2025 Detroit Lions: 0-0 HOF Game on tape, as DC said..."We got work to do" (93 Viewers)

[Moonlight]

Quality over quantity. 4-6 of “your guys” trumps 9 random swings IMO.

I was always a trade back guy, but there are only so many open spots as the roster gets better year to year. Extra late picks could end up on the cutting floor, so I'm all in for zoning in on difference makers.

When Holmes traded Hockenson he didn't obtain additional draft choices but instead swapped picks with Minnesota in order to get picks in higher rounds. It was a bit of a head scratcher for me at the time because I was conditioned to believe the more picks the merrier. But by doing so Holmes put the Lions in better position to get "their guys."

Another way though difficult would be to push some of those picks to next year through trades. It has been a delight to have multiple picks the last two years.
They give you flexibility to go in any direction.

 

[BobbyLayne]

"I embrace darkness, I embrace reality and we're kind of used to taking the hard road and through the narrow gate."

- Villain

Brad looking swole today. Think he's been meeting up with Dan for 6am lift sessions.

Every day is shoulder day.

 

[jon_mx]

Why in the hell would the Eagles hire Matt Patricia? Talk about giving the finger to Slay.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Why in the hell would the Eagles hire Matt Patricia? Talk about giving the finger to Slay.

Pencil jerk is poison wherever he goes. As long as he's no longer here.

 

[BobbyLayne]

% of 4th downs where a team punted in 2022:

lol

 

[jon_mx]

% of 4th downs where a team punted in 2022:

lol

I love MCDC aggression, except when he kicks unneccessary 50-yard FG from a kicker who sucks at 50-yard FGs. Teams tend to punt too much.

 

[Ilov80s]

% of 4th downs where a team punted in 2022:

lol

I love MCDC aggression, except when he kicks unneccessary 50-yard FG from a kicker who sucks at 50-yard FGs. Teams tend to punt too much.

Yes, my takeaway is be more aggressive

 

[jon_mx]

Why in the hell would the Eagles hire Matt Patricia? Talk about giving the finger to Slay.

Pencil jerk is poison wherever he goes. As long as he's no longer here.

I will not complain about the Eagles sabotaging their defense.

 

[Ilov80s]

Second half of last year, the Lions were pretty much right there with the Bills and Chiefs for best offense in EPA despite the running game actually being pretty meh. A big part of that was how aggressive we were.

 

[Ilov80s]

Also, I really want that shirt Holmes had on today. Love it. This team could be so good next year

 

[jon_mx]

A great prep for this year's draft...last year's inside thr den.

Inside the Den 2022 Episode 4: Behind the Scenes of the Lions' 2022 NFL Draft

Go behind-the-scenes of the 2022 NFL Draft as Executive Vice President and General Manager Brad Holmes leads Detroit through draft weekend in the fourth epis...

youtu.be

 

[BobbyLayne]

Holmes will almost surely spend (minimum) 2 of the first 5 picks on a lineman. Projected landing spots for the ones they are known to be looking at:

OL Prospects

• OT Darnell Wright, Tennessee (NFL Combine, Top 30)
  mid-first round, hoping we pass - will have the worst run blocking grade of any 1st round T over the last decade, primarily a RT, not impressed.
• IOL Steve Avila, TCU (Top 30)
  mid-second, might have to move up from 48
• OG O’Cyrus Torrence, Florida (Top 30)
  late first/early second - not a great athlete and we ask our Gs to be able to pull, don't think he's the best fit.
• OT Quinton Barrow, Grand Valley State (Pro Day)
  priority UDFA
• T/G Jordan McFadden, Clemson (NFL Combine, Top 30)
  6th round developmental pick
• G Antonio Mafi, UCLA (Top 30 visit)
  6th round developmental pick
• G Chandler Zavala, NC State (Top 30 visit)
  phenomenal pro day, likely Day 2 pick - could be a solid pro for a decade
• OL Mark Evans, Arkansas Pine-Bluff (Virtual)
  priority UDFA
• OL Nick Saldiveri, Old Dominion (Virtual)
  4th round - has all the traits Detroit loves (versatile, football IQ, 3 year starter)

