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*** 2013 Official Philadelphia Eagles - NFC EAST CHAMPS*** (1 Viewer)

Its amazing that after such an ### whoppin' that I feel like they won today.
The Dallas loss combined with watching a team like the Saints shizz the bed makes me feel not so bad.

It's hard to believe we were down 5 at one point in the 4th quarter.
It shouldn't make you feel any better. In the Philly game thread today after the loss, I mentioned this loss by Philly doesn't make Dallas a better team, let's go watch Dallas struggle vs Green Bay.

It goes both ways, Dallas stinks but because they stink will not help Philly vs the elite teams. I understand what you're saying, it's where the phrase misery loves company evolved but it breeds mediocracy.

Philly really needs to figure out how a team minus the league's MVP and his backup were able to put up 48 points on them. How do you beat a Seattle or a 49er team doing that? Worrying about beating Dallas is just trying to be the best of a very bad division, maybe the worst I have ever seen it. Dallas plays Washington next week, another terrible team and that game could go either way.
Democracy of mediocrity?

 
Does anyone else think Chip should have challenged the McCoy run on 3rd and 1 when we ultimately didn't make it on 4th and 1? On the replay it was pretty clear that McCoy's elbow and the ball were down at the 25 before either of his knees hit.

I don't know who the Eagles have up in the booth advising Chip, but they blew an opportunity earlier in the season when one of the GB receivers was clearly out of bounds on a catch and they did not challenge. This needs to be fixed.

While the game was pretty much over, I was also so frustrated with over 5 minutes, left down by 3 scores when we got deep in Minnesota territory only to be called for a delay of game when the game clock was running. Not only that, once the penalty was marked off the clock started again and it took us like another 20 seconds to get the play off. We wasted like a minute off the game clock with the ball, down by 3 scores, and also got called for a delay of game. What's up with that, Chip?!

 
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Does anyone else think Chip should have challenged the McCoy run on 3rd and 1 when we ultimately didn't make it on 4th and 1? On the replay it was pretty clear that McCoy's elbow and the ball were down at the 25 before either of his knees hit.
I'm with you on that one. I saw the replay of McCoy's elbow landing first and wished someone would have caught that.

 
I completely disagree with resting players. If you want to treat it like the 3rd preseason game, maybe I'd go along with that but you cant have the starters prep all week like they're playing the game and then hours before just say oh btw you're not playing now. Thats not a week of rest and could cause a mental hiccup to do all that prep work in practice and then just not go. I don't like it and think it would screw them up more for the dallas game.

Adding to that, they just got thumped by an inferior team in Minnesota. So under the rest scenario, the starters prepare all week and get pumped to prove they aren't as bad as they looked in that game. Then a little before kickoff their told to hold that emotion one more week. The proverbial blue balling would not be good.
Ya that's a good point, it's not really a week of rest since they will need to be preparing hard all week. It only really saves them being banged up or injured.

I think maybe a good solution would be to start the game fired up, going through regular routine, and play out the first half... but if Dallas has won, I really don't see the point in playing the starters in the 2nd half.

 
I completely disagree with resting players. If you want to treat it like the 3rd preseason game, maybe I'd go along with that but you cant have the starters prep all week like they're playing the game and then hours before just say oh btw you're not playing now. Thats not a week of rest and could cause a mental hiccup to do all that prep work in practice and then just not go. I don't like it and think it would screw them up more for the dallas game.

Adding to that, they just got thumped by an inferior team in Minnesota. So under the rest scenario, the starters prepare all week and get pumped to prove they aren't as bad as they looked in that game. Then a little before kickoff their told to hold that emotion one more week. The proverbial blue balling would not be good.
Ya that's a good point, it's not really a week of rest since they will need to be preparing hard all week. It only really saves them being banged up or injured.

I think maybe a good solution would be to start the game fired up, going through regular routine, and play out the first half... but if Dallas has won, I really don't see the point in playing the starters in the 2nd half.
I can sort of go along with this. If the game is close though, it'll be hard to justify to the players that we're quitting this week to play for next.

