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2015 New York Giants - WK10 Cruz announces season ending calf surgery (2 Viewers)

[SIZE=9pt]In my opinion the Giants need to address the O-Line with their 1st pick. There seem to be a decent amount of OT’s available in the draft[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9pt]Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9pt]Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn [/SIZE]

[SIZE=9pt]Cedric Ogbuehi, OT Texas A&M[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9pt]Cyrus Kouandjio, OT Alabama[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9pt]I doubt very seriously that Matthews or Robinson will be there at 12 but they should be able to get Ogbuehi or Kouandjio [/SIZE]

[SIZE=9pt]Gilbride says they need to sure up the outside WR position so while I wouldn’t want to see them take a WR in the 1st I wouldn’t be surprised if they took Mike Evans WR Texas A&M[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9pt]If they went WR I know others would prefer Sammy Watkins Clemson but you know what they say about Eli, when he misses he misses high…well Evans is 6’5” while Watkins is 6’1”[/SIZE]

 
Snee is recovering from hip and elbow surgeries; the hip is coming along fine, the elbow is slower to respond:

“I’m recovering well,” said Snee, who has one year left on his contract. “It’s been a long road, two surgeries is not something I want to do,
particularly during the season. It’s been a difficult fall, winter, but the worst is behind me and I feel really good.” #nyg

Paul Schwartz & #8207;@NYPost_Schwartz 46m

Snee says Mike Sullivan as OC would be ideal. “He’s a fun guy to be around ... he’s a well-liked man and well-respected man.” #nyg

 
Full Gilbride and Cruz transcripts form recent interviews. (from BBI)

Kevin Gilbride, the much-criticized offensive coordinator of the New York Giants who retired last Thursday, was interviewed on Tuesday night on SiriusXM NFL Radio. Gilbride made the following comments:

  • On Eli Manning: “(The state of the offensive line) just made it impossible for our quarterback to function. (Manning is) a guy where if you give him enough time, he’s always going to be throwing the ball to the right person. He’s going to know what you’re doing defensively. He’s going to see through your disguises. He’s going to be an accurate passer. But he’s not a scrambler, and you’ve got to give him some help. And if you give him some help he’s proven that he can win a championship for you…I think more than anything, when you’re behind he is not one of those guys that is (concerned about interceptions)… He’s going to try to win the game. If you’re down by two scores at the end of the game, he’s going to throw it up and he’ll force it because he’s going to try to give his team a chance. And if it happens to be picked off and that ends the opportunity and it reflects poorly on him, to be quite candid he could care less. He’s just going to do whatever he thinks he has to do to give his team a chance to win. So because we were behind, we started the season 0-6, there were a number of situations at the end of a game where those scenarios arose and we certainly incurred our fair share of turnovers in that regard. But I think if you do solidify the line, I believe he is an accurate passer, he is going to throw it to the right person. But everybody’s got to do their job and give him an opportunity to do his and he will do it very well.”
  • On how the personnel issues forced the Giants to adapt their offense: “In general, I think philosophically we just modified substantially what we normally do. We’ve been a dynamic, explosive, throw the ball down the field, let your guys go to a lot of vertical read type of stretch principals, and we had to abandon those. Those are the things that we’d done very well and allowed us to be in the top 10 offensively for a long time. You can’t do it because your quarterback would be on his back while you waited for those things to happen. You became much more conservative, much more three-step oriented, which was good for a while, but people, they’re smart on that (defensive) side of the ball and they identify fairly quickly what your weaknesses are and they realize what your adjustments have been, so they take those things away. When we had to expand what we wanted to do, that’s when our shortcomings manifested themselves.”
  • On the wide receivers: “Victor Cruz still played very well on the inside for us, but it became readily apparent to defenses that we weren’t playing as well with the outside receiver position. That became an area that people just, they had no reservation about lining up just bump and run and getting an extra guy into the box, making it more difficult and challenging to run and forcing you to throw the ball vertically a little bit. You try to throw some three-step fades and fade stops, but they’re sitting on those things. I think if the Giants can get the wideout position straightened out – the outside position, not the inside because between Victor Cruz and the emergence of Jerrel Jernigan at the end, that will help.”
  • On the tight ends: ”Well I think there’s no question they’re going to bring in some people. There are some young guys – the Larry Donnells and Adrien Robinsons that have some size and look to be enough physical ability to get open and catch the ball – but they are raw, young players and need a lot of growth and development. So I think it wouldn’t surprise me if they bring in a veteran tight end that can come in and play that position. We didn’t get the production that we’ve had the last few years out of that spot…When they started doubling Victor Cruz, which they did from the second game on every time it was an obvious passing down, you needed somebody else to win. And when you weren’t winning outside you hoped your tight end would do it. Now Brandon Myers did a terrific job for us when they played zone coverages and he’d find the soft spot and make the tough catches, but I think they’re going to look for a bigger, faster guy. You know, he’d be a great No. 2, but I think they’re looking for somebody that can be a solid starter at that position. It remains to be seen if those young guys will mature fast enough to give them the confidence to play with them in a starting role.”
  • On the running backs: “There’s no question they’re gonna have to get a running back that can be the bell cow. I think we had hoped Andre Brown could be that person but he didn’t come back until about the 9th game, 10th game. It looked like he was gonna be that guy the first couple of games and then he was slowed by injury.”
  • On the offensive line: “We had been concerned about depth in the offensive line for a while now. That group has aged…I would say the offensive line first and foremost has to be addressed. I think Justin Pugh advanced and grew outside as a starter at the right tackle position, but they need another significant upgrade in the o-line and certainly some added depth.”
  • On left tackle Will Beatty: “We made the gamble that William Beatty would be the guy and he had played very well last year. And this year he did not have as good a year. He was much more inconsistent than he had been the year before. He was slowed by some problems, and then of course he finished the year with a significant knee injury, so that remains to be seen how he recovers from that. Now I think there’s no question that he has the physical skills to play the left tackle position. He has the skill set to match up speed wise with anybody. I just think he’s got to demonstrate again the commitment and the toughness that you have to have on a play-in and play-out basis. But there’s no question in my mind he has the physical talent. It’s just a matter of making his consistency be at the level that it needs to be, because some games he played well and then some games we certainly had our problems.”
  • On Mike Sullivan possibly replacing him as offensive coordinator: ”He’s a bright individual and he grew very quickly and developed a nice rapport in the quarterback room with the quarterbacks, most notably Eli, of course. Then he had a chance to go down and get his feet wet in Tampa Bay. The first year they did a terrific job. This year they struggled. I’m sure without knowing full well what took place down there I’m sure there were extenuating circumstances which caused the fall-off. But he’s a good coach, a good person, he knows the people here, he knows the system, that’s what he’s grown up in, so I think he would be a natural, seamless transition if they chose to go in that direction. To be totally candid with you I have no idea what their thinking is, but he certainly would be a good choice.”
Victor Cruz Speaks Out: Wide receiver Victor Cruz spoke to the press on Wednesday at a promotion event for XBox. Cruz made the following comments:

