2011 Draft in jeopardy (1 Viewer)

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Players' antitrust suit challenges NFL draft The NFL players' lawsuit in a U.S. district court is seeking declaration that the NFL draft violates antitrust laws.

Von Miller is a plaintiff in the suit, and it's not crazy to think this could hurt his draft stock. The draft is just one of the many things the players' suit challenges, also including the franchise tag, the owners' forthcoming lockout, and probably restricted free agent tenders. All along, we've been under the assumption that the draft was the only thing set in stone for the 2011 offseason. Now, it's questionable whether it's going to happen.

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/201712/players-antitrust-suit-challenges-nfl-draft

If there isn't a 2011 draft I assume dynasty leagues will draft anyway and have to deal with the fact they don't know who is on what team. No way do I want to get into that loop of 2011 picks moves to 2012, 2012 moves 2013, 2013 moves to 2014, etc. You have to be fair to teams invested in picks for a particular year, whether that's 2011, 2012, or 2013.

 

[hooptd]

Like someone already said, F the players. I'm rooting for the owners all the way. The NFLPA never had serious intentions of reaching an agreement during the negotiations.

 

[moderated]

Like someone already said, F the players. I'm rooting for the owners all the way. The NFLPA never had serious intentions of reaching an agreement during the negotiations.

i've lost all respect for the players.GO OWNERS

 

[Cripster]

I didn't think the suit was going to block the draft. I thought it was going to block the cap.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Like someone already said, F the players. I'm rooting for the owners all the way. The NFLPA never had serious intentions of reaching an agreement during the negotiations.

i've lost all respect for the players.GO OWNERS

Right. If you were a player, you would have quickly agreed to give a billion dollars back to the owners.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I was kind of hoping this thread would be about the draft and what dynasty leagues are doing with this year's picks and future picks.

 

[rustycolts]

I was kind of hoping this thread would be about the draft and what dynasty leagues are doing with this year's picks and future picks.

Everybody may have to go to auctions.

 

[eaglesfan7]

I was kind of hoping this thread would be about the draft and what dynasty leagues are doing with this year's picks and future picks.

We already decided in our leagues that we aren't changing anything. Draft position stays the same for 2012 if we don't have a season, even if we draft the startup. In rookie drafts it's the same way, but we will add rounds.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I was kind of hoping this thread would be about the draft and what dynasty leagues are doing with this year's picks and future picks.

Everybody may have to go to auctions.

Nope, that's not an option because teams traded for these picks and must be able to use them. I know I would quit any league that took that away from me.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I was kind of hoping this thread would be about the draft and what dynasty leagues are doing with this year's picks and future picks.

We already decided in our leagues that we aren't changing anything. Draft position stays the same for 2012 if we don't have a season, even if we draft the startup. In rookie drafts it's the same way, but we will add rounds.

I think the only solution is to have a dynasty 2011 draft whether the NFL does or not. Otherwise you open a big can of worms that you don't want to for future years and traded picks and what's fair to those who are heavly invested in a particular year.

 

[rustycolts]

I was kind of hoping this thread would be about the draft and what dynasty leagues are doing with this year's picks and future picks.

We already decided in our leagues that we aren't changing anything. Draft position stays the same for 2012 if we don't have a season, even if we draft the startup. In rookie drafts it's the same way, but we will add rounds.

I think the only solution is to have a dynasty 2011 draft whether the NFL does or not.

So what happens if drafts are declared illegal?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Pretty sure the 2011 draft is going to go on as planned... believe it was covered under the old CBA.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I was kind of hoping this thread would be about the draft and what dynasty leagues are doing with this year's picks and future picks.

We already decided in our leagues that we aren't changing anything. Draft position stays the same for 2012 if we don't have a season, even if we draft the startup. In rookie drafts it's the same way, but we will add rounds.

I think the only solution is to have a dynasty 2011 draft whether the NFL does or not.

So what happens if drafts are declared illegal?

I think you have a dynasty draft anyway for 2011. I guarantee you they won't be illegal in future years, but if they were I would expect leagues would still have a draft. Business as usual.

 

[Orange Crush]

Players' antitrust suit challenges NFL draft The NFL players' lawsuit in a U.S. district court is seeking declaration that the NFL draft violates antitrust laws.

