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2024-25 NBA Thread: Stephen A leading ESPN’s draft coverage by yelling about players he’s never heard of until now (112 Viewers)

Love Jrue but he's going to get packaged with the Blazers pick in this draft for somebody else. RJ Barrett is my guess.

They could have made that trade without getting a player on a negative value contract while giving up picks.

Pretty sure Portland can afford to give up 2nd round picks. They have a crap ton of them.

This is about moving off of Simons and lining up a bigger trade.

I don't think they can combine Holiday with another player for a while due to trade rules, so this only makes sense if they are 1-for-1 trading for a player that makes more than Simons' matching salary (They could have made a trade for anybody 1-for-1 up to just over $35m in 25-26 cap) to Holiday's matching salary (just under $41m). A total of 16 players in the NBA fall in that range. One is on the Blazers (Ayton). 5 are untouchable for one reason or another (Wager, Barnes, Maxey, SGA, Bane). One is Harden who makes no sense. Any of the remaining 4 PGs seem unlikely (Garland, Morant, LaMelo, Fox) as that is probably their lowest need. That leaves Anunoby, Williamson, Ingram, MPJ, and Bam. The only two that make sense from that group for the trading team are MPJ and maaaaaybe Ingram.

So they can't trade Holiday and their 1st round pick?

Yes they can but there are restrictions.

1. I think this will have to be a trade that is official on July 6th or whenever the new league year starts as making this a 24-25 trade would put Portland over the tax. So, given Boston's approval, they could roll this trade into a bigger trade BUT they couldn't stair step from Simons at 27 million or whatever to Holiday at 32m to Player X at 40m. So rolling this into a bigger trade wouldn't make sense to me.

2. They could immediately trade Holiday in a one for one trade but he can't be aggregated with anybody else. I don't think any team has ever tried stair stepping from one player to a next to increase trade $$ to make a bigger trade so I don't know if that is legal or not but in spirit that seems like cap circumvention. Two months after this trade is made official, they can do whatever they want with Holiday.

I might be wrong about both but I'm pretty sure that is the way it works.

Crazy impressive you know this. The NBA trade rules are about as complicated as it can get.

And whoever my Wiz get, I feel sorry for them. This franchise makes the CLE Browns seem well run. I'd like to get Knueppel who from what I can tell would eventually fill a big leadership and hustle void. And is a solid enough shooter and defender. Next I guess would be Maluach to provide a rim presence. and let Sarr stretch the D. Frankly anyone they get is an upgrade
 
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Running the numbers on the Celtics, they have painted themselves into a corner. If we skip next season entirely, and they felt like bringing back Simons the following year, they would have locked up $182M or more in JB, JT, White, and Simons. That's $20M more than they spent this year on their starting 5. They would have close to nothing to spend on the rest of the roster to stay under the second apron. They'd also have no size. Will be interesting to see who Brad can flip KP for. Word on the street is he'll be moved by the weekend.
I think Simons is more likely to be re-traded this season than Jrue. Celtics still need to shed something like $17m to get under the second apron.

At the very least, getting Simons is a pretty low stakes gamble for the Celtics . If he blows up this year with the 5000 threes Mazzula lets him shoot, they can keep him. If not, there’s not much sunk cost to just let him walk.
 
NBA draft tomorrow night. Anybody mocking up drafts? Who will your team draft? Who do you want?

For my Spurs, unless Nico chooses to Nico, they will be taking Harper with the #2. It's a no-brainer (I know no-brainers).

With the 14, lots of things can happen. If the Spurs play it out and don't trade the pick, Thomas Sorber is my guy. I think he could complement Wemby as part of a 2-big lineup, and could provide some sorely needed front court presence when Victor is being rested.

If the Spurs go with a wing instead, sign me up for some Cedric Coward.

If they go with a project, Joan Beringer. Love the prospect, but he needs a lot of development ... converted soccer goalie who started playing basketball just four years ago.
For the Lakers at #55, I’m hoping there’s another son of a generational superstar that they can luck into again. N
 
Running the numbers on the Celtics, they have painted themselves into a corner. If we skip next season entirely, and they felt like bringing back Simons the following year, they would have locked up $182M or more in JB, JT, White, and Simons. That's $20M more than they spent this year on their starting 5. They would have close to nothing to spend on the rest of the roster to stay under the second apron. They'd also have no size. Will be interesting to see who Brad can flip KP for. Word on the street is he'll be moved by the weekend.
I think Simons is more likely to be re-traded this season than Jrue. Celtics still need to shed something like $17m to get under the second apron.

