2013 Hot Stove & Capella's Fabulous Cornhole Thread (1 Viewer)

[TobiasFunke]

New report is Cano to the Mariners for 10 years, 240 million per Enrique Rojas at ESPN.

Old Hoss Radbourn ‏@OldHossRadbourn 8m

Oh no, it seems scribes once again mistook negotiation for a black guy being uppity.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Forget the Cano deal. Furcal to the Marlins to play 2B.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Angels reportedly think they have the pieces to acquire Price.

The Angels don't have the pieces to acquire Vincent Price.

lol

 

[Michael Brown]

Apparently it's a done deal with Seattle, 10 years for 240

Link

 

[rodg12]

Exhibit A why a rapper shouldnt be an agent

Mark Feinsand, Bill Madden and Teri Thompson of the New York Daily News report that contract talks between the Mariners and Robinson Cano's agent, Jay Z, broke off after Jay Z's excessive demands.
CBS Sports' Jon Heyman is also hearing that there has been a "hiccup" in talks between the two sides. The Daily News says Cano's camp arrived in Seattle Thursday night with an eight-year, $200 million offer in hand, knowing that the M's were prepared to go to nine years and $225 million, an offer Seattle expected Cano to take. However, Jay Z then upped his asking price to 10 years and $252 million, at which point Mariners president Howard Lincoln apparently "exploded" and ended the meeting. The Daily News believes the Mariners are now out on Cano, leaving the Yankees as "his lone suitor." The Yanks are prepared to offer the second baseman $175 million.

This is why you don't hire Jay Z as your agent.

Source said Mariners were prepared to offer Cano 9/$225 believing he was going to accept. Jay Z made late change, demanded 10/$252. (more)

Source said Mariners CEO Howard Lincoln "exploded" after Jay Z changed it up and ended the meeting with Cano and his camp.

Mariners were indeed ready to give Cano $225 for nine years. Jay Z overplayed his hand with the late change and the demand for a 10th year.

https://twitter.com/FeinsandNYDN

ETA: N/M. Shady beat me to it.

Guess Jay Z knew what he was doing.

Sucks that Cano won't be wearing the pinstripes any longer.

 

[TobiasFunke]

The shark move now would be to trade a meh major league veteran who can help the Mariners in 2013 (maybe a bullpen guy) for Nick Franklin.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Don't like how Cano is disrespecting the HOF like this.

 

[shadyridr]

Stupid Daily News

 

[rodg12]

Wouldn't be surprised to see the Mariners make a play for David Price. A package around Tijuan Walker and Nick Franklin would have to look awfully enticing to the Rays.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Don't like how Cano is disrespecting the HOF like this.

Yup, should be the last we ever hear of him.

 

[the moops]

Exhibit A why a rapper shouldnt be an agent

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Stupid Daily News

right, it's the daily news that's stupid.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Yanks now have a 1B and SS that both missed a ton of time last year and a 3B they don't want and no 2B. Good luck with that, not to mention still really needing pitching with a very thin FA market.

 

[rodg12]

Yanks now have a 1B and SS that both missed a ton of time last year and a 3B they don't want and no 2B. Good luck with that, not to mention still really needing pitching with a very thin FA market.

Because you just know the Yankees are going to stand pat. No more moves for them now!!!

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Ellsbury in and Cano out is a net loss for the Yankees IMO. I guess Nick Punto is about to get a gritty 2/24 contract to be their 2Bman!

 

[Grahamburn]

Suck it, Yankees.

 

[the moops]

Yanks now have a 1B and SS that both missed a ton of time last year and a 3B they don't want and no 2B. Good luck with that, not to mention still really needing pitching with a very thin FA market.

Because you just know the Yankees are going to stand pat. No more moves for them now!!!

Doesn't sound as though he is insinuating that the Yankees are done making moves, just that the available free agents and the age/injury/suspension issues they have with their own players make it difficult to improve their IF

 

[Premier]

Yanks having a bad day.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Ellsbury in and Cano out is a net loss for the Yankees IMO. I guess Nick Punto is about to get a gritty 2/24 contract to be their 2Bman!

Property of the Oakland Athletics already.

 

[shadyridr]

Couldnt agree more

Ellsbury in and Cano out is a net loss for the Yankees IMO.

 

[shadyridr]

Stupid Daily News

right, it's the daily news that's stupid.

They have a HUGE headline on how Jay-Z Blew it. 3 reporters of theirs confirmed it. They completely botched it.

