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*** 2013 Official Philadelphia Eagles - NFC EAST CHAMPS*** (1 Viewer)

renesauz said:
VERY dissapointed in Foles today. A lot of poorly placed balls that ended drives. Not sure where that came from, because accuracy, to this point, has been his greatest strength, and it just wasn't there today. Announcers seemed to think he was nursing an injury that was hindering him?

MUCH better performance by the defense today If they play defense anything close to that well the rest of the year, the Eagles will still win this division (I'm pretty confident the offensive output today was an abberation and not the start of a negative trend)
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Even befoee the injury, he looked tentative. Held the ball too long. Didn't trust his own arm today. Easily his worst game since last year against the Cowboys.

 
Insein said:
renesauz said:
VERY dissapointed in Foles today. A lot of poorly placed balls that ended drives. Not sure where that came from, because accuracy, to this point, has been his greatest strength, and it just wasn't there today. Announcers seemed to think he was nursing an injury that was hindering him?

MUCH better performance by the defense today If they play defense anything close to that well the rest of the year, the Eagles will still win this division (I'm pretty confident the offensive output today was an abberation and not the start of a negative trend)
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Even befoee the injury, he looked tentative. Held the ball too long. Didn't trust his own arm today. Easily his worst game since last year against the Cowboys.
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It wasn't how he held the ball that bothered me (he had decent protection), it was how he missed one wide open receiver after another. Easily missed 6 or 8 ROUTINE passes that any NFL QB should make. Was just off for some reason.....which, lets be honest, happens with every QB once in a while.

More disturbing is the Eagles inability to play a complete game at home. Thats what...9 straight losses at home? Every home game some unit fails to show up, and it's gotten to the point of ridiculous. We all know this isn't a very good team, but they are better than they played today.

 
renesauz said:
VERY dissapointed in Foles today. A lot of poorly placed balls that ended drives. Not sure where that came from, because accuracy, to this point, has been his greatest strength, and it just wasn't there today. Announcers seemed to think he was nursing an injury that was hindering him?

MUCH better performance by the defense today If they play defense anything close to that well the rest of the year, the Eagles will still win this division (I'm pretty confident the offensive output today was an abberation and not the start of a negative trend)
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Yeah, I was shocked at how bad Foles played, not even sure what to say about it other than he flat out crapped the bed in a very important game for the team and himself. I have to give him the benefit of the doubt today since he's still shown more good than bad overall so far in his career. I think it was a mix of just being totally off and also getting dinged up in the first half. He seemed to be running around a bit more than usual as well.

Defense was definitely a big time positive today, kept this game from being a blowout against a good offense.

 
I'll tell you something guys, today was the first game I was at since the SF debacle two years ago and man I so miss the Vet. I'm 44 and was at many many games there.

The Linc is like a mausoleum. No energy, no juice. I was amazed how many people weren't even in seats early on. I was able to casually talk the whole game. It sucked.

 
I'm happy the Giants won that game. Wouldn't wanna play a desperate, winless team on a field we haven't won on in over a year. They got the win, still didn't look great, and have a short week on the road. We should win, right? :S

 
Deamon said:
I'm happy the Giants won that game. Wouldn't wanna play a desperate, winless team on a field we haven't won on in over a year. They got the win, still didn't look great, and have a short week on the road. We should win, right? :S
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Should be a win if the team plays up to their potential, Giants looked awful to me. I just hope that Vick can and will actually run, if he's going to be a pure pocket passer this week then all bets are off.

 
why did they kick the on-side here with 4 min left 1 TO and 2 min warning? why go for it on 4th & 20?

Does anyone else miss Andy Reid?

 
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I've tried to defend Chip Kelly, but he's made some really bad decisions. Mostly 4th down and end of game/half decisions. Defense is playing better. QB is 100% the biggest need for this team. Hell, draft two next year.

 
Barkley is far from the answer, I know it's a tough situation but I don't even see flashes from him. Defense is pretty solid lately.

 
It's to the point that running the read option with Barkley faking like he's running is as bad as Reid's play action passing calls used to be.

 
Some good first. The offensive and defensive schemes look to be solid. The furst 6 weeks, the offense was ranked 2nd overall. We've seen what a lack of talent at qb does to a team in the last 2 weeks though. On defense, they seem to be settling in to the transition to a 3-4. Again better personnel is needed.

The bad is Kelly seems to be making some really bad rookie coaching mistakes. Hopefully he gets them all out this year since ita looking like it will be what we thought at the beginning of the year. A 6-10 type of team.

