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Capella said:
uhhhhhh
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Remind me of what happened in the summer of 2020, because I distinctly remember Tampa crushing Columbus in 5 games. Yes, they got swept the year before, but that’s not the point, they’ve done well against Torts recently.

 
Aaron Rudnicki said:
Pretty sure Kal El was still listening to Red Wings games in 2019
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No, I was following Tampa by that point. I started sometime in 2018, after not following hockey at all for a few years at least. Got very annoyed by that series, though, because they were clearly better than whatever that series was. Thankfully, the perfect remedy for that is winning 2 straight Cups.

 
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Kal El said:
Remind me of what happened in the summer of 2020, because I distinctly remember Tampa crushing Columbus in 5 games. Yes, they got swept the year before, but that’s not the point, they’ve done well against Torts recently.
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Ok it doesn’t matter anymore because of 2 straight cups but the bolts had one of the greatest regular season teams ever and got swept by that guy. I’d hate if he took the Florida job. 

 
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Capella said:
Ok it doesn’t matter anymore because of 2 straight cups but the bolts had one of the greatest regular season teams ever and got swept by that guy. I’d hate if he took the Florida job. 
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I know, but the Lightning are better than that team that got swept. Heck, we saw them make the playoffs while missing Kucherov all season.

 
Leafs get Rielly for $7.5 Million for the next eight years. Less than he would have gotten if he went UFA, so I assumed he was all but gone but probably about right really.

Rielly is in my opinion truly ELITE at getting the puck out of the D zone, up the ice and into the offensive zone. He's not a dynamic scorer or offensive weapon once they're in and he's not a great shut down guy if they get pinned in their own end which is why he can't be a true top tier NHL dman - but the transition game, zone exits, zone entries, breakout passes etc... is where he earns this money.

I have no idea how the Leafs are going to work the salary cap going forward though with $47M committed now to Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares and Rielly.

 
Northern Voice said:
Leafs get Rielly for $7.5 Million for the next eight years. Less than he would have gotten if he went UFA, so I assumed he was all but gone but probably about right really.

Rielly is in my opinion truly ELITE at getting the puck out of the D zone, up the ice and into the offensive zone. He's not a dynamic scorer or offensive weapon once they're in and he's not a great shut down guy if they get pinned in their own end which is why he can't be a true top tier NHL dman - but the transition game, zone exits, zone entries, breakout passes etc... is where he earns this money.

I have no idea how the Leafs are going to work the salary cap going forward though with $47M committed now to Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares and Rielly.
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Lightning 101... LTIR

 
Anybody know if they have vaccination restrictions for the TB NASH outdoor game?

Edit.

Never mind  I just looked at the ticket prices.   

 
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So Toews and Kane with their comments, they're basically done forever, right?

Reputations permanently ruined. Can't possibly be selected for upcoming Olympics. Will be booed out of every NHL arena.

Right?

 
BeTheMatch said:
So Toews and Kane with their comments, they're basically done forever, right?

Reputations permanently ruined. Can't possibly be selected for upcoming Olympics. Will be booed out of every NHL arena.

Right?
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Toews was never going to be on the upcoming Canada roster anyway. I have no doubt Kane will be on the USA roster though.

 
BeTheMatch said:
So Toews and Kane with their comments, they're basically done forever, right?

Reputations permanently ruined. Can't possibly be selected for upcoming Olympics. Will be booed out of every NHL arena.

Right?
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Toews: "We wish we could have done something differently, myself included."

You could have, Johnny.  You just didn't have the courage and chose not to.  

 
does Cheveldayoff get clipped as well? Not sure how powerful he was, but pretty much everybody else in that meeting is unemployed now it seems.

 
BeTheMatch said:
So Toews and Kane with their comments, they're basically done forever, right?

Reputations permanently ruined. Can't possibly be selected for upcoming Olympics. Will be booed out of every NHL arena.

Right?
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I'm not sure any of that will happen.

 
Is Q banned for life?  I mean, he probably is for all intents and purposes, but has the NHL said exactly what his punishment is other than being removed as the Panthers' coach?

 
chet said:
Is Q banned for life?  I mean, he probably is for all intents and purposes, but has the NHL said exactly what his punishment is other than being removed as the Panthers' coach?
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if he wants back in, he'll have to get approval from Bettman (same as Stan).

I think both of them resigned rather than getting fired to try and save face, but they were not really given an option to stick around.

 
Aaron Rudnicki said:
I'm not sure any of that will happen.
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Me either. But it obviously should.

