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***2013 Denver Broncos*** (1 Viewer)
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moleculo
Footballguy
what was especially maddening last night was all of the stupid penalties - 12 men on the field...really? in December? That's understandable in September, but those kinds of kinks are supposed to be worked out by now. It's probably a symptom of all of the shuffling Del Rio has been doing lately - Lenon in @ MLB? Bolden @ SS? not to mention all of the injuries. The off-sides on the punt was pretty terrible too.
Also, I have no idea why they shuffled around the offense - by that, I mean moving Decker to the slot and playing Caldwell on the outside. Seems to me like Decker isn't well suited to play slot, and Caldwell is a clear downgrade from Decker on the outside. IMO simply plugging in Tamme in the slot would have made a hell of a lot more sense. After last nights production, I certainly think it's fair to second-guess this.
There are no silver linings from this game. The Broncos got beat squarely. There was no singular event that, if it happened differently, would have won the game. honestly, it's the first time I can say that since the NE game last year. it sucks.
Also, I have no idea why they shuffled around the offense - by that, I mean moving Decker to the slot and playing Caldwell on the outside. Seems to me like Decker isn't well suited to play slot, and Caldwell is a clear downgrade from Decker on the outside. IMO simply plugging in Tamme in the slot would have made a hell of a lot more sense. After last nights production, I certainly think it's fair to second-guess this.
There are no silver linings from this game. The Broncos got beat squarely. There was no singular event that, if it happened differently, would have won the game. honestly, it's the first time I can say that since the NE game last year. it sucks.
moleculo
Footballguy
15 games done, 1 left. We know what this team is right now, and i'm not sure it's good enough.
The only way this team advances in the playoffs is by winning shoot-outs, and that's going to be tough with all of the stupid penalties. It's going to be a rough post-season, I think.
- Dominant passing offense. Probably the best passing offense the NFL has ever seen.
- Adequate run offense. Moreno runs with lots of passion and heart, but he's not going to win games on his own.
- undisciplined with lots of stupid penalties. Absolutely ridiculous the last couple of weeks.
- white-knuckle special teams. At times amazing, at times really, really bad.
- sieve-like defense, especially with all of the injuries. I don't see how this defense can hold competent opposition to 28 or less in the playoffs.
The only way this team advances in the playoffs is by winning shoot-outs, and that's going to be tough with all of the stupid penalties. It's going to be a rough post-season, I think.
Adam Harstad
Moderator
Of course it's good enough. Will it actually win a championship? The odds are against it, just like the odds are always against any individual team and in favor of the field. But is there another team in the AFC that has a better shot at the superbowl right now?
Also, don't sweat the penalties. There's no correlation between non-procedural penalties and w/l record (if anything, teams that commit more penalties tend to win slightly more games). That's because for every penalty that gets called, there's 2 plays where a penalty could have been called, but wasn't, meaning aggressive teams gain incremental advantages on every play to offset the periodic disadvantages when the penalty is called. Think of Baltimore last year- getting away with DPI against Eric Decker led to a pick 6 that wound up proving extremely meaningful in the final results. That pick 6 more than made up for any other DPIs they might have gotten called for during the game or the season.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
Miller out for the year? wow, the hits just keep coming on the injury front. I am thinking Denver is going to have to win some Arena League games to get to the Super Bowl let alone win it. The d was bad with possibly the league's best pass rusher in the lineup. Now, down Big Vick, Wolfe, Moore, a hobbled Bailey, and Miller..ugh.
moleculo
Footballguy
Booked my ticket to Denver today. Pretty psyched to see Brady vs Manning. it's been 7 years since they met in the playoffs last, this could be the last time we see these guys go toe-to-toe with everything on the line.
Not psyched about our defense. Down 5 starters now - Von, Wolfe, Vickerson, Moore, and now Harris. If we ever needed Champ Bailey, it's this game this week. If Champ plays great, we will have earned each dollar the Broncos have paid him this year.
That being said, they played fantastic vs SD - at least they did until Harris went down and Rivers started picking on Jammer. Hell of a job shutting down the run and forcing some punts. This team has been stout vs the run all season - a real credit to JDR. Great pressure on Rivers too. Crowd noise was definately a big help - can't believe how many times SD jumped on "Omaha!"
Not psyched about our defense. Down 5 starters now - Von, Wolfe, Vickerson, Moore, and now Harris. If we ever needed Champ Bailey, it's this game this week. If Champ plays great, we will have earned each dollar the Broncos have paid him this year.
That being said, they played fantastic vs SD - at least they did until Harris went down and Rivers started picking on Jammer. Hell of a job shutting down the run and forcing some punts. This team has been stout vs the run all season - a real credit to JDR. Great pressure on Rivers too. Crowd noise was definately a big help - can't believe how many times SD jumped on "Omaha!"
Hoss Style
Footballguy
Well, it's been my belief that if we made it through the AFC and got to the SuperBowl we'd win it. The AFC's top teams (playoff teams) were 8-1 against the NFC's top teams this year, so I never bought into the blabbermouths on ESPN that said the NFC was stronger.