DL Prospects

• DL Adetomiwa Adebawore, Northwestern (Pro Day)
  mid second
• DL Karl Brooks, Bowling Green (Top 30 visit)
  best player who didn't get a combine invite, likely Day 2 pick
• DL Jalen Carter, Georgia (Top 30 visit)
  blue chip expected to go between 5th-10th overall
• NT Siaki Ika (Top 30)
  late 2nd
• DL Desjuan Johnson, Toledo (Top 30)
  priority UDFA
• EDGE Will Anderson, Alabama (Top 30)
  blue chip expected to go in the Top 5 overall
  EDGE Derrick Hall, Auburn (Virtual)
  3rd round
• EDGE Caleb Murphy, Ferris State (Private Meeting
  priority UDFA
• EDGE Jose Ramirez, Eastern Michigan (Pro Day)
  getting some buzz, great 5th/6th round value
• EDGE BJ Thompson, Stephen F Austin (Top 30)
  rough Pro Day (was sick, shouldn't have tested), probably UDFA
• Pass rushing LB Nick Hampton, Appalachian State (Pro Day)
  5th round

 

[jon_mx]

What I hope our first five picks include...CB, NT, OL, WR, and QB. These are where we need upgrades or depth.

 

[Ilov80s]

Interesting. Jeff Risdon who follows the team closely said OCyrus Torrence is a perfect scheme fit and expects him to be a top contender at 18.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Interesting. Jeff Risdon who follows the team closely said OCyrus Torrence is a perfect scheme fit and expects him to be a top contender at 18.

Makes sense, Florida plays gap scheme, Johnson calls more gap than zone running plays.

Torrence RAS 6.13, Avila RAS 8.49 is part of the reason for my bias, but in reality it's probably just as much knowing we can land the TCU guy in the 2nd, while the #1 pure G is probably going 25-35. IOW my own bias.

O'Cyrus has 11-1/4" hands, it's incredible how he moves people. Pretty similar build (6'5" 347 v 5'4" 6'4" 340), give a little more respect to these grades bc one is SEC and the other is Big 12..

Torrence v Avila profiles in the PFF Draft Guide:

• pass-block grade 76.1 v 83.6
• run-block grade 89.9 v 66.6
• zone grade 90.2 v 74.0
• gap grade 74.4 v 56.0
• true pass set grade 68.0 v 65.9
  
  on a scale of 10:
  
  
• feer balance 9 v 6
• frame 10 v 9
• strength 9 v 8 (functional strength? bc Torrence put up 23 bench reps v 28 for Avila)
• flexibility 7 v 8
• explosiveness 5 v 7

Avila played C for 2 seasons before switching to G in 2022. Torrence NEVER allowed a sack in college - I know, not the best measure of effectiveness but pretty impressive knowing the level of competition he face.

Skoronski (one of many T who could play G) is the best OL in the draft, Torrence is the best pure G, Avila is a slightly cheaper version. All 3 are great players who should be long time starters starting on Day 1 if needed.

 

[TartanLion]

Interesting. Jeff Risdon who follows the team closely said OCyrus Torrence is a perfect scheme fit and expects him to be a top contender at 18.

Makes sense, Florida plays gap scheme, Johnson calls more gap than zone running plays.

Torrence RAS 6.13, Avila RAS 8.49 is part of the reason for my bias, but in reality it's probably just as much knowing we can land the TCU guy in the 2nd, while the #1 pure G is probably going 25-35. IOW my own bias.

O'Cyrus has 11-1/4" hands, it's incredible how he moves people. Pretty similar build (6'5" 347 v 5'4" 340), give a little more respect to these grades bc one is SEC and the other is Big 12..

Torrence v Avila profiles in the PFF Draft Guide:

• pass-block grade 76.1 v 83.6
• run-block grade 89.9 v 66.6
• zone grade 90.2 v 74.0
• gap grade 74.4 v 56.0
• true pass set grade 68.0 v 65.9
  
  on a scale of 10:
  
  
• feer balance 9 v 6
• frame 10 v 9
• strength 9 v 8 (functional strength? bc Torrence put up 23 bench reps v 28 for Avila)
• flexibility 7 v 8
• explosiveness 5 v 7

Avila played C for 2 seasons before switching to G in 2022. Torrence NEVER allowed a sack in college - I know, not the best measure of effectiveness but pretty impressive knowing the level of competition he face.

