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*** 2013 Official Philadelphia Eagles - NFC EAST CHAMPS*** (1 Viewer)

So 6-10 right?
Even that seems unlikely at this point. They have a relatively weak schedule but these guys are going to be dead by November with the pace and TOP.
Yeah, I wonder about the team's fatigue level over the whole season as well as how the weather changing could effect Chip's offense.
Yeah, although I don't think it affects his offense too much. He is more of a running guy anyways so that should play into his strengths and the Pacific Northwest doesn't have the best weather.

But the difference between 4 wins and 6 wins is just waiting longer for your first pick so it has an upside.

 
So how soon until we fire up the start Nick Foles train? 10 days or 10 minutes?
Vick still has a bit of time under center. They didn't keep him on to bench him 3 games later especially on the heels of 2 very good games. Assuming Vick stays healthy, Foles won't be seen til November and most likely after the bye at the earliest.

 
So how soon until we fire up the start Nick Foles train? 10 days or 10 minutes?
Vick still has a bit of time under center. They didn't keep him on to bench him 3 games later especially on the heels of 2 very good games. Assuming Vick stays healthy, Foles won't be seen til November and most likely after the bye at the earliest.
I know, just stirring the pot a little bit. And aggravated with seeing the old Vick up to his old tricks.

 
So 6-10 right?
Even that seems unlikely at this point. They have a relatively weak schedule but these guys are going to be dead by November with the pace and TOP.
Let's not fall off the rails the other way now. Truthfully getting off to that great start against what is probably a bad Washington team wasn't a good thing. Everyone get these unrealistic expectations all of a sudden. This is still a transition team with a lot of turnover at coaching and personnel. It's not getting fixed in a year. 6-10 would be a good season and I think very attainable. If they suck worse than that well at least they're getting a QB next year.

The point is, this year was always going to be a transition year. We take our lumps and get another draft to get more Kelly guys in here. Kelly will be here. Lurie gives an incredibly long leash. Hopefully we show signs of improvement towards the end of the season. Next year will need to be moving into the 8 to 9 win area or this could get ugly.

 
So 6-10 right?
Even that seems unlikely at this point. They have a relatively weak schedule but these guys are going to be dead by November with the pace and TOP.
Let's not fall off the rails the other way now. Truthfully getting off to that great start against what is probably a bad Washington team wasn't a good thing. Everyone get these unrealistic expectations all of a sudden. This is still a transition team with a lot of turnover at coaching and personnel. It's not getting fixed in a year. 6-10 would be a good season and I think very attainable. If they suck worse than that well at least they're getting a QB next year.

The point is, this year was always going to be a transition year. We take our lumps and get another draft to get more Kelly guys in here. Kelly will be here. Lurie gives an incredibly long leash. Hopefully we show signs of improvement towards the end of the season. Next year will need to be moving into the 8 to 9 win area or this could get ugly.
"Lets not fall off the rails" then discuss next year and a long leash 3 games in? :lmao:
 
So 6-10 right?
Even that seems unlikely at this point. They have a relatively weak schedule but these guys are going to be dead by November with the pace and TOP.
Let's not fall off the rails the other way now. Truthfully getting off to that great start against what is probably a bad Washington team wasn't a good thing. Everyone get these unrealistic expectations all of a sudden. This is still a transition team with a lot of turnover at coaching and personnel. It's not getting fixed in a year. 6-10 would be a good season and I think very attainable. If they suck worse than that well at least they're getting a QB next year.

The point is, this year was always going to be a transition year. We take our lumps and get another draft to get more Kelly guys in here. Kelly will be here. Lurie gives an incredibly long leash. Hopefully we show signs of improvement towards the end of the season. Next year will need to be moving into the 8 to 9 win area or this could get ugly.
"Lets not fall off the rails" then discuss next year and a long leash 3 games in? :lmao:
I was referring to the team being dead by November. They'll still be playing hard. Two weeks ago this team was winning the NFC East. Now we're going 1-15. Let's just take a step back and realize that this team is probably about a 5 or 6 win team this year.

 
So 6-10 right?
Even that seems unlikely at this point. They have a relatively weak schedule but these guys are going to be dead by November with the pace and TOP.
Let's not fall off the rails the other way now. Truthfully getting off to that great start against what is probably a bad Washington team wasn't a good thing. Everyone get these unrealistic expectations all of a sudden. This is still a transition team with a lot of turnover at coaching and personnel. It's not getting fixed in a year. 6-10 would be a good season and I think very attainable. If they suck worse than that well at least they're getting a QB next year.