Von Miller is a plaintiff in the suit, and it's not crazy to think this could hurt his draft stock. The draft is just one of the many things the players' suit challenges, also including the franchise tag, the owners' forthcoming lockout, and probably restricted free agent tenders. All along, we've been under the assumption that the draft was the only thing set in stone for the 2011 offseason. Now, it's questionable whether it's going to happen.

http://www.rotoworld...enges-nfl-draft

If there isn't a 2011 draft I assume dynasty leagues will draft anyway and have to deal with the fact they don't know who is on what team.

I'm pretty sure Liz Mullen was mistaken here.

 

[daveR]

I was kind of hoping this thread would be about the draft and what dynasty leagues are doing with this year's picks and future picks.

Crap!I just got a note from my lawyer saying that Drew Brees filed a lawsuit demanding that I release him & make him a UFA.

 

[Orange Crush]

Players' antitrust suit challenges NFL draft The NFL players' lawsuit in a U.S. district court is seeking declaration that the NFL draft violates antitrust laws.

Von Miller is a plaintiff in the suit, and it's not crazy to think this could hurt his draft stock. The draft is just one of the many things the players' suit challenges, also including the franchise tag, the owners' forthcoming lockout, and probably restricted free agent tenders. All along, we've been under the assumption that the draft was the only thing set in stone for the 2011 offseason. Now, it's questionable whether it's going to happen.

http://www.rotoworld...enges-nfl-draft

If there isn't a 2011 draft I assume dynasty leagues will draft anyway and have to deal with the fact they don't know who is on what team.

I'm pretty sure Liz Mullen was mistaken here.

Yep, she was wrong.http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/11/von-millers-addition-to-antitrust-suit-focuses-on-rookie-salary-cap/

 

[No Way Jose]

Players' antitrust suit challenges NFL draft The NFL players' lawsuit in a U.S. district court is seeking declaration that the NFL draft violates antitrust laws.

Von Miller is a plaintiff in the suit, and it's not crazy to think this could hurt his draft stock. The draft is just one of the many things the players' suit challenges, also including the franchise tag, the owners' forthcoming lockout, and probably restricted free agent tenders. All along, we've been under the assumption that the draft was the only thing set in stone for the 2011 offseason. Now, it's questionable whether it's going to happen.

http://www.rotoworld...enges-nfl-draft

If there isn't a 2011 draft I assume dynasty leagues will draft anyway and have to deal with the fact they don't know who is on what team.

I'm pretty sure Liz Mullen was mistaken here.

Yep, she was wrong.http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/11/von-millers-addition-to-antitrust-suit-focuses-on-rookie-salary-cap/

Doh!

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Who in the hell is Liz Mullen?

 

[zadok]

The NFL draft is happening, 100% guaranteed - not in jeopardy whatsoever. It has nothing to do with a players union etc. The only differences will be no trades involving players (picks for picks only), and the matter of signing the players after the draft will be up in the air.

 

[Orange Crush]

Who in the hell is Liz Mullen?

A reporter for the Sports Business Daily who covers the NFL. She's very well respected - just made an assumption here and tweeted about it before getting confirmation. Your RotoWorld link listed her tweet as its source.

 

[cobalt_27]

Players' antitrust suit challenges NFL draft The NFL players' lawsuit in a U.S. district court is seeking declaration that the NFL draft violates antitrust laws.Von Miller is a plaintiff in the suit, and it's not crazy to think this could hurt his draft stock.

Good. It better. That would make my day.

 

[David Dodds]

Players' antitrust suit challenges NFL draft The NFL players' lawsuit in a U.S. district court is seeking declaration that the NFL draft violates antitrust laws.Von Miller is a plaintiff in the suit, and it's not crazy to think this could hurt his draft stock.

Good. It better. That would make my day.

If there is no CBA, why shouldn't rookies be able to negotiate the best possible deals with any of the clubs? I understand you don't want it to be like that, but that's not my question.I can't imagine any other profession where all the employers of such talent get to bid on my services and I have no say where I choose to work. You are a hotshot computer programmer...well too bad because we are shipping you off to work with XYZ corp instead of Apple.My understanding on all of this though is there will be the draft this year. The lawsuit will just challenge the rookie salary cap and not the draft this year. If this process goes into next year though, I am pretty sure the draft will be challenged. and with no CBA, it's a given that players will be able to negotiate their own contracts right out of school.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Players' antitrust suit challenges NFL draft The NFL players' lawsuit in a U.S. district court is seeking declaration that the NFL draft violates antitrust laws.Von Miller is a plaintiff in the suit, and it's not crazy to think this could hurt his draft stock.

