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<!--quoteo(post=12931222:date=Feb 18 2011, 04:27 PM:name=Ridgelake)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ridgelake @ Feb 18 2011, 04:27 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=12931222"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=12931199:date=Feb 18 2011, 04:20 PM:name=Andy Dufresne)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Dufresne @ Feb 18 2011, 04:20 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=12931199"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->When did Smith weigh in that heavy? I was kind of hoping the Vikes might take him (or Solder) at their spot.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Wes Bunting reported it this week. We'll get confirmation at the Combine.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->I still think the similarities between Smith and the prior year's USC OT, Charles Brown are eery. Brown was an extremely athletic OT who got pretty popular with draft geeks but was light (about 290). I believe he showed up to the Combine at just over 300 and got some hype because of it. Brown was then drafted at the bottom of the 2nd round by NO.
Smith weighed in at 307 with 37" arms. That arm length is ridiculously long. He'll probably run in the 4.8-5.0 range. With his athleticism, he is cementing top 10 overall status.
 
<!--quoteo(post=12931222:date=Feb 18 2011, 04:27 PM:name=Ridgelake)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ridgelake @ Feb 18 2011, 04:27 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=12931222"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=12931199:date=Feb 18 2011, 04:20 PM:name=Andy Dufresne)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Dufresne @ Feb 18 2011, 04:20 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=12931199"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->When did Smith weigh in that heavy? I was kind of hoping the Vikes might take him (or Solder) at their spot.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Wes Bunting reported it this week. We'll get confirmation at the Combine.

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I still think the similarities between Smith and the prior year's USC OT, Charles Brown are eery. Brown was an extremely athletic OT who got pretty popular with draft geeks but was light (about 290). I believe he showed up to the Combine at just over 300 and got some hype because of it.

Brown was then drafted at the bottom of the 2nd round by NO.
Smith weighed in at 307 with 37" arms. That arm length is ridiculously long. He'll probably run in the 4.8-5.0 range. With his athleticism, he is cementing top 10 overall status.
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Tyron Smith drops out of Combine

Posted by Mike Florio on February 26, 2011, 10:08 AM EST

After participating in the bench press on Friday, USC offensive lineman Tyron Smith abruptly has decided to drop out of the remainder of the Scouting Combine events.

The news comes from Steve Wyche of NFL Network.

The reason for the decision isn’t known. The last “Saturday surprise” at the Combine came two years ago, when reports emerged that receiver Michael Crabtree would not participate due to a foot injury that required surgery.

Smith is rated as one of the top offensive line prospects in the draft.

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Hmmnnn. He did have a 'drastic' body change in a few months and was praised for the 'sudden' and 'dramatic' body change.

LINK Draft coverage web site

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3:00 PM EST

- The ripple effects of USC’s suspension continue to be felt all the way to the midwest. After weighing in at 307 pounds, Tyron Smith stated he had gained 20 pounds since the end of last season. During the extra time the Trojans would usually be in post-season play and practice; Smith changed his diet. He cut junk food and began to eat a healthy and balanced diet. The tackle admitted his drastic change in body-type and what he tipped the scales even surprised him.. His low was 285 pounds last season.

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Could there be a connection between the 'drastic' change in body type and Tyron abruptly dropping out of the Combine?

 
Interesting that Tyron dropped out like that. I don't know when the drug tests are performed. I would think early in the process, but who knows?

I did read this week that he had knee surgery about a month ago to clean up loose cartilege. He wasnt planning on running at the combine, but at the USC pro day at the end of March. Maybe after the bench press, everything else required his knee to function.

This is not a good thing though, no doubt.

 
Here it is.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Source-Tyron-Smith-recovering-from-meniscus-surgery-not-working-out-at-combine.html

Source: Tyron Smith recovering from meniscus surgery, not working out at combine

INDIANAPOLIS -- USC blue-chip offensive tackle Tyron Smith isn't working out at the NFL scouting combine because he underwent meniscus surgery eight weeks ago, according to a league source with knowledge of the situation.