At the very least, getting Simons is a pretty low stakes gamble for the Celtics . If he blows up this year with the 5000 threes Mazzula lets him shoot, they can keep him. If not, there’s not much sunk cost to just let him walk.
From what I have seen and heard, Porzingis will be moved by the weekend to get them under the second apron (whether that be just from KP being dealt or other minor moves). Once they are under that, they can tinker with the player mix for the next season starting on 7/1. Maybe they would be better off to let Simons walk (assuming they keep him for this year). That could allow them to not be so top heavy. They'd still have $156M tied up in JB, JT, and DW for the 2026-27 season (if they are still there by then).
 
NBA draft tomorrow night. Anybody mocking up drafts? Who will your team draft? Who do you want?

For my Spurs, unless Nico chooses to Nico, they will be taking Harper with the #2. It's a no-brainer (I know no-brainers).

With the 14, lots of things can happen. If the Spurs play it out and don't trade the pick, Thomas Sorber is my guy. I think he could complement Wemby as part of a 2-big lineup, and could provide some sorely needed front court presence when Victor is being rested.

If the Spurs go with a wing instead, sign me up for some Cedric Coward.

If they go with a project, Joan Beringer. Love the prospect, but he needs a lot of development ... converted soccer goalie who started playing basketball just four years ago.
For the Lakers at #55, I’m hoping there’s another son of a generational superstar that they can luck into again. N

Please no.
 
Running the numbers on the Celtics, they have painted themselves into a corner. If we skip next season entirely, and they felt like bringing back Simons the following year, they would have locked up $182M or more in JB, JT, White, and Simons. That's $20M more than they spent this year on their starting 5. They would have close to nothing to spend on the rest of the roster to stay under the second apron. They'd also have no size. Will be interesting to see who Brad can flip KP for. Word on the street is he'll be moved by the weekend.
I think Simons is more likely to be re-traded this season than Jrue. Celtics still need to shed something like $17m to get under the second apron.

At the very least, getting Simons is a pretty low stakes gamble for the Celtics . If he blows up this year with the 5000 threes Mazzula lets him shoot, they can keep him. If not, there’s not much sunk cost to just let him walk.

He's also the type of player and contract someone like Brooklyn might want to absorb outright and take a flyer on.
 
Going to be fun to watch this Orlando Magic team be great
Paolo or Franz need to make the next leap to first team all NBA guy in order for this to be true.
Agree. They're both highly inefficient players. Franz' 3 is all kinds of messed up. Who knows if he can get that fixed?

Bane is a perfect fit for them though and exactly what they needed. But, he's injury prone. So are Suggs, Banchero, both Wagners, Isaac, etc.

Paper Dynasty.
 
NBA draft tomorrow night. Anybody mocking up drafts? Who will your team draft? Who do you want?

For my Spurs, unless Nico chooses to Nico, they will be taking Harper with the #2. It's a no-brainer (I know no-brainers).

With the 14, lots of things can happen. If the Spurs play it out and don't trade the pick, Thomas Sorber is my guy. I think he could complement Wemby as part of a 2-big lineup, and could provide some sorely needed front court presence when Victor is being rested.

If the Spurs go with a wing instead, sign me up for some Cedric Coward.

If they go with a project, Joan Beringer. Love the prospect, but he needs a lot of development ... converted soccer goalie who started playing basketball just four years ago.
1. Dallas - Flagg
2. San Antonio - Harper
3. 76ers: VJ Edgecombe
4. Hornets: Knueppel
5. Jazz: Fears
6. Zards: Tre Johnson
7. Pels: Ace Bailey
8. Brooklyn: Egor Demin
9. Toronto: Maluach
10. Phoenix: Asa Newell - as hell bent as they've been to add defense / a center, someone like Sorber wouldn't shock.
11. Portland: Carter Bryant
12. Bulls: Noa Essengue
13. Hawks: Cedric Coward
14. San Antonio: Liam McNeeley
 
Going to be fun to watch this Orlando Magic team be great
Paolo or Franz need to make the next leap to first team all NBA guy in order for this to be true.
Agree. They're both highly inefficient players. Franz' 3 is all kinds of messed up. Who knows if he can get that fixed?