Good. It better. That would make my day.

And if it does happen, the NFL will lose yet another lawsuit in court. Because that's completely illegal.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

A friend of mine who works for the NFL said that the draft will happen regardless of lockout.

 

[cobalt_27]

Players' antitrust suit challenges NFL draft The NFL players' lawsuit in a U.S. district court is seeking declaration that the NFL draft violates antitrust laws.Von Miller is a plaintiff in the suit, and it's not crazy to think this could hurt his draft stock.

Good. It better. That would make my day.

And if it does happen, the NFL will lose yet another lawsuit in court. Because that's completely illegal.

If it's a conspiracy and discussion amongst teams (i.e., collusion), sure. But, that's not what happens. Players' stock drops all the time due to character concerns. Good luck litigating that with each team that takes a pass on him.

 

[cobalt_27]

Players' antitrust suit challenges NFL draft The NFL players' lawsuit in a U.S. district court is seeking declaration that the NFL draft violates antitrust laws.Von Miller is a plaintiff in the suit, and it's not crazy to think this could hurt his draft stock.

Good. It better. That would make my day.

If there is no CBA, why shouldn't rookies be able to negotiate the best possible deals with any of the clubs? I understand you don't want it to be like that, but that's not my question.I can't imagine any other profession where all the employers of such talent get to bid on my services and I have no say where I choose to work. You are a hotshot computer programmer...well too bad because we are shipping you off to work with XYZ corp instead of Apple.My understanding on all of this though is there will be the draft this year. The lawsuit will just challenge the rookie salary cap and not the draft this year. If this process goes into next year though, I am pretty sure the draft will be challenged. and with no CBA, it's a given that players will be able to negotiate their own contracts right out of school.

Judge Doty has already ruled on the importance of having parity (and i think he even referenced the draft) in regard to professional sports leagues. I don't have the specific link or language. But, this is not like applying for a job at IBM. Every major sports league has a draft and for good reason. The draft isn't going away. The courts have already--and will continue to--acknowledge its importance in the context of a pro sports league.

 

[Orange Crush]

Judge Doty has already ruled on the importance of having parity (and i think he even referenced the draft) in regard to professional sports leagues. I don't have the specific link or language. But, this is not like applying for a job at IBM. Every major sports league has a draft and for good reason. The draft isn't going away. The courts have already--and will continue to--acknowledge its importance in the context of a pro sports league.

I think the quote was in the context of how important it is for the owners and players to come to an agreement outside of court. Because inside the courtroom, the owners are going to lose and lose badly on this.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Judge Doty has already ruled on the importance of having parity (and i think he even referenced the draft) in regard to professional sports leagues. I don't have the specific link or language. But, this is not like applying for a job at IBM. Every major sports league has a draft and for good reason. The draft isn't going away. The courts have already--and will continue to--acknowledge its importance in the context of a pro sports league.

I think the quote was in the context of how important it is for the owners and players to come to an agreement outside of court. Because inside the courtroom, the owners are going to lose and lose badly on this.

Not with regards to the draft they won't.

 

[Orange Crush]

Judge Doty has already ruled on the importance of having parity (and i think he even referenced the draft) in regard to professional sports leagues. I don't have the specific link or language. But, this is not like applying for a job at IBM. Every major sports league has a draft and for good reason. The draft isn't going away. The courts have already--and will continue to--acknowledge its importance in the context of a pro sports league.

I think the quote was in the context of how important it is for the owners and players to come to an agreement outside of court. Because inside the courtroom, the owners are going to lose and lose badly on this.

Not with regards to the draft they won't.

If you're referring to the 2011 draft, you're right, because it was agreed to in the last CBA. If you're referring to any future drafts, you're wrong. The rookie draft is just about the clearest antitrust violation of all of the NFL's actions. It's the very definition of a group boycott.

 

[Bossman]

I think the draft will go on as planned but just for the sake of discussion...

If there were no draft, how would the rookies be placed on teams if the new CBA is completed by August?

They're not coming in as free agents that's for sure. There will have to be a 2011 draft as some point.

If there is no draft and no NFL season, wouldn't the NFL just have 2 seperate rookie drafts next year?

No way they would lump this rookie crop in with the next one.