A league source told National Football Post that Smith isn't 100 percent yet, but is expected to be ready for his Pro Day campus workout next month.

Smith is one of the top prospects at his position and is regarded as a top 15 first-round draft pick.

He has bulked up to 309 pounds through an improved diet and an increased weightlifting regimen, which should boost his draft stock.

Smith has been in heavy demand from teams at the combine, meeting with several franchises.

He met with the Baltimore Ravens on Friday night.

 
More for fun since its mid February, pre-combine, so it is early but not to early to try and speculate and figure out the top ten picks of the draft and get a hanlde on what teams might be thinking.

Here is what I am thinking at this time.

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1. Carolina - DT Nick Farley

Reasoning for the pick: Wideouts touch the ball at best ten times per game, infrequent impact and prohibabitive pricetag discredit WR with top pick. The Panthers could go QB, either Newton or Gabbert but its tough for a newly installed NFL HC that already has a young QB like Clausen to change and go in another direction at QB without having the first-hand evaluation of whether or not the young guy can play or not so I can’t see them going QB with the firt pick. They could go with DE Da Quan Bowers but they recently let DE Julius Peppers go and drafted DE Everette Brown. They didn’t want to pay a big salary for a proven DE in his prime so how can they jusitfy more money for an unproven rookie DE? Thier simply isn't a no-brain selection so I default to Bill Parcels Planet Theory that states there are only so many big men who can move and who have the physical ability to dominate at the DT position. Fairley has potential to dominate.
From Peter King's MMQB column this morning, he says Fairley definitely WON'T be going to Carolina with the top pick and that he will go after Marcel DareusLINK Peter King MMQB pg. 4

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... 4. I think, and I'm actually pretty sure of it, that Nick Fairley will not be the first pick in the draft. I'm trusting Someone Who Knows And Who Has Been Correct About A Lot Of Things In The Past Year on this. He knows who he is, and he's adamant Fairley won't go one.

5. I think, by the way, three NFL people told me over the weekend that Marcell Dareus of Alabama will be drafted ahead of Fairley. More versatility and more ability to stop the run than the suddenly lightish (6-foot-3 and 291 pound) Fairley...

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I still don't see Lina taking a DE with the top pick because DE is one area on that team that is solid.

King also mentioned new Dallas DC Rob Ryan.

6. I think Jason Garrett told a story over the weekend about new defensive coordinator Rob Ryan that, if you're a Cowboys fan and want to see Anthony Spencer and DeMarcus Ware dominate the league the way they did collectively in 2009, you'll be happy to hear.

Said Garrett: "We had an interview. He came into my office and he had on a coat and tie and his hair was nicely combed. He looked good. He looked good. But we started talking football and about three minutes into our conversation I'd never seen a guy who wanted to get out of a coat and tie more than this guy and so I said, 'Rob just take the thing off,' so literally he went, 'Boom' and got rid of the tie, grabbed a pen and started going on the board. And it didn't take long. I was impressed by the effort. I was impressed by the coat and tie and I was equally as impressed of him getting rid of it and getting going and really being who he is.''

Just remember one thing it you're underwhelmed by the Ryan hiring (which I decidedly am not): Rob Ryan is certain he can be a head coach in the NFL, and a head coach just as good as his brother. So he's motivated to lead the league in sacks and have a top-five defense and for the Cowboys to win. All of that, he knows, will lead to interviews for head-coaching jobs. So his motivation falls right in line with the motivation of every Cowboys fan.
King didn't spill how Rob planned to increase the pass rush by DeMarcus Ware and Anthony Spencer but I would imagine based on the history of his and his brother's drafts that having a shut down CB is part of the plan.
 
