let your "write ups" change my rankings one iota. Just because you have a very strong opinions and you state them often and loudly doesn't make them any better than mine. I am not aware of your track history as far as predicting NFL success and I am turned off by the way you cannot take any criticism of your "write ups" (aka: message board posts.)I am going to be adding you to my ignore list as well. So don't bother asking about my top 5 RBs or where I have Jonathan Stewart.Have a nice life.

If you noticed I never ask you. I don't think much of your knowledge. I bet, you will be PMing me like others do for advice. Not once have I posted that on here, and when you PM me, I still won't. So I will welcome your pm's and I will not rub it in your face when you do. So until then, good luck too you.

Maroney....I'll have a bet with you about the rookie RB's or the rookie class either b4 or after the draft.

 

[domvin]

I'll be looking for maroney's latest rankings after he puts his mirror down

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

It's easy there's not many on here who has McFadden #1.

Matter of fact, maybe we should just post who doesn't have McFadden #1. I'll start the list, and update it as we go.

Craig_MiamiFL - no

My opinion on the best college RB NFL prospect hasn't changed since October last year. I just happen to be an alum and got the pleasure of seeing him every week last year.http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...p;hl=Mendenhall

And I'll continue to have him #1. It's not hating on McFadden for me at all. I just believe Mendenhall is better.

 

[Bob Henry]

Almost every top RB in the NFL has a strong base. From the speed backs like Tomlinson and MJD down to the power backs like Rudi and Gore. All of these guys have monster thighs. You could say it's one of the few required traits for the position since the players who lack this trait seemingly have a tough time succeeding at the pro level. I think this particular shortcoming will be McFadden's downfall. His speed and burst hypnotize people, but he flat out isn't built for the task of being an elite 330+ carry NFL RB. His base is pretty weak for a top flight RB prospect and he consequently doesn't run with the authority of a Rudi or MJD. The best pro RB's have the leg drive to punish defenders, deflect contact, and always fall forward. I don't see that with DMC. I think what he'll end up becoming is a high-priced RBBC guy who breaks some nasty long runs and makes some major contributions to his team's offense, but never becomes the elite franchise back he's touted as. I certainly don't think it's sacrelige to question his merits just because he's well-liked by the NFL and draft pundits. He has some legitimate flaws and is far from a prototypical RB prospect.

It's not like I dislike McFadden at all. He'll probably be a good pro player who can do a lot of different things for his team and make big plays from the backfield, slot, split out, etc. Like EBF states, I, too, have a difficult time projecting him to 300+ carries. He may be a 150 to 200 carry guy with 40+ receptions. I think Mendenhall and Stewart, in particular, could be 300+ carry RBs with decent receptions stats to boot. I was very impressed with their play this past season. My primary concern with Mendenhall has more to do with the offense he was in (which can also be said for Stewart). The spread is a great offense for a RB, but it makes it a little more dicey when evaluating them for the NFL, where they won't have nearly as much room to operate unless they end up somewhere like New England.

 

[Biabreakable]

bump.

Any of you have time to post a average ranking from the lists given here?

Looking for some sort of ADP data as my league ushually picks very early.. within one week after the NFL draft most years.

I don't have any 1st round picks (yet) this year due to last season trading. But I am curious nonetheless.

Debating posting my rankings here.. but trade possibilities still in play so I dont want to risk it yet.

 

[Don't Noonan]

Man, the McFadden hate is ridiculous. I think like 8 of 10 lists here have him as #2 or lower.

What I see is a Mayock make a statement rankings. Hate on the best guy, if your right you look great. If your wrong no one will remember. Only thing wrong is, guys come alittle closer. I don't want anyone to hear this. You posted it on a site, that we all know who said what. It's easy there's not many on here who has McFadden #1.

Matter of fact, maybe we should just post who doesn't have McFadden #1. I'll start the list, and update it as we go.

Just for starters:

switz- no. Matter of fact He has McFadden at #4. You still stand by these rankings?

dmac37: no. You still stand by these rankings?

Mayock- no. Has Mendenhall, for now anyways. 4/17/08

Bloom- no.

ConstruxBoy(John)- no

EBF- no

Bob Henry- no Has nothing to do with hate, just want to make sure,when we look back we have a easy way to find the answer.

Cookiemonster- no

FavreCo- no - Matter of fact He has McFadden at #4.

zadok- no - Matter of fact He has McFadden at #5.

Jedimaster21- no

Almas_4th_Child- no

gheemony - no

FUBAR- no

loose circuits - no

JohnnyU - no

Craig_MiamiFL - no

Ned - no

redman -

Wildman - no

Andy Dufresne- no

coolnerd- no

rabidfireweasel- no

Football Jones- no

{Syrus}- no

The Scientist - Matter of fact He has McFadden at #4.