  • On Mike Sullivan possibly being the Giants’ next offensive coordinator: ”I’m rooting for him. I could see (some arguging for a new system) but, you know, I think it’s just his familiarity with our personnel, with our offense, the one we had. Obviously, he’s running a similar offense with Tampa Bay but I’m sure he’ll have some tweaks here or there. I just think we need a refresher, I think, more so than people needing a whole big name. A refreshing face that we know, one we’re all comfortable with, and we can go from there.”
  • On Kevin Gilbride’s point that the outside receivers did not perform well: ”You would see it. You would see, whether it was Rueben (Randle), whether it was Hakeem (Nicks), this isn’t pointing the finger at anyone, but the play that we got from the outside wasn’t what we’re accustomed to having. We’re accustomed to having Hakeem be an outside threat with a 1,000-yard season that he’s done in the past and Rueben being himself on the outside although he did have six touchdowns this year which is very much improved from the year before. But that consistency wasn’t there from the outside position. You could definitely feel it throughout the season, you could see it from game to game that our productivity wasn’t there from the outside position.”
  • On the on-field relationship between Eli Manning and his receivers: ”You never know with Eli, he just keeps an even keel the whole way. But sometimes when you have those passes that you throw up and typically they’re caught for big plays and when that doesn’t happen naturally you tend to throw it differently or go to a different read or go somewhere else with the ball. That would happen naturally. I mean, if I was quarterback that would happen to me, so I’d imagine it would happen to Eli as well. That’s definitely natural.”
  • On Cruz and Nicks missing so much offseason work last year: ”Honestly, I thought we’d go in and we’d pick it up right where we left off, especially with guys who have been around and done it before like myself and Hakeem and Rueben. I thought we would come in and pick it right up. It goes to show you that it takes a lot more than just that. You have to build a lot more continuity, you have to build a lot more trust mentally with your quarterback. I think it’s important. For a quarterback like Eli, for receivers like myself and guys like Hakeem and Rueben and Jerrel, you have to have that continuity, that consistency together over a period of time that’s going to continue to instill trust in Eli and us. The more comfortable Eli is with his receivers, where they’re going to be, their knowledge of the offense, their route running, how he sees how you run specific routes so he knows how to get you the ball, I think that’s huge in our minds to remain comfortable and for Eli to continue to trust us. It played a little bit of a part. In this league when you’re a veteran and you’ve been in the league that long, it shouldn’t take long for you to catch up, it shouldn’t take long for you to adjust. We’re not first-year, second-year players. Me and Hakeem are four-year, five-year guys, so we understood exactly how to come in and pick it up and be on the same page rather quickly. But I think it did play a little bit of a part in our continuity early on and throughout the length of the season.”
  • On if Nicks leaves the Giants: “He’s obviously been a big piece for us in the last years that he’s been with us. But I think we definitely always have the talent in our receiving room to be successful. I think that’s just a testament to how we drafted and how we got players to fit the mold to our offense. I think we can definitely be able to be successful if Hakeem has to move on. It’s something that we’re going to have to look at. And we hope not, but we’ll see how it goes.”
 
@JordanRaanan Add Packers QB coach Ben McAdoo to #giants OC mix. He will interview this weekend

@MikeGarafolo Buccaneers have requested permission to speak to Giants director of college scouting Marc Ross for vacant GM spot.

@NYPost_Schwartz Giants have given permission to Buccaneers to interview Dir. of College Scouting Marc Ross for GM job in Tampa. Very solid candidate. #nyg

 
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David Wilson is scheduled for neck surgery the middle of this month, according to league source.

@JosinaAnderson: Source: #Giants will interview former Texans QB coach Karl Dorrell for offensive coordinator position.

 
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Rotoworld:

Speaking Thursday, Giants GM Jerry Reese said the team has yet to consider a contract extension for Eli Manning, who's signed through 2015.

"That's yet to be said," Reese said. "We don't know what we'll do with respect to that." Manning has been at the controls for two Giants Super Bowl victories, but has tossed an ugly 42 picks over his past 32 games. He turned 33 last week. Manning's New York run has been extremely successful, but the team has little reason to extend him at this point in time.


Source: Ralph Vacchiano on Twitter
 
losing David Wilson would be devastating. Losing someone of that caliber could set a franchise back decades

 
Eli has said he'll restructure.

Three letters.....MJD
I don't think they need washed up RB @ a free agent price.

I'd much rather try to trade for Ingram if they could get him for a reasonable pick (4th rd) ... Think he'd be a perfect fit especially if Wilson comes back.
I don't think MJD is "washed up". He played this year off of an injury,on a lousy offensive team that had lousy QB's.he faced numbers in the box all season and still put up rushing numbers better that the G-man had.
I think the Giants have so many holes that they can't afford to pay MJD what he'll want.

