bigbottom
Footballguy
Those three are in the top six of most preseason polls with Texas and PSU generally occupying 1 and 2/3 respectively, so this is about the polar opposite of a hot take.
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Those three are in the top six of most preseason polls with Texas and PSU generally occupying 1 and 2/3 respectively, so this is about the polar opposite of a hot take.
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
Guess I'm missing something then. I get Texas. The others not so much.
Maybe I'm falling for the B1G/SEC hype.
PSU and Clemson have older veteran teams, which seems to be the model for the last couple of champions like OSU and Michigan. The usual suspects like Georgia, OSU, and Alabama will still be in the mix as they still have more talent than those teams. Notre Dame also seems to be flying under the radar a little more than I would expect. Really, though, I think most consider the top 8-9 to be pretty bunched up and their positions could be shuffled in most any order, then there is a drop off.
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
PSU has a pretty good QB in Drew Allar. A senior with top 10 NFL draft potential in an already stacked QB class. They always have a stout D, a great 1-2 punch at RB, and one of the top ranked O lines in the country.
The week two game with oSU will set the tone for Texas. Can't wait for that one.
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bigbottom
Footballguy
Penn State was in the playoffs last year losing a close semifinal game to Notre Dame, and they are returning most of their talent.
Instinctive
Footballguy
OU is overranked. That is all.
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
Big blue coming to town week 2. That'll be a fun. Looking forward to that one.
Instinctive
Footballguy
I'll be there. Hope it has somewhat close to the level of excitement of the new SEC games last year. It was a level up even from a typical OU Big XII environment, which was already exceedingly electric.
ETA: anyone coming down should DM me to swing by our tailgate or vice versa
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The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
Awesome. I hope it's a blast and a great game!
bigbottom
Footballguy
Wow, hadn’t seen this before. Very interesting!
General Malaise
Footballguy
I caught Dabo on the Jim Rome show this week and he was really bullish on his team talking at length about his QB Cade Klubnick and his growth and development. Now that Dabo has agreed to loosen up on some of his weird, hardline stances and use things like the Transfer Portal and paying players, I don't see any reason why Clemson can't compete for another championship. He's won two already and the only other coach that can say that right now is Kirby Smart, so....you give Dabo a loaded roster, an elite QB and some time to develop his depth and I won't be betting against them very much this year.
General Malaise
Footballguy
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Aug 23rd, KState and Iowa State in Dublin. Not too shabby!
LET'S GO!
Aug 23rd, KState and Iowa State in Dublin. Not too shabby!
LET'S GO!
Desert_Power
Footballguy
They've got a big clash early against LSU but should be heavy favorites against their entire ACC slate. Klubnick will probably have a strong Heisman campaign.
Don't know if they will really be good enough reach the final but they should steamroll their schedule.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Dabo made a pretty large point about this being their first home opener since 2019 and begging his AD to get him a home game to open the season, so while this is a HUGE match-up, I think hosting it at home vs on the road or a neutral site is a big advantage for Clemson. Well, maybe not BIG but that crowd should be juiced.
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
NCAA to announce findings, punishments in Michigan football sign-stealing scandal Friday
On Friday, the NCAA will announce its findings and punishments from its investigation into Michigan football's alleged sign-stealing operation
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Chadstroma
Footballguy
Yea but there hasn't been a new ND commit in a like a week.
Beef Ravioli Part 2
Footballguy
What do you think @The Longtime Lurker? Does UM get the hammer or is it a minimal punishment?NCAA to announce findings, punishments in Michigan football sign-stealing scandal Friday
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The Longtime Lurker
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My guess is some fines and maybe one more game for Moore on top of the self imposed suspension. I really don't think there's gonna be any kind of hammer. I'm just glad to see this wrap up today.What do you think @The Longtime Lurker? Does UM get the hammer or is it a minimal punishment?NCAA to announce findings, punishments in Michigan football sign-stealing scandal Friday
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Sparky Polastri
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That would be as big of a let down as the NCSU fans being let down by the UNC basketball scandal. I was like 14/15 at the time, but remember all the talk about how the NCAA was going to ruin UNC. There were high expectations just like with this one. I envision New Egg getting a rush on replacement F5 keys in the next few daysMy guess is some fines and maybe one more game for Moore on top of the self imposed suspension. I really don't think there's gonna be any kind of hammer. I'm just glad to see this wrap up today.What do you think @The Longtime Lurker? Does UM get the hammer or is it a minimal punishment?NCAA to announce findings, punishments in Michigan football sign-stealing scandal Friday
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and depending on outcome, Thamel might need a therapist.
