2025 College Football Thread: Big 10 exploring private equity for infusion of cash to give to fired head coaches (39 Viewers)

[Chadstroma]

Could USC make a go as an Independent? They seem like one of the schools that could actually pull it off. Play that ND game on conference championship weekend.

Outside of ND, I think the following schools could go independent and thrive as well or better than in a conference (ranked in order of ability to thrive)

Ohio St
Texas
Michigan
USC
Alabama

I think it takes a heritage and historical place in CFB with obviously a large and committed fanbase.

A&M?

No, I don't thinks so. I think USC and Alabama are already pushing it. If the Saban era didn't happen then I don't think Alabama would be on that list. The only school not on the list that I think a decent argument could be made for would be Penn St. as I think the fanbase is about the same numbers wise as Michigan.

I think USC could get a good deal being the dominant west coast program and as I touched on above, Alabama's recent success might be able to push it over.

Interesting. I always thought A&M was bigger than UT.

Texas has a top 5 fanbase. Might be top 3... I can not remember from what I saw before. Texas A&M I am sure is a top 20 fanbase but Texas is the big dog in Texas.

I suppose it depends on defining biggest and fanbase. As someone who at age 33 has spent over 20 years living in Texas, I can say I encounter more A&M grads regularly. When I was in HS I think A&M enrollment was about 60k, and UT around 45k. Right now I think A&M is around 80k, UT more like 55k.

I'd be willing to bet a fairly large amount of money there are more people who went to A&M than to Texas.

But I suppose that wouldn't necessarily account for walmart fans. Even then...idk how much time you've spent down here.

Maybe it's a money thing. But I think with A&M's engineering prowess, particularly in petroleum vs UT...they probably have more wealth in total too, given their larger alumni network.

But all that could be wrong. How'd you figure the sizes?

A few years back I looked up college fanbases... I can't remember why... maybe curious or maybe an argument... I clearly remember #1 Ohio St and #2 ND. I do remember being shocked but it kind of made sense as I thought about it. This would not be aluminum numbers but total fanbase... I guess what you call WalMart fans? The biggest issue with any school outside of ND is that they are highly regional in their fanbases where as ND is national (owning Catholic fanbase). Ohio St owns Ohio unlike any other schools owns one of those populated states. Maybe Penn St is the nearest? I said Texas owns Texas but it really doesn't own it just the most dominant out of Texas.

 

[Chadstroma]

Could USC make a go as an Independent? They seem like one of the schools that could actually pull it off. Play that ND game on conference championship weekend.

Outside of ND, I think the following schools could go independent and thrive as well or better than in a conference (ranked in order of ability to thrive)

Ohio St
Texas
Michigan
USC
Alabama

I think it takes a heritage and historical place in CFB with obviously a large and committed fanbase.

A&M?

No, I don't thinks so. I think USC and Alabama are already pushing it. If the Saban era didn't happen then I don't think Alabama would be on that list. The only school not on the list that I think a decent argument could be made for would be Penn St. as I think the fanbase is about the same numbers wise as Michigan.

I think USC could get a good deal being the dominant west coast program and as I touched on above, Alabama's recent success might be able to push it over.

Interesting. I always thought A&M was bigger than UT.

Texas has a top 5 fanbase. Might be top 3... I can not remember from what I saw before. Texas A&M I am sure is a top 20 fanbase but Texas is the big dog in Texas.

I suppose it depends on defining biggest and fanbase. As someone who at age 33 has spent over 20 years living in Texas, I can say I encounter more A&M grads regularly. When I was in HS I think A&M enrollment was about 60k, and UT around 45k. Right now I think A&M is around 80k, UT more like 55k.

I'd be willing to bet a fairly large amount of money there are more people who went to A&M than to Texas.

But I suppose that wouldn't necessarily account for walmart fans. Even then...idk how much time you've spent down here.

Maybe it's a money thing. But I think with A&M's engineering prowess, particularly in petroleum vs UT...they probably have more wealth in total too, given their larger alumni network.

But all that could be wrong. How'd you figure the sizes?

Nationwide, UT has the bigger fan base. But in Texas? It’s A&M and I don’t think it’s even close.

Anecdotally, my band schedules its gigs and Chance for Hope schedules its events to avoid A&M home games. We hardly bother to check UT’s home schedule.

This past weekend, I had 30+ friends at the A&M game (some paying $2000 per ticket). Other than my cousin, I don’t know anyone who has attended a UT game this season.

And I know people my age who attended UT. Not a single one of their kids is at UT. Part of this is because it’s nearly impossible to get into UT. But TONS of our friends kids are at A&M. A&M is now an Alma mater and fan base that passes from generation to generation. UT is not that any longer and I don’t think that will change anytime soon.

As for data, check out this article from the Daily Texan:

The fans have spoken: Texas A&M is now more popular than Texas in the state

For quite some time now, Texas has been a Longhorn state. In 2011, a Public Policy Pollings poll showed that 23 percent of the state identified as Longhorn fans compared to just 15 percent identifying as fans of Texas A&M. But, since the era of Johnny Manziel begain those numbers have shifted...

thedailytexan.com

It was published 12 years ago in 2013.

I looked a couple years back and wasn't looking at regional numbers but total fanbase but I do remember Texas being a top ten and Texas A&M much lower but still making the top 20.

 

[bigbottom]

Could USC make a go as an Independent? They seem like one of the schools that could actually pull it off. Play that ND game on conference championship weekend.

Outside of ND, I think the following schools could go independent and thrive as well or better than in a conference (ranked in order of ability to thrive)

Ohio St
Texas
Michigan
USC
Alabama

I think it takes a heritage and historical place in CFB with obviously a large and committed fanbase.

A&M?

No, I don't thinks so. I think USC and Alabama are already pushing it. If the Saban era didn't happen then I don't think Alabama would be on that list. The only school not on the list that I think a decent argument could be made for would be Penn St. as I think the fanbase is about the same numbers wise as Michigan.

I think USC could get a good deal being the dominant west coast program and as I touched on above, Alabama's recent success might be able to push it over.

Interesting. I always thought A&M was bigger than UT.

Texas has a top 5 fanbase. Might be top 3... I can not remember from what I saw before. Texas A&M I am sure is a top 20 fanbase but Texas is the big dog in Texas.

I suppose it depends on defining biggest and fanbase. As someone who at age 33 has spent over 20 years living in Texas, I can say I encounter more A&M grads regularly. When I was in HS I think A&M enrollment was about 60k, and UT around 45k. Right now I think A&M is around 80k, UT more like 55k.