We made it through the guantlet and now have one more team to deal with, although I think Seattle is every bit as good as any team we've faced. I think we are tested and ready for the final game.
We made it through the guantlet and now have one more team to deal with, although I think Seattle is every bit as good as any team we've faced. I think we are tested and ready for the final game.
purestrength
Footballguy
Anybody have an inside scoop on the extent of Moreno's injury?
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
purestrength
Footballguy
Under the circumstances, that's excellent news. With all the talk about Peyton Manning and Richard Sherman from Sunday's games, Moreno's injury was kinda overlooked. If healthy, his presence will make a big difference for the Broncos in two weeks.
Hoss Style
Footballguy
There's really nothing to get too fired up about over here. We are happy with our organization, pretty much
Solid ownership. Solid management. Our fair share of Superbowls over the years. A team that has a chance to win, and is competitive more often than not.
We don't have any over the top big-mouths that stand out. We've had our share of mistakes but the organization moves on. For the most part our fans are respectful of other organizations, players and fans.
Believe me, we are fine with only 3 pages at this point. We had enough pages during the Tebow era to choke a goat.
I'll take the calmness with the winning every year.
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Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
Yes, though I think they are better positioned to deal with a Moreno injury this year. I still think an under-appreciated storyline from the Ravens game last year was the affect losing Moreno had in the second half of the game.
This year, I don't think there is much drop-off with Ball. Obviously want both 100% healthy going into this game.
moleculo
Footballguy
That's exactly right. As of mid-last year, the entire Bronco fanbase is united for pretty much the first time in forever. There is no split. There is no proTebow/antiTebow, there is no love/hate McDaniels, there is no Plummer vs cutler, there is no love/hate Brian Griese, there is no debate about Bubby Brister.There's really nothing to get too fired up about over here. We are happy with our organization, pretty much
Solid ownership. Solid management. Our fair share of Superbowls over the years. A team that has a chance to win, and is competitive more often than not.
We don't have any over the top big-mouths that stand out. We've had our share of mistakes but the organization moves on. For the most part our fans are respectful of other organizations, players and fans.
Believe me, we are fine with only 3 pages at this point. We had enough pages during the Tebow era to choke a goat.
I'll take the calmness with the winning every year.
There is literally no drama with this team, besides the Star Wars numbers and the incredible deluge of injuries.
moleculo
Footballguy
so I just got back from Denver yesterday, hadn't had a chance to download my thoughts until just now, so here goes...
wow, what a game, what an incredible atmosphere. mile High was completely packed with people wearing orange. I went to one other game this year - the home game vs Jacksonville, and I can tell you I saw more Jacksonville fans at that game than Patriot fans for this one. All of my friends who normally go to Bronco games didn't get to go to this one because no one was giving up tickets. Normally, it's a deal where you know someone with season tickets that isn't going for whatever reason - not so much this week.
The weather was absolutely perfect. Couldn't ask for a better day. 63 degrees, slight breeze, sun was shining, absolutely gorgeous.
The fans were rocking more than I have heard that place rock before...until Broncos were on offense, and then, silence. I mean, it was so quiet you could hear people having conversations a couple sections over. It's really eerie to hear 77k excited people shutting the hell up. The most fun part, though, was after Vereen failed to convert after the Brady run. That was the moment we knew it was over - as great as Tom Brady is, he wasn't scoring 10 points on our defense in three minutes. That's when the "SUPER BOWL!" chants started. Everyone was high-fiving and hugging the entire final drive. "SUPER BOWL!" chants continued the whole way out the stadium after the trophy presentation. After the game, people were honking their horns hand hollerin for at least a couple of hours on the way out of the stadium.
Denver has punted once the entire playoffs. wow. going back to the first half of the raiders game, Manning has ended just 1 of 21 drives in a punt. The stat I've decided is probably the most important is points/drive. It's about getting points as efficiently as you can. playoff football is about time of possession, it's not just about scoring points, it's also about limiting your opponents points. Time of possession is important. Broncos put together two of their longest drives vs NE, and had a really long one vs SD as well. That's got to be really deflating as a defense, to get marched around like that.
Pot Roast has morphed into the stud DT we have dreamed about for the past decade. Who knew he would be the foundation of this defense?
I didn't think losing Harris would be as big of a deal as people were making it out to be. He was not our best CB, he was the #2 CB, and he was replaced with a seasoned HoFer who is relatively fresh, and also Tony Carter who has played really well in the past. Really, the depth on this team and the way they have had new faces step in after a starter has gone down is a testament to the job Elway has done not just in the draft, but with free agency as well.
wow, what a game, what an incredible atmosphere. mile High was completely packed with people wearing orange. I went to one other game this year - the home game vs Jacksonville, and I can tell you I saw more Jacksonville fans at that game than Patriot fans for this one. All of my friends who normally go to Bronco games didn't get to go to this one because no one was giving up tickets. Normally, it's a deal where you know someone with season tickets that isn't going for whatever reason - not so much this week.