King didn't spill how Rob planned to increase the pass rush by DeMarcus Ware and Anthony Spencer but I would imagine based on the history of his and his brother's drafts that having a shut down CB is part of the plan.
Having a better front three wouldn't hurt either.
Having a better front three wouldn't hurt at all but looking at recent draft history of both Rob and Rex Ryan I see them both selecting first round cornerbacks last year and they both took first round CBs after acquiring starting CBs in free agency/trades but if you look at Rob's current draft history of D-Linemen you will find the Browns only took one D-Lineman in the two years he was in Cleveland and the one guy they took was drafted in the 7th round and he was cut. While at Oakland he took Nnamdi high in the draft as well.His comments of having a better pass rush seem to indicate he will act as he did in the past to increase the pass rush as he did last year in Cleveland when he more than double his sack stats from the previous year and he did so after trading for CB Sheldon Brown and drafting CB Joe Haden in the top ten.
 
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King didn't spill how Rob planned to increase the pass rush by DeMarcus Ware and Anthony Spencer but I would imagine based on the history of his and his brother's drafts that having a shut down CB is part of the plan.
Having a better front three wouldn't hurt either.
Having a better front three wouldn't hurt at all but looking at recent draft history of both Rob and Rex Ryan I see them both selecting first round cornerbacks last year and they both took first round CBs after acquiring starting CBs in free agency/trades but if you look at Rob's current draft history of D-Linemen you will find the Browns only took one D-Lineman in the two years he was in Cleveland and the one guy they took was drafted in the 7th round and he was cut. While at Oakland he took Nnamdi high in the draft as well.His comments of having a better pass rush seem to indicate he will act as he did in the past to increase the pass rush as he did last year in Cleveland when he more than double his sack stats from the previous year and he did so after trading for CB Sheldon Brown and drafting CB Joe Haden in the top ten.
Bracie, I admire your dedication. :unsure: You do make some very strong arguments.But there are two general flaws with your logic, as I see it. 1) There won't be a corner worthy of the #9 overall pick. 2) Ryan is merely the DC in Dallas. He is not the HC, or GM. I am sure that theoretically Ryan wants multiple top CBs so that he can unleash the hounds. The problem is that many of the more informed draft analysts that I've read don't have Amukamara (or anyone besides PP) rated highly enough to warrant #9. Drafting Prince at 9 would not represent good value at all.Your argument regarding Ryan presumes he controls who Dallas drafts. That his needs or wants trumps the overall team needs/wants. It seems to forget that Garrett, as HC and OC, probably has a stronger say on who gets drafted than the DC. No doubt that Ryan will make his desires well known within the organization. But I have trouble seeing that he'll have more political clout to get "his guy" than will Garrett. Especially when it seems the ratings of the available players matches up better at other positions.I certainly do appreciate the insights into Ryan. Definitely good to know how he likes to operate. But I think in the case of your mock, you're overlooking a couple of very salient points and falling back on the subject (Ryan) that you know much better.
 
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King didn't spill how Rob planned to increase the pass rush by DeMarcus Ware and Anthony Spencer but I would imagine based on the history of his and his brother's drafts that having a shut down CB is part of the plan.
Having a better front three wouldn't hurt either.
Having a better front three wouldn't hurt at all but looking at recent draft history of both Rob and Rex Ryan I see them both selecting first round cornerbacks last year and they both took first round CBs after acquiring starting CBs in free agency/trades but if you look at Rob's current draft history of D-Linemen you will find the Browns only took one D-Lineman in the two years he was in Cleveland and the one guy they took was drafted in the 7th round and he was cut. While at Oakland he took Nnamdi high in the draft as well.His comments of having a better pass rush seem to indicate he will act as he did in the past to increase the pass rush as he did last year in Cleveland when he more than double his sack stats from the previous year and he did so after trading for CB Sheldon Brown and drafting CB Joe Haden in the top ten.
Bracie, I admire your dedication. :thumbup: You do make some very strong arguments.But there are two general flaws with your logic, as I see it. 1) There won't be a corner worthy of the #9 overall pick. 2) Ryan is merely the DC in Dallas. He is not the HC, or GM.

I am sure that theoretically Ryan wants multiple top CBs so that he can unleash the hounds. The problem is that many of the more informed draft analysts that I've read don't have Amukamara (or anyone besides PP) rated highly enough to warrant #9. Drafting Prince at 9 would not represent good value at all.