I'd be willing to bet a fairly large amount of money there are more people who went to A&M than to Texas.

But I suppose that wouldn't necessarily account for walmart fans. Even then...idk how much time you've spent down here.

Maybe it's a money thing. But I think with A&M's engineering prowess, particularly in petroleum vs UT...they probably have more wealth in total too, given their larger alumni network.

But all that could be wrong. How'd you figure the sizes?

Nationwide, UT has the bigger fan base. But in Texas? It’s A&M and I don’t think it’s even close.

Anecdotally, my band schedules its gigs and Chance for Hope schedules its events to avoid A&M home games. We hardly bother to check UT’s home schedule.

This past weekend, I had 30+ friends at the A&M game (some paying $2000 per ticket). Other than my cousin, I don’t know anyone who has attended a UT game this season.

And I know people my age who attended UT. Not a single one of their kids is at UT. Part of this is because it’s nearly impossible to get into UT. But TONS of our friends kids are at A&M. A&M is now an Alma mater and fan base that passes from generation to generation. UT is not that any longer and I don’t think that will change anytime soon.

As for data, check out this article from the Daily Texan:

The fans have spoken: Texas A&M is now more popular than Texas in the state

For quite some time now, Texas has been a Longhorn state. In 2011, a Public Policy Pollings poll showed that 23 percent of the state identified as Longhorn fans compared to just 15 percent identifying as fans of Texas A&M. But, since the era of Johnny Manziel begain those numbers have shifted...

thedailytexan.com

It was published 12 years ago in 2013.

Everything except the bolded is true to me. The top 8% rule or whatever it's been shrunk to now (was top 10%) means it's pretty easy to have auto admittance to UT. Any motivated kid is capable of being in that percentile if their parents have high standards and provide high support.

I think it’s down to 5%. If you live in a big city with good schools it is extremely difficult. I know several kids who went to Ivy League schools who didn’t get into UT. First, if you are at a good school with five hundred graduates, you have to finish in the top 25 students to get an auto-admit. Those top 25 students have ridiculous academic resumes at good public schools in big Texas cities. And if you are at an elite private school, you have to finish in the top 5-10 students. Good luck with that. Now if you are at some high school in BFE East Texas, I agree that a motivated student can have an easier go of it. Over the past 5-7 years all of our friends kids have applied to schools. UT was the first choice for many of them. I only know one (other than my kid) who was accepted to UT in their major, and she ended up going to A&M where all her friends were going.

That brings me to my second point. Auto-admit just gets you into the university, not into your major or even school of choice. A friend of ours’ daughter was an absolutely stellar student. She was an auto-admit at UT but was denied from the engineering program. So sure, she could have gone to UT to study childhood education or some such, but she wanted to be an engineer. So when I say it’s nearly impossible to get into UT, that is qualified by getting into the school/major you want to pursue.

As for A&M, pretty much all of our friends’ kids got in and probably over half of them went there. That said, it’s starting to get harder to get in, even with their undergraduate enrollment at over 75k.

 

[bigbottom]

Could USC make a go as an Independent? They seem like one of the schools that could actually pull it off. Play that ND game on conference championship weekend.

Outside of ND, I think the following schools could go independent and thrive as well or better than in a conference (ranked in order of ability to thrive)

Ohio St
Texas
Michigan
USC
Alabama

I think it takes a heritage and historical place in CFB with obviously a large and committed fanbase.

A&M?

No, I don't thinks so. I think USC and Alabama are already pushing it. If the Saban era didn't happen then I don't think Alabama would be on that list. The only school not on the list that I think a decent argument could be made for would be Penn St. as I think the fanbase is about the same numbers wise as Michigan.

I think USC could get a good deal being the dominant west coast program and as I touched on above, Alabama's recent success might be able to push it over.

Interesting. I always thought A&M was bigger than UT.

Texas has a top 5 fanbase. Might be top 3... I can not remember from what I saw before. Texas A&M I am sure is a top 20 fanbase but Texas is the big dog in Texas.

I suppose it depends on defining biggest and fanbase. As someone who at age 33 has spent over 20 years living in Texas, I can say I encounter more A&M grads regularly. When I was in HS I think A&M enrollment was about 60k, and UT around 45k. Right now I think A&M is around 80k, UT more like 55k.

I'd be willing to bet a fairly large amount of money there are more people who went to A&M than to Texas.

But I suppose that wouldn't necessarily account for walmart fans. Even then...idk how much time you've spent down here.

Maybe it's a money thing. But I think with A&M's engineering prowess, particularly in petroleum vs UT...they probably have more wealth in total too, given their larger alumni network.

But all that could be wrong. How'd you figure the sizes?

Nationwide, UT has the bigger fan base. But in Texas? It’s A&M and I don’t think it’s even close.

Anecdotally, my band schedules its gigs and Chance for Hope schedules its events to avoid A&M home games. We hardly bother to check UT’s home schedule.

This past weekend, I had 30+ friends at the A&M game (some paying $2000 per ticket). Other than my cousin, I don’t know anyone who has attended a UT game this season.

And I know people my age who attended UT. Not a single one of their kids is at UT. Part of this is because it’s nearly impossible to get into UT. But TONS of our friends kids are at A&M. A&M is now an Alma mater and fan base that passes from generation to generation. UT is not that any longer and I don’t think that will change anytime soon.

As for data, check out this article from the Daily Texan:

The fans have spoken: Texas A&M is now more popular than Texas in the state

For quite some time now, Texas has been a Longhorn state. In 2011, a Public Policy Pollings poll showed that 23 percent of the state identified as Longhorn fans compared to just 15 percent identifying as fans of Texas A&M. But, since the era of Johnny Manziel begain those numbers have shifted...

thedailytexan.com

It was published 12 years ago in 2013.

I looked a couple years back and wasn't looking at regional numbers but total fanbase but I do remember Texas being a top ten and Texas A&M much lower but still making the top 20.

Yeah Texas fan base is different than national/total fan base.

 

[Sparky Polastri]

The size of the fan bases and their sheer number are largely second fiddle to the pockets and their depth and willingness to dip into them.

Not all bases are created equally. I'll take a smaller in number with significantly more wealth base over a huge base full of average joes

 

[Chadstroma]

The size of the fan bases and their sheer number are largely second fiddle to the pockets and their depth and willingness to dip into them.