 
Dixon is on Buffalo's practice squad now. They'd have to put him on the active roster and give him at least 3 paychecks. So maybe depends on their assessment of when Foles is back.

 
Insein said:
Some good first. The offensive and defensive schemes look to be solid. The furst 6 weeks, the offense was ranked 2nd overall. We've seen what a lack of talent at qb does to a team in the last 2 weeks though. On defense, they seem to be settling in to the transition to a 3-4. Again better personnel is needed.

The bad is Kelly seems to be making some really bad rookie coaching mistakes. Hopefully he gets them all out this year since ita looking like it will be what we thought at the beginning of the year. A 6-10 type of team.
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You certainly have to give the defense credit in the past 2 games.

Obviously the QB play was poor the last 2 weeks, but do we think that defensive coordinators have caught up to what Chip was doing? I mean, how was Foles so lost last week? Poise seemed to be one thing that he usually had.

 
Long Ball Larry said:
Insein said:
Some good first. The offensive and defensive schemes look to be solid. The furst 6 weeks, the offense was ranked 2nd overall. We've seen what a lack of talent at qb does to a team in the last 2 weeks though. On defense, they seem to be settling in to the transition to a 3-4. Again better personnel is needed.

The bad is Kelly seems to be making some really bad rookie coaching mistakes. Hopefully he gets them all out this year since ita looking like it will be what we thought at the beginning of the year. A 6-10 type of team.
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You certainly have to give the defense credit in the past 2 games.

Obviously the QB play was poor the last 2 weeks, but do we think that defensive coordinators have caught up to what Chip was doing? I mean, how was Foles so lost last week? Poise seemed to be one thing that he usually had.
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You can't account for the moment getting to a guy. He literally had his future in his hands. He beats Dallas and the starting job is all but his. He choked and then added injury to insult.

From what the experts like didinger said, the plays were there to be made. Guys were open. Foles just didn't hit them. He plays like the tampa game and we probably steam roll dallas with how our defense was.

 
Long Ball Larry said:
Insein said:
Some good first. The offensive and defensive schemes look to be solid. The furst 6 weeks, the offense was ranked 2nd overall. We've seen what a lack of talent at qb does to a team in the last 2 weeks though. On defense, they seem to be settling in to the transition to a 3-4. Again better personnel is needed.

The bad is Kelly seems to be making some really bad rookie coaching mistakes. Hopefully he gets them all out this year since ita looking like it will be what we thought at the beginning of the year. A 6-10 type of team.
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You certainly have to give the defense credit in the past 2 games.

Obviously the QB play was poor the last 2 weeks, but do we think that defensive coordinators have caught up to what Chip was doing? I mean, how was Foles so lost last week? Poise seemed to be one thing that he usually had.
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If you go back and look at the all-22 tape from the Dallas game you'll see that Foles had people open and just flat out missed them.

The whole "people have figured Chip out" thing is getting severly overplayed IMO. We were the #2 offense in the league going into the Dallas game. That's with what exactly? Vick/Foles, McCoy and now true #1 WR to be found. IMO, that's pretty impressive.

We knew it would take time. And we all pretty must said 6-10/8-8 would suffice so long as we saw some growth in areas. Again, IMO we have seen this opn both sides of the ball.

We need a QB, a true #1 WR or TE....as pure pass rushing OLB and some secondary.

 
Billy Bats said:
It's to the point that running the read option with Barkley faking like he's running is as bad as Reid's play action passing calls used to be.
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Agreed. This has me concerned a bit. I thought he would have seperate playbooks for each QB and that hasnt been the case so far.

 
Curious...Is the issue purely on the QB position or is the new coach's offense just not panning out in the NFL?

Sorry, haven't got to see much of your team.

 
RGIII HTTR said:
Curious...Is the issue purely on the QB position or is the new coach's offense just not panning out in the NFL?

Sorry, haven't got to see much of your team.
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I've pointed out in other threads, the Eagles' offense was top 3 (2?) in the NFL before the QBs started getting injured. There hasn't been a game yet where the defense has just stifled the offense. Its been poor QB play.

 
Amused to Death said:
RGIII HTTR said:
Curious...Is the issue purely on the QB position or is the new coach's offense just not panning out in the NFL?