Brutis- no

kethnaab- no

JimboJim - no

So keep the rankings coming.

Now I see why you are hating on Stewart. Exept everyone will be posting here when you are dead wrong.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I certainly don't think it's sacrelige to question his merits just because he's well-liked by the NFL and draft pundits. He has some legitimate flaws and is far from a prototypical RB prospect.

I think those who don't rank McFadden atop the RB board are very high in number among paid pundits, common draftniks, and online experts (and apparently NFL teams too). McFadden was anointed by the media early in the process, but that has faded in dramatic fashion with all his flaws being exposed and accepted more frequently the closer we get. Certainly there's no sacrilege in questioning him. It's common. At this point, it seems McFadden is one of the prospects most commonly predicted to bust. It's almost become a sacrilege to think he's going to be great by ignoring the mass of opinion that thinks he's a fraud. I'm picking it up just about everywhere. Even an old friend (a Raider fan) I barely keep contact with just wrote me a long, almost angry, anti-McFadden opinion this weekend. He's a sharp observer of the SEC too. He ranks McFadden "maybe 4th" behind the other two and Rice. McFadden fans vs doubters are very evenly split on the NFL Network and ESPN with an obvious, though slight, majority in the doubter category. The point is, you cannot honestly say doubting McFadden is going against the grain of groupthink at this point. You and Bloom and Matt and Construx and Bob and... and and and and... aren't exactly the minority some of the doubters like to portray themselves as. The groupthink is split. McFadden is no consensus #1. Many expect him to be very disappointing. That is one of the most common opinions out there.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Man, the McFadden hate is ridiculous. I think like 8 of 10 lists here have him as #2 or lower.

What I see is a Mayock make a statement rankings. Hate on the best guy, if your right you look great. If your wrong no one will remember. Only thing wrong is, guys come alittle closer. I don't want anyone to hear this. You posted it on a site, that we all know who said what. It's easy there's not many on here who has McFadden #1.Matter of fact, maybe we should just post who doesn't have McFadden #1. I'll start the list, and update it as we go. Just for starters: switz- no. Matter of fact He has McFadden at #4. You still stand by these rankings? dmac37: no. You still stand by these rankings? Mayock- no. Has Mendenhall, for now anyways. 4/17/08Bloom- no. ConstruxBoy(John)- noEBF- noBob Henry- no Has nothing to do with hate, just want to make sure,when we look back we have a easy way to find the answer. Cookiemonster- no FavreCo- no - Matter of fact He has McFadden at #4. zadok- no - Matter of fact He has McFadden at #5.Jedimaster21- no Almas_4th_Child- no gheemony - no FUBAR- no loose circuits - noJohnnyU - no Craig_MiamiFL - no Ned - no redman - Wildman - no coolnerd- no rabidfireweasel- no Football Jones- no {Syrus}- no The Scientist - Matter of fact He has McFadden at #4.Brutis- no kethnaab- no JimboJim - noYitbos69- no,McFadden ranked #3. So keep the rankings coming.

Added Yitbos69, removed Andy(again my bad).

 

[reg]

Ideally, I get Rice as he slips in the NFL draft and thus FF drafts, Henne in ATL to pair with Laurent Robinson and Simpson goes to Cincinnati where I scoop him up with one of my 3 - 2nd rd picks.

Hardy drafted by NYG to help Eli would help immensely.

Nice call. :thumbsup:

 

[MAC_32]

Jonathon Stewart

Darren McFadden

Rashard Mendenhall

=============

Ray Rice

Chris Johnson

Matt Forte

Kevin Smith

=============

Mike Hart

Felix Jones

Ryan Torain

=============

Jamaal Charles

Jacob Hester

Jalen Parmele

Justin Forsett

Xavier Omon

Ben Jarvus Green Ellis

Tashard Choice

=============

Cory Boyd

Tim Hightower

Thomas Brown

Chauncey Washington

Alley Broussard

 

[MAC_32]

QB

Chad Henne

Brian Brohm

Matt Ryan

============

Josh Johnson

Joe Flacco

John David Booty

============

Dennis Dixon

Andre Woodson

Kevin O'Connell

Colt Brennan

 

[MAC_32]

WR

Jordy Nelson

James Hardy

Donnie Avery

Earl Bennett

Early Doucet

=============

Lavelle Hawkins

Mario Manningham

Jerome Simpson

Malcom Kelly

Devin Thomas

DeSean Jackson

=============

Andre Caldwell

Limas Sweed

=============

Danny Amendola

Keenan Burton

Jaymar Johnson

Eddie Royal

Will Franklin

 

[MAC_32]

TE

Dustin Keller

Martin Rucker

============

Jacob Tamme

Brad Cottam

Martellius Bennett

============

Jermichael Finley

John Carlson

Fred Davis

Mike Peterson