Not all bases are created equally. I'll take a smaller in number with significantly more wealth base over a huge base full of average joes

Fanbase does have to do with if and what kind of media deals that they could get as an Independent which is exactly what I am talking about. Going Independent has nothing to do with NIL money that a school can pry from rich alumni.

 

[General Malaise]

Could USC make a go as an Independent? They seem like one of the schools that could actually pull it off. Play that ND game on conference championship weekend.

Outside of ND, I think the following schools could go independent and thrive as well or better than in a conference (ranked in order of ability to thrive)

Ohio St
Texas
Michigan
USC
Alabama

I think it takes a heritage and historical place in CFB with obviously a large and committed fanbase.

A&M?

No, I don't thinks so. I think USC and Alabama are already pushing it. If the Saban era didn't happen then I don't think Alabama would be on that list. The only school not on the list that I think a decent argument could be made for would be Penn St. as I think the fanbase is about the same numbers wise as Michigan.

I think USC could get a good deal being the dominant west coast program and as I touched on above, Alabama's recent success might be able to push it over.

Interesting. I always thought A&M was bigger than UT.

Texas has a top 5 fanbase. Might be top 3... I can not remember from what I saw before. Texas A&M I am sure is a top 20 fanbase but Texas is the big dog in Texas.

I suppose it depends on defining biggest and fanbase. As someone who at age 33 has spent over 20 years living in Texas, I can say I encounter more A&M grads regularly. When I was in HS I think A&M enrollment was about 60k, and UT around 45k. Right now I think A&M is around 80k, UT more like 55k.

I'd be willing to bet a fairly large amount of money there are more people who went to A&M than to Texas.

But I suppose that wouldn't necessarily account for walmart fans. Even then...idk how much time you've spent down here.

Maybe it's a money thing. But I think with A&M's engineering prowess, particularly in petroleum vs UT...they probably have more wealth in total too, given their larger alumni network.

But all that could be wrong. How'd you figure the sizes?

Yeah, I feel like maybe we should factor in generational wealth and finance money for more context. Harvard likely has more money than both absent oil, engineering and numbers. Head starts and intellectual superiority matter when it comes to Super Money.

I'd be willing to bet University of Texas is one of the richest in the country but maybe that's not your point?

 

[bigbottom]

Could USC make a go as an Independent? They seem like one of the schools that could actually pull it off. Play that ND game on conference championship weekend.

Outside of ND, I think the following schools could go independent and thrive as well or better than in a conference (ranked in order of ability to thrive)

Ohio St
Texas
Michigan
USC
Alabama

I think it takes a heritage and historical place in CFB with obviously a large and committed fanbase.

A&M?

No, I don't thinks so. I think USC and Alabama are already pushing it. If the Saban era didn't happen then I don't think Alabama would be on that list. The only school not on the list that I think a decent argument could be made for would be Penn St. as I think the fanbase is about the same numbers wise as Michigan.

I think USC could get a good deal being the dominant west coast program and as I touched on above, Alabama's recent success might be able to push it over.

Interesting. I always thought A&M was bigger than UT.

Texas has a top 5 fanbase. Might be top 3... I can not remember from what I saw before. Texas A&M I am sure is a top 20 fanbase but Texas is the big dog in Texas.

I suppose it depends on defining biggest and fanbase. As someone who at age 33 has spent over 20 years living in Texas, I can say I encounter more A&M grads regularly. When I was in HS I think A&M enrollment was about 60k, and UT around 45k. Right now I think A&M is around 80k, UT more like 55k.

I'd be willing to bet a fairly large amount of money there are more people who went to A&M than to Texas.

But I suppose that wouldn't necessarily account for walmart fans. Even then...idk how much time you've spent down here.

Maybe it's a money thing. But I think with A&M's engineering prowess, particularly in petroleum vs UT...they probably have more wealth in total too, given their larger alumni network.

But all that could be wrong. How'd you figure the sizes?

Yeah, I feel like maybe we should factor in generational wealth and finance money for more context. Harvard likely has more money than both absent oil, engineering and numbers. Head starts and intellectual superiority matter when it comes to Super Money.

I'd be willing to bet University of Texas is one of the richest in the country but maybe that's not your point?

It certainly has a crazy big endowment - something close to 50 billion I believe.

 

[Sparky Polastri]

The size of the fan bases and their sheer number are largely second fiddle to the pockets and their depth and willingness to dip into them.

Not all bases are created equally. I'll take a smaller in number with significantly more wealth base over a huge base full of average joes

Fanbase does have to do with if and what kind of media deals that they could get as an Independent which is exactly what I am talking about. Going Independent has nothing to do with NIL money that a school can pry from rich alumni.

Media deal? Sure. Those are small potatoes compared to what you're talking about here and being fully independent. I don't know why you think NIL of all things have nothing to do with it though. That seems WAY off. It's all part of it. Of that list above on who all could go completely independent, I don't think ND or OSU belong. They'd be the first to go IMO. USC and Michigan produce significantly more money and I am just guessing here, but am willing to say that the Texas schools have several billionaires of industry willing to prop them up.

 

[need2know]

Horrible rankings

 

[bigbottom]

Horrible rankings

Top ten looks pretty good to me. After that there’s a fair amount to criticize. But my view is that many/most of those issues may become moot over the next couple weeks.

 

[Chadstroma]

The size of the fan bases and their sheer number are largely second fiddle to the pockets and their depth and willingness to dip into them.

Not all bases are created equally. I'll take a smaller in number with significantly more wealth base over a huge base full of average joes

Fanbase does have to do with if and what kind of media deals that they could get as an Independent which is exactly what I am talking about. Going Independent has nothing to do with NIL money that a school can pry from rich alumni.

Media deal? Sure. Those are small potatoes compared to what you're talking about here and being fully independent. I don't know why you think NIL of all things have nothing to do with it though. That seems WAY off. It's all part of it. Of that list above on who all could go completely independent, I don't think ND or OSU belong. They'd be the first to go IMO. USC and Michigan produce significantly more money and I am just guessing here, but am willing to say that the Texas schools have several billionaires of industry willing to prop them up.

What the hell are you talking about? ND has been independent forever well before NIL.

 

[need2know]

Horrible rankings

Top ten looks pretty good to me. After that there’s a fair amount to criticize. But my view is that many/most of those issues may become moot over the next couple weeks.

oregon and ND have no business being over bama. they have no good wins. and easy as hell schedules.

 

[bigbottom]

Horrible rankings

Top ten looks pretty good to me. After that there’s a fair amount to criticize. But my view is that many/most of those issues may become moot over the next couple weeks.

oregon and ND have no business being over bama. they have no good wins. and easy as hell schedules.