Giants need starters at both Guards, Center, possibly a OT, a LB, CB, TE and possibly Safety and DT if they lose starters there. Then they need WR, RB, and DE depth.
Giants have four centers, they do not need a center. They need to trade and/or convert to Guard and/or seek cap savings by cutting some.
Baas sucks and is always hurt. Cordle is terrible. Boothe isn't starter quality, just a good backup. Dallas Reynolds is on the roster due to all the injuries. He was released once and brought back. I doubt they want him starting next year.
Yep ... The Giants have 0 Centers as far as i'm concerned

 
[SIZE=9pt]In my opinion the Giants need to address the O-Line with their 1st pick. There seem to be a decent amount of OT’s available in the draft[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9pt]Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M[/SIZE]
Everything about him feels like a lock that he will be a solid pro. Whether he'll be great or not, idk, but there's some assurance with his family and upbringing and prior results/performances....this feels very safe very nice type pick.

 
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

Speaking Thursday, Giants GM Jerry Reese said the team has yet to consider a contract extension for Eli Manning, who's signed through 2015.

"That's yet to be said," Reese said. "We don't know what we'll do with respect to that." Manning has been at the controls for two Giants Super Bowl victories, but has tossed an ugly 42 picks over his past 32 games. He turned 33 last week. Manning's New York run has been extremely successful, but the team has little reason to extend him at this point in time.


Source: Ralph Vacchiano on Twitter
Rotoworld's take might be wrong. Eli will probably get extended to free up cap money. And why wouldn't they? The Giants aren't planning to move on from Eli in two years. Why not extend him now where you can save a little based on his performance, even though most of the blame falls on the oline and WRs.

 
monk said:
Eli has said he'll restructure.

Three letters.....MJD
I don't think they need washed up RB @ a free agent price.

I'd much rather try to trade for Ingram if they could get him for a reasonable pick (4th rd) ... Think he'd be a perfect fit especially if Wilson comes back.
I don't think MJD is "washed up". He played this year off of an injury,on a lousy offensive team that had lousy QB's.he faced numbers in the box all season and still put up rushing numbers better that the G-man had.
I think the Giants have so many holes that they can't afford to pay MJD what he'll want.

Giants need starters at both Guards, Center, possibly a OT, a LB, CB, TE and possibly Safety and DT if they lose starters there. Then they need WR, RB, and DE depth.
Giants have four centers, they do not need a center. They need to trade and/or convert to Guard and/or seek cap savings by cutting some.
Baas sucks and is always hurt. Cordle is terrible. Boothe isn't starter quality, just a good backup. Dallas Reynolds is on the roster due to all the injuries. He was released once and brought back. I doubt they want him starting next year.
Yep ... The Giants have 0 Centers as far as i'm concerned
The Gmen need to fire some personnel people because (correct me if I'm wrong) it's been 10 years since they drafted a very good lineman.

 
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

Speaking Thursday, Giants GM Jerry Reese said the team has yet to consider a contract extension for Eli Manning, who's signed through 2015.

"That's yet to be said," Reese said. "We don't know what we'll do with respect to that." Manning has been at the controls for two Giants Super Bowl victories, but has tossed an ugly 42 picks over his past 32 games. He turned 33 last week. Manning's New York run has been extremely successful, but the team has little reason to extend him at this point in time.


Source: Ralph Vacchiano on Twitter
Rotoworld's take might be wrong. Eli will probably get extended to free up cap money. And why wouldn't they? The Giants aren't planning to move on from Eli in two years. Why not extend him now where you can save a little based on his performance, even though most of the blame falls on the oline and WRs.
I expect they draft a QB and how that QB does in camp will impact this. When they get tot he point where they are nickel N diming to get under the cap, they'll have a better understanding.

Eli has not given them confidence to think that a third Super bowl is likely and I think he needs to to get a good deal.

 
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

Speaking Thursday, Giants GM Jerry Reese said the team has yet to consider a contract extension for Eli Manning, who's signed through 2015.

"That's yet to be said," Reese said. "We don't know what we'll do with respect to that." Manning has been at the controls for two Giants Super Bowl victories, but has tossed an ugly 42 picks over his past 32 games. He turned 33 last week. Manning's New York run has been extremely successful, but the team has little reason to extend him at this point in time.


Source: Ralph Vacchiano on Twitter
Rotoworld's take might be wrong. Eli will probably get extended to free up cap money. And why wouldn't they? The Giants aren't planning to move on from Eli in two years. Why not extend him now where you can save a little based on his performance, even though most of the blame falls on the oline and WRs.
I expect they draft a QB and how that QB does in camp will impact this. When they get tot he point where they are nickel N diming to get under the cap, they'll have a better understanding.

Eli has not given them confidence to think that a third Super bowl is likely and I think he needs to to get a good deal.
I think they have full confidence in Eli and that he'll be the QB for the Giants for another 5 years if he stays healthy.

Reese said today that they expect Nassib to compete for the #2 spot. I doubt they draft a QB unless they lose confidence in Nassib for some reason or there's value there that they can't pass up. Most likely they won't draft a QB because they have need elsewhere and they don't normally carry 3 QB on the roster. Last year they carried 3 for the first time in many years.

 
Reese likes to go BPA early if possible, right. I think they would love a shot at Greg Robinson but I think he climbs into the top 10.

Next most likely would be Dennard. Ealy, Lewan possible as well.

There should be plenty of good WR available in the 2nd if they want to go that route. Deepest WR class in memory.

They could potentially trade down and pick Richardson the Guard from Baylor(or Yankey or Swanson) and get an extra 2nd. Or trade down and pick Allen Robinson. He seems like he'd be a good fit. Tall with good hands.