 
Chip flat out just said they will not rest starters. Regardless of the earlier games, they need to get back on track with winning. End of story

Also, was asked if he considered himself a 'professional coach' rather than a college coach (in reference to his name being constantly mentioned for upcoming college gigs). "I've felt like a professional 8 times this year. The other 6 games I didn't."

 
The Bears need the win. They will be playing hard. The Eagles just got blown out by a terrible Vikings team. If anyone thinks that Kelly wants to go into the Dallas game losing two in a row and destroying any momentum and confidence they got winning those five in a row, they're crazy. Also, Kelly is coaching on prime time national television. As a coach of the year candidate. There is a zero percent chance that starters are rested.

 
so let me get this striaght, if Dallas looses then Philly clinches the division regardless of any of Phillys games out comes?
I'm assuming you are being sarcastic, but if not-no. I messed up with my post earlier, thinking they'd be going into week 17 up 2 games. If Dallas loses and the Birds win, week 17 means nothing.

The original gist of my post was that we either win the division or we don't make the playoffs. WC is not possible at this point.

 
so let me get this striaght, if Dallas looses then Philly clinches the division regardless of any of Phillys games out comes?
No. They would have had to beat Minnesota for that. They need to beat Chicago if dallas loses.
so whats all this resting players talk about then?
People want them to rest players if Dallas wins. Because essentially it will be dallas vs philly in week 17 for the division regardless of what the Eagles do at that point.

 
so let me get this striaght, if Dallas looses then Philly clinches the division regardless of any of Phillys games out comes?
No. They would have had to beat Minnesota for that. They need to beat Chicago if dallas loses.
so whats all this resting players talk about then?
People want them to rest players if Dallas wins. Because essentially it will be dallas vs philly in week 17 for the division regardless of what the Eagles do at that point.
oh got ya. sheesh they might do it then. Philly will have nothing to gain if Dallas wins, go it

 
They need to work on getting better. No way they should be resting anyone. Maybe give McCoy and DJax some extra series off, but that's it

 
They need to work on getting better. No way they should be resting anyone. Maybe give McCoy and DJax some extra series off, but that's it
I agree we need to improve, and there's other factors discussed above that definitely come into play, but I think people are underestimating how beneficial extra rest is for this team. The Eagles are 14-1 after bye weeks in the last 15 years, and look how great we came out vs wash and ari this year.

Not saying we should, but it's at least worth some consideration. My hope obviously is that Dallas loses and the Bears game becomes relevant so we can win it, and the division title. I think if that ends up happening, then we would for sure rest our starters vs Dallas.

 
Chip said they had no plans for resting starters in Week 16 even if Dallas loses.
All I want to know is what he plans to do with Hester. If he plans on doing that same #### with the Bears we will be in bad shape. Or he better go get a damn kick-off specialist for this week

 
I honestly don't understand how we are the only NFL team with a kicker that can't kick it through the end zone. Its not like they played at Soldier Field in some brutally windy conditions. They were indoors and your 4th round kicker is dropping it 0-5 yards into the EZ during warm-ups. WTF!?

Go get a thigh-master mang.

 
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Chip said they had no plans for resting starters in Week 16 even if Dallas loses.
Well if Dallas loses, our game is relevant so of course he won't rest starters then. I think you might have meant if Dallas wins, and yes I did hear that he said that.

As for week 17, that could be a different story if we win and dallas loses this week.

 
Chip said they had no plans for resting starters in Week 16 even if Dallas loses.
Well if Dallas loses, our game is relevant so of course he won't rest starters then. I think you might have meant if Dallas wins, and yes I did hear that he said that.

As for week 17, that could be a different story if we win and dallas loses this week.
No, he said he will not rest starters next week, even if the Cowboys beat the Redskins before the Eagles take the field.