ND over USC is a good win. But I can see your point.

 

[Chadstroma]

Horrible rankings

Top ten looks pretty good to me. After that there’s a fair amount to criticize. But my view is that many/most of those issues may become moot over the next couple weeks.

oregon and ND have no business being over bama. they have no good wins. and easy as hell schedules.

29th SOC for ND- FYI

 

[Schmeabs]

Horrible rankings

Top ten looks pretty good to me. After that there’s a fair amount to criticize. But my view is that many/most of those issues may become moot over the next couple weeks.

oregon and ND have no business being over bama. they have no good wins. and easy as hell schedules.

Maybe don't lose to a terrible Florida State team?

 

[Sparky Polastri]

The size of the fan bases and their sheer number are largely second fiddle to the pockets and their depth and willingness to dip into them.

Not all bases are created equally. I'll take a smaller in number with significantly more wealth base over a huge base full of average joes

Fanbase does have to do with if and what kind of media deals that they could get as an Independent which is exactly what I am talking about. Going Independent has nothing to do with NIL money that a school can pry from rich alumni.

Media deal? Sure. Those are small potatoes compared to what you're talking about here and being fully independent. I don't know why you think NIL of all things have nothing to do with it though. That seems WAY off. It's all part of it. Of that list above on who all could go completely independent, I don't think ND or OSU belong. They'd be the first to go IMO. USC and Michigan produce significantly more money and I am just guessing here, but am willing to say that the Texas schools have several billionaires of industry willing to prop them up.

What the hell are you talking about? ND has been independent forever well before NIL.

It's one thing to have an "independent" football team. It's a completely different thing to have an entire athletic department independent.

 

[bigbottom]

Horrible rankings

Top ten looks pretty good to me. After that there’s a fair amount to criticize. But my view is that many/most of those issues may become moot over the next couple weeks.

oregon and ND have no business being over bama. they have no good wins. and easy as hell schedules.

29th SOC for ND- FYI

Alabama is 4th in SOS.

 

[Chadstroma]

Media rights and broadcasting is the biggest slice of pie for schools and the biggest part of whether a school could be independent or not. Most schools do not have the secure a media deal that would be better than what their conference can secure and get money as part of that pool.

The biggest media deal is the Big Ten and the schools get about $61-63 million a year from it. I think their deal comes from the fact that the biggest (Ohio St) and some of the biggest fanbases in the country. Fanbase = ratings = media deal. The SEC is about $54 million. ND gets $50 million from NBC for it's football deal and then another $17 million a year from ACC for all of it's other sports.

Schools get their money from

• Media
• Game Day Revenue
• Sponsorship/licensing
• Post season Payouts
• Donations Booster support

The first four of those is directly related to fanbase with the last being more about how rich and how committed the fanbase is. Ivy League schools certainly have more monied alumni but not very committed to making Harvard a NIL powerhouse. The top school for NIL donations is Texas with $22 million. Then Georgia, Texas A&M, Alabama, Ohio St and Oregon with Oregon at about $15-16 million.

Fanbase numbers from 2022 per Sports Illustrated from a consultant study which looks pretty close to what I remember:

1. Ohio State — 11.26 million

2. Notre Dame — 8.21 million

3. Texas — 7.82 million

4. Penn State — 6.36 million

5. Michigan — 6.26 million

6. Florida — 5.89 million

7. Oregon — 5.45 million

8. Alabama — 5.34 million

9. Wisconsin — 4.57 million

10. USC — 4.46 million

11. LSU — 4.02 million

12. Georgia — 3.99 million

13. Texas A&M — 3.87 million

14. Stanford — 3.45 million

15. Auburn — 3.27 million

16. Tennessee — 3.27 million

(Disclaimer- to not burn a lot of time on this, I did rely on AI to get numbers and did not spend time trying to verify the info so it could be off because.... AI)

 

[bigbottom]

I’m still shuked by Utah.

 

[Chadstroma]

The size of the fan bases and their sheer number are largely second fiddle to the pockets and their depth and willingness to dip into them.

Not all bases are created equally. I'll take a smaller in number with significantly more wealth base over a huge base full of average joes

Fanbase does have to do with if and what kind of media deals that they could get as an Independent which is exactly what I am talking about. Going Independent has nothing to do with NIL money that a school can pry from rich alumni.

Media deal? Sure. Those are small potatoes compared to what you're talking about here and being fully independent. I don't know why you think NIL of all things have nothing to do with it though. That seems WAY off. It's all part of it. Of that list above on who all could go completely independent, I don't think ND or OSU belong. They'd be the first to go IMO. USC and Michigan produce significantly more money and I am just guessing here, but am willing to say that the Texas schools have several billionaires of industry willing to prop them up.

What the hell are you talking about? ND has been independent forever well before NIL.

It's one thing to have an "independent" football team. It's a completely different thing to have an entire athletic department independent.

Uh..... ok.

 

[crushedspirit]

Horrible rankings

Top ten looks pretty good to me. After that there’s a fair amount to criticize. But my view is that many/most of those issues may become moot over the next couple weeks.

oregon and ND have no business being over bama. they have no good wins. and easy as hell schedules.

29th SOC for ND- FYI

Alabama is 4th in SOS.

Yup, so they weighed the one loss higher than the wins vs 4 ranked in a row, including beating the current #4 Georgia on the road no less.

Committee chair did say they would weigh the SOS more this year...........

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Horrible rankings

Top ten looks pretty good to me. After that there’s a fair amount to criticize. But my view is that many/most of those issues may become moot over the next couple weeks.

oregon and ND have no business being over bama. they have no good wins. and easy as hell schedules.

They don't have a loss to Florida State either. Committee made it clear when comparing ND to Miami that bad losses count more than head to head or good wins. I don't agree with it.

They also said Oregon gets credit for beating a top 5 Penn State team. But Georgia Tech is not getting credit for beating a top 10 Clemson and Miami isn't getting credit for beating ranked FSU and Florida when those games were played. This committee is as bad and inconsistent as any NCAA committee.

Good news for Alabama though is they can move up with a tough win against Eastern Illinois this weekend.

 

[Chadstroma]

Horrible rankings

Top ten looks pretty good to me. After that there’s a fair amount to criticize. But my view is that many/most of those issues may become moot over the next couple weeks.

oregon and ND have no business being over bama. they have no good wins. and easy as hell schedules.