Definitely need to address the interior line, WR and maybe find another pass rusher and CB

 
http://www.nygcapcentral.com/2014/01/here-are-cap-numbers-for-53-players-who.html

From
New York Giants Salary Cap Central

I can roughly say at this point that taking these factors into account, along with the expected $126.3 million dollar unadjusted cap for each club, that the Giants' adjusted cap in 2014 will be just about $126,317,447 for the purpose of this post based on these figures. NLTBE and LTBE bonus figures have yet to be factored into the equation, but for now, I'll keep this simple. Subtract the total of $115,763,974 from $126,317,447 & you get $10,553,473 in free cap space.

Other variables will factor into this total of course. This includes the unadjusted cap possibly going up another $1.7 million from $126.3 million to $128 million. that would bring up the Giants' estimated total of available cap space to $12,253,473. The voiding of the contracts of Brandon Myers (cap savings of $3.25 M), and Corey Webster (cap savings of $1 M) will ad another $4,250,000 in cap savings to the total mentioned above, making it $16,503,473. Add in the $7.25 M in cap savings for cutting Snee---it would be the same if he retired---to this, and the total goes up again to $23,753,473.

After that you factor in the likely extensions for Eli and Rolle, and you get roughly another $10 million in cap space to work with, and add on to the estimated total above, raising it to roughly $33,753,473. Subtract from this the tender amounts for Restricted Free Agents (say about $5 M), and this total goes down to about $28,753,473. There will be other factors as well, such as the possible post-June 1st cut (likely in my estimation) for David Baas. That would net the Giants another $5 M in cap room off of their books in June 2nd. This freed up cap space would help the giants to sign their 2014 draft class, and have money saved up for regular season cap expenditures for 2014. I'll outline this in further detail in an upcoming post, but roughly put, the Giants will have about $25 million in available space to spend in Free Agency in 2 months.
 
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2014 Opponents

Home: Dallas, Philadelphia, Washington, Arizona, San Francisco, Houston, Indianapolis, Atlanta

Away: Dallas, Philadelphia, Washington, St. Louis, Seattle, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Detroit
I know the teams are set, but curious as to how you already know which games are at home and which are away?

 
2014 Opponents

Home: Dallas, Philadelphia, Washington, Arizona, San Francisco, Houston, Indianapolis, Atlanta

Away: Dallas, Philadelphia, Washington, St. Louis, Seattle, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Detroit
I know the teams are set, but curious as to how you already know which games are at home and which are away?
I think I got the info from BBI posted by Eric who hosts the site. I think the home and away are based on finish in the division or conference. Also the Jets schedule probably has some impact as well.

 
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Ralph Vacchianoþ@RVacchianoNYDN10m
Giants RT @JustinPugh has been named to the @PFWAwriters all-NFL Rookie team. #NYG


The @PFWAwriters All-Rookie team has representation from 21 clubs among 27 players honored. Along with DET's 3, CAR, STL, MIA & SD had 2.

Thus far looks like Pugh was a good pick.

 
[SIZE=medium]From Rotoworld today:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Ben McAdoo - C - Giants [/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Giants hired Packers QBs coach Ben McAdoo as offensive coordinator.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]The news comes out of left field, as McAdoo had just interviewed with the Dolphins on Tuesday, and was reportedly a candidate to replace Jim Caldwell in Baltimore. McAdoo interviewed with the G-Men last week. McAdoo was considered the favorite to replace Mike Sherman in Miami, partly because of his experience working alongside Joe Philbin in Green Bay. For New York, McAdoo is a departure from Tom Coughlin's coaching tree. Former Bucs OC Mike Sullivan, who served as a Giants assistant from 2004-11, was considered the most likely candidate to replace Kevin Gilbride. McAdoo has zero NFL play-calling experience, but a new voice is needed for a broken offense. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Source: Alex Marvez on Twitter [/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Jan 14 - 6:25 PM[/SIZE]

 
The NYG may be looking to the long term with this hire. If he has good success at OC, he could be the heir to Coughlin.

 
The NYG may be looking to the long term with this hire. If he has good success at OC, he could be the heir to Coughlin.
Yes key hire and a bold one. Not the safe choice. Let's see if it's the right oneI was In favor of Sullivan to keep some semblance of Eli's offense intact but I guess he must've interviewed very strongly and for that reason I'm pumped

 
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The cap situation looks great

Hope we re-sign Linvall Joseph and pick up some decent linemen
What were rookies avg cost last year? I'd guess 10 of that 25 is for those them.

Assuming the OP is accurate with 30 free agents, that's not a very good cap situation

 
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Any thoughts on what the hire of McAdoo does to the Giants' offense?
It will be interesting...what does GB run? A modified (I guess they all are now) version of the WestCoast? What was Gilbride running? More pro-style? I think a West Coast would suit Eli well, as he has the smarts/study/work habits to get the needed timing down for a West Coast, and that would like eliminate some of the INTs.

 
@RVacchianoNYDN
A source confirms the very surprising news about TE coach Mike Pope. He's been a staple of two Giants championship Eras (83-91, 2000-13).

@Patricia_Traina
RB coach Jerald Ingram has also been let go per a source.

 
Never the pretty girl in the room’By JASON WILDE
jwilde@espnwisconsin.com
GREEN BAY – Aaron Rodgers was pissed. There’s really no other way to put it. Annoyed doesn’t quite capture it. Perturbed doesn’t, either.

The Green Bay Packers quarterback was the reigning NFL MVP, coming off a season in which he’d thrown 45 touchdowns against only six interceptions. The year before, he’d led the Packers to the Super Bowl XLV title and been the MVP of that game, too. He was, by all accounts, on top of his game.

And now, arguably the best quarterback in the league was going to have to listen to … the tight ends coach?

Yes, that was how the dominoes fell in February 2012, when offensive coordinator Joe Philbin left to become the head coach of the Miami Dolphins, longtime quarterbacks coach Tom Clements was promoted to offensive coordinator and head coach Mike McCarthy saw fit to put Ben McAdoo in charge of the quarterbacks.