Dynasty league draft picks for this year should just follow this years rookies. It's not hard to figure out.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Judge Doty has already ruled on the importance of having parity (and i think he even referenced the draft) in regard to professional sports leagues. I don't have the specific link or language. But, this is not like applying for a job at IBM. Every major sports league has a draft and for good reason. The draft isn't going away. The courts have already--and will continue to--acknowledge its importance in the context of a pro sports league.

I think the quote was in the context of how important it is for the owners and players to come to an agreement outside of court. Because inside the courtroom, the owners are going to lose and lose badly on this.

Not with regards to the draft they won't.

If you're referring to the 2011 draft, you're right, because it was agreed to in the last CBA. If you're referring to any future drafts, you're wrong. The rookie draft is just about the clearest antitrust violation of all of the NFL's actions. It's the very definition of a group boycott.

As usual, Orange Crush is correct.The owners don't want the NFLPA to go away because if it does then all sorts of ugliness can occur due to potential antitrust suits. The owners want a CBA because they can have non-free market actions like a draft that wouldn't be permissible in a free market situation. A CBA is their friend, as much as they hate it.

 

[Riffraff]

Players' antitrust suit challenges NFL draft The NFL players' lawsuit in a U.S. district court is seeking declaration that the NFL draft violates antitrust laws.

Von Miller is a plaintiff in the suit, and it's not crazy to think this could hurt his draft stock.

Good. It better. That would make my day.

If there is no CBA, why shouldn't rookies be able to negotiate the best possible deals with any of the clubs? I understand you don't want it to be like that, but that's not my question.I can't imagine any other profession where all the employers of such talent get to bid on my services and I have no say where I choose to work. You are a hotshot computer programmer...well too bad because we are shipping you off to work with XYZ corp instead of Apple.

My understanding on all of this though is there will be the draft this year. The lawsuit will just challenge the rookie salary cap and not the draft this year. If this process goes into next year though, I am pretty sure the draft will be challenged. and with no CBA, it's a given that players will be able to negotiate their own contracts right out of school.

I see the bolded as: All the draftees are applying to the company "National Football League," but they don't get to pick which department (NFL team) they work for. Much like a hotshot computer programmer straight out of college may be hired into a gaming software company and get selected to work on Racing video games instead of Role Playing video games.

The Racing game department got first dibs on filling a hole in their team. Maybe the new guy can help increase the quality and sales of the Racing game line. Maybe he was all glitter and no substance. Maybe he can move to a better suited or better selling department after a few years.

This line of employment happens everyday in America.... they just don't have a full blown draft with media attention and fanfare watching in.

 

[Christo]

Judge Doty has already ruled on the importance of having parity (and i think he even referenced the draft) in regard to professional sports leagues. I don't have the specific link or language. But, this is not like applying for a job at IBM. Every major sports league has a draft and for good reason. The draft isn't going away. The courts have already--and will continue to--acknowledge its importance in the context of a pro sports league.

I think the quote was in the context of how important it is for the owners and players to come to an agreement outside of court. Because inside the courtroom, the owners are going to lose and lose badly on this.

Not with regards to the draft they won't.

If you're referring to the 2011 draft, you're right, because it was agreed to in the last CBA. If you're referring to any future drafts, you're wrong. The rookie draft is just about the clearest antitrust violation of all of the NFL's actions. It's the very definition of a group boycott.

As usual, Orange Crush is correct.The owners don't want the NFLPA to go away because if it does then all sorts of ugliness can occur due to potential antitrust suits. The owners want a CBA because they can have non-free market actions like a draft that wouldn't be permissible in a free market situation. A CBA is their friend, as much as they hate it.

The players want a CBA too. Otherwise, they lose their league minimums (or any other agreed upon guaranteed salary structure) and the guys at the bottom of the roster will be making no more than they could at McDonald's. That's not the issue. The owners can have a draft if they want, CBA or no CBA. They just can't enforce it without a CBA.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Judge Doty has already ruled on the importance of having parity (and i think he even referenced the draft) in regard to professional sports leagues. I don't have the specific link or language. But, this is not like applying for a job at IBM. Every major sports league has a draft and for good reason. The draft isn't going away. The courts have already--and will continue to--acknowledge its importance in the context of a pro sports league.

I think the quote was in the context of how important it is for the owners and players to come to an agreement outside of court. Because inside the courtroom, the owners are going to lose and lose badly on this.

Not with regards to the draft they won't.

If you're referring to the 2011 draft, you're right, because it was agreed to in the last CBA. If you're referring to any future drafts, you're wrong. The rookie draft is just about the clearest antitrust violation of all of the NFL's actions. It's the very definition of a group boycott.