They don't have a loss to Florida State either. Committee made it clear when comparing ND to Miami that bad losses count more than head to head or good wins. I don't agree with it.

They also said Oregon gets credit for beating a top 5 Penn State team. But Georgia Tech is not getting credit for beating a top 10 Clemson and Miami isn't getting credit for beating ranked FSU and Florida when those games were played. This committee is as bad and inconsistent as any NCAA committee.

Good news for Alabama though is they can move up with a tough win against Eastern Illinois this weekend.

Getting credit for beating a team that people thought was good but wasn't is just dumb.

Georgia Tech's best win is against a bad 4-4 Clemson team and has the 89th SOS. I realize that you are a fan but Georgia Tech is ranked right about where they should be.

If they beat Georgia (not going to happen) then we can talk.

 

[need2know]

Horrible rankings

Top ten looks pretty good to me. After that there’s a fair amount to criticize. But my view is that many/most of those issues may become moot over the next couple weeks.

oregon and ND have no business being over bama. they have no good wins. and easy as hell schedules.

They don't have a loss to Florida State either. Committee made it clear when comparing ND to Miami that bad losses count more than head to head or good wins. I don't agree with it.

They also said Oregon gets credit for beating a top 5 Penn State team. But Georgia Tech is not getting credit for beating a top 10 Clemson and Miami isn't getting credit for beating ranked FSU and Florida when those games were played. This committee is as bad and inconsistent as any NCAA committee.

Good news for Alabama though is they can move up with a tough win against Eastern Illinois this weekend.

penn state is not a top 5 team though. they fired their damn coach. its not what they were its where they are today. i just wish biased humans were not a part of the process and we had a firm criteria to go off of. for the record i dont think bama can beat both auburn and texas AM

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Horrible rankings

Top ten looks pretty good to me. After that there’s a fair amount to criticize. But my view is that many/most of those issues may become moot over the next couple weeks.

oregon and ND have no business being over bama. they have no good wins. and easy as hell schedules.

They don't have a loss to Florida State either. Committee made it clear when comparing ND to Miami that bad losses count more than head to head or good wins. I don't agree with it.

They also said Oregon gets credit for beating a top 5 Penn State team. But Georgia Tech is not getting credit for beating a top 10 Clemson and Miami isn't getting credit for beating ranked FSU and Florida when those games were played. This committee is as bad and inconsistent as any NCAA committee.

Good news for Alabama though is they can move up with a tough win against Eastern Illinois this weekend.

Getting credit for beating a team that people thought was good but wasn't is just dumb.

Georgia Tech's best win is against a bad 4-4 Clemson team and has the 89th SOS. I realize that you are a fan but Georgia Tech is ranked right about where they should be.

If they beat Georgia (not going to happen) then we can talk.

I didn't argue GT's ranking at all. I'm saying if the dummy that leads the committee is going to say Oregon gets credit for the Penn State win, then GT should be getting credit for the Clemson win and be ranked a few spots higher.

I'm not even arguing Oregon's ranking. The dummy had no need to even divulge that information.

 

[General Malaise]

The size of the fan bases and their sheer number are largely second fiddle to the pockets and their depth and willingness to dip into them.

Not all bases are created equally. I'll take a smaller in number with significantly more wealth base over a huge base full of average joes

Fanbase does have to do with if and what kind of media deals that they could get as an Independent which is exactly what I am talking about. Going Independent has nothing to do with NIL money that a school can pry from rich alumni.

Media deal? Sure. Those are small potatoes compared to what you're talking about here and being fully independent. I don't know why you think NIL of all things have nothing to do with it though. That seems WAY off. It's all part of it. Of that list above on who all could go completely independent, I don't think ND or OSU belong. They'd be the first to go IMO. USC and Michigan produce significantly more money and I am just guessing here, but am willing to say that the Texas schools have several billionaires of industry willing to prop them up.

What the hell are you talking about? ND has been independent forever well before NIL.

It's one thing to have an "independent" football team. It's a completely different thing to have an entire athletic department independent.

I'm gonna need either you or Schmeabs to get a new avatar. This is too confusing.

 

[Chadstroma]

Horrible rankings

Top ten looks pretty good to me. After that there’s a fair amount to criticize. But my view is that many/most of those issues may become moot over the next couple weeks.

oregon and ND have no business being over bama. they have no good wins. and easy as hell schedules.

They don't have a loss to Florida State either. Committee made it clear when comparing ND to Miami that bad losses count more than head to head or good wins. I don't agree with it.

They also said Oregon gets credit for beating a top 5 Penn State team. But Georgia Tech is not getting credit for beating a top 10 Clemson and Miami isn't getting credit for beating ranked FSU and Florida when those games were played. This committee is as bad and inconsistent as any NCAA committee.

Good news for Alabama though is they can move up with a tough win against Eastern Illinois this weekend.

Getting credit for beating a team that people thought was good but wasn't is just dumb.

Georgia Tech's best win is against a bad 4-4 Clemson team and has the 89th SOS. I realize that you are a fan but Georgia Tech is ranked right about where they should be.

If they beat Georgia (not going to happen) then we can talk.

I didn't argue GT's ranking at all. I'm saying if the dummy that leads the committee is going to say Oregon gets credit for the Penn State win, then GT should be getting credit for the Clemson win and be ranked a few spots higher.

I'm not even arguing Oregon's ranking. The dummy had no need to even divulge that information.

Fair. I think it is universally recognized that it doesn't matter what you think the team is but what they show you. This hurts ND woth Miami dropping two games against not great teams. Penn St is not a good team this year. A talented team, yes. Good? No. You can't be a good team with a 4-6 record. There should be zero credit for beating Penn St this year.

 

[General Malaise]

I don't have a problem with anybody crapping all over Oregon's schedule. They control their own destiny and can write their own narrative from here on out. I don't think this Oregon team is as good as Ohio State, Indiana or Georgia. I think they could give everybody else a game, including Alabama. But we'll see on Saturday if that confidence is misplaced or not. This is a big big big game.

 

[bigbottom]

I don't have a problem with anybody crapping all over Oregon's schedule. They control their own destiny and can write their own narrative from here on out. I don't think this Oregon team is as good as Ohio State, Indiana or Georgia. I think they could give everybody else a game, including Alabama. But we'll see on Saturday if that confidence is misplaced or not. This is a big big big game.

I think the line opened at 7.5 and moved all the way to 10.5.

 

[Osaurus]

NC State, Virginia football set to play ACC game in Brazil during 2026 season​

Why?