 

[Da Guru]

Grandy get 4-60 from the Mets. This is like Monopoly.

 

[SwampDawg]

Ellsbury in and Cano out is a net loss for the Yankees IMO. I guess Nick Punto is about to get a gritty 2/24 contract to be their 2Bman!

For the next few years, likely yes downgrade. In years 6/8/9/10 of the Cano contract when the Mariners are paying $24 a year for the type of production the Angels have been getting from Pujols it won't look that way.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Grandy to Mets 4/$60mm

That's a good signing compared to what the Yankees paid for Ellsbury

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Seriously, how did Granderson get $90mm less than Ellsbury? That's stupid.

 

[Don Quixote]

Stupid Daily News

right, it's the daily news that's stupid.

They have a HUGE headline on how Jay-Z Blew it. 3 reporters of theirs confirmed it. They completely botched it.

Yeah, I fell for it too. The reporter tweeted: "BREAKING NEWS: Cano and Mariners talks break down, free agent not signing with Mariners". He's not even acknowledging that he got it wrong.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Ellsbury in and Cano out is a net loss for the

Yankees IMO. I guess Nick Punto is about to get a gritty 2/24 contract to be their 2Bman!

For the next few years, likely yes downgrade. In years 6/8/9/10 of the Cano contract when the Mariners are paying $24 a year for the type of production the Angels have been getting from Pujols it won't look that way.

The Ellsbury deal is 7 years with a player option for an 8th year, correct? I think that deal isn't going to look too good at the tail end as well.

 

[SwampDawg]

Ellsbury in and Cano out is a net loss for the

Yankees IMO. I guess Nick Punto is about to get a gritty 2/24 contract to be their 2Bman!

For the next few years, likely yes downgrade. In years 6/8/9/10 of the Cano contract when the Mariners are paying $24 a year for the type of production the Angels have been getting from Pujols it won't look that way.

The Ellsbury deal is 7 years with a player option for an 8th year, correct? I think that deal isn't going to look too good at the tail end as well.

I thought it was 6 with an option for 7...I could be wrong. Point being both are too long and too much, Cano's is just longer. I wouldn't give out over 5 to anyone 28 and over.

 

[Raider Nation]

Yanks having a bad day.

I couldn't be happier.

Tired of watching a guy making a BILLION dollars jog to 1st base on every play. And you know this isn't sour grapes. I've been saying it for two years. Let's see how much the good fans in Seattle enjoy his complete indifference on the basepaths. And God forbid the team is 15 games under .500 in July. They'll be lucky if he even remembers where the stadium is.

 

[Raider Nation]

But he did produce a clutch 0-for-47 in the 2012 playoffs.

 

[Da Guru]

Grandys deal takes him from 33-37 years of age. Ellsburys deal takes him from 30-37.

Given that Ellsbury makes much of his living off of his legs I would think the last 3-4 years of his deal are not going to be nearly as productive.

How many deals over 5 years actually work out?

 

[SwampDawg]

How many deals over 5 years actually work out?

Very few, if I was a GM no one age 28 and over would get more then 5 years, I don't care who you are.

 

[shadyridr]

Yanks having a bad day.

I couldn't be happier.

Tired of watching a guy making a BILLION dollars jog to 1st base on every play. And you know this isn't sour grapes. I've been saying it for two years. Let's see how much the good fans in Seattle enjoy his complete indifference on the basepaths. And God forbid the team is 15 games under .500 in July. They'll be lucky if he even remembers where the stadium is.

I cant wait to watch Ellsbury hustle his way to broken ribs and miss half a season!

 

[shadyridr]

Seriously, how did Granderson get $90mm less than Ellsbury? That's stupid.

Stupidity. Hes a bad fielder now, strikes out a ton, cant hit lefties, doesnt steal bases anymore and Ellsbury STILL isnt worth $90m more than him

 

[Raider Nation]

Yanks having a bad day.

I couldn't be happier.

Tired of watching a guy making a BILLION dollars jog to 1st base on every play. And you know this isn't sour grapes. I've been saying it for two years. Let's see how much the good fans in Seattle enjoy his complete indifference on the basepaths. And God forbid the team is 15 games under .500 in July. They'll be lucky if he even remembers where the stadium is.

I cant wait to watch Ellsbury hustle his way to broken ribs and miss half a season!