I'd like to see the Blackhawks strip them of their captaincy and then healthy scratch them for the rest of their contracts.

I know that's not going to happen. But it would be pretty easy for Blackhawks fans to force this. Boo from start to finish every game until it happens. Take all the jerseys and throw them on the ice throughout the game.

The organization couldn't just ignore the media attention.

But no one will do anything. Because. Always because.

 
BeTheMatch said:
Me either. But it obviously should.

I'd like to see the Blackhawks strip them of their captaincy and then healthy scratch them for the rest of their contracts.

I know that's not going to happen. But it would be pretty easy for Blackhawks fans to force this. Boo from start to finish every game until it happens. Take all the jerseys and throw them on the ice throughout the game.

The organization couldn't just ignore the media attention.

But no one will do anything. Because. Always because.
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ok, but how much of this really falls on those guys? yes, they said dumb things while trying to stand up for Bowman, but this seems a bit excessive.

it was reported to the President of the team, who decided to do nothing. it was also reported to the NHLPA, who apparently did nothing.

with regard to your last sentence, that seems a bit unfair too as Bowman and Quenneville clearly were forced to quit as a result of this investigation. That's pretty significant, especially since Quenneville ranks 2nd in all-time wins, is on a new team, and coaching one of the elite teams in the league.

 
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Aaron Rudnicki said:
ok, but how much of this really falls on those guys? yes, they said dumb things but this seems a bit excessive.

it was reported to the President of the team, who decided to do nothing. it was also reported to the NHLPA, who apparently did nothing.

with regard to your last sentence, that seems a bit unfair too as Bowman and Quenneville clearly were forced to quit as a result of this investigation. That's pretty significant, especially since Quenneville ranks 2nd in all-time wins, is on a new team, and coaching one of the elite teams in the league.
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So no consequences for the players? For their role during, after and continuing now? That seems more than a bit unfair.

It's not a right to play in the NHL. Owners and teams need to ask themselves if people actually matter. When will it ever be enough to hold them accountable?

Kaepernick was banned for life in essence for saying black people should be treated equally.

But these guys can look the other way while it happens, say nothing and outright lie for a decade and then now say how there are good people on both sides.

It should be unacceptable. And owners have demonstrated over and over again that all they care about is money. Above all else. No matter the human toll.

Maybe it's time for something to be done to show that that's unacceptable. Fans have more power than they realize.

 
Aaron Rudnicki said:
ok, but how much of this really falls on those guys? yes, they said dumb things while trying to stand up for Bowman, but this seems a bit excessive.

it was reported to the President of the team, who decided to do nothing. it was also reported to the NHLPA, who apparently did nothing.

with regard to your last sentence, that seems a bit unfair too as Bowman and Quenneville clearly were forced to quit as a result of this investigation. That's pretty significant, especially since Quenneville ranks 2nd in all-time wins, is on a new team, and coaching one of the elite teams in the league.
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As far as Toews and Kane go, I don’t think they should have any punishment beyond getting the letters taken away, but that suggested punishment seems excessive. They weren’t really in a position to do anything about it when this all happened, and I feel as though they don’t have the whole story. They’re still wrong, but the hammer should come down on the Blackhawks brass who was there at the time.

 
And forget the fans for a minute. Where the eff are the players?????? Where is the union???? They should be striking until something more is done.

But I guess the culture is what it is. So about six guys in the league actually care.

 
Kal El said:
As far as Toews and Kane go, I don’t think they should have any punishment beyond getting the letters taken away, but that suggested punishment seems excessive. They weren’t really in a position to do anything about it when this all happened, and I feel as though they don’t have the whole story. They’re still wrong, but the hammer should come down on the Blackhawks brass who was there at the time.
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They weren't? The team could've refused to take the ice until something was done. 

 
BeTheMatch said:
So no consequences for the players? For their role during, after and continuing now? That seems more than a bit unfair.

It's not a right to play in the NHL. Owners and teams need to ask themselves if people actually matter. When will it ever be enough to hold them accountable?

Kaepernick was banned for life in essence for saying black people should be treated equally.

But these guys can look the other way while it happens, say nothing and outright lie for a decade and then now say how there are good people on both sides.

It should be unacceptable. And owners have demonstrated over and over again that all they care about is money. Above all else. No matter the human toll.

Maybe it's time for something to be done to show that that's unacceptable. Fans have more power than they realize.
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what are we accusing Kane and Toews of here? The incident was reported to the team. Don't even think they were aware of it until the following year when Aldrich was gone.