Bane is a perfect fit for them though and exactly what they needed. But, he's injury prone. So are Suggs, Banchero, both Wagners, Isaac, etc.

Paper Dynasty.
But you agree they are a dynasty
 
NBA draft tomorrow night. Anybody mocking up drafts? Who will your team draft? Who do you want?

For my Spurs, unless Nico chooses to Nico, they will be taking Harper with the #2. It's a no-brainer (I know no-brainers).

With the 14, lots of things can happen. If the Spurs play it out and don't trade the pick, Thomas Sorber is my guy. I think he could complement Wemby as part of a 2-big lineup, and could provide some sorely needed front court presence when Victor is being rested.

If the Spurs go with a wing instead, sign me up for some Cedric Coward.

If they go with a project, Joan Beringer. Love the prospect, but he needs a lot of development ... converted soccer goalie who started playing basketball just four years ago.
1. Dallas - Flagg
2. San Antonio - Harper
3. 76ers: VJ Edgecombe
4. Hornets: Knueppel
5. Jazz: Fears
6. Zards: Tre Johnson
7. Pels: Ace Bailey
8. Brooklyn: Egor Demin
9. Toronto: Maluach
10. Phoenix: Asa Newell - as hell bent as they've been to add defense / a center, someone like Sorber wouldn't shock.
11. Portland: Carter Bryant
12. Bulls: Noa Essengue
13. Hawks: Cedric Coward
14. San Antonio: Liam McNeeley
My sense after soaking in a few sources is that Ace Bailey ends up going to Washington at #6. I hope it works out for them both. ...Ace to Charlotte would be an epic trainwreck.

I've seen a couple of mocks with the Sixers selecting Tre Johnson.

Not crazy about McNeely, but wouldn't hate it - he'd better light it up from 3. ... while not wild about Derik Queen, at 14 I might take a swing at his high ceiling.
 
NBA draft tomorrow night. Anybody mocking up drafts? Who will your team draft? Who do you want?

For my Spurs, unless Nico chooses to Nico, they will be taking Harper with the #2. It's a no-brainer (I know no-brainers).

With the 14, lots of things can happen. If the Spurs play it out and don't trade the pick, Thomas Sorber is my guy. I think he could complement Wemby as part of a 2-big lineup, and could provide some sorely needed front court presence when Victor is being rested.

If the Spurs go with a wing instead, sign me up for some Cedric Coward.

If they go with a project, Joan Beringer. Love the prospect, but he needs a lot of development ... converted soccer goalie who started playing basketball just four years ago.
1. Dallas - Flagg
2. San Antonio - Harper
3. 76ers: VJ Edgecombe
4. Hornets: Knueppel
5. Jazz: Fears
6. Zards: Tre Johnson
7. Pels: Ace Bailey
8. Brooklyn: Egor Demin
9. Toronto: Maluach
10. Phoenix: Asa Newell - as hell bent as they've been to add defense / a center, someone like Sorber wouldn't shock.
11. Portland: Carter Bryant
12. Bulls: Noa Essengue
13. Hawks: Cedric Coward
14. San Antonio: Liam McNeeley
Jakucionis? :missing:
 
Why do people like this trade for Boston? Simons kinda sucks from a team building standpoint. Sure he can score but he’s a turnstile on defense and with his size probably isn’t getting better.
I think I read it saved them about $40 million, don't think it's really much about the Simons return. Many saw Jrue as a negative asset, and they were still able to at least get a few 2nds out of him.
I get his contract sucks and he’s getting older but he’s still a good player. Didn’t know he was considered a negative asset. Not sure that’s true.
They were actively shopping him to multiple teams and this was the deal they thought was the best they could do. Seems pretty clear what the market thought of him.
 
Why do people like this trade for Boston? Simons kinda sucks from a team building standpoint. Sure he can score but he’s a turnstile on defense and with his size probably isn’t getting better.
I think I read it saved them about $40 million, don't think it's really much about the Simons return. Many saw Jrue as a negative asset, and they were still able to at least get a few 2nds out of him.
I get his contract sucks and he’s getting older but he’s still a good player. Didn’t know he was considered a negative asset. Not sure that’s true.
They were actively shopping him to multiple teams and this was the deal they thought was the best they could do. Seems pretty clear what the market thought of him.

Plus with Jrue's age and his injury history most teams probably believe his abilities (especially defensively) will fall off a sooner rather than later.