Skoronski (one of many T who could play G) is the best OL in the draft, Torrence is the best pure G, Avila is a slightly cheaper version. All 3 are great players who should be long time starters starting on Day 1 if needed.

I’m trying to imagine a 5’4 340 pound man, it’s quite a mental image

 

[BobbyLayne]

Interesting. Jeff Risdon who follows the team closely said OCyrus Torrence is a perfect scheme fit and expects him to be a top contender at 18.

Makes sense, Florida plays gap scheme, Johnson calls more gap than zone running plays.

Torrence RAS 6.13, Avila RAS 8.49 is part of the reason for my bias, but in reality it's probably just as much knowing we can land the TCU guy in the 2nd, while the #1 pure G is probably going 25-35. IOW my own bias.

O'Cyrus has 11-1/4" hands, it's incredible how he moves people. Pretty similar build (6'5" 347 v 5'4" 340), give a little more respect to these grades bc one is SEC and the other is Big 12..

Torrence v Avila profiles in the PFF Draft Guide:

• pass-block grade 76.1 v 83.6
• run-block grade 89.9 v 66.6
• zone grade 90.2 v 74.0
• gap grade 74.4 v 56.0
• true pass set grade 68.0 v 65.9
  
  on a scale of 10:
  
  
• feer balance 9 v 6
• frame 10 v 9
• strength 9 v 8 (functional strength? bc Torrence put up 23 bench reps v 28 for Avila)
• flexibility 7 v 8
• explosiveness 5 v 7

Avila played C for 2 seasons before switching to G in 2022. Torrence NEVER allowed a sack in college - I know, not the best measure of effectiveness but pretty impressive knowing the level of competition he face.

Skoronski (one of many T who could play G) is the best OL in the draft, Torrence is the best pure G, Avila is a slightly cheaper version. All 3 are great players who should be long time starters starting on Day 1 if needed.

I’m trying to imagine a 5’4 340 pound man, it’s quite a mental image

lol

he's very wide

 

[Da Guru]

For anyone interested they are doing a cornerbacks episode on With The First Pick podcast. New podcast this off season which is GM/scouting/drafting orientated with Rick Spielman. Thought it might have some interest on here since CB almost definitively seems like something we are going to spend a day 1-2 pick on.

Ricks a pretty funny guy tbh, constantly giving his co-hosts some verbal barbs, and obviously was involved in drafting for quite a few years with the Vikings. He has some good insights/interesting stories

I’ll post their top five list momentarily

4. Banks - baller/plays with swag/wants to tackle not just tackle because he has to/great size speed looked good in drills/ good at locating ball/ similar to Xavien Howard

3. Porter Jnr - lab built/didn’t do short cone/shuttle would have loved to have seen. Tendency to drifts on inbreaking routes. Has press man ability, not concerned by 40 time. Little handsy but very physical. Can fix the handsy. Hasn’t played a lot in space, needs to get comfortable at some of the areas where he is weak and not be one dimensional, cited how Okudah was similar coming out. Dale Carter comps Isiah oliver Xavier Rhodes also mentioned.

2. Witherspoon - plays fast. Plays like a strong safety. Well put together, nice foundation. Most confident corner in draft. Got attitude some might not like but fine if he needs to be that way to get going. Best tackler CB in draft. Tone setter. Rick hearing might be 1st off board. No consensus between him and Gonzalez on that front. Antoine Winfield SNR like in tone setting. Very complete player. Coverage comparison Slay. Not overall just in coverage. Quick feet smooth transitions in coverage. Tackles like no one on league right now shins referenced Winfield SNR. Rick was asked if someone with that much chatter on the field is a turn off he says the reverse and says he prefers his CBs to be like that. If those types get beat they won’t allow it again because they are so competitive


1. Gonzalez - measurables gets him just an inch ahead of Witherspoon. Rare to find someone that tall and being that fast, also having great fluidity. Nice pad level, he’s big but also plays with high level at things that smaller corner usually do better. Not as physical or complete as Witherspoon but the measurables are just so good. Rick says he’s not the tackler that Witherspoon is but is still very good at it. Goes on a tangent about jerk Witherspoon would tackle his own grandmother if he could

It just dawned on me, I remember Witherspoon from the Michigan game. Played chippy with an attitude, at the time reminded me a little of Jalen Ramsey. I hated him in that game so he must be good.