Your argument regarding Ryan presumes he controls who Dallas drafts. That his needs or wants trumps the overall team needs/wants. It seems to forget that Garrett, as HC and OC, probably has a stronger say on who gets drafted than the DC. No doubt that Ryan will make his desires well known within the organization. But I have trouble seeing that he'll have more political clout to get "his guy" than will Garrett. Especially when it seems the ratings of the available players matches up better at other positions.

I certainly do appreciate the insights into Ryan. Definitely good to know how he likes to operate. But I think in the case of your mock, you're overlooking a couple of very salient points and falling back on the subject (Ryan) that you know much better.
Who the Dallas front office will end up taking will be based off of what is available and how they prioritize team needs. They have needs on the O-Line and I will not dismiss any O-Line argument or debate O-Line prospects because I simply do not know about the top O-Line prospects. It is a valid need and a valid point but I won't debate individual skill sets.The Boys also have a need in defending the pass and I feel corner is a priority position for their new DC Rob Ryan. I feel it is a valid team need and the CB position being a key by Rob Ryan trancends most draft debates.

Per Prince and his evaluation? I feel his evaluation is open to debate. I haven't addressed any concerns made about him because I wanted to wait to see what facts arose about his skills that would not be open to debate.

One criticism that had been raised about him now has been put to rest and those were concerns about Prince's speed.

LINK Prince Akumara fast Combine time

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Prince Amukamara quiets questions about speed

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 1, 2011, 10:15 AM EST

Nebraska cornerback Prince Amukamara said that people questioning his straight-line speed didn’t “know what they’re talking about.”

He was right.

Amukamara ran unofficial times of 4.37 and 4.44 at the NFL Scouting Combine Tuesday, helping to quiet any talk that Amukamara would have to move to safety at the next level.

Forty-yard dashes don’t tell us that much, but they are more important for defensive backs than any other position. Amukamara’s times will help solidify him as a pick in the top half of the first round. (Possibly in the top ten.)...

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You make valid points but I still feel that Prince Akumara remains a valid option for Dallas' first round selection.

 
Bracie, I do not disagree with your assessment that Dallas needs a corner. They do. I expect that they take one somewhere in rounds 2-4. Probably round 3, if I had my guess.

It comes down to where there is value in the draft at certain positions. The general thought is that a starting OT can only be had in roughly the first 30 picks. Quality DL and CBs (and interior OL) should be available through much of the first 4 rounds. Dallas has needs at all these spots. This is why the latest thinking on some of the better Cowboy boards has them going OT in the first, then addressing the other needs, including CB, in rounds 2-4.

I've been enjoying our debate. its been fun. And I suspect a lot of readers have gotten some good value from it.

 
Bracie, I do not disagree with your assessment that Dallas needs a corner. They do. I expect that they take one somewhere in rounds 2-4. Probably round 3, if I had my guess.

It comes down to where there is value in the draft at certain positions. The general thought is that a starting OT can only be had in roughly the first 30 picks. Quality DL and CBs (and interior OL) should be available through much of the first 4 rounds. Dallas has needs at all these spots. This is why the latest thinking on some of the better Cowboy boards has them going OT in the first, then addressing the other needs, including CB, in rounds 2-4.

I've been enjoying our debate. its been fun. And I suspect a lot of readers have gotten some good value from it.
:thumbup:
 
Bracie, I do not disagree with your assessment that Dallas needs a corner. They do. I expect that they take one somewhere in rounds 2-4. Probably round 3, if I had my guess.

It comes down to where there is value in the draft at certain positions. The general thought is that a starting OT can only be had in roughly the first 30 picks. Quality DL and CBs (and interior OL) should be available through much of the first 4 rounds. Dallas has needs at all these spots. This is why the latest thinking on some of the better Cowboy boards has them going OT in the first, then addressing the other needs, including CB, in rounds 2-4.