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
Edit. the execution was early .That would be as big of a let down as the NCSU fans being let down by the UNC basketball scandal. I was like 14/15 at the time, but remember all the talk about how the NCAA was going to ruin UNC. There were high expectations just like with this one. I envision New Egg getting a rush on replacement F5 keys in the next few daysMy guess is some fines and maybe one more game for Moore on top of the self imposed suspension. I really don't think there's gonna be any kind of hammer. I'm just glad to see this wrap up today.What do you think @The Longtime Lurker? Does UM get the hammer or is it a minimal punishment?NCAA to announce findings, punishments in Michigan football sign-stealing scandal Friday
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NCAA fines Michigan football, bans Sherrone Moore a third game for sign stealing scandal
The NCAA sanctioned the Wolverines with a $20-million fine and an additional one-game suspension for Sherrone Moore for the sign stealing scandal.
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Footballguy
Anyway........ PLAY BALL!!
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BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Why did Michigan fight this?
Every school would sign up for this given the results
Every school would sign up for this given the results
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Small price to pay.Every school would sign up for this given the results
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
Michigan has a little scratch so really this is about as nothing as nothing gets.
What a fun time this has been these last couple years. Glad we can all let bygones be bygones and get back to real talk.
What a fun time this has been these last couple years. Glad we can all let bygones be bygones and get back to real talk.
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
whomp, whomp, whomp, whomp
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
There is a documentary out there. I haven't seen it to speak to its quality though.I want to see a Conor Stalions movie. Him dressed up like a CMU assistant, on the CMU sideline and peaking around a group to record with his smart glasses is one of the funniest/craziest things I've seen in college football.
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BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
ExactlySmall price to pay.Every school would sign up for this given the results
Beef Ravioli Part 2
Footballguy
You nailed it! I was expecting a little more than they received but not a death penalty that some were calling for.My guess is some fines and maybe one more game for Moore on top of the self imposed suspension. I really don't think there's gonna be any kind of hammer. I'm just glad to see this wrap up today.What do you think @The Longtime Lurker? Does UM get the hammer or is it a minimal punishment?NCAA to announce findings, punishments in Michigan football sign-stealing scandal Friday
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WDIK2
Footballguy
I want to see a movie focused on Stalions. Don't care if it's a comedy/spoof with some of the actual shenanigans sprinkled in.There is a documentary out there. I haven't seen it to speak to its quality though.I want to see a Conor Stalions movie. Him dressed up like a CMU assistant, on the CMU sideline and peaking around a group to record with his smart glasses is one of the funniest/craziest things I've seen in college football.
RELEASE THE MANIFESTO!
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
THAT is actually a phenomenal idea. The dude has apparently been all over podcasts telling his story and his perspective. He firmly sits in a seat where what he does/did isn't unique and a common practice all over NCAA sports (not just football). I get that we have to consider the source and all that good stuff. However, if we look at the scale on this one where "Its just Michigan" is at one end and "Everyone does this" is the other end, where are we really putting the dot. And yes, the initial reactions to this whole "scandal" were very close to that "Its just Michigan" belief point.I want to see a movie focused on Stalions. Don't care if it's a comedy/spoof with some of the actual shenanigans sprinkled in.There is a documentary out there. I haven't seen it to speak to its quality though.I want to see a Conor Stalions movie. Him dressed up like a CMU assistant, on the CMU sideline and peaking around a group to record with his smart glasses is one of the funniest/craziest things I've seen in college football.
RELEASE THE MANIFESTO!
rockaction
Footballguy
I don’t know college football but I loathe when people who get caught cheating try to frame the debate as illegitimate with tu quoques and then use the feckless and powerless inability of the governing body overseeing the scandal as proof of a lack of malfeasance on the part of the offender.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
The odd and somewhat mitigating thing (for me) in this case - something I think most people on this board understand but very few in the larger social media world seem to grasp - is that stealing signs is not illegal in football. Its completely normal and expected. The thing Michigan did (if I recall correctly) is they attended games in person and used recording devices to film sidelines and steal the signs. So its perfectly acceptable and universal to watch film to steal signs, or to watch the sidelines in person but not film them, but its illegal if you sit in the stands and record the sidelines with your phone camera. To me that is a distinction without a material difference.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah. I’m not really interested in distinguishing or trying to analogize it. If it was illegal then it was illegal and probably for something other than a mere technicality, although I say that with a huge caveat because as dumb as the NFL is it’s not a stretch to say college football’s governing body isn’t twice as stupid or craven as the NFL. So it might make no sense.
My contention is the debate tactic more than anything. What we do is deny the infraction happened, then we say it’s no big deal, then when that fails we point fingers at other guilty parties, and then when a weak judicial arm doesn’t rule strongly we say, “See! Told you we didn’t do stuff wrong!”
It’s such a bad faith way to approach it. Drives me nuts .
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Wow..Michigan other than some cash lost that has no impact on them due to all the wealthy donors they have to be giddy about the slap on the wrists outcome.