Sorry, haven't got to see much of your team.
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I've pointed out in other threads, the Eagles' offense was top 3 (2?) in the NFL before the QBs started getting injured. There hasn't been a game yet where the defense has just stifled the offense. Its been poor QB play.
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Of course, the higher ranking is boosted in beginning as D coordinators have not had as much time to watch how the offense works as was the case in Washington (ie read offense) last year. Does the system lead to a QB staying healthy? I recall Vick saying earlier in the year that he wondered how he'd make through an entire season at the rate they were going.

 
RGIII HTTR said:
Amused to Death said:
RGIII HTTR said:
Curious...Is the issue purely on the QB position or is the new coach's offense just not panning out in the NFL?

Sorry, haven't got to see much of your team.
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I've pointed out in other threads, the Eagles' offense was top 3 (2?) in the NFL before the QBs started getting injured. There hasn't been a game yet where the defense has just stifled the offense. Its been poor QB play.
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Of course, the higher ranking is boosted in beginning as D coordinators have not had as much time to watch how the offense works as was the case in Washington (ie read offense) last year. Does the system lead to a QB staying healthy? I recall Vick saying earlier in the year that he wondered how he'd make through an entire season at the rate they were going.
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When you watch the games, the plays are on the field. The QBs just aren't executing. Especially Barkley. Foles left a lot of points on the field with his inaccuracy against Dallas. As for the QB staying healthy, you can say the same for Washington, SF, Seattle....

 
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Insein said:
Long Ball Larry said:
Insein said:
Some good first. The offensive and defensive schemes look to be solid. The furst 6 weeks, the offense was ranked 2nd overall. We've seen what a lack of talent at qb does to a team in the last 2 weeks though. On defense, they seem to be settling in to the transition to a 3-4. Again better personnel is needed.

The bad is Kelly seems to be making some really bad rookie coaching mistakes. Hopefully he gets them all out this year since ita looking like it will be what we thought at the beginning of the year. A 6-10 type of team.
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You certainly have to give the defense credit in the past 2 games.

Obviously the QB play was poor the last 2 weeks, but do we think that defensive coordinators have caught up to what Chip was doing? I mean, how was Foles so lost last week? Poise seemed to be one thing that he usually had.
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You can't account for the moment getting to a guy. He literally had his future in his hands. He beats Dallas and the starting job is all but his. He choked and then added injury to insult.

From what the experts like didinger said, the plays were there to be made. Guys were open. Foles just didn't hit them. He plays like the tampa game and we probably steam roll dallas with how our defense was.
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That Tampa defense is apparently in roll-over mode now, that wasn't as tough a matchup as it first appeared.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Insein said:
Long Ball Larry said:
Insein said:
Some good first. The offensive and defensive schemes look to be solid. The furst 6 weeks, the offense was ranked 2nd overall. We've seen what a lack of talent at qb does to a team in the last 2 weeks though. On defense, they seem to be settling in to the transition to a 3-4. Again better personnel is needed.

The bad is Kelly seems to be making some really bad rookie coaching mistakes. Hopefully he gets them all out this year since ita looking like it will be what we thought at the beginning of the year. A 6-10 type of team.
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You certainly have to give the defense credit in the past 2 games.

Obviously the QB play was poor the last 2 weeks, but do we think that defensive coordinators have caught up to what Chip was doing? I mean, how was Foles so lost last week? Poise seemed to be one thing that he usually had.
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You can't account for the moment getting to a guy. He literally had his future in his hands. He beats Dallas and the starting job is all but his. He choked and then added injury to insult.From what the experts like didinger said, the plays were there to be made. Guys were open. Foles just didn't hit them. He plays like the tampa game and we probably steam roll dallas with how our defense was.
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That Tampa defense is apparently in roll-over mode now, that wasn't as tough a matchup as it first appeared.
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Not like Dallas was a defensice juggernaut though. Foles choked. The film shows all the guys he missed. The almost interception to Avant is a microchasm of how bad he was.

 
Amused to Death said:
RGIII HTTR said:
Amused to Death said:
RGIII HTTR said:
Curious...Is the issue purely on the QB position or is the new coach's offense just not panning out in the NFL?