I've been enjoying our debate. its been fun. And I suspect a lot of readers have gotten some good value from it.
Hey Ridgelake,Saw this tidbit dealing with Dallas possibly taking Ty Smith but they mentioned that the Boys showed no interest at the Combine and then this article mentions Price having a great combine. Also they speculate that if Dallas was to pursue an offensive lineman that they could consider trading down but it takes two to tango so I don't know if trade-down scenarios are valid. The article also mentions that Dallas might target veteran O-Linemen in free agency once/if that resumes and use their top pick at another position than O-Line.

In any case I saw this and had to share with you since it capped off what we were discussing.

LINK TFY Draft Insider

... We have speculated the choice could be Cameron Jordan, assuming the Cal senior is still available and were previously told it could be another PAC Ten player, Tyron Smith of USC. Some league insiders said not so fast. Dallas showed no interest at the combine in the veteran offensive linemen that will be available for free agency once the free agency period starts, assuming it does. And yes- there were talks between teams and agents in Indianapolis about veteran players that will eventually be on the open market. One scenario had Dallas potentially trading out of the ninth pick, moving down in the first round then taking an offensive lineman later in the frame. Granted, most of this was spoken about over the weekend before Prince Amukamara turned in his very solid workout Tuesday morning...

 
Bracie, I do not disagree with your assessment that Dallas needs a corner. They do. I expect that they take one somewhere in rounds 2-4. Probably round 3, if I had my guess.

It comes down to where there is value in the draft at certain positions. The general thought is that a starting OT can only be had in roughly the first 30 picks. Quality DL and CBs (and interior OL) should be available through much of the first 4 rounds. Dallas has needs at all these spots. This is why the latest thinking on some of the better Cowboy boards has them going OT in the first, then addressing the other needs, including CB, in rounds 2-4.

I've been enjoying our debate. its been fun. And I suspect a lot of readers have gotten some good value from it.
Hey Ridgelake,Saw this tidbit dealing with Dallas possibly taking Ty Smith but they mentioned that the Boys showed no interest at the Combine and then this article mentions Price having a great combine. Also they speculate that if Dallas was to pursue an offensive lineman that they could consider trading down but it takes two to tango so I don't know if trade-down scenarios are valid. The article also mentions that Dallas might target veteran O-Linemen in free agency once/if that resumes and use their top pick at another position than O-Line.

In any case I saw this and had to share with you since it capped off what we were discussing.

LINK TFY Draft Insider

... We have speculated the choice could be Cameron Jordan, assuming the Cal senior is still available and were previously told it could be another PAC Ten player, Tyron Smith of USC. Some league insiders said not so fast. Dallas showed no interest at the combine in the veteran offensive linemen that will be available for free agency once the free agency period starts, assuming it does. And yes- there were talks between teams and agents in Indianapolis about veteran players that will eventually be on the open market. One scenario had Dallas potentially trading out of the ninth pick, moving down in the first round then taking an offensive lineman later in the frame. Granted, most of this was spoken about over the weekend before Prince Amukamara turned in his very solid workout Tuesday morning...
I think any Cowboys fan would welcome a trade down.....as long as we stay in the first. I don't take much out of combine interest as most teams are employing smokescreens and playing it tight to the chest.

 
Bracie, I do not disagree with your assessment that Dallas needs a corner. They do. I expect that they take one somewhere in rounds 2-4. Probably round 3, if I had my guess.

It comes down to where there is value in the draft at certain positions. The general thought is that a starting OT can only be had in roughly the first 30 picks. Quality DL and CBs (and interior OL) should be available through much of the first 4 rounds. Dallas has needs at all these spots. This is why the latest thinking on some of the better Cowboy boards has them going OT in the first, then addressing the other needs, including CB, in rounds 2-4.