The point is, this year was always going to be a transition year. We take our lumps and get another draft to get more Kelly guys in here. Kelly will be here. Lurie gives an incredibly long leash. Hopefully we show signs of improvement towards the end of the season. Next year will need to be moving into the 8 to 9 win area or this could get ugly.
I'm not falling off the rails. I never bought into this team as a playoff team. I was in the 6-10 crowd but they just lost 2 of their more winnable games (granted the NFC East is worse than anyone thought). I guess with Arizona and Oakland still left, they can get to that 5-6 win level but its going to be a long season especially if its like the last 2 weeks where one side of the ball decides to show up.

As far as being dead by November, it has nothing to do with trying hard, it has to do with limitations. Chip Kelly ran this pace for 19-22 year-olds when they played 12-13 times a year. We are now going to see what happens when 28, 29, 30 year-olds have to do this 16 times. Add in the fact that rosters are smaller and NFL teams will be content eating up TOP and I can't see how guys like Cole can keep up production into December.

 
So 6-10 right?
Even that seems unlikely at this point. They have a relatively weak schedule but these guys are going to be dead by November with the pace and TOP.
Yeah, I wonder about the team's fatigue level over the whole season as well as how the weather changing could effect Chip's offense.
On 94.1 yesterday they pointed out that our offense last year ran more plays then our offense has this year.....The fatigue things seems to be getting oveplayed a bit.

 
We all knew what this team would be record wise....IMHO only the ones who went SB crazy after Washington are suprised by this.

Anything from 6-10 to 8-8 would be fine with me

 
We all knew what this team would be record wise....IMHO only the ones who went SB crazy after Washington are suprised by this.

Anything from 6-10 to 8-8 would be fine with me
I'm even OK with 4-12. I don't think that happens though. Game 2, the defense let them down big time. Last night, it was about sloppy football and they were still in position to win that game (until the Chiefs ran out the clock with nail-in-coffin TD). The offense works, it's just the others cogs (defense, discipline) that need ironed out. KC offense is not very good but the D did take a step forward.

As for Vick, that is what you're going to get from him. Some games he's going to look great and others he's going to throw picks and make very questionable throws. But he is the right QB to run this system. I still believe that.

 
We all knew what this team would be record wise....IMHO only the ones who went SB crazy after Washington are suprised by this.

Anything from 6-10 to 8-8 would be fine with me
As for Vick, that is what you're going to get from him. Some games he's going to look great and others he's going to throw picks and make very questionable throws. But he is the right QB to run this system. I still believe that.
Exactly. Last night, after his 65 yard run, I was thinking that there are only one or two other QBs in all of football who are gifted enough to pull that off. A few other times, when he threw the pick six and fumbled when being sacked, I was thinking that I'm so tired of his senseless turnovers. He is a frustrating guy to have as the QB of your favorite team. He can single-handedly win games for you and lose them.

 
Disappointment isn't that they lost, it's that the offense couldn't put up points on a good but not elite defense. They took Jackson away, and the Eagles had no answer other than McCoy and QB keepers. The turnovers hurt but given it was a short week, you'd expect an edge there, that KC didn't have time to prepare. When they were down 10-0 I thought, oh, this offense can score 10 points fast. But they didn't. If Kelly's offense is not a problem for good DC, that's not a good omen for future success. And this team won't be fun to watch, which is all you hoped for out of 2013.

 
I think the offense will be just fine, just maybe not this season with the current QB's. Kelly has said he wants a QB who can get it out quick and accurate. Watching last night, Vick was inconsistent with his accuracy, and at times held the ball way too long. Factor in that he has no awareness of the pass rushers around him and when he has to get rid of the ball, and you see why he is so susceptible to sacks and turnovers.

I said it last year: Vick is like an 8th grader trying to take a graduate course. Because he never really tried to learn the QB position in college and with the Falcons, he has no base to build from, and even though the effort is there now, I think it is just to steep a hill for him to climb.

Defensively, as with most teams who are transitioning from one defense to another, they are going to be very inconsistent. I thought they played well most of the night, but were way to soft in the middle of the field.

If the Eagles can get a QB who has the intelligence, quickness, and accuracy to run this offense, and get a stud leader on defense, I think the Eagles will be much improved next year.

 
I think not having Maclin available takes a lot away from this offense. Cooper sucks and should not be starting. Once Maclin returns next year, this offense will be as explosive as any (assuming they stay healthy).

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
My BIGGEST worry at this point with the offense is that Reid seemed to know the mistakes Vick would make, even in this offense....
@Jeff_McLane: Safe to say Chiefs set early template for how to slow Chip Kelly's offense - Man coverage w/ 1 safety over top shaded toward DeSean Jackson.

 
We all knew what this team would be record wise....IMHO only the ones who went SB crazy after Washington are suprised by this.