They love football there

 

[Schmeabs]

I don't have a problem with anybody crapping all over Oregon's schedule. They control their own destiny and can write their own narrative from here on out. I don't think this Oregon team is as good as Ohio State, Indiana or Georgia. I think they could give everybody else a game, including Alabama. But we'll see on Saturday if that confidence is misplaced or not. This is a big big big game.

Oregon should get credit for beating Penn State in a white out. Penn State suffered multiple injuries during and right after that game and are not the same team now.

Oregon should jump Ole Miss if they win out and jump to number 6. However, part of me would love to see them host Alabama in the first round. Vegas posted a hypothetical line of Oregon favored by 4.5 against Alabama. Sounds like Vegas agrees Oregon is better than Alabama. I think Big 10 is clearly the better conference this year. SEC teams getting too much love like always.

 

[bigbottom]

I don't have a problem with anybody crapping all over Oregon's schedule. They control their own destiny and can write their own narrative from here on out. I don't think this Oregon team is as good as Ohio State, Indiana or Georgia. I think they could give everybody else a game, including Alabama. But we'll see on Saturday if that confidence is misplaced or not. This is a big big big game.

Oregon should get credit for beating Penn State in a white out. Penn State suffered multiple injuries during and right after that game and are not the same team now.

Oregon should jump Ole Miss if they win out and jump to number 6. However, part of me would love to see them host Alabama in the first round. Vegas posted a hypothetical line of Oregon favored by 4.5 against Alabama. Sounds like Vegas agrees Oregon is better than Alabama. I think Big 10 is clearly the better conference this year. SEC teams getting too much love like always.

What do you mean by the bolded?

 

[Schmeabs]

I don't have a problem with anybody crapping all over Oregon's schedule. They control their own destiny and can write their own narrative from here on out. I don't think this Oregon team is as good as Ohio State, Indiana or Georgia. I think they could give everybody else a game, including Alabama. But we'll see on Saturday if that confidence is misplaced or not. This is a big big big game.

Oregon should get credit for beating Penn State in a white out. Penn State suffered multiple injuries during and right after that game and are not the same team now.

Oregon should jump Ole Miss if they win out and jump to number 6. However, part of me would love to see them host Alabama in the first round. Vegas posted a hypothetical line of Oregon favored by 4.5 against Alabama. Sounds like Vegas agrees Oregon is better than Alabama. I think Big 10 is clearly the better conference this year. SEC teams getting too much love like always.

What do you mean by the bolded?

Night game at Penn State very tough environment

 

[bigbottom]

I don't have a problem with anybody crapping all over Oregon's schedule. They control their own destiny and can write their own narrative from here on out. I don't think this Oregon team is as good as Ohio State, Indiana or Georgia. I think they could give everybody else a game, including Alabama. But we'll see on Saturday if that confidence is misplaced or not. This is a big big big game.

Oregon should get credit for beating Penn State in a white out. Penn State suffered multiple injuries during and right after that game and are not the same team now.

Oregon should jump Ole Miss if they win out and jump to number 6. However, part of me would love to see them host Alabama in the first round. Vegas posted a hypothetical line of Oregon favored by 4.5 against Alabama. Sounds like Vegas agrees Oregon is better than Alabama. I think Big 10 is clearly the better conference this year. SEC teams getting too much love like always.

What do you mean by the bolded?

Night game at Penn State very tough environment

Okay, I can understand giving extra credit to wins on the road, but not to time of day or the color of the uniforms and what fans are wearing in the stands. I don’t think USC should get extra credit for beating Nebraska in a blackout. And Oregon this Saturday will be a blackout as well. I don’t think that merits extra credit either if by some miracle USC pulls off the upset.

 

[Chadstroma]

SIMULATED BCS rankings are pretty close to what the committee has... including ND at 9

 

[Chadstroma]

I don't have a problem with anybody crapping all over Oregon's schedule. They control their own destiny and can write their own narrative from here on out. I don't think this Oregon team is as good as Ohio State, Indiana or Georgia. I think they could give everybody else a game, including Alabama. But we'll see on Saturday if that confidence is misplaced or not. This is a big big big game.

Oregon should get credit for beating Penn State in a white out. Penn State suffered multiple injuries during and right after that game and are not the same team now.

Oregon should jump Ole Miss if they win out and jump to number 6. However, part of me would love to see them host Alabama in the first round. Vegas posted a hypothetical line of Oregon favored by 4.5 against Alabama. Sounds like Vegas agrees Oregon is better than Alabama. I think Big 10 is clearly the better conference this year. SEC teams getting too much love like always.

What do you mean by the bolded?

Night game at Penn State very tough environment

Okay, I can understand giving extra credit to wins on the road, but not to time of day or the color of the uniforms and what fans are wearing in the stands. I don’t think USC should get extra credit for beating Nebraska in a blackout. And Oregon this Saturday will be a blackout as well. I don’t think that merits extra credit either if by some miracle USC pulls off the upset.

Such a bad avatar

 

[General Malaise]

I don't have a problem with anybody crapping all over Oregon's schedule. They control their own destiny and can write their own narrative from here on out. I don't think this Oregon team is as good as Ohio State, Indiana or Georgia. I think they could give everybody else a game, including Alabama. But we'll see on Saturday if that confidence is misplaced or not. This is a big big big game.

Oregon should get credit for beating Penn State in a white out. Penn State suffered multiple injuries during and right after that game and are not the same team now.

Oregon should jump Ole Miss if they win out and jump to number 6. However, part of me would love to see them host Alabama in the first round. Vegas posted a hypothetical line of Oregon favored by 4.5 against Alabama. Sounds like Vegas agrees Oregon is better than Alabama. I think Big 10 is clearly the better conference this year. SEC teams getting too much love like always.

Sure, I give Oregon credit for that win, but I'm biased. I am trying to remove the bias and see how others view the Ducks' schedule in its entirety and to be fair, it's not great. It's not their fault, but it doesn't take away the fact that it has been - to date - pretty soft.

Now, the Duck fan in me agrees with you. That was a different Penn State team at the time than they are now. I think Oregon derailed that team's season to some extent. Just set them on full tilt if you will. And Indiana could have done that to Oregon, but the Ducks got up off the mat and handled their business. Credit where credit is due. Tough win on the road at Iowa in brutal conditions, blew out Rutgers and Minnesota and beat Wisconsin by 14 in conditions that were, again, dreadful.

I would LOVE to see Alabama play a meaningful game in the far corner of the US where they've never been before. I think Oregon would win that game. I'd be less certain about them hosting Notre Dame due to their run game. Bama's is rather lackluster and the Ducks' have a very good pass defense.