The weather was absolutely perfect. Couldn't ask for a better day. 63 degrees, slight breeze, sun was shining, absolutely gorgeous.
The fans were rocking more than I have heard that place rock before...until Broncos were on offense, and then, silence. I mean, it was so quiet you could hear people having conversations a couple sections over. It's really eerie to hear 77k excited people shutting the hell up. The most fun part, though, was after Vereen failed to convert after the Brady run. That was the moment we knew it was over - as great as Tom Brady is, he wasn't scoring 10 points on our defense in three minutes. That's when the "SUPER BOWL!" chants started. Everyone was high-fiving and hugging the entire final drive. "SUPER BOWL!" chants continued the whole way out the stadium after the trophy presentation. After the game, people were honking their horns hand hollerin for at least a couple of hours on the way out of the stadium.
Denver has punted once the entire playoffs. wow. going back to the first half of the raiders game, Manning has ended just 1 of 21 drives in a punt. The stat I've decided is probably the most important is points/drive. It's about getting points as efficiently as you can. playoff football is about time of possession, it's not just about scoring points, it's also about limiting your opponents points. Time of possession is important. Broncos put together two of their longest drives vs NE, and had a really long one vs SD as well. That's got to be really deflating as a defense, to get marched around like that.
Pot Roast has morphed into the stud DT we have dreamed about for the past decade. Who knew he would be the foundation of this defense?
I didn't think losing Harris would be as big of a deal as people were making it out to be. He was not our best CB, he was the #2 CB, and he was replaced with a seasoned HoFer who is relatively fresh, and also Tony Carter who has played really well in the past. Really, the depth on this team and the way they have had new faces step in after a starter has gone down is a testament to the job Elway has done not just in the draft, but with free agency as well.
Thanks for the feedback! Its always good to hear how it felt in the stadium.
Elway and his group have done a great job of picking the right players.
Adam Harstad
Moderator
Eh, I wouldn't quite go that far. There was the Von Miller drama. And this last offseason, there was a serious (if not very heated) Pro/Anti-John Fox split. But yes, in general, winning cures everything.That's exactly right. As of mid-last year, the entire Bronco fanbase is united for pretty much the first time in forever. There is no split. There is no proTebow/antiTebow, there is no love/hate McDaniels, there is no Plummer vs cutler, there is no love/hate Brian Griese, there is no debate about Bubby Brister.There's really nothing to get too fired up about over here. We are happy with our organization, pretty much
Solid ownership. Solid management. Our fair share of Superbowls over the years. A team that has a chance to win, and is competitive more often than not.
We don't have any over the top big-mouths that stand out. We've had our share of mistakes but the organization moves on. For the most part our fans are respectful of other organizations, players and fans.
Believe me, we are fine with only 3 pages at this point. We had enough pages during the Tebow era to choke a goat.
I'll take the calmness with the winning every year.
There is literally no drama with this team, besides the Star Wars numbers and the incredible deluge of injuries.
Adam Harstad
Moderator
I don't think that time of possession is all that important, honestly. If anything, if you're the favorite, quicker drives work to your advantage (because if you're a little bit better on every drive, then over the course of 16 drives that'll show up a lot more than over the course of 6 drives). Mostly, ToP has become a descriptive stat rather than a predictive one. It tells what kind of offense you're running, but not really how well you're running it.
I do agree that points per drive is the key. Each drive is an opportunity to score. How efficiently you score on each opportunity determines whether you win. If you average 4 points per drive and your opponent averages 2, then you're going to win, whether it's 20-10, or 40-20. In the playoffs, Denver is actually averaging more points per drive than they did in their record-setting regular season, and they'd be averaging even more, still, if not for fantastic offensive drives that ended in kneel-downs in the opposing team's territory to end the games against both SD and NE.
moleculo
Footballguy
yeah, I ranted against ToP on another forum just before the SD game, but I do think there is something to it. Winning ToP means you are dictating the ebb and flow of the game. It tells the opposing QB that you are limiting the number of drives they will have, so you better be effective. It makes the QB ansy to get back on the field. It's not really something you can quantify, but it is important.
The great thing is, the Broncos have shown they can play either way. This can be a quick scoring offense, capable of driving up and down the field in 1:30, or they can sit on the ball for 7 minutes at a time.
Hoss Style
Footballguy
Yes, I would agree that ToP can have meaning if you can dictate it as you feel it's necessary.
As a stand alone stat, it's not very important. But if we can use it to our advantage it can be a very effective weapon.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Please get rid of John Fox and get a head coach who will actually prepare the team for a game against the likes of the Seahawks. Seriously, could the Broncos have looked more unprepared? Don't get me wrong, all props go to the Seahawks, as they deserved it, but the Broncos fell apart way too quickly in that game. That is on coaching. A coach has to have a team mentally ready for the ups and downs of a game like that.