Then McCarthy went out and hired Alex Van Pelt – a former NFL quarterback, who had coached quarterbacks in Buffalo and Tampa Bay, who fit the exact profile of the position coach Rodgers felt he needed – to be the team’s running backs coach.

So you can see why the quarterback was, well, less than thrilled.

And yet, McAdoo didn’t blink. He didn’t kowtow to the MVP, didn’t worry about whether the most popular kid in school was going to like him or be his BFF.

“I’m going to go about it the way I go about everything else – I’m going to show up, put in an honest, hard day’s work, give him the information he needs and count on him to give me back some information [and] communicate with me. And that’s how we’re going to do it. It’s going to be simple,” McAdoo explained in an interview later that offseason. “Like you learn from Day 1 in any business, you have to communicate. And if there’s not communication, there’s no chance to be successful and build a successful relationship.

“I understood where he was coming from. I’m not defensive about that. I didn’t play the position, I’ve never coached the position. I have something to prove. I’m very capable. I’ve never been the pretty girl in the room. I’ve always had to work for what I have. And I like that.”

On Tuesday night, all that work led the 36-year-old McAdoo to the New York Giants, who hired him as their new offensive coordinator. He replaces Kevin Gilbride, who retired after seven years in that role, and he will now take over an offense that finished the 2013 season ranked 28th in the 32-team NFL yards, 28th in scoring, 29th in rushing and 19th in passing. Quarterback Eli Manning threw an NFL-high and franchise-record 27 interceptions.

Giants coach Tom Coughlin, who interviewed McAdoo on Monday, called him “the best coach for the job” and described McAdoo as a “very, very meticulous coach” who was greatly influenced by McCarthy, with whom he worked in New Orleans (2004) and San Francisco (2005) before serving as the Packers’ tight ends coach for six years.

“Think about what they overcame this year in Green Bay,” Coughlin told Giants.com, referring to Rodgers’ Nov. 4 broken collarbone and the three other quarterbacks – Seneca Wallace, Scott Tolzien and Matt Flynn – who played during the eight games Rodgers spent on the sideline.

“He’s a western Pennsylvania guy who has earned everything and he’s earned it the hard way. He’s a smart guy. He’s done it the right way. He’s not a flashy guy. He’s a smart, intelligent guy to work with. He works very, very hard. He’s got the dirt under his fingernails. He’s my kind of guy. He’s got the blue-collar work ethic.

“Here’s what I expect: I think the players will respond to this. We’re going to try to compromise the system with what we have here. However, there will be change. And that change will be very positive and very well-received by our team and our players. And if our players are scrambling around to learn a new system – good. That’s another fire in their rear end.”

In his interview with McAdoo, who also interviewed for the Cleveland Browns’ head-coaching position and the Miami Dolphins’ offensive coordinator job, Coughlin said he came away “very, very impressed by the presentation that he made, in terms of the fundamental details. Whether it is quarterback fundamentals [or] offensive philosophy, I was just very, very impressed with that.

“Whether he was the tight ends or the quarterbacks coach, he has prepared for this type of an interview for a long time. He comes with two notebooks, all the things he’s put together and thought about and when given the opportunity, wanted to present.”

And that brings us back to those first few weeks and months as Rodgers’ position coach, when the quarterback was sure that McCarthy had made a mistake.

Two years later, as it became clear to Rodgers that McAdoo would be moving on to bigger and better things in the days after the Packers’ season-ending playoff loss to San Francisco, the quarterback sought out McAdoo. He had something to say.

He was wrong.

“I told him this actually. I said, ‘When there was an opening as Joe left and Tom (Clements) moved up, I said I thought having a guy who played the position was right for me at that point,’” Rodgers recounted on his weekly radio show on 540 ESPN, 100.5 FM ESPN and ESPNWisconsin.com last week. “But I told Ben this: ‘Ultimately, I need and have always needed a guy who gets me prepared every week, that can give me the opportunities to reach my potential.’

“Ben did that every day the last two seasons for me and the other quarterbacks in the room. It was fun to see his personality continue to come out this year as we became closer and he just allowed himself to relax and be comfortable in those rooms. It helped having a great quarterback room with Seneca and Scott and Matt. It was a lot of fun for me and a lot of fun for us, as well.”

Asked what changed about their relationship, Rodgers replied: “Just spending time together. You can’t help but respect Ben the more time you spend with him because he really cares about his job. He spends a lot of time there. He puts a lot of effort into our reminder stuff. He listens when you talk. He asks good questions. He understands the nature of certain conversations that need to stay in the room [and] which need to be filtered up the chain of command. He’s a guy who wants to learn and takes to heart the things I say or the things he hears from Tom [Clements] and tried to become a better quarterbacks coach every day. And he did.

“I think he’s beginning to really understand scheme and preparation and how to install plays. I think he did a great job the last couple years installing the red zone [plays]. You saw him in front of the room every week and every week he got more comfortable and put more into his presentation, and more of his personality came out. There were jokes and an ability to control the room. Obviously, the people who are interested in him for a head-coaching job haven’t seen that, but to me that’s an important quality of a head coach. The ability to control a room with your speech, (or) with humor when necessary. He proved it every day that he was a very prepared coach. And I’m happy for him getting opportunities.”

Listen to Jason Wilde every weekday from 9 a.m. to 10 a.m. on “Green & Gold Today” on 540 ESPN, and follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/jasonjwilde.

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@RVacchianoNYDN

A source confirms the very surprising news about TE coach Mike Pope. He's been a staple of two Giants championship Eras (83-91, 2000-13).

@Patricia_Traina

RB coach Jerald Ingram has also been let go per a source.
I am not a fan of the Mike Pope release

 
@RVacchianoNYDN

A source confirms the very surprising news about TE coach Mike Pope. He's been a staple of two Giants championship Eras (83-91, 2000-13).

@Patricia_Traina

RB coach Jerald Ingram has also been let go per a source.
I'm shocked to hear Pope is out.