Sorry, haven't got to see much of your team.
Click to expand...
I've pointed out in other threads, the Eagles' offense was top 3 (2?) in the NFL before the QBs started getting injured. There hasn't been a game yet where the defense has just stifled the offense. Its been poor QB play.
Click to expand...
Of course, the higher ranking is boosted in beginning as D coordinators have not had as much time to watch how the offense works as was the case in Washington (ie read offense) last year. Does the system lead to a QB staying healthy? I recall Vick saying earlier in the year that he wondered how he'd make through an entire season at the rate they were going.
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When you watch the games, the plays are on the field. The QBs just aren't executing. Especially Barkley. Foles left a lot of points on the field with his inaccuracy against Dallas. As for the QB staying healthy, you can say the same for Washington, SF, Seattle....
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All very valid to include them and I would agree that most of those are higher risk for injury. My point was the Vick said it...none of the other QB's from those team said it. Matter of fact, RGIII has tried to alter his approach to how he runs it to try to reduce the chances of injury. I'm not trying to stir an pot here, just wanted to ask you and other Eagle fans a serious question to reflect upon. If the system, which can work in college, does not allow the QB to stay healthy...then as an Eagle fan, you could be faced with wondering who your 2nd or 3rd QB is on a regular basis. Not in the regards of depth, but as in who is starting for you.

 
RGIII HTTR said:
Amused to Death said:
RGIII HTTR said:
Amused to Death said:
RGIII HTTR said:
Curious...Is the issue purely on the QB position or is the new coach's offense just not panning out in the NFL?

Sorry, haven't got to see much of your team.
Click to expand...
I've pointed out in other threads, the Eagles' offense was top 3 (2?) in the NFL before the QBs started getting injured. There hasn't been a game yet where the defense has just stifled the offense. Its been poor QB play.
Click to expand...
Of course, the higher ranking is boosted in beginning as D coordinators have not had as much time to watch how the offense works as was the case in Washington (ie read offense) last year. Does the system lead to a QB staying healthy? I recall Vick saying earlier in the year that he wondered how he'd make through an entire season at the rate they were going.
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When you watch the games, the plays are on the field. The QBs just aren't executing. Especially Barkley. Foles left a lot of points on the field with his inaccuracy against Dallas. As for the QB staying healthy, you can say the same for Washington, SF, Seattle....
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All very valid to include them and I would agree that most of those are higher risk for injury. My point was the Vick said it...none of the other QB's from those team said it. Matter of fact, RGIII has tried to alter his approach to how he runs it to try to reduce the chances of injury. I'm not trying to stir an pot here, just wanted to ask you and other Eagle fans a serious question to reflect upon. If the system, which can work in college, does not allow the QB to stay healthy...then as an Eagle fan, you could be faced with wondering who your 2nd or 3rd QB is on a regular basis. Not in the regards of depth, but as in who is starting for you.
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I think the quote you're referring to was after the first game, where Vick was lead blocking for McCoy and just putting himself at risk and taking a pounding. The system is supposed to be based on quick decisions and getting the ball out fast. When the QBs freeze, like Foles did, they get hit and get hurt. Vick was hurt just scrambling, which he's always done. Nothing to do with the system, more the players trying to do too much instead of just throwing he ball away and trying again.

 
RGIII HTTR said:
Amused to Death said:
RGIII HTTR said:
Amused to Death said:
RGIII HTTR said:
Curious...Is the issue purely on the QB position or is the new coach's offense just not panning out in the NFL?

Sorry, haven't got to see much of your team.
Click to expand...
I've pointed out in other threads, the Eagles' offense was top 3 (2?) in the NFL before the QBs started getting injured. There hasn't been a game yet where the defense has just stifled the offense. Its been poor QB play.
Click to expand...
Of course, the higher ranking is boosted in beginning as D coordinators have not had as much time to watch how the offense works as was the case in Washington (ie read offense) last year. Does the system lead to a QB staying healthy? I recall Vick saying earlier in the year that he wondered how he'd make through an entire season at the rate they were going.
Click to expand...
When you watch the games, the plays are on the field. The QBs just aren't executing. Especially Barkley. Foles left a lot of points on the field with his inaccuracy against Dallas. As for the QB staying healthy, you can say the same for Washington, SF, Seattle....
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All very valid to include them and I would agree that most of those are higher risk for injury. My point was the Vick said it...none of the other QB's from those team said it. Matter of fact, RGIII has tried to alter his approach to how he runs it to try to reduce the chances of injury. I'm not trying to stir an pot here, just wanted to ask you and other Eagle fans a serious question to reflect upon. If the system, which can work in college, does not allow the QB to stay healthy...then as an Eagle fan, you could be faced with wondering who your 2nd or 3rd QB is on a regular basis. Not in the regards of depth, but as in who is starting for you.
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Its a legitimate concern. But keep in mind, Vick's 33 and was injury prone before running the Kelly offense. Foles was injured just trying to scramble and get out of bounds. Something that happens in every offense. This is year 1 of a multi-year rebuild. Hopefully the long-term QB is in next year's draft.

 
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