As usual, Orange Crush is correct.The owners don't want the NFLPA to go away because if it does then all sorts of ugliness can occur due to potential antitrust suits. The owners want a CBA because they can have non-free market actions like a draft that wouldn't be permissible in a free market situation. A CBA is their friend, as much as they hate it.

The players want a CBA too. Otherwise, they lose their league minimums (or any other agreed upon guaranteed salary structure) and the guys at the bottom of the roster will be making no more than they could at McDonald's. That's not the issue. The owners can have a draft if they want, CBA or no CBA. They just can't enforce it without a CBA.

Not that I know much about the CBA, but a lot of sports have drafts. The MLB, NHL, and NBA drafts aren't going anywhere, so I doubt the NFL draft is either.

 

[Insomniac]

Players' antitrust suit challenges NFL draft The NFL players' lawsuit in a U.S. district court is seeking declaration that the NFL draft violates antitrust laws.

Von Miller is a plaintiff in the suit, and it's not crazy to think this could hurt his draft stock.

Good. It better. That would make my day.

If there is no CBA, why shouldn't rookies be able to negotiate the best possible deals with any of the clubs? I understand you don't want it to be like that, but that's not my question.I can't imagine any other profession where all the employers of such talent get to bid on my services and I have no say where I choose to work. You are a hotshot computer programmer...well too bad because we are shipping you off to work with XYZ corp instead of Apple.

My understanding on all of this though is there will be the draft this year. The lawsuit will just challenge the rookie salary cap and not the draft this year. If this process goes into next year though, I am pretty sure the draft will be challenged. and with no CBA, it's a given that players will be able to negotiate their own contracts right out of school.

I see the bolded as: All the draftees are applying to the company "National Football League," but they don't get to pick which department (NFL team) they work for. Much like a hotshot computer programmer straight out of college may be hired into a gaming software company and get selected to work on Racing video games instead of Role Playing video games.

The Racing game department got first dibs on filling a hole in their team. Maybe the new guy can help increase the quality and sales of the Racing game line. Maybe he was all glitter and no substance. Maybe he can move to a better suited or better selling department after a few years.

This line of employment happens everyday in America.... they just don't have a full blown draft with media attention and fanfare watching in.

Your argument that the NFL is one company has been used in a number of anti-trust suits by the NFL, most recently in the American Needle case. The NFL lost 9-0 in the US Supreme Court. They ruled the NFL teams are separate businesses. You're basing your argument on something that's false. Do you have an argument to support your position that is consistent with the law and the facts?

 

[Insomniac]

Judge Doty has already ruled on the importance of having parity (and i think he even referenced the draft) in regard to professional sports leagues. I don't have the specific link or language. But, this is not like applying for a job at IBM. Every major sports league has a draft and for good reason. The draft isn't going away. The courts have already--and will continue to--acknowledge its importance in the context of a pro sports league.

I think the quote was in the context of how important it is for the owners and players to come to an agreement outside of court. Because inside the courtroom, the owners are going to lose and lose badly on this.

Not with regards to the draft they won't.

If you're referring to the 2011 draft, you're right, because it was agreed to in the last CBA. If you're referring to any future drafts, you're wrong. The rookie draft is just about the clearest antitrust violation of all of the NFL's actions. It's the very definition of a group boycott.

As usual, Orange Crush is correct.The owners don't want the NFLPA to go away because if it does then all sorts of ugliness can occur due to potential antitrust suits. The owners want a CBA because they can have non-free market actions like a draft that wouldn't be permissible in a free market situation. A CBA is their friend, as much as they hate it.

The players want a CBA too. Otherwise, they lose their league minimums (or any other agreed upon guaranteed salary structure) and the guys at the bottom of the roster will be making no more than they could at McDonald's. That's not the issue. The owners can have a draft if they want, CBA or no CBA. They just can't enforce it without a CBA.

Not that I know much about the CBA, but a lot of sports have drafts. The MLB, NHL, and NBA drafts aren't going anywhere, so I doubt the NFL draft is either.

MLB has a broad anti-trust exemption that other leagues do not. The NHL and NBA can have drafts because they are part of collective bargaining agreements.

 

[TheWheel]

The CBA does not exist anymore as one part of that collective does not exist. And a lockout is what is being litigated now. I believe the draft could be postponed if Doty thinks it should.