 
Four supes and some real good TEs for Pope and he's gone.

I wonder what team will be intrigued by this and sign Pope now.

 
Rotoworld:

The Newark Star-Ledger wonders if impending free agent James Starks could be a "contingency plan" for the Giants.
Giants GM Jerry Reese recently said he'll put together a "contingency plan" should David Wilson (neck surgery) not be ready for the start of the 2014 season. Starks isn't likely to return to Green Bay. He also has a history with new Giants OC Ben McAdoo, is from New York, and went to college at Buffalo. Starks isn't going to break the bank and would be an upgrade on Andre Brown.

Related: Giants

Source: Newark Star-Ledger
 
Rotoworld:

The Newark Star-Ledger expects the Giants to show interest in free agent TE Andrew Quarless this offseason.
Quarless made 10 starts filling in for Jermichael Finley this season, finishing with a career-high 32 catches, 312 yards, and two touchdowns. He has a history with new Giants coordinator Ben McAdoo, who served as the Packers TE coach from 2006-2011, and could be a low-cost option to replace impending free agent Brandon Myers. Second-year TE Adrian Robinson is also expected to be given an opportunity to earn a bigger offensive role in 2014.

Related: Giants

Source: Newark Star-Ledger
The Newark Star-Ledger names Adrien Robinson one of the main beneficiaries of Ben McAdoo's hiring as offensive coordinator of the Giants.

McAdoo coached the Packers tight ends from 2006-2011 and prefers big, athletic players at the position. Robinson fits that mold. He's 6-foot-5, 269 and ran a 4.56 forty at his Pro Day before the 2012 draft. Robinson battled foot and knee injuries this past season. Brandon Myers is an impending free agent. Robinson should be given an opportunity to earn a prominent offensive role.

Jan 16 - 11:51 AM
Source: Newark Star-Ledger
 
@DanGrazianoESPN: Andre Brown is an unrestricted free agent, and while the Giants know him well and like him, the chances are good that he'll be out for a payday this time around. He showed enough this season that he feels confident taking himself out on the open market. Personally, I feel his injury history will hold him back on a market that hasn't been friendly to running backs in recent years, and he might be there a few weeks after free agency starts if the Giants still want him and his price has dropped. But if his agent talks some team into signing him early in free agency, it's hard to imagine the Giants being that team. At this point, I think you need to look at Brown as part of the pool of free-agent running backs in which the Giants could be interested depending on cost.

@DanGrazianoESPN: I think they need to look hard at offensive line early in free agency. Everybody keeps asking about free-agent center Alex Mack from Cleveland. The kind of guy it would be surprising to see actually hit the market, but if someone like that does come available, I think it would be worth the Giants' money to spend big at center or guard. Tough to forecast wide receiver, since the market is flooded with that and so is the draft. And you know they don't care about linebacker. But if you want a specific name at a position you didn't mention, I'll tell you the Giants were very impressed with the way the Raiders' Rashad Jennings ran against them in Week 10, and he's a free agent.

@DanGrazianoESPN: Tight end Brandon Myers won't be back with the Giants on his voidable current contract. It's possible they could bring him back at a very low salary and as a second tight end, but I definitely believe they will look to upgrade the position this year via free agency and/or the draft. North Carolina's Eric Ebron has been mentioned as a possibility for them in the first round, and if they have already addressed the offensive line issues in free agency, that might not be an insane way for them to go. A lot depends on what new offensive coordinator Ben McAdoo wants to do, but if he's bringing the West Coast style of offense they ran in Green Bay, then yes, he'll be looking for an athletic, receiving tight end. Myers was that in Oakland, but didn't show it during his one year in New York. I imagine they look elsewhere.

@DanGrazianoESPN: I think the main reason for Eli Manning's down year was the poor play of the offensive line and the offense as a whole around him. Remember, the linemen aren't the only ones with pass-protection responsibilities. Deficient blocking by the running backs and tight ends contributed as well. Manning contributed as well -- there's no doubt he could have played better, and that part of his job is to elevate those around him. But I think it's fair to say his issues this season were a product of his inability to get comfortable with anything he had around him on offense. I do not think he is a declining player.

 
Any thoughts on what the hire of McAdoo does to the Giants' offense?
Coughlin has said a few times now that it will be a combination of current system and GB offense-not that it's McAdoo bringing the GB system over 100%.

The disconnect for me is the running game that the Packers didn't usually have the last so many years while Coughlin's entire coaching career(even as an assistant) he's emphasized the run.

I'd like to know how that will wash out

 
Rotoworld:

The Newark Star-Ledger wonders if impending free agent James Starks could be a "contingency plan" for the Giants.
Giants GM Jerry Reese recently said he'll put together a "contingency plan" should David Wilson (neck surgery) not be ready for the start of the 2014 season. Starks isn't likely to return to Green Bay. He also has a history with new Giants OC Ben McAdoo, is from New York, and went to college at Buffalo. Starks isn't going to break the bank and would be an upgrade on Andre Brown.

Related: Giants

Source: Newark Star-Ledger
Starks doesn't fit for me...idk.

Since Franklin was in the doghouse, yet looked real good that one game and some liked him predraft and preseason....it'd be worth a call to see if he's still in the doghouse.

I strongly disagree with the roto comment that Starks is better than Andre Brown.

 
Any thoughts on what the hire of McAdoo does to the Giants' offense?
Coughlin has said a few times now that it will be a combination of current system and GB offense-not that it's McAdoo bringing the GB system over 100%.

The disconnect for me is the running game that the Packers didn't usually have the last so many years while Coughlin's entire coaching career(even as an assistant) he's emphasized the run.

I'd like to know how that will wash out
That's what I'm wondering. An article on Bleacher Report, that uses PFF stats, suggests the team might use more hurry-up or operate at a faster tempo. That'd be good as fans have been complaining that defenses have had a good idea when that ball was going to be snapped because Gilbride's calls usually took them down to the last second or two.