Love Jrue's game and he was an awesome player, but I would bet he looks like Mike Conley in the next season or two at 3.5 times the price.
 
Running the numbers on the Celtics, they have painted themselves into a corner. If we skip next season entirely, and they felt like bringing back Simons the following year, they would have locked up $182M or more in JB, JT, White, and Simons. That's $20M more than they spent this year on their starting 5. They would have close to nothing to spend on the rest of the roster to stay under the second apron. They'd also have no size. Will be interesting to see who Brad can flip KP for. Word on the street is he'll be moved by the weekend.
I think Simons is more likely to be re-traded this season than Jrue. Celtics still need to shed something like $17m to get under the second apron.

At the very least, getting Simons is a pretty low stakes gamble for the Celtics . If he blows up this year with the 5000 threes Mazzula lets him shoot, they can keep him. If not, there’s not much sunk cost to just let him walk.
From what I have seen and heard, Porzingis will be moved by the weekend to get them under the second apron (whether that be just from KP being dealt or other minor moves). Once they are under that, they can tinker with the player mix for the next season starting on 7/1. Maybe they would be better off to let Simons walk (assuming they keep him for this year). That could allow them to not be so top heavy. They'd still have $156M tied up in JB, JT, and DW for the 2026-27 season (if they are still there by then).
It’ll be interesting to see who is able to take on Kristaps without giving back much salary in return - Brooklyn?
 
someone needs to take a scythe to NBA trade rules and start over. these things are way too complicated and unnecessarily confusing.

player for player, full stop. start revoking franchises.

Bird law is very clear on this.
What really sucks is every time there is a trade now we have to hear about how much some team is saving in 2028 and how close they are to the second apron and how this will save them from that etc etc who gives a ****. I grew up watching hoops not excel spreadsheets. “My team won’t pay the tax in 2029 now!” Ok bro have you ever touched a woman?
 
BLOCKBUSTER TRADE: Pelicans trade McCollum and Olynyk to Washington for Poole and Bey
I think I like this trade for both teams better than consensus.

Gets off of long term money for Washington and provides somebody who is probably a bit better suited to play along side Carrington in the short term. Saves money this year for the Pels and gives them a little higher upside play with Poole. It's mostly trash for trash, but I think everybody is probably better for it.
 
someone needs to take a scythe to NBA trade rules and start over. these things are way too complicated and unnecessarily confusing.

player for player, full stop. start revoking franchises.

Bird law is very clear on this.
What really sucks is every time there is a trade now we have to hear about how much some team is saving in 2028 and how close they are to the second apron and how this will save them from that etc etc who gives a ****. I grew up watching hoops not excel spreadsheets. “My team won’t pay the tax in 2029 now!” Ok bro have you ever touched a woman?
Sorry that math is too hard for you.
 
BLOCKBUSTER TRADE: Pelicans trade McCollum and Olynyk to Washington for Poole and Bey

Glad to see Poole moved. I had very high hopes for him when they got him. It took about 3 games for those hopes to abate. The guy can put up points some nights, but there's no consistency. The $s do not match the output. And we desperately needed some leadership.
 
NBA draft tomorrow night. Anybody mocking up drafts? Who will your team draft? Who do you want?

For my Spurs, unless Nico chooses to Nico, they will be taking Harper with the #2. It's a no-brainer (I know no-brainers).

With the 14, lots of things can happen. If the Spurs play it out and don't trade the pick, Thomas Sorber is my guy. I think he could complement Wemby as part of a 2-big lineup, and could provide some sorely needed front court presence when Victor is being rested.

If the Spurs go with a wing instead, sign me up for some Cedric Coward.

If they go with a project, Joan Beringer. Love the prospect, but he needs a lot of development ... converted soccer goalie who started playing basketball just four years ago.
1. Dallas - Flagg
2. San Antonio - Harper
3. 76ers: VJ Edgecombe
4. Hornets: Knueppel
5. Jazz: Fears
6. Zards: Tre Johnson
7. Pels: Ace Bailey
8. Brooklyn: Egor Demin
9. Toronto: Maluach
10. Phoenix: Asa Newell - as hell bent as they've been to add defense / a center, someone like Sorber wouldn't shock.
11. Portland: Carter Bryant
12. Bulls: Noa Essengue
13. Hawks: Cedric Coward
14. San Antonio: Liam McNeeley
Jakucionis? :missing:
If not Brooklyn, not sure where he goes after them in the lottery.