Harbaugh wanted out of college years ago and is never going to return anyway so that means nothing. Moore gets one extra game on top of self imposed.
It just goes to show everything about all sports now is about the $$$$$. NCAA is now on board with just fines like the NFL.
Fine teams like getting a speeding ticket and move on.
Harbaugh wanted out of college years ago and is never going to return anyway so that means nothing. Moore gets one extra game on top of self imposed.
It just goes to show everything about all sports now is about the $$$$$. NCAA is now on board with just fines like the NFL.
Fine teams like getting a speeding ticket and move on.
coopersdad
Footballguy
guessing their cut on NC memorabilia paid off most of the fine.
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
Its "the thing" that a great many individuals working at these different institutions said occurred at their institutions. I personally had no idea that arbitrary rules like this existed, but can't say I am surprised. Did we ever get the evidence behind the allegations? I don't recall it ever coming out. I remember seeing a picture of who they thought was Stallions on the side line at a CMU game. I don't ever remember seeing the evidence used to support videoing sidelines and the like. There was supposed to be eye witness testimony and camera footage and all that good stuff. I don't remember seeing any of that.
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
Yeah, going after Michigan for a fine is basically doing nothing. Adding a week one suspension to Moore for next year's opener against Western in Germany no less seems pretty toothless aswell. Probation, who cares. And whatever happens to guys that aren't even here anymore i don't care either.
Meh, I'm happy, oSU people are probably unhappy. Feels like a win win and time to let this nonsense finally end.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I don't really know what Michigan's response was, other than firing some people, but I agree this was a common response we saw from fans on social media - deny, deflect, etc. But I would say that a light sentence, at least in some cases, is tacit acknowledgment that the infraction wasn't all that severe. That's kind of the point of having leeway in sentencing - that we may have a violation of the rules, but if it was a "technical" violation and in reality an "everyone's doing it" situation, that may explain the slap-on-the-wrist penalty. And this is admittedly pure speculation. I say this as a double Wisconsin grad who has "hated" Michigan my entire life - nothing but a thorn in my side when it comes to sports and dealing with Michigan grads in my professional life. They are the Harvard of the Midwest - not just in terms of quality of education but also in arrogance of their alumni. I still remember playing against Michigan in rugby in the Big Ten tournament decades ago. They showed up with a team of huge guys with huge beards who looked more like construction workers than students and we could only laugh because there were little to no controls over club sports but there's no way all those guys were undergrads at Michigan.
rockaction
Footballguy
I agree with you that the light sentence can certainly in some cases be indicative of a transgression being not as serious as alleged once all the facts are in but it strikes me that there are a lot of weak punishments and an absence of legitimacy in certain bodies’ authority. I think that a lot of times and “at scale” (buzzword) these days we are seeing more of a crisis of legitimacy in a whole metric ton of places. I think the NCAA is likely one of those bodies. They’re defanged.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Now that they can no longer punish kids for getting discount tattoos and shoes, or for changing their minds and moving to a different school, I guess all that's left is continuing to do a great job at protecting these young athletes from predatory deviants hiding in athletic departments, conducting through and open investigations when found, and severely punishing offenders when caught.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Of course OSU people aren’t happy. Years ago all the UM media alum clutched their pearls and portrayed the Buckeyes as a thoroughly corrupt program because some players traded autographs for tattoos. OSU received a 2 year postseason ban, their coach was banned, and a bunch of players got a in a bunch of trouble.
UM materially cheats at the actual game, lies during the investigation and destroys a bunch of evidence, and the NCAA not only drags their feet during the investigation but then essentially gives them a giant fine (that the boosters will just pay) and nothing else.
What I find hilarious is this reasoning from the NCAA:
The NCAA committee said in its report that although Michigan's violations would make a multiyear postseason ban appropriate, it aimed not to punish current Wolverines athletes based on its constitution.
"The panel determines that a postseason ban would unfairly penalize student-athletes for the actions of coaches and staff who are no longer associated with the Michigan football program," the committee wrote. "Thus, a more appropriate penalty is an offsetting financial penalty."
So they committed 6 tier 1 violations that warranted significant penalties but don’t want to penalize current players? The answer seems pretty easy to me: vacate their championship.
But no, the NCAA ran out the clock so that they could make excuses and slap them on the wrist rather than truly punish them.
/end rant
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I cant believe Michigan is appealing this. Why not just move on?
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I don't think the university or their fans care about your last sentence.
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
It's been a rough stretch for the other guys no doubt about that. Can't even enjoy the NC with all these thorns in their side.
Just over a week away and we can get back to games and game talk. Hammers and bans and yada yada are in the rear view mirror. Just having a little fun with this since there's not much else going on.
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
There's no additional penalty if the appeal is denied so no reason not to is my guess
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
Can confirm