Anything from 6-10 to 8-8 would be fine with me
the problem is that was a fair amount of people

that first half against Washington they looked awesome and some people (egged on by the media) tried to project that awesome half into 30 awesome halves the next 15 games and got all crazy

turns out as expected this team needs some work, and the skins do too which helped the eagles look good that half

AS I have said in most of these threads though, the entire division is flawed, and not coincidentally still winless against anyone outside the division. That means the Eagles can work on improving and still have a shot at being respectable within the division

 
I think the offense will be just fine, just maybe not this season with the current QB's. Kelly has said he wants a QB who can get it out quick and accurate. Watching last night, Vick was inconsistent with his accuracy, and at times held the ball way too long. Factor in that he has no awareness of the pass rushers around him and when he has to get rid of the ball, and you see why he is so susceptible to sacks and turnovers.

I said it last year: Vick is like an 8th grader trying to take a graduate course. Because he never really tried to learn the QB position in college and with the Falcons, he has no base to build from, and even though the effort is there now, I think it is just to steep a hill for him to climb.

Defensively, as with most teams who are transitioning from one defense to another, they are going to be very inconsistent. I thought they played well most of the night, but were way to soft in the middle of the field.

If the Eagles can get a QB who has the intelligence, quickness, and accuracy to run this offense, and get a stud leader on defense, I think the Eagles will be much improved next year.
those are two pretty big holes that are not easy to fill though

 
I think the offense will be just fine, just maybe not this season with the current QB's. Kelly has said he wants a QB who can get it out quick and accurate. Watching last night, Vick was inconsistent with his accuracy, and at times held the ball way too long. Factor in that he has no awareness of the pass rushers around him and when he has to get rid of the ball, and you see why he is so susceptible to sacks and turnovers.

I said it last year: Vick is like an 8th grader trying to take a graduate course. Because he never really tried to learn the QB position in college and with the Falcons, he has no base to build from, and even though the effort is there now, I think it is just to steep a hill for him to climb.

Defensively, as with most teams who are transitioning from one defense to another, they are going to be very inconsistent. I thought they played well most of the night, but were way to soft in the middle of the field.

If the Eagles can get a QB who has the intelligence, quickness, and accuracy to run this offense, and get a stud leader on defense, I think the Eagles will be much improved next year.
those are two pretty big holes that are not easy to fill though
You are exactly right. I hope they fill at least one in this next off-season (QB preferred)

 
We all knew what this team would be record wise....IMHO only the ones who went SB crazy after Washington are suprised by this.

Anything from 6-10 to 8-8 would be fine with me
the problem is that was a fair amount of people

that first half against Washington they looked awesome and some people (egged on by the media) tried to project that awesome half into 30 awesome halves the next 15 games and got all crazy

turns out as expected this team needs some work, and the skins do too which helped the eagles look good that half

AS I have said in most of these threads though, the entire division is flawed, and not coincidentally still winless against anyone outside the division. That means the Eagles can work on improving and still have a shot at being respectable within the division
Agrred. After 3 games, we are who we thought we were 2-3 months ago. I see the potential with the offense and LOVE how the OL and running game have looked. I was WAYYYY off on the D though, I'm hoping they show some improvment as the season goes on.

 
don't throw things at me....

Johnny Football?
I'm the exception, I know, but the only QB I am intriguid by is Mariota.

Johnny Football is small and reeks of just a college QB and late 2nd round pick
he's got some wheels, he's got a gun

and Chip may not be as quick to think that some QBs are just college qbs (i do not disagree with you for the record), some people think his system is a college system

 
don't throw things at me....

Johnny Football?
I'm the exception, I know, but the only QB I am intriguid by is Mariota.

Johnny Football is small and reeks of just a college QB and late 2nd round pick
he's got some wheels, he's got a gun

and Chip may not be as quick to think that some QBs are just college qbs (i do not disagree with you for the record), some people think his system is a college system
And he's a bigger QB.

I don't know what the masses think but when I watch the offense it doesnt look like college at all. Some things maybe but nothing like people thought it would look like a couple months ago.

 
One thing I can't stand any more is our inconsistent kicker. Its disheartening seeing guys drill 45+ yard fgs with ease and our guy who gives me no confidence every time he steps on the field.

 
One thing I can't stand any more is our inconsistent kicker. Its disheartening seeing guys drill 45+ yard fgs with ease and our guy who gives me no confidence every time he steps on the field.
Poor draft choices, personnel decisions that broke with the line of thinking that got the team to the brink of a championship and an overall "scattered" way of operating are what led to the downfall of the Philadelphia Eagles under Andy Reid.

All of that was according to owner Jeffrey Lurie.

Lurie added: "I think we lost some of the method we have all shared that created the success, which was discipline, strategic thinking, don't do necessarily what was popular but what was right."