KJ was pretty bad the last couple months of season. Obviously young but he got so rattled compounding mistake after mistake far too much even as a college PG. I question if he'll be able to handle the point FT at the NBA level. Showed huge upside early in season but just inexcusably reckless the last couple months.
 
BLOCKBUSTER TRADE: Pelicans trade McCollum and Olynyk to Washington for Poole and Bey

Glad to see Poole moved. I had very high hopes for him when they got him. It took about 3 games for those hopes to abate. The guy can put up points some nights, but there's no consistency. The $s do not match the output. And we desperately needed some leadership.
Wizards did pretty well overall with Poole - got a 1st round pick to take on his contract and didn’t have to give up anything of value to trade him away.
 
someone needs to take a scythe to NBA trade rules and start over. these things are way too complicated and unnecessarily confusing.

player for player, full stop. start revoking franchises.

Bird law is very clear on this.
What really sucks is every time there is a trade now we have to hear about how much some team is saving in 2028 and how close they are to the second apron and how this will save them from that etc etc who gives a ****. I grew up watching hoops not excel spreadsheets. “My team won’t pay the tax in 2029 now!” Ok bro have you ever touched a woman?
I’m holding out hope for the day when one team controls the entire second round of the draft.
 
someone needs to take a scythe to NBA trade rules and start over. these things are way too complicated and unnecessarily confusing.

player for player, full stop. start revoking franchises.

Bird law is very clear on this.
What really sucks is every time there is a trade now we have to hear about how much some team is saving in 2028 and how close they are to the second apron and how this will save them from that etc etc who gives a ****. I grew up watching hoops not excel spreadsheets. “My team won’t pay the tax in 2029 now!” Ok bro have you ever touched a woman?
Sorry that math is too hard for you.
lol I pretty much math it up all day for a living. Doesn’t mean I want to hear about it for my interests.

I too remember watching NBC in the 90s and Bob Costas introducing the game with his voiceover, detailing Chicago’s clean spreadsheet both now and into the future. Microsoft excel and a calculator cuts over the screen. Cut to the owner’s box where he doesn’t have to pay the apron tax. Back to you, Marv.
 
Wizards just made out like bandits. Got by far the best player in the deal by getting Olynyk.
Who are the Wizards going to spend $100M of cap space on next summer? No one will go there.
They’ll try to do what OKC did when building out their team - use the cap space to trade for bad salaries and get assets attached to them. That flexibility will be huge as teams try to avoid the biggest penalties in the new CBA.

For example, they could trade McCollum for Bradley Beal and five second round picks from the Suns.
 
Porzingis to Atlanta.
So at this point, with Tatum's '25-26 season basically being a wash, the Celtics are just giving up?

They had to get under the second apron...everyone knew it and now Stevens has accomplished it and it was little less painful than many expected...Holiday and Porzingas were always the top two guesses as to who they would move but there was a fear they would have to attach legit draft assets to get it done...they actually come out of this with two extra picks and a legit scorer in Simons which is a pleasant surprise...now that the unfun part is done it now gets very interesting...do they actually move either White or Jaylen...the good news is if they do it will be a basketball move and not a spreadsheet move.
 
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Thats the way to use cap space in a rebuild - Nets overflowing with picks - also armed with possible dealing of Claxton and Cam J - praying they find a way to get to #2 for Harper but doubtful - more likely a trade up for Ace and possibly a second lottery pick to build on.
 
So Boston just going to be a 7 seed I guess? What a weird turn of events after they looked unbeatable last year.

Once Tatum got hurt the window on this version was shut...the hope is they retool and are good enough to be something like a 4 or 5 seed and Tatum comes back near the end of the year and they make some noise in the playoffs...if he doesn't come back in 25-26 the hope is he is healthy for 26-27 and they go right back to being title contenders...the short-term navigation of the $ was always there but the Tatum injury was the game-changer...the question now is does this next era of the C's include both Jaylen and White or do they do something dramatic...White is 31 and will never have more value...his contract will not scare anyone away...do the C's try to get younger by moving him or do they ride him out.
 
Once Tatum went down and with their tax situation it seemed fait accompli that Boston wouldn't really be in the mix for anything serious next season. I guess others saw that differently and are therefore more surprised by these moves.
 
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