If it happens, it happens. But at least he'll be hustling.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Ellsbury in and Cano out is a net loss for the Yankees IMO. I guess Nick Punto is about to get a gritty 2/24 contract to be their 2Bman!

For the next few years, likely yes downgrade. In years 6/8/9/10 of the Cano contract when the Mariners are paying $24 a year for the type of production the Angels have been getting from Pujols it won't look that way.

Yeah, but he's going to have a HUGE year 7.

Apparently.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Yanks having a bad day.

I couldn't be happier.

Tired of watching a guy making a BILLION dollars jog to 1st base on every play. And you know this isn't sour grapes. I've been saying it for two years. Let's see how much the good fans in Seattle enjoy his complete indifference on the basepaths. And God forbid the team is 15 games under .500 in July. They'll be lucky if he even remembers where the stadium is.

I cant wait to watch Ellsbury hustle his way to broken ribs and miss half a season!

If it happens, it happens. But at least he'll be hustling.

When Bryce Harper hustled his way into the outfield wall and injured his hip in Atlanta on April 29, he was hitting .356/.437/.744. When he did the same thing three weeks later in Los Angeles and hurt his knee he was hitting .303/.400/.622. He missed five weeks and finished the season at .274/.368/.486.

I really, really wish he'd just let those fly balls bounce off the wall for doubles.

 

[Raider Nation]

I hear your point, but it's not apples to apples.

There is NO reason not to bust it out of the box. I don't care if it's the most routine grounder that was ever hit.

 

[Master of Past and Present]

Can't say I'm at all excited about Cano signing. That length and amount just is scary stupid for someone starting it over 30. Over the ten years, I fully expect this to be a deal we'll hate more than Yankee fans wish they'd done.

 

[Paulymaggs]

I hear your point, but it's not apples to apples.

There is NO reason not to bust it out of the box. I don't care if it's the most routine grounder that was ever hit.

Seattle is already Russel Wilson's town. I am guessing they won't care how much Cano cares about routine plays if the W's are there.

I think the Mariners have about $40 million or so more to spend on 2014 salaries to get more W's.

 

[Paulymaggs]

Can't say I'm at all excited about Cano signing. That length and amount just is scary stupid for someone starting it over 30. Over the ten years, I fully expect this to be a deal we'll hate more than Yankee fans wish they'd done.

Rather have Cano than either the Ellsbury or Granderson deals.

The rate at which Granderson has declined is almost Pujols-esque.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Can't say I'm at all excited about Cano signing. That length and amount just is scary stupid for someone starting it over 30. Over the ten years, I fully expect this to be a deal we'll hate more than Yankee fans wish they'd done.

Cano is a premium fielder though, so you're getting corner infield production for the bulk of that contract. That's why giving him such a big contract makes more sense tahn giveing say Prince Fielder a big contract. I like the move for the M's.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Can't say I'm at all excited about Cano signing. That length and amount just is scary stupid for someone starting it over 30. Over the ten years, I fully expect this to be a deal we'll hate more than Yankee fans wish they'd done.

Rather have Cano than either the Ellsbury or Granderson deals.

The rate at which Granderson has declined is almost Pujols-esque.

He was hurt all year last year, a broken finger and wrist. The two years prior he hit 40 HRs and had a combined .860 OPS.

He was always a shaky fielder, but he still has tremendous range and will be fine in CF for another year or two.

 

[Eephus]

Granderson is a huge upgrade over the likes of Mike Baxter, Kirk Niewenhuis and Matt den Dekker.

 

[Da Guru]

McCann and Ellsbury for Cano and Grandy.

All good players but don`t think the Yankees improved their team. Keeping Cano in the middle of that lineup was the key to the next level.

 

[Raider Nation]

McCann and Ellsbury for Cano and Grandy.

All good players but don`t think the Yankees improved their team. Keeping Cano in the middle of that lineup was the key to the next level.

It's all about pitching, brother. If the rotation doesn't improve, nothing else will matter.

 

[Da Guru]

That is true..but the Yankees were willing to pony up 175 for Cano so there will be some cash for pitching. Omar Infante will be the next Yankee signing.

 

[=Smackdown=]

Granderson is a huge upgrade over the likes of Mike Baxter, Kirk Niewenhuis and Matt den Dekker.

Agreed

He instantly becomes their 2nd best player

A move the Mets HAD to make.

 

[SwampDawg]

That is true..but the Yankees were willing to pony up 175 for Cano so there will be some cash for pitching. Omar Infante will be the next Yankee signing.

Totally agree.