 

[Chadstroma]

The size of the fan bases and their sheer number are largely second fiddle to the pockets and their depth and willingness to dip into them.

Not all bases are created equally. I'll take a smaller in number with significantly more wealth base over a huge base full of average joes

Fanbase does have to do with if and what kind of media deals that they could get as an Independent which is exactly what I am talking about. Going Independent has nothing to do with NIL money that a school can pry from rich alumni.

Media deal? Sure. Those are small potatoes compared to what you're talking about here and being fully independent. I don't know why you think NIL of all things have nothing to do with it though. That seems WAY off. It's all part of it. Of that list above on who all could go completely independent, I don't think ND or OSU belong. They'd be the first to go IMO. USC and Michigan produce significantly more money and I am just guessing here, but am willing to say that the Texas schools have several billionaires of industry willing to prop them up.

What the hell are you talking about? ND has been independent forever well before NIL.

It's one thing to have an "independent" football team. It's a completely different thing to have an entire athletic department independent.

I'm gonna need either you or Schmeabs to get a new avatar. This is too confusing.

Bigbottom has an awesome one that he is no longer using

 

[Sparky Polastri]

The size of the fan bases and their sheer number are largely second fiddle to the pockets and their depth and willingness to dip into them.

Not all bases are created equally. I'll take a smaller in number with significantly more wealth base over a huge base full of average joes

Fanbase does have to do with if and what kind of media deals that they could get as an Independent which is exactly what I am talking about. Going Independent has nothing to do with NIL money that a school can pry from rich alumni.

Media deal? Sure. Those are small potatoes compared to what you're talking about here and being fully independent. I don't know why you think NIL of all things have nothing to do with it though. That seems WAY off. It's all part of it. Of that list above on who all could go completely independent, I don't think ND or OSU belong. They'd be the first to go IMO. USC and Michigan produce significantly more money and I am just guessing here, but am willing to say that the Texas schools have several billionaires of industry willing to prop them up.

What the hell are you talking about? ND has been independent forever well before NIL.

It's one thing to have an "independent" football team. It's a completely different thing to have an entire athletic department independent.

I'm gonna need either you or Schmeabs to get a new avatar. This is too confusing.

Joe and company took my avatar away for some reason. Maybe talk to shuke? That's the thing here right?

 

[Sparky Polastri]

Horrible rankings

Top ten looks pretty good to me. After that there’s a fair amount to criticize. But my view is that many/most of those issues may become moot over the next couple weeks.

oregon and ND have no business being over bama. they have no good wins. and easy as hell schedules.

They don't have a loss to Florida State either. Committee made it clear when comparing ND to Miami that bad losses count more than head to head or good wins. I don't agree with it.

They also said Oregon gets credit for beating a top 5 Penn State team. But Georgia Tech is not getting credit for beating a top 10 Clemson and Miami isn't getting credit for beating ranked FSU and Florida when those games were played. This committee is as bad and inconsistent as any NCAA committee.

Good news for Alabama though is they can move up with a tough win against Eastern Illinois this weekend.

Getting credit for beating a team that people thought was good but wasn't is just dumb.

Georgia Tech's best win is against a bad 4-4 Clemson team and has the 89th SOS. I realize that you are a fan but Georgia Tech is ranked right about where they should be.

If they beat Georgia (not going to happen) then we can talk.

I didn't argue GT's ranking at all. I'm saying if the dummy that leads the committee is going to say Oregon gets credit for the Penn State win, then GT should be getting credit for the Clemson win and be ranked a few spots higher.

I'm not even arguing Oregon's ranking. The dummy had no need to even divulge that information.

The "quality" of win/loss is defined in the moment the game was played. If the teams turn out to be better/worse later, that has zero impact on the quality of team when the game was played. My observations show me that they are absolutely TERRIBLE at keeping that in mind. Its all a way to justify what they want to see it seems, not what has been earned/accomplished. My

 

[Chadstroma]

Horrible rankings

Top ten looks pretty good to me. After that there’s a fair amount to criticize. But my view is that many/most of those issues may become moot over the next couple weeks.

oregon and ND have no business being over bama. they have no good wins. and easy as hell schedules.

They don't have a loss to Florida State either. Committee made it clear when comparing ND to Miami that bad losses count more than head to head or good wins. I don't agree with it.

They also said Oregon gets credit for beating a top 5 Penn State team. But Georgia Tech is not getting credit for beating a top 10 Clemson and Miami isn't getting credit for beating ranked FSU and Florida when those games were played. This committee is as bad and inconsistent as any NCAA committee.

Good news for Alabama though is they can move up with a tough win against Eastern Illinois this weekend.

Getting credit for beating a team that people thought was good but wasn't is just dumb.

Georgia Tech's best win is against a bad 4-4 Clemson team and has the 89th SOS. I realize that you are a fan but Georgia Tech is ranked right about where they should be.

If they beat Georgia (not going to happen) then we can talk.

I didn't argue GT's ranking at all. I'm saying if the dummy that leads the committee is going to say Oregon gets credit for the Penn State win, then GT should be getting credit for the Clemson win and be ranked a few spots higher.

I'm not even arguing Oregon's ranking. The dummy had no need to even divulge that information.

The "quality" of win/loss is defined in the moment the game was played. If the teams turn out to be better/worse later, that has zero impact on the quality of team when the game was played. My observations show me that they are absolutely TERRIBLE at keeping that in mind. Its all a way to justify what they want to see it seems, not what has been earned/accomplished. My

If that is true then everyone is taking a wild guess if who is a good team and who is not in week 1. A team (teama a) that is expected to be good but it shown to not be a good team then that is a good win for team b but then another team (team c) plays that same team later in the season but it is not a good win. Same team equals a good win for team a against b but not a good win for team c? That is nonsensical.

 

[Sparky Polastri]

Horrible rankings

Top ten looks pretty good to me. After that there’s a fair amount to criticize. But my view is that many/most of those issues may become moot over the next couple weeks.

oregon and ND have no business being over bama. they have no good wins. and easy as hell schedules.

They don't have a loss to Florida State either. Committee made it clear when comparing ND to Miami that bad losses count more than head to head or good wins. I don't agree with it.

They also said Oregon gets credit for beating a top 5 Penn State team. But Georgia Tech is not getting credit for beating a top 10 Clemson and Miami isn't getting credit for beating ranked FSU and Florida when those games were played. This committee is as bad and inconsistent as any NCAA committee.