I've been enjoying our debate. its been fun. And I suspect a lot of readers have gotten some good value from it.
Hey Ridgelake,Saw this tidbit dealing with Dallas possibly taking Ty Smith but they mentioned that the Boys showed no interest at the Combine and then this article mentions Price having a great combine. Also they speculate that if Dallas was to pursue an offensive lineman that they could consider trading down but it takes two to tango so I don't know if trade-down scenarios are valid. The article also mentions that Dallas might target veteran O-Linemen in free agency once/if that resumes and use their top pick at another position than O-Line.

In any case I saw this and had to share with you since it capped off what we were discussing.

LINK TFY Draft Insider

... We have speculated the choice could be Cameron Jordan, assuming the Cal senior is still available and were previously told it could be another PAC Ten player, Tyron Smith of USC. Some league insiders said not so fast. Dallas showed no interest at the combine in the veteran offensive linemen that will be available for free agency once the free agency period starts, assuming it does. And yes- there were talks between teams and agents in Indianapolis about veteran players that will eventually be on the open market. One scenario had Dallas potentially trading out of the ninth pick, moving down in the first round then taking an offensive lineman later in the frame. Granted, most of this was spoken about over the weekend before Prince Amukamara turned in his very solid workout Tuesday morning...
I think any Cowboys fan would welcome a trade down.....as long as we stay in the first. I don't take much out of combine interest as most teams are employing smokescreens and playing it tight to the chest.
I would not rule out a mega deal with the Cowboys to trade UP in the draft to grab Peterson. The likelihood for something like this happening improves if CAR or BUF stupidly takes Cam Newton and shifts all the quality guys down the board a spot. If the price is right, I could see the Boys moving up to ARI-5 or SF-7.
 
Bracie, I do not disagree with your assessment that Dallas needs a corner. They do. I expect that they take one somewhere in rounds 2-4. Probably round 3, if I had my guess.

It comes down to where there is value in the draft at certain positions. The general thought is that a starting OT can only be had in roughly the first 30 picks. Quality DL and CBs (and interior OL) should be available through much of the first 4 rounds. Dallas has needs at all these spots. This is why the latest thinking on some of the better Cowboy boards has them going OT in the first, then addressing the other needs, including CB, in rounds 2-4.

I've been enjoying our debate. its been fun. And I suspect a lot of readers have gotten some good value from it.
Hey Ridgelake,Saw this tidbit dealing with Dallas possibly taking Ty Smith but they mentioned that the Boys showed no interest at the Combine and then this article mentions Price having a great combine. Also they speculate that if Dallas was to pursue an offensive lineman that they could consider trading down but it takes two to tango so I don't know if trade-down scenarios are valid. The article also mentions that Dallas might target veteran O-Linemen in free agency once/if that resumes and use their top pick at another position than O-Line.

In any case I saw this and had to share with you since it capped off what we were discussing.

LINK TFY Draft Insider

... We have speculated the choice could be Cameron Jordan, assuming the Cal senior is still available and were previously told it could be another PAC Ten player, Tyron Smith of USC. Some league insiders said not so fast. Dallas showed no interest at the combine in the veteran offensive linemen that will be available for free agency once the free agency period starts, assuming it does. And yes- there were talks between teams and agents in Indianapolis about veteran players that will eventually be on the open market. One scenario had Dallas potentially trading out of the ninth pick, moving down in the first round then taking an offensive lineman later in the frame. Granted, most of this was spoken about over the weekend before Prince Amukamara turned in his very solid workout Tuesday morning...
I think any Cowboys fan would welcome a trade down.....as long as we stay in the first. I don't take much out of combine interest as most teams are employing smokescreens and playing it tight to the chest.
I would not rule out a mega deal with the Cowboys to trade UP in the draft to grab Peterson. The likelihood for something like this happening improves if CAR or BUF stupidly takes Cam Newton and shifts all the quality guys down the board a spot. If the price is right, I could see the Boys moving up to ARI-5 or SF-7.
I would welcome that scenario as well.
 
The Cowboys moving up is a possibility. If they do, I hope its for Fairley. But I can see Jerry doing it for Peterson.

If they move at all, I hope its down. Pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd and still get the OT that they need.

 

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