 

[Ilov80s]

Interesting. Jeff Risdon who follows the team closely said OCyrus Torrence is a perfect scheme fit and expects him to be a top contender at 18.

Makes sense, Florida plays gap scheme, Johnson calls more gap than zone running plays.

Torrence RAS 6.13, Avila RAS 8.49 is part of the reason for my bias, but in reality it's probably just as much knowing we can land the TCU guy in the 2nd, while the #1 pure G is probably going 25-35. IOW my own bias.

O'Cyrus has 11-1/4" hands, it's incredible how he moves people. Pretty similar build (6'5" 347 v 5'4" 340), give a little more respect to these grades bc one is SEC and the other is Big 12..

Torrence v Avila profiles in the PFF Draft Guide:

• pass-block grade 76.1 v 83.6
• run-block grade 89.9 v 66.6
• zone grade 90.2 v 74.0
• gap grade 74.4 v 56.0
• true pass set grade 68.0 v 65.9
  
  on a scale of 10:
  
  
• feer balance 9 v 6
• frame 10 v 9
• strength 9 v 8 (functional strength? bc Torrence put up 23 bench reps v 28 for Avila)
• flexibility 7 v 8
• explosiveness 5 v 7

Avila played C for 2 seasons before switching to G in 2022. Torrence NEVER allowed a sack in college - I know, not the best measure of effectiveness but pretty impressive knowing the level of competition he face.

Skoronski (one of many T who could play G) is the best OL in the draft, Torrence is the best pure G, Avila is a slightly cheaper version. All 3 are great players who should be long time starters starting on Day 1 if needed.

I’m trying to imagine a 5’4 340 pound man, it’s quite a mental image

lol

he's very wide

Incredible center of gravity

 

[BobbyLayne]

Interesting. Jeff Risdon who follows the team closely said OCyrus Torrence is a perfect scheme fit and expects him to be a top contender at 18.

Makes sense, Florida plays gap scheme, Johnson calls more gap than zone running plays.

Torrence RAS 6.13, Avila RAS 8.49 is part of the reason for my bias, but in reality it's probably just as much knowing we can land the TCU guy in the 2nd, while the #1 pure G is probably going 25-35. IOW my own bias.

O'Cyrus has 11-1/4" hands, it's incredible how he moves people. Pretty similar build (6'5" 347 v 5'4" 340), give a little more respect to these grades bc one is SEC and the other is Big 12..

Torrence v Avila profiles in the PFF Draft Guide:

• pass-block grade 76.1 v 83.6
• run-block grade 89.9 v 66.6
• zone grade 90.2 v 74.0
• gap grade 74.4 v 56.0
• true pass set grade 68.0 v 65.9
  
  on a scale of 10:
  
  
• feer balance 9 v 6
• frame 10 v 9
• strength 9 v 8 (functional strength? bc Torrence put up 23 bench reps v 28 for Avila)
• flexibility 7 v 8
• explosiveness 5 v 7

Avila played C for 2 seasons before switching to G in 2022. Torrence NEVER allowed a sack in college - I know, not the best measure of effectiveness but pretty impressive knowing the level of competition he face.

Skoronski (one of many T who could play G) is the best OL in the draft, Torrence is the best pure G, Avila is a slightly cheaper version. All 3 are great players who should be long time starters starting on Day 1 if needed.

I’m trying to imagine a 5’4 340 pound man, it’s quite a mental image

lol

he's very wide

Incredible center of gravity

redefines setting an anchor - when I say he sinks his hips, welp, you just have to see it to believe it

 

[BobbyLayne]

We should take Bijan at 1.18.

No. We should never draft a RB in the first round. How you think the Steelers feel about prioritizing the pass-catching runner over the OL?

To be clear, when I say never, I actually mean....never. Even if he is a Hall of Fame RB.

2011-2020 Total Wins Above Replacement Generated - Leaders by Position

• QB Brady 34.754
• RB McCoy 1.546
• WR Brown 7.137
• TE Gronkowski 3.615
• T Whitworth 2.103
• G Yanda 2.389
• C Kelce 2.018
• DT Donald 2.815
• DE Watt 3.058
• LB Wagner 2.560
• CB Sherman 5.297
• S McCourtey 4.852
• K Tucker 0.764
• P McAfee 1.124

You want to