As for the player hate, the PA was always willing to negotiate--assuming full disclosure. The owners utterly refused and in a way spit in the face of the players by offering little financial information. The owners statements about needing an extra billion dollar credit has no proof--because they refused to present proof. If the owners were truly in financial trouble they'd have no trouble giving out real financial information. It's obvious that with full disclosure the owners would never get an extra billion dollars. I'd say that the owners had no intention of negotating.

And for FF, why wouldn't you just wait until a draft occurred and then do a draft? It isn't like there would be a draft after games occurred?

 

[cobalt_27]

The CBA does not exist anymore as one part of that collective does not exist. And a lockout is what is being litigated now. I believe the draft could be postponed if Doty thinks it should.As for the player hate, the PA was always willing to negotiate--assuming full disclosure. The owners utterly refused and in a way spit in the face of the players by offering little financial information. The owners statements about needing an extra billion dollar credit has no proof--because they refused to present proof. If the owners were truly in financial trouble they'd have no trouble giving out real financial information. It's obvious that with full disclosure the owners would never get an extra billion dollars. I'd say that the owners had no intention of negotating.And for FF, why wouldn't you just wait until a draft occurred and then do a draft? It isn't like there would be a draft after games occurred?

Problem is the owners did offer full disclosure. I know it's a matter of convenience to ignore this. But, the players have no leg to stand on here.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

The CBA does not exist anymore as one part of that collective does not exist. And a lockout is what is being litigated now. I believe the draft could be postponed if Doty thinks it should.As for the player hate, the PA was always willing to negotiate--assuming full disclosure. The owners utterly refused and in a way spit in the face of the players by offering little financial information. The owners statements about needing an extra billion dollar credit has no proof--because they refused to present proof. If the owners were truly in financial trouble they'd have no trouble giving out real financial information. It's obvious that with full disclosure the owners would never get an extra billion dollars. I'd say that the owners had no intention of negotating.And for FF, why wouldn't you just wait until a draft occurred and then do a draft? It isn't like there would be a draft after games occurred?

Problem is the owners did offer full disclosure. I know it's a matter of convenience to ignore this. But, the players have no leg to stand on here.

If full disclosure is the same as opening the books to the PA, then I think you're wrong here.

 

[cobalt_27]

The CBA does not exist anymore as one part of that collective does not exist. And a lockout is what is being litigated now. I believe the draft could be postponed if Doty thinks it should.As for the player hate, the PA was always willing to negotiate--assuming full disclosure. The owners utterly refused and in a way spit in the face of the players by offering little financial information. The owners statements about needing an extra billion dollar credit has no proof--because they refused to present proof. If the owners were truly in financial trouble they'd have no trouble giving out real financial information. It's obvious that with full disclosure the owners would never get an extra billion dollars. I'd say that the owners had no intention of negotating.And for FF, why wouldn't you just wait until a draft occurred and then do a draft? It isn't like there would be a draft after games occurred?

Problem is the owners did offer full disclosure. I know it's a matter of convenience to ignore this. But, the players have no leg to stand on here.

If full disclosure is the same as opening the books to the PA, then I think you're wrong here.

Through an independent/neutral auditor, that's exactly what they agreed to do.

 

[TheWheel]

Full disclosure is something an accountant can look at--if documents were presented there would have been another extension so the player's people could report on it. Expect the first thing to be fought over in litigation is full financial transparency.

And although the owners presented information to the players, it was nothing the players asked for and in the context of the situation, entirely incomplete. It's the same as you getting a loan, asking for the interest rate and they telling you it is a percentage.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

The CBA does not exist anymore as one part of that collective does not exist. And a lockout is what is being litigated now. I believe the draft could be postponed if Doty thinks it should.As for the player hate, the PA was always willing to negotiate--assuming full disclosure. The owners utterly refused and in a way spit in the face of the players by offering little financial information. The owners statements about needing an extra billion dollar credit has no proof--because they refused to present proof. If the owners were truly in financial trouble they'd have no trouble giving out real financial information. It's obvious that with full disclosure the owners would never get an extra billion dollars. I'd say that the owners had no intention of negotating.And for FF, why wouldn't you just wait until a draft occurred and then do a draft? It isn't like there would be a draft after games occurred?

Problem is the owners did offer full disclosure. I know it's a matter of convenience to ignore this. But, the players have no leg to stand on here.

not even close. The owners did not offer their books up.