 
I honestly don't understand how we are the only NFL team with a kicker that can't kick it through the end zone. Its not like they played at Soldier Field in some brutally windy conditions. They were indoors and your 4th round kicker is dropping it 0-5 yards into the EZ during warm-ups. WTF!?

Go get a thigh-master mang.
Because he sucks. I've hated the Henery pick since it happened. It still haunts this franchise when you can get a kicker in free agency 90% of the time.

 
Chip said they had no plans for resting starters in Week 16 even if Dallas loses.
Well if Dallas loses, our game is relevant so of course he won't rest starters then. I think you might have meant if Dallas wins, and yes I did hear that he said that.

As for week 17, that could be a different story if we win and dallas loses this week.
No, he said he will not rest starters next week, even if the Cowboys beat the Redskins before the Eagles take the field.
If Dallas loses, that makes our game relevant. If Dallas WINS is the question as to if we rest our starters or not. You said two different things.

 
I honestly don't understand how we are the only NFL team with a kicker that can't kick it through the end zone. Its not like they played at Soldier Field in some brutally windy conditions. They were indoors and your 4th round kicker is dropping it 0-5 yards into the EZ during warm-ups. WTF!?

Go get a thigh-master mang.
Because he sucks. I've hated the Henery pick since it happened. It still haunts this franchise when you can get a kicker in free agency 90% of the time.
Looking back, was it a bad pick in the 4th round? Probably, yes. But you can't say it haunts the franchise. The chances of a 4th rounder 3 years ago still being on our team, and being a significant enough contributor to where this choice is still really hurting us to this day are pretty slim.

I still think Henery is a good kicker.. he's been pretty accurate for us. He's missed 2 FG's in the last 10 games. I don't understand whats wrong with him now though. Maybe I'm wrong, but wasn't he consistently sending kickoffs fairly deep into the endzone his whole first season with us??

 
I honestly don't understand how we are the only NFL team with a kicker that can't kick it through the end zone. Its not like they played at Soldier Field in some brutally windy conditions. They were indoors and your 4th round kicker is dropping it 0-5 yards into the EZ during warm-ups. WTF!?

Go get a thigh-master mang.
Because he sucks. I've hated the Henery pick since it happened. It still haunts this franchise when you can get a kicker in free agency 90% of the time.
Looking back, was it a bad pick in the 4th round? Probably, yes. But you can't say it haunts the franchise. The chances of a 4th rounder 3 years ago still being on our team, and being a significant enough contributor to where this choice is still really hurting us to this day are pretty slim.

I still think Henery is a good kicker.. he's been pretty accurate for us. He's missed 2 FG's in the last 10 games. I don't understand whats wrong with him now though. Maybe I'm wrong, but wasn't he consistently sending kickoffs fairly deep into the endzone his whole first season with us??
That's the thing. He wasn't. His second season he started making it in the end zone but he was never consistently deep. 4th round on a kicker is just a complete waste but when he can't get touchbacks like almost every other kicker in league seems to put them through the endzone, it just makes it that much more glaring.

 
I honestly don't understand how we are the only NFL team with a kicker that can't kick it through the end zone. Its not like they played at Soldier Field in some brutally windy conditions. They were indoors and your 4th round kicker is dropping it 0-5 yards into the EZ during warm-ups. WTF!?

Go get a thigh-master mang.
Because he sucks. I've hated the Henery pick since it happened. It still haunts this franchise when you can get a kicker in free agency 90% of the time.
Looking back, was it a bad pick in the 4th round? Probably, yes. But you can't say it haunts the franchise. The chances of a 4th rounder 3 years ago still being on our team, and being a significant enough contributor to where this choice is still really hurting us to this day are pretty slim.