More short routes and screens, more runs on first down if the offense takes after the Packers. Also more plays out of shotgun. Hopefully that doesn't mean even more shotgun draws in short yardage. As that has been another complaint most fans have had with Gilbride's system.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1924912-what-the-giants-offense-might-look-like-under-ben-mcadoo

I wonder if an additional reason they chose to go with McAdoo is that the players were getting complacent with the old system. That Sullivan would have kept too much the same. Like last off season Cruz and Nicks made comments that they know the system so well that missing OTAs and minicamps wouldn't matter. Once their season was ending, the missed time was one of the factors listed as to why the offense was so bad.

Having to learn a new system hopefully will get guys into camp. Along with all the new faces there should be and having to win their spots in the eyes of the new OC.

 
Any thoughts on what the hire of McAdoo does to the Giants' offense?
Coughlin has said a few times now that it will be a combination of current system and GB offense-not that it's McAdoo bringing the GB system over 100%.

The disconnect for me is the running game that the Packers didn't usually have the last so many years while Coughlin's entire coaching career(even as an assistant) he's emphasized the run.

I'd like to know how that will wash out
That's what I'm wondering. An article on Bleacher Report, that uses PFF stats, suggests the team might use more hurry-up or operate at a faster tempo. That'd be good as fans have been complaining that defenses have had a good idea when that ball was going to be snapped because Gilbride's calls usually took them down to the last second or two.

More short routes and screens, more runs on first down if the offense takes after the Packers. Also more plays out of shotgun. Hopefully that doesn't mean even more shotgun draws in short yardage. As that has been another complaint most fans have had with Gilbride's system.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1924912-what-the-giants-offense-might-look-like-under-ben-mcadoo

I wonder if an additional reason they chose to go with McAdoo is that the players were getting complacent with the old system. That Sullivan would have kept too much the same. Like last off season Cruz and Nicks made comments that they know the system so well that missing OTAs and minicamps wouldn't matter. Once their season was ending, the missed time was one of the factors listed as to why the offense was so bad.

Having to learn a new system hopefully will get guys into camp. Along with all the new faces there should be and having to win their spots in the eyes of the new OC.
Most of that, especially the shotgun talk, is probably a reaction to the poor OL play and (as of now) not much hope for it til they sign and draft some players. Gilbride's exit interview was excellent. It was candid and honest and not mean but this is "what's what." He spoke of Eli and how he needs time. On the radio, he said Eli was one of the best when he has time.

I think every Giant fans saw- Eli (and 10k QBs before him) is not very good when under pressure constantly. It obviously wears him down and he makes poor reads and poor throws.

Throwing on first and all that....McAdoo will not be cute and replace an OL. They have to get one.

There isn't a lot that's surprising in the NFL, it's more about execution. That Gibbs supe winning while running the same play with Timmy Smith is a great example. BPs teams were often predictable no matter where he went. These teams study tapes all the time. There's some surprises, sure, but generally it's about execution.

 
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Rotoworld:

The Newark Star-Ledger wonders if impending free agent James Starks could be a "contingency plan" for the Giants.
Giants GM Jerry Reese recently said he'll put together a "contingency plan" should David Wilson (neck surgery) not be ready for the start of the 2014 season. Starks isn't likely to return to Green Bay. He also has a history with new Giants OC Ben McAdoo, is from New York, and went to college at Buffalo. Starks isn't going to break the bank and would be an upgrade on Andre Brown.

Related: Giants

Source: Newark Star-Ledger
Starks doesn't fit for me...idk.

Since Franklin was in the doghouse, yet looked real good that one game and some liked him predraft and preseason....it'd be worth a call to see if he's still in the doghouse.

I strongly disagree with the roto comment that Starks is better than Andre Brown.
I don't understand the infatuation with Andre Brown ... He has done nothing for almost his entire career including this season.

He averaged 3.5 yds per carry and seemed to get worse and worse as the season went on , fumbling 3 times in the final 4 games and avg 1.7 yds per in the final 3 games and he can't catch. They desperately need rbs and and Andre Brown should not be one of them.

 
"MOBILE, Ala.-- The Dallas Cowboys have to find a new tight end coach with Wes Phillips leaving to take the same position with the Washington Redskins.

The Cowboys are looking at Mike Pope as a replacement. Pope spent 23 seasons with the New York Giants as an assistant coach, most recently as a tight ends coach.

There is a connection: Coach Jason Garrett was a backup quarterback with the Giants from 2000 to 2003."

 
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monk said:
Rotoworld:

The Newark Star-Ledger wonders if impending free agent James Starks could be a "contingency plan" for the Giants.
Giants GM Jerry Reese recently said he'll put together a "contingency plan" should David Wilson (neck surgery) not be ready for the start of the 2014 season. Starks isn't likely to return to Green Bay. He also has a history with new Giants OC Ben McAdoo, is from New York, and went to college at Buffalo. Starks isn't going to break the bank and would be an upgrade on Andre Brown.

Related: Giants

Source: Newark Star-Ledger
Starks doesn't fit for me...idk.

Since Franklin was in the doghouse, yet looked real good that one game and some liked him predraft and preseason....it'd be worth a call to see if he's still in the doghouse.

I strongly disagree with the roto comment that Starks is better than Andre Brown.
I don't understand the infatuation with Andre Brown ... He has done nothing for almost his entire career including this season.

He averaged 3.5 yds per carry and seemed to get worse and worse as the season went on , fumbling 3 times in the final 4 games and avg 1.7 yds per in the final 3 games and he can't catch. They desperately need rbs and and Andre Brown should not be one of them.
When healthy Brown is a decent RB that does everything well but nothing great. He has a nice combination of size and speed, he catches the ball well and is decent with pass protection. Because of his injury history he can’t be counted on as a lead back but he does have talent.

 
monk said:
Rotoworld:

The Newark Star-Ledger wonders if impending free agent James Starks could be a "contingency plan" for the Giants.
Giants GM Jerry Reese recently said he'll put together a "contingency plan" should David Wilson (neck surgery) not be ready for the start of the 2014 season. Starks isn't likely to return to Green Bay. He also has a history with new Giants OC Ben McAdoo, is from New York, and went to college at Buffalo. Starks isn't going to break the bank and would be an upgrade on Andre Brown.