 
I think not having Maclin available takes a lot away from this offense. Cooper sucks and should not be starting. Once Maclin returns next year, this offense will be as explosive as any (assuming they stay healthy).
:goodposting: x1000. Safety over top of Desean and you have no one else to throw to. They need 2 more receivers for this offense.

 
I think not having Maclin available takes a lot away from this offense. Cooper sucks and should not be starting. Once Maclin returns next year, this offense will be as explosive as any (assuming they stay healthy).
:goodposting: x1000. Safety over top of Desean and you have no one else to throw to. They need 2 more receivers for this offense.
Or Ertz to be Gronk lol
:lol: That would be gold, Jerry! Wouldn't it be nice though to see Desean catch a pass on a short under route, like Avery was doing? A shame he's 145lbs soaking wet, I'd be sending him across the middle with a LB trying to keep up with him.

 
31 yr old Jason Peters coming off Achilles surgery playing 3 games in 10 days at Kelly's pace was clearly detrimental. He probably had his worst game as an Eagle. Herremans is done. And what was Kelce doing? :loco:

 
Kelce had his right hand wrapped pretty good from a broken thumb I believe. You would think the announcers on the NFL Network would be aware of a center having a wrapped broken thumb on his snapping hand.

 
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I think the offense will be just fine, just maybe not this season with the current QB's. Kelly has said he wants a QB who can get it out quick and accurate. Watching last night, Vick was inconsistent with his accuracy, and at times held the ball way too long. Factor in that he has no awareness of the pass rushers around him and when he has to get rid of the ball, and you see why he is so susceptible to sacks and turnovers.

I said it last year: Vick is like an 8th grader trying to take a graduate course. Because he never really tried to learn the QB position in college and with the Falcons, he has no base to build from, and even though the effort is there now, I think it is just to steep a hill for him to climb.

Defensively, as with most teams who are transitioning from one defense to another, they are going to be very inconsistent. I thought they played well most of the night, but were way to soft in the middle of the field.

If the Eagles can get a QB who has the intelligence, quickness, and accuracy to run this offense, and get a stud leader on defense, I think the Eagles will be much improved next year.
Pretty much this. Everybody on ESPN/NFL Network/etc. thought "oh Vick is a perfect fit because he can run!" I think Chip wants a QB with mobility, but it is NOT the most important attribute. I know it's only one game, but it was a great reminder that Vick is who he is. He's short term.

 
Billy Bats said:
Kelce had his right hand wrapped pretty good from a broken thumb I believe. You would think the announcers on the NFL Network would be aware of a center having a wrapped broken thumb on his snapping hand.
That is a lot to ask considering that Nessler claimed that Bryce Brown took a handoff for the Chiefs. But it was helpful when they advised that 3rd and 15 was a tough situation to be in.

 
@RoobCSN: Eagles have allowed 15th-most passing yards in NFL history through 3 games facing QBs ranked 21st, 22nd & 34th in pass yards/game in 2012.

 
Awful Waffle said:
I think the offense will be just fine, just maybe not this season with the current QB's. Kelly has said he wants a QB who can get it out quick and accurate. Watching last night, Vick was inconsistent with his accuracy, and at times held the ball way too long. Factor in that he has no awareness of the pass rushers around him and when he has to get rid of the ball, and you see why he is so susceptible to sacks and turnovers.

I said it last year: Vick is like an 8th grader trying to take a graduate course. Because he never really tried to learn the QB position in college and with the Falcons, he has no base to build from, and even though the effort is there now, I think it is just to steep a hill for him to climb.

Defensively, as with most teams who are transitioning from one defense to another, they are going to be very inconsistent. I thought they played well most of the night, but were way to soft in the middle of the field.

If the Eagles can get a QB who has the intelligence, quickness, and accuracy to run this offense, and get a stud leader on defense, I think the Eagles will be much improved next year.
Pretty much this. Everybody on ESPN/NFL Network/etc. thought "oh Vick is a perfect fit because he can run!" I think Chip wants a QB with mobility, but it is NOT the most important attribute. I know it's only one game, but it was a great reminder that Vick is who he is. He's short term.
Yes. I think someone with Andrew Luck's skill set would be perfect. Big arm, accurate, makes good decisions and is still a threat to run. Too bad Andrew Luck's dint grow on trees.

 
Billy Bats said:
Kelce had his right hand wrapped pretty good from a broken thumb I believe. You would think the announcers on the NFL Network would be aware of a center having a wrapped broken thumb on his snapping hand.
That is a lot to ask considering that Nessler claimed that Bryce Brown took a handoff for the Chiefs. But it was helpful when they advised that 3rd and 15 was a tough situation to be in.
Especially pertinent when it was 2nd and 15.

 

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