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2025 Detroit Lions: 0-0 HOF Game on tape, as DC said..."We got work to do" (34 Viewers)
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Stafford has caught a lot of flack for his record vs winning teams so does that mean we have to wait until the end of the season to see if yesterday's win over the Patriots counts toward that stat? Just trying to figure out how that stat works.
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kutta
Footballguy
Yes. The stat is - record against teams that ended the season with a winning record.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2018/09/24/full-days-work-pays-off-detroit-lions-offensive-line/1411140002/
Scroll down a bit and this breaks down player usage across the entire team.
Scroll down a bit and this breaks down player usage across the entire team.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I cannot watching a more fun Lions locker room postgame than last night's
https://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2018/09/watch_matt_patricias_locker_ro.html
https://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2018/09/watch_matt_patricias_locker_ro.html
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
GoBirds
Footballguy
Like Matt Pat a lot more after seeing that, sounds like a likable guy to play for. Big W good for him.
TartanLion
Footballguy
Very enjoyable post game locker room stuff. LOL at him wanting his hat back quickly to hide the bald spot.
Detroit pass D ranked No.1 in NFL through 3 weeks. If the front 7 continue to improve and get more used to various systems, the D could be on to something. I like how Patricia has been mixing more 4-3 in again which seems to suit our personnel more right now.
There were players that I literally did not even realise were on our roster, stepping up and making plays on Sunday night. Nice to see.
Detroit pass D ranked No.1 in NFL through 3 weeks. If the front 7 continue to improve and get more used to various systems, the D could be on to something. I like how Patricia has been mixing more 4-3 in again which seems to suit our personnel more right now.
There were players that I literally did not even realise were on our roster, stepping up and making plays on Sunday night. Nice to see.
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Not really flack...Lions just have never beat many teams with winning records since he has been here.
As Buffalo and the Lions proved this week The NFL is a difficult game to predict. Lions get smoked by the Jets with a QB making his first NFL start..then beat Tom Brady and the Pats 2 weeks later. Go figure.
Don` know much about Patricia but his pressers and interviews are so refreshing compared to Caldwells. Caldwell always answered questions like he was trying not to implicate himself in a murder case.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Kerryon is clearly the best all-around back the Lions have had in a long time, but mad props the big guys. Raganaw was awful a few weeks ago, the #1 pick is a quick learner. Those guys were phenomenal; 159 yards rushing and almost 40 time of possession was surreal to watch. Needs more than 28 snaps going forward.
Keep calm and Kerryon.
Keep calm and Kerryon.
TartanLion
Footballguy
So refreshing to see balance to the O. The line performing well and opening holes, time being eaten off the clock and Stafford navigating us to a win whilst being able to play within himself and not have to throw bombs all over the shop and leave it all out there. The pass pro has been very good as well. Think it was only one QB hit last night.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
PFF put the #1 pick on the Team of the Week (its like a weekly All Pro list)
Pretty sure he gave up 7 pressures/hurries first two weeks.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
PFF article on Ragnow
TIL he did not allow a single sack in 4 years of playing center at Arkansas - 1,242 pass attempts. Learning a new position this year and it is great to see his progress. Kerryon is def a talented back who can run through arm tackles, has enough speed to get to the edge, and is a good pass catcher. But the number one pick is the key to their success.
TIL he did not allow a single sack in 4 years of playing center at Arkansas - 1,242 pass attempts. Learning a new position this year and it is great to see his progress. Kerryon is def a talented back who can run through arm tackles, has enough speed to get to the edge, and is a good pass catcher. But the number one pick is the key to their success.
whoknew
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
And the next play.
That said, he is not a gets what they give him RB. He's got some wiggle and just powers through arm tackers. There was another play (outside left) where Van Noy had him lined up with Bentley a few yards right behind him. Kerryon was well behind the LOS and it was def gonna be a loss, play was contained. He made the sticks with ease. Guy may not have long speed but he's got some serious burst & instant torque once he makes his one cut.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Here is the play I referred to in my previous post. Not shown: he does shoulder shake juke that leaves both defenders leaning the wrong way (look at their balance in pick two.)
And here he is beating Hightower to the edge.
Those two plays demonstrate it wasn't just the big guys opening up Mack truck size holes. Great athleticism. The Lions don't have another RB who can consistently make the plays Johnson does.
And here he is beating Hightower to the edge.
Those two plays demonstrate it wasn't just the big guys opening up Mack truck size holes. Great athleticism. The Lions don't have another RB who can consistently make the plays Johnson does.
So I'm not an X's and O's guy, don't really know too much about actual football, just fantasy. But during the Lions-Pats game Collinsworth mentioned something about Patricia using some type of defensive formation a lot from his Pats DC days during his first game against NYJ, and obviously it didn't work and they got shredded. Any idea what that was?
jomar
Footballguy
I thought I remember him talking about how we were running more 4-3 sets vs the 3-4 looks we gave the Jets/Niners
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Take it to the psf mod complaint sub sub forum!!!