I still think Henery is a good kicker.. he's been pretty accurate for us. He's missed 2 FG's in the last 10 games. I don't understand whats wrong with him now though. Maybe I'm wrong, but wasn't he consistently sending kickoffs fairly deep into the endzone his whole first season with us??
That's the thing. He wasn't. His second season he started making it in the end zone but he was never consistently deep. 4th round on a kicker is just a complete waste but when he can't get touchbacks like almost every other kicker in league seems to put them through the endzone, it just makes it that much more glaring.
Hmm maybe I was wrong then. I just remembered on most scouting reports, his "big strong leg" was on of his strengths listed over and over... but looking at the touchback percentages, we have been around 23rd in the league for the last 3 seasons so I guess not. He does seem super scrawny, maybe some leg presses would help.

 
Foles put up good numbers but he was pretty streaky today, especially early. Last week I kind of wrote off as the weather, but he's missing high a lot the last two or three weeks, no coincidence that's when the picks have come. He led Cooper OB on what should have been a TD and the pick looked like a terrible decision and/or throw.

Gotta be something crept into his footwork or throwing motion. Last year when he missed it was short or occasionally behind not high.
I havent had a chance to check but while Foles was a bit off early on I though he came through a lot better then expected. It was a 5 point game in the early part of the 4th--what were his #'s after the Ertz TD?

Then that TD was followed by ANOTHER squib and another start at mid-field for them.
He came on really strong in the 3rd and 4th quarters, true. Even the first half numbers weren't terrible, but he (and the whole offense) just didn't look sharp. He was high and inaccurate a few times, there were drops on others. The offense's struggles in the first half put a lot of pressure on the D, and MN found a way to really burn us with their passing game. No player or unit plays at 100% all the time, there will be dips and peaks, but the fact that the defense just couldn't pick it up at any point was what decided this game I think, with an assist from the surrender tactics on kickoffs.

 
I still can't get over the stupid kickoff scheme Chip had for this game.
Had a lot to do with losing the game. A lot. There were plenty of issues today, but that was one pretty terrible idea that I can't believe they kept doing throughout the game.
I don't get the payoff of it. Say Henery does hang one or four short, are they automatic TD's or something?

It's bad enough in this day we don't have a kicker who can boom it out of the endzone whenever he wants but come on make them earn their yards.
To me that's much more an indictment of the defense. Since when are 65 & 70 yard drives a short field? How about they just get a stop.

 
Chip said they had no plans for resting starters in Week 16 even if Dallas loses.
Well if Dallas loses, our game is relevant so of course he won't rest starters then. I think you might have meant if Dallas wins, and yes I did hear that he said that.

As for week 17, that could be a different story if we win and dallas loses this week.
No, he said he will not rest starters next week, even if the Cowboys beat the Redskins before the Eagles take the field.
If Dallas loses, that makes our game relevant. If Dallas WINS is the question as to if we rest our starters or not. You said two different things.
The resting the starters thing is getting too much talk IMO. You want that 3 seed no matter what. You want to get back to winning no matter what.

 
I still can't get over the stupid kickoff scheme Chip had for this game.
Had a lot to do with losing the game. A lot. There were plenty of issues today, but that was one pretty terrible idea that I can't believe they kept doing throughout the game.
I don't get the payoff of it. Say Henery does hang one or four short, are they automatic TD's or something?

It's bad enough in this day we don't have a kicker who can boom it out of the endzone whenever he wants but come on make them earn their yards.
To me that's much more an indictment of the defense. Since when are 65 & 70 yard drives a short field? How about they just get a stop.
I agree to a point. We did need to get a stop but at the same time the Vikings last 3 possesions after kickoffs started at the 34, 46 and 48. Their average start position after a kick-off was their 38 for the game.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
Chip said they had no plans for resting starters in Week 16 even if Dallas loses.
Well if Dallas loses, our game is relevant so of course he won't rest starters then. I think you might have meant if Dallas wins, and yes I did hear that he said that.

As for week 17, that could be a different story if we win and dallas loses this week.
No, he said he will not rest starters next week, even if the Cowboys beat the Redskins before the Eagles take the field.
If Dallas loses, that makes our game relevant. If Dallas WINS is the question as to if we rest our starters or not. You said two different things.
The resting the starters thing is getting too much talk IMO. You want that 3 seed no matter what. You want to get back to winning no matter what.
Here's another interesting possibility regarding resting players.... do you think the Bears might do it??