Good news for Alabama though is they can move up with a tough win against Eastern Illinois this weekend.

Getting credit for beating a team that people thought was good but wasn't is just dumb.

Georgia Tech's best win is against a bad 4-4 Clemson team and has the 89th SOS. I realize that you are a fan but Georgia Tech is ranked right about where they should be.

If they beat Georgia (not going to happen) then we can talk.

I didn't argue GT's ranking at all. I'm saying if the dummy that leads the committee is going to say Oregon gets credit for the Penn State win, then GT should be getting credit for the Clemson win and be ranked a few spots higher.

I'm not even arguing Oregon's ranking. The dummy had no need to even divulge that information.

The "quality" of win/loss is defined in the moment the game was played. If the teams turn out to be better/worse later, that has zero impact on the quality of team when the game was played. My observations show me that they are absolutely TERRIBLE at keeping that in mind. Its all a way to justify what they want to see it seems, not what has been earned/accomplished. My

If that is true then everyone is taking a wild guess if who is a good team and who is not in week 1. A team (teama a) that is expected to be good but it shown to not be a good team then that is a good win for team b but then another team (team c) plays that same team later in the season but it is not a good win. Same team equals a good win for team a against b but not a good win for team c? That is nonsensical.

What's nonsensical is having any sort of rankings you think you can rely on for anything meaningful in week 1. THAT is what is nonsensical. WIth all the turnover in CFB and the new processes it is becoming less and less knowable that early in the season to who's going to be good. Look at this year's "rankings" from as evidence. Objectivity is hard. Subjectivity is much easier.

 

[Chadstroma]

Horrible rankings

Top ten looks pretty good to me. After that there’s a fair amount to criticize. But my view is that many/most of those issues may become moot over the next couple weeks.

oregon and ND have no business being over bama. they have no good wins. and easy as hell schedules.

They don't have a loss to Florida State either. Committee made it clear when comparing ND to Miami that bad losses count more than head to head or good wins. I don't agree with it.

They also said Oregon gets credit for beating a top 5 Penn State team. But Georgia Tech is not getting credit for beating a top 10 Clemson and Miami isn't getting credit for beating ranked FSU and Florida when those games were played. This committee is as bad and inconsistent as any NCAA committee.

Good news for Alabama though is they can move up with a tough win against Eastern Illinois this weekend.

Getting credit for beating a team that people thought was good but wasn't is just dumb.

Georgia Tech's best win is against a bad 4-4 Clemson team and has the 89th SOS. I realize that you are a fan but Georgia Tech is ranked right about where they should be.

If they beat Georgia (not going to happen) then we can talk.

I didn't argue GT's ranking at all. I'm saying if the dummy that leads the committee is going to say Oregon gets credit for the Penn State win, then GT should be getting credit for the Clemson win and be ranked a few spots higher.

I'm not even arguing Oregon's ranking. The dummy had no need to even divulge that information.

The "quality" of win/loss is defined in the moment the game was played. If the teams turn out to be better/worse later, that has zero impact on the quality of team when the game was played. My observations show me that they are absolutely TERRIBLE at keeping that in mind. Its all a way to justify what they want to see it seems, not what has been earned/accomplished. My

If that is true then everyone is taking a wild guess if who is a good team and who is not in week 1. A team (teama a) that is expected to be good but it shown to not be a good team then that is a good win for team b but then another team (team c) plays that same team later in the season but it is not a good win. Same team equals a good win for team a against b but not a good win for team c? That is nonsensical.

What's nonsensical is having any sort of rankings you think you can rely on for anything meaningful in week 1. THAT is what is nonsensical. WIth all the turnover in CFB and the new processes it is becoming less and less knowable that early in the season to who's going to be good. Look at this year's "rankings" from as evidence. Objectivity is hard. Subjectivity is much easier.

So then there is no such thing as a good win in week 1 or 2? Your position was that a good win if defined as when you play the team... bow you say there shouldn't be any rankings.... there doesn't seem to be any consistency in your positions.

 

[Instinctive]

Horrible rankings

Top ten looks pretty good to me. After that there’s a fair amount to criticize. But my view is that many/most of those issues may become moot over the next couple weeks.

oregon and ND have no business being over bama. they have no good wins. and easy as hell schedules.

They don't have a loss to Florida State either. Committee made it clear when comparing ND to Miami that bad losses count more than head to head or good wins. I don't agree with it.

They also said Oregon gets credit for beating a top 5 Penn State team. But Georgia Tech is not getting credit for beating a top 10 Clemson and Miami isn't getting credit for beating ranked FSU and Florida when those games were played. This committee is as bad and inconsistent as any NCAA committee.

Good news for Alabama though is they can move up with a tough win against Eastern Illinois this weekend.

penn state is not a top 5 team though. they fired their damn coach. its not what they were its where they are today. i just wish biased humans were not a part of the process and we had a firm criteria to go off of. for the record i dont think bama can beat both auburn and texas AM

Maybe we could get a computer formula, or even some competing computer formulas that we trust to do it right.

 

[Instinctive]

Also, I have the POV that matters - rankings are dumb. Standings are good. We're heading towards standings that mirror the NFL style of scheduling. It's just bumpy to get there.

 

[Chadstroma]

Horrible rankings

Top ten looks pretty good to me. After that there’s a fair amount to criticize. But my view is that many/most of those issues may become moot over the next couple weeks.

oregon and ND have no business being over bama. they have no good wins. and easy as hell schedules.

They don't have a loss to Florida State either. Committee made it clear when comparing ND to Miami that bad losses count more than head to head or good wins. I don't agree with it.

They also said Oregon gets credit for beating a top 5 Penn State team. But Georgia Tech is not getting credit for beating a top 10 Clemson and Miami isn't getting credit for beating ranked FSU and Florida when those games were played. This committee is as bad and inconsistent as any NCAA committee.

Good news for Alabama though is they can move up with a tough win against Eastern Illinois this weekend.

penn state is not a top 5 team though. they fired their damn coach. its not what they were its where they are today. i just wish biased humans were not a part of the process and we had a firm criteria to go off of. for the record i dont think bama can beat both auburn and texas AM

Maybe we could get a computer formula, or even some competing computer formulas that we trust to do it right.

Everyone hated the BCS computers more than anything.

I remember when people were saying we needed to expand the playoffs and then that would fix everything. I waa telling them unless you expanded it to every school there would still be people upset. How many teams get into March Madness and there is STILL upset people talking about teams being robbed.