Tough watching zeke single handedly beat us. The one guy you need to game plan for and limit. Our defense needs an influx of talent. Ziggy coming back would help a lot, but man, we should have had that game. Chalk up yet another 4th quarter comeback for Stafford that the defense gives away. He’s come back to win a lot, how many times has he gotten the lead with under 5 mins left and the defense or special teams gives up a big play and loses? He, to me, is really one of the best come from behind qbs I’ve ever seen. Granted we seem to always be behind, so he gets lots of chances.
Im tired of the rbbc. Blount shouldn’t be getting the carries. KJ rips off a 30+ yarder to start the game, then we watch Blount grind out 2-3 yds a couple times. Wtf? Riddick is earning his work, and Blount isn’t useless, but KJ looks like the real deal out there and we should keep him on the field. Am I missing something here?
TartanLion
Footballguy
*sigh
I was convinced all week that we'd win this game, be back to 2-2 with a good feeling permeating around us. The game was there for the taking.
I was convinced all week that we'd win this game, be back to 2-2 with a good feeling permeating around us. The game was there for the taking.
Raging weasel
Footballguy
Another ugly game and so Lion-like. Kerryon gets 32 on 1st carry and only gets 7 more touches until the 4th qtr?
At the end of the 1st half it was like Caldwell was coaching, had all their timeouts but didn't even bother trying to get in FG range. Take a couple deep shots down the field there and maybe get a completion or a flag.
Another BS roughing penalty. If a QB escapes a sack, there is no whistle and you tackle him while he's still trying to make a play it's a flag!?
Team still can't stop the run because they suck at tackeling and can't shed blocks. They need to let Ziggy walk and use that money on 3-5 guys that can actually stay on the field and be useful.
At the end of the 1st half it was like Caldwell was coaching, had all their timeouts but didn't even bother trying to get in FG range. Take a couple deep shots down the field there and maybe get a completion or a flag.
Another BS roughing penalty. If a QB escapes a sack, there is no whistle and you tackle him while he's still trying to make a play it's a flag!?
Team still can't stop the run because they suck at tackeling and can't shed blocks. They need to let Ziggy walk and use that money on 3-5 guys that can actually stay on the field and be useful.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I am back from vacation. Actually I was in Chicago all weekend on a real vacation and did not even know JB popped me until last night at 10 when I went to change the title of this thread.
Tough loss as I think the Lions are a better team. Would like to see the Lions start using Johnson more and getting him more touches. The guy looks like he can handle it. Plus everytime Riddick is in the game now the announcers say...looks like a passing down.
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
On point. And oh by the way, JBC, there's a reason Blount is averaging 2.7 on the year (7 ATT for 12 YRDS yesterday), and it ain't because he's 31. EVERYBODY watching the game knows its gonna be a dive play when #29 joins the huddle.
The Lions seem to have the most predictable game calling in the league. It's as if they succeed in spite of the OC.
Kerryon is a smooth back who can handle every aspect. Running inside, gaining the edge, catching passes, pass pro. There's absolutely no reason to feature him more.
But they lost yesterday because they couldn't stop Elliott. They weren't doing anything fancy or different than what they try to do every week. Blocking and tackling.
The key play - long pass to Zeke with Jarrad Davis trailing him - was due to Wilson and Diggs being out of the game because they got dinged up. Dude cannot be in coverage in that situation. Freaking get Miles Killebrew off the bench if our ILB cannot cover.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Jury is out on Davis. I don`t know if he is just our of position on many plays or he is just not that good.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Supposedly his strength is in stopping the run. But for a guy who possesses some athleticism, he sure does over pursue often. Then, too, we see him fail to get his pads level at the point of contact and he gets pushed back. So even discounting how terrible he is in coverage, you wonder how he was ever selected in the first round. I get that 18th/19th pick (whatever he was) isn't a Pro Bowl lock but by year two you should start to see some stability or progress. And if a guy is a good athlete, shouldn't you be able to coach him up and develop him?
Monday morning moaning. Team should be 4-0 just based on I think we're better than the Jets, 49ers and Cowboys. But in the NFL you are what your record says you are, so I guess we're lousy. Again.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Davis was right there with him, Dak dropped in a nice pass. Too much to ask any Lber to be one on one with Zeke sprinting down the sideline. There should have been safety help.
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BobbyLayne
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Probably. Only reason Tracy Walker (3rd rd rookie) is in there is Tavon Wilson got hurt and only played 4 snaps, and Diggs was banged up in the third. Played 27 snaps after only seeing 23 in the first 3 games combined. Cowboys had 5 in the pattern and Quin was up by the WR who was lined up inside Elliott and the TE, was straight man all the way across. Looks like Walker has deep middle and there's nobody around him so I guess he probably misread his assignment, but who knows.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Inexplicable that Kerryon tocuhes the ball 10 times. Pathetic use of talent. He should be 15-20 every week. Also, I swear Blount is running more routes than KJ. We ran a freaking screen to our biggest slowest offensive player. Literally anyone else on the team could have done more woth a screen. As for the front 7, Davis just looks like a LB from the 90s. He is big and ok against the run but he's a big negative in the passing game. It looks like that draft featured two major misses in Davis and Tabor. We have a terrible front 7 which is no surprise to anyone. This next draft/FA period needs to be a full rebuild of the front 7.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Looks like DeShawn Shead is ahead of Teez Tabor when they need a long CB. Lawson played the whole game and the only time TT played was about 6 plays when Slay was hurt. That game he started (49ers?) he got burnt early & often before getting benched.