Related: Giants

Source: Newark Star-Ledger
Starks doesn't fit for me...idk.

Since Franklin was in the doghouse, yet looked real good that one game and some liked him predraft and preseason....it'd be worth a call to see if he's still in the doghouse.

I strongly disagree with the roto comment that Starks is better than Andre Brown.
I don't understand the infatuation with Andre Brown ... He has done nothing for almost his entire career including this season.

He averaged 3.5 yds per carry and seemed to get worse and worse as the season went on , fumbling 3 times in the final 4 games and avg 1.7 yds per in the final 3 games and he can't catch. They desperately need rbs and and Andre Brown should not be one of them.
That was a bad OL he ran behind, plenty of posts illustrating that.

He's been good (not great) every chance he got, til he eventually got hurt.

I'm totally not infatuated with him. Starks is nothing special. I would prefer the Giants do exactly what the Packers seemed to do and draft two RBs rather than start Starks.

I don't see any value in switching. Brown can put a team on his back and very few "good" backs can-they make the best backups IMO. The Giants have had incredible depth for 10-20 years now and this past year were stuck. I have no confidence in Starks as a lead back in a Coughlin type offense(see merge of two styles above) but I do have confidence in Brown.

I think their plan should be to add a thoroughbred and have Brown back him up.

 
Rotoworld:

New OC Ben McAdoo said he wants the Giants to be "an up-tempo, attacking-style offense."

McAdoo was an assistant on the Packers staff for the past two seasons, gaining first-hand experience with a team that ranked 11th in plays per game in 2013 even though Aaron Rodgers missed seven games. The Giants ranked 27th in that category. A quicker pace and more creativity in 2014 will give Eli Manning and Victor Cruz an excellent chance at bounce-back seasons. The Kevin Gilbride scheme was broken.

Related: Jerrel Jernigan, Victor Cruz

Source: New York Post
 
monk said:
Rotoworld:

The Newark Star-Ledger wonders if impending free agent James Starks could be a "contingency plan" for the Giants.
Giants GM Jerry Reese recently said he'll put together a "contingency plan" should David Wilson (neck surgery) not be ready for the start of the 2014 season. Starks isn't likely to return to Green Bay. He also has a history with new Giants OC Ben McAdoo, is from New York, and went to college at Buffalo. Starks isn't going to break the bank and would be an upgrade on Andre Brown.

Related: Giants

Source: Newark Star-Ledger
Starks doesn't fit for me...idk.

Since Franklin was in the doghouse, yet looked real good that one game and some liked him predraft and preseason....it'd be worth a call to see if he's still in the doghouse.

I strongly disagree with the roto comment that Starks is better than Andre Brown.
I don't understand the infatuation with Andre Brown ... He has done nothing for almost his entire career including this season.

He averaged 3.5 yds per carry and seemed to get worse and worse as the season went on , fumbling 3 times in the final 4 games and avg 1.7 yds per in the final 3 games and he can't catch. They desperately need rbs and and Andre Brown should not be one of them.
When healthy Brown is a decent RB that does everything well but nothing great. He has a nice combination of size and speed, he catches the ball well and is decent with pass protection. Because of his injury history he can’t be counted on as a lead back but he does have talent.
He was terrible catching passes this season ... he botched a number of easy catches including one that went for a pick.

Overall he is a below average backup RB ... if you look at every team in the NFL most have a better #2 than Brown

 
Bri said:
monk said:
Rotoworld:

The Newark Star-Ledger wonders if impending free agent James Starks could be a "contingency plan" for the Giants.
Giants GM Jerry Reese recently said he'll put together a "contingency plan" should David Wilson (neck surgery) not be ready for the start of the 2014 season. Starks isn't likely to return to Green Bay. He also has a history with new Giants OC Ben McAdoo, is from New York, and went to college at Buffalo. Starks isn't going to break the bank and would be an upgrade on Andre Brown.

Related: Giants

Source: Newark Star-Ledger
Starks doesn't fit for me...idk.

Since Franklin was in the doghouse, yet looked real good that one game and some liked him predraft and preseason....it'd be worth a call to see if he's still in the doghouse.

I strongly disagree with the roto comment that Starks is better than Andre Brown.
I don't understand the infatuation with Andre Brown ... He has done nothing for almost his entire career including this season.

He averaged 3.5 yds per carry and seemed to get worse and worse as the season went on , fumbling 3 times in the final 4 games and avg 1.7 yds per in the final 3 games and he can't catch. They desperately need rbs and and Andre Brown should not be one of them.
That was a bad OL he ran behind, plenty of posts illustrating that.

He's been good (not great) every chance he got, til he eventually got hurt.

I'm totally not infatuated with him. Starks is nothing special. I would prefer the Giants do exactly what the Packers seemed to do and draft two RBs rather than start Starks.

I don't see any value in switching. Brown can put a team on his back and very few "good" backs can-they make the best backups IMO. The Giants have had incredible depth for 10-20 years now and this past year were stuck. I have no confidence in Starks as a lead back in a Coughlin type offense(see merge of two styles above) but I do have confidence in Brown.

I think their plan should be to add a thoroughbred and have Brown back him up.
Didnt mean you ... I meant in general people seem to be infatuated with Brown this year.

I thought he was the worst back on the team this season other than Cox (rookie) and Scott (just bad)

I wouldn't want Starks as a primary back but I would take him or even Hillis over Brown

I know the line sucked but that it was much much better when he was the primary back than when Wilson was.

 

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