Even Beach said he assumed something had happened but found out later when that the guy assaulted someone else when he googled it and that made him take action.

 
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BeTheMatch said:
And forget the fans for a minute. Where the eff are the players?????? Where is the union???? They should be striking until something more is done.

But I guess the culture is what it is. So about six guys in the league actually care.
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the UNION failed to act and protect one of their own constituents. That's the NHLPA. It was reported to them, and that also went nowhere.

not sure why there isn't more anger directed at them vs Kane/Toews.

also, Duncan Keith wasn't even interviewed as part of the investigation. Do you want to burn him at the stake too?

 
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what are we accusing Kane and Toews of here? The incident was reported to the team. Don't even think they were aware of it until the following year when Aldrich was gone.

Even Beach said he assumed something had happened but found out later when that the guy assaulted someone else when he googled it and that made him take action.
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My understanding, which may be wrong, from reading the pieces on the Athletic is that Beach said then and now that the players knew the whole time. And that he felt betrayed that no one ever stepped up for him. And in fact some of the players were whispering behind the scenes and painting Beach to be a horrible guy and helping to destroy his career during the years long character assassination and cover-up that went on.

 
BeTheMatch said:
My understanding, which may be wrong, from reading the pieces on the Athletic is that Beach said then and now that the players knew the whole time. And that he felt betrayed that no one ever stepped up for him. And in fact some of the players were whispering behind the scenes and painting Beach to be a horrible guy and helping to destroy his career during the years long character assassination and cover-up that went on.
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my impression is that the players didn't find out until the next season after Aldrich was gone.

you think they knew about this while partying with Aldrich after they won the Cup? 

 
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Aaron Rudnicki said:
the UNION failed to act and protect one of their own constituents. That's the NHLPA. It was reported to them, and that also went nowhere.

not sure why there isn't more anger directed at them vs Kane/Toews.

also, Duncan Keith wasn't even interviewed as part of the investigation. Do you want to burn him at the stake too?
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There is plenty of anger toward Fehr. And he should be held accountable too. My point is I'm not sure how fans effect that change.

And I think it's troubling, in light of what happened to Beach, to say that a player no longer being allowed to play in the NHL because of their words and (in)actions is burning them at the stake.

Every one has their own opinion on all this. I'm just surprised - I shouldn't be anymore - that nothing more is apparently going to happen.

 
also, Patrick Kane has a laundry list of horrible incidents in his past. he's disliked by a ton of fans and not sure he's ever been held accountable.

 
BeTheMatch said:
There is plenty of anger toward Fehr. And he should be held accountable too. My point is I'm not sure how fans effect that change.

And I think it's troubling, in light of what happened to Beach, to say that a player no longer being allowed to play in the NHL because of their words and (in)actions is burning them at the stake.

Every one has their own opinion on all this. I'm just surprised - I shouldn't be anymore - that nothing more is apparently going to happen.
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maybe we should have taken action against Kane when he was accused of rape? or when he beat up a cab driver.

 
Aaron Rudnicki said:
also, Patrick Kane has a laundry list of horrible incidents in his past. he's disliked by a ton of fans and not sure he's ever been held accountable.
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I've heard those vaguely referenced during all this, and I guess I was unaware of that - which is a problem in and of itself.

So apparently this is an organization that really doesn't give a crap about anything.

 
BeTheMatch said:
I've heard those vaguely referenced during all this, and I guess I was unaware of that - which is a problem in and of itself.

So apparently this is an organization that really doesn't give a crap about anything.
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yes, they've enabled Kane throughout his career. he's about the last person who you want sticking up for you.

 
Northern Voice said:
Leafs get Rielly for $7.5 Million for the next eight years. Less than he would have gotten if he went UFA, so I assumed he was all but gone but probably about right really.

Rielly is in my opinion truly ELITE at getting the puck out of the D zone, up the ice and into the offensive zone. He's not a dynamic scorer or offensive weapon once they're in and he's not a great shut down guy if they get pinned in their own end which is why he can't be a true top tier NHL dman - but the transition game, zone exits, zone entries, breakout passes etc... is where he earns this money.

I have no idea how the Leafs are going to work the salary cap going forward though with $47M committed now to Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares and Rielly.
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https://twitter.com/phtevens/status/1454113507222376458?s=21

“By taking a discount to stay in Toronto Morgan Rielly has shown he doesn’t care about money or winning. It’s a rare combination in an athlete and I respect it“

 
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