On the whole Bob Quinn has done well with his first and second day picks, but those two are looking super shaky ATM.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yep and I know even the best GMs will miss a lot. It's just part of the game. The Teez miss is the one that kills me. He just had such glaring red flags.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
All he needed to do is see zeke tracking the ball and put his hands up. Zeke caught it at his hip, if Davis just waved his hands in front of him it probably would have been incomplete.
TartanLion
Footballguy
Just tell me if Im being stupid, but why don't they ever put Riddick AND another RB out on the field together, or Blount and another RB just to vary it and mix it up a bit and try make it less obvious ? I know we'd have to sacrifice a WR, but surely extra variety in formations leads to the opposition being less sure about what is going to happen
Same old Lions minus Caldwell. They have the firepower to torch the Cowboys yet they dicked around for 3 quarters just like they did for the whole Caldwell era. Then once they need to score to try and win, they march down the field and retake the lead. Then blow it. This game should not have even been close.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
^^ Dude is still bitter about Calvin 
matuski
Footballguy
Against NE Riddick and KJ were on the field together a lot. It seemed to work well too.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Okwara flashing very nicely the past two weeks. 
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Don`t know why but I am getting a good feeling about Matty-Patty. Watching him on the sidelines and how the players respond to him when he is talking, listening to him after games. Knew there would be some growing pains with a first time HC but Patricia seems totally aware of everything so hopefully he can put it together.^^ Dude is still bitter about Calvin
The pressers alone make him better than the doom and gloom Caldwell pressers. "Check the report"
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I don't want to make too many jokes about a man who is very sick, but LOL at Aikman and Buck saying on tonight's TNF broadcast that no one has anything bad to say about Millen.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Millen has always seemed like a good guy who is funny and was a good broadcaster that knew the game. WCF loved his broadcasts so much and thought he was so knowledgeable he hired him as GM. Then he loved having dinner and talking with Millen so much, listening to his stories that he extended his contract as the team was going down the tubes.
Matt Millen is a good man but the worst GM in the history of the NFL. I don`t blame Millen though as he should have never been hired by any team.
Totally agree. It was just funny, as a Lions fan, to hear them talk about him for five minutes and totally avoid the elephant in the room.
TartanLion
Footballguy
Have to say our division this year is fascinating.
Bears lead with their fine defence but I’m not entirely convinced that they can keep it up and there is a lot of divisional games to be played.
Vikings are strong but have some pretty major warts - O line is struggling very badly, run game non existent and the D has perhaps not been as dominant as suspected
Packers have Rodgers, but they also have McCarthy. As a Brit, they remind me of Arsenal under Wenger - talented team but with a ceiling on them whilst he remains in charge.
Then us. Removing week 1 there is reason for positivity. Like the others we have our fair share of blemishes, but also our fair share of strengths. Slow starters out of the blocks at 2-3, but a long way to go.
Think this might be the most interesting division in football this year, and there is possibly room for a wild card out of it ( presuming that the NFC South takes the other wildcard.
Bears lead with their fine defence but I’m not entirely convinced that they can keep it up and there is a lot of divisional games to be played.
Vikings are strong but have some pretty major warts - O line is struggling very badly, run game non existent and the D has perhaps not been as dominant as suspected
Packers have Rodgers, but they also have McCarthy. As a Brit, they remind me of Arsenal under Wenger - talented team but with a ceiling on them whilst he remains in charge.
Then us. Removing week 1 there is reason for positivity. Like the others we have our fair share of blemishes, but also our fair share of strengths. Slow starters out of the blocks at 2-3, but a long way to go.
Think this might be the most interesting division in football this year, and there is possibly room for a wild card out of it ( presuming that the NFC South takes the other wildcard.
Was thinking the other day about how after Week 1, we all probably figured we had the NFC North figured out, and it was pretty much what we all expected: Minnesota was set to dominate again, the Packers were contenders as long as they had Rodgers, the Bears were frisky but would ultimately come up short, and the Lions were a dumpster fire.
Since then, every one of those narratives has fallen apart. Vikes look very shaky, especially their o-line/running game and defense; McCarthy's incompetence and overreliance on Rodgers may have finally caught up with him; the Bears D may be dominant enough to overcome their mediocre offense; and the Lions ... well, they have the potential to be good, but are at least not a dumpster fire, and will probably end up somewhere in the middle.
To be clear, these narratives may be wrong as well. But it's where we are right now, and they're all very different from what we thought a month ago. All of which is to say I have no idea how the rest of the season will play out.