If Green Bay wins their afternoon game, and Detroit loses theirs, Chicago is in the same situation as us. Their game vs us becomes irrelevant, and it's their week 17 matchup vs GB that is for all the marbles.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
Chip said they had no plans for resting starters in Week 16 even if Dallas loses.
Well if Dallas loses, our game is relevant so of course he won't rest starters then. I think you might have meant if Dallas wins, and yes I did hear that he said that.

As for week 17, that could be a different story if we win and dallas loses this week.
No, he said he will not rest starters next week, even if the Cowboys beat the Redskins before the Eagles take the field.
If Dallas loses, that makes our game relevant. If Dallas WINS is the question as to if we rest our starters or not. You said two different things.
The resting the starters thing is getting too much talk IMO. You want that 3 seed no matter what. You want to get back to winning no matter what.
Here's another interesting possibility regarding resting players.... do you think the Bears might do it??If Green Bay wins their afternoon game, and Detroit loses theirs, Chicago is in the same situation as us. Their game vs us becomes irrelevant, and it's their week 17 matchup vs GB that is for all the marbles.
If a coach wants the quickest way to get fired, give away games when you don't have a playoff spot secured. 3 seed does matter.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
Chip said they had no plans for resting starters in Week 16 even if Dallas loses.
Well if Dallas loses, our game is relevant so of course he won't rest starters then. I think you might have meant if Dallas wins, and yes I did hear that he said that.

As for week 17, that could be a different story if we win and dallas loses this week.
No, he said he will not rest starters next week, even if the Cowboys beat the Redskins before the Eagles take the field.
If Dallas loses, that makes our game relevant. If Dallas WINS is the question as to if we rest our starters or not. You said two different things.
The resting the starters thing is getting too much talk IMO. You want that 3 seed no matter what. You want to get back to winning no matter what.
Here's another interesting possibility regarding resting players.... do you think the Bears might do it??If Green Bay wins their afternoon game, and Detroit loses theirs, Chicago is in the same situation as us. Their game vs us becomes irrelevant, and it's their week 17 matchup vs GB that is for all the marbles.
If a coach wants the quickest way to get fired, give away games when you don't have a playoff spot secured. 3 seed does matter.
Teams don't care about the 3/4 seed historically. Baltimore did it a few years ago, and other teams in the past often rest players week 17 when they've clinched the division. You have a road game regardless in round two, and the chances of seattle and new o both losing, and you hosting the NFC championship game are very slim compared to the advantage of taking a week off.

I know this resting players thing is talked to death, but it is interesting that if GB/Dal win and Det loses in the day, the big highly touted sunday night matchup could have zero playoff implications for either team. I'm sure the NBC announcers will talk up how important that 3 seed is though in order to keep viewers interested.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
Chip said they had no plans for resting starters in Week 16 even if Dallas loses.
Well if Dallas loses, our game is relevant so of course he won't rest starters then. I think you might have meant if Dallas wins, and yes I did hear that he said that.

As for week 17, that could be a different story if we win and dallas loses this week.
No, he said he will not rest starters next week, even if the Cowboys beat the Redskins before the Eagles take the field.
If Dallas loses, that makes our game relevant. If Dallas WINS is the question as to if we rest our starters or not. You said two different things.
The resting the starters thing is getting too much talk IMO. You want that 3 seed no matter what. You want to get back to winning no matter what.
Here's another interesting possibility regarding resting players.... do you think the Bears might do it??If Green Bay wins their afternoon game, and Detroit loses theirs, Chicago is in the same situation as us. Their game vs us becomes irrelevant, and it's their week 17 matchup vs GB that is for all the marbles.
If a coach wants the quickest way to get fired, give away games when you don't have a playoff spot secured. 3 seed does matter.
Teams don't care about the 3/4 seed historically. Baltimore did it a few years ago, and other teams in the past often rest players week 17 when they've clinched the division. You have a road game regardless in round two, and the chances of seattle and new o both losing, and you hosting the NFC championship game are very slim compared to the advantage of taking a week off.

I know this resting players thing is talked to death, but it is interesting that if GB/Dal win and Det loses in the day, the big highly touted sunday night matchup could have zero playoff implications for either team. I'm sure the NBC announcers will talk up how important that 3 seed is though in order to keep viewers interested.
The huge amount of fantasy studs in this game is enough to keep viewers interested.

 
Teams don't care about the 3/4 seed historically. Baltimore did it a few years ago, and other teams in the past often rest players week 17 when they've clinched the division. You have a road game regardless in round two, and the chances of seattle and new o both losing, and you hosting the NFC championship game are very slim compared to the advantage of taking a week off.

I know this resting players thing is talked to death, but it is interesting that if GB/Dal win and Det loses in the day, the big highly touted sunday night matchup could have zero playoff implications for either team. I'm sure the NBC announcers will talk up how important that 3 seed is though in order to keep viewers interested.
As odd as it sounds I believe the resting week 17 makes more sense then resting in week 16. After the lose we took we are in no position to rest anyone. If we're up 3-4 scores late in the 4th it would make sense but not before then IMO. I could see the Bears doing it but not us if that makes sense.

 
Teams don't care about the 3/4 seed historically. Baltimore did it a few years ago, and other teams in the past often rest players week 17 when they've clinched the division. You have a road game regardless in round two, and the chances of seattle and new o both losing, and you hosting the NFC championship game are very slim compared to the advantage of taking a week off.

I know this resting players thing is talked to death, but it is interesting that if GB/Dal win and Det loses in the day, the big highly touted sunday night matchup could have zero playoff implications for either team. I'm sure the NBC announcers will talk up how important that 3 seed is though in order to keep viewers interested.
As odd as it sounds I believe the resting week 17 makes more sense then resting in week 16. After the lose we took we are in no position to rest anyone. If we're up 3-4 scores late in the 4th it would make sense but not before then IMO. I could see the Bears doing it but not us if that makes sense.
That doesn't sound odd at all... ideally we want to make week 17 not relevant so we can give our guys a bye week before the playoffs.

Why can't we just make a secret agreement with the Bears to tie Sunday night, then everybody wins! :lol:

 
If Dallas wins Sunday and the Eagles sat their starters and lost to the Bears, that could haunt the Eagles if Dallas and the Eagles tied. Dallas would win the tiebreaker.

Kelly has said it, he is playing his starters, which he should. If the second half is a blowout either way, I could see starters being pulled early.

 
If Dallas wins Sunday and the Eagles sat their starters and lost to the Bears, that could haunt the Eagles if Dallas and the Eagles tied. Dallas would win the tiebreaker.

Kelly has said it, he is playing his starters, which he should. If the second half is a blowout either way, I could see starters being pulled early.
Exactly. Anyone advocating sitting the whole game is ridiculous.

 
If Dallas wins Sunday and the Eagles sat their starters and lost to the Bears, that could haunt the Eagles if Dallas and the Eagles tied. Dallas would win the tiebreaker.

Kelly has said it, he is playing his starters, which he should. If the second half is a blowout either way, I could see starters being pulled early.
Huh? If Dallas wins and the Eagles lose this Sunday, tiebreakers will be meaningless.

 
If Dallas wins Sunday and the Eagles sat their starters and lost to the Bears, that could haunt the Eagles if Dallas and the Eagles tied. Dallas would win the tiebreaker.

Kelly has said it, he is playing his starters, which he should. If the second half is a blowout either way, I could see starters being pulled early.
Huh? If Dallas wins and the Eagles lose this Sunday, tiebreakers will be meaningless.
If we tie Dallas in the final game and were both 8-7-1, dallas gets the division. If the eagles are 9-6-1, well that's obvious. So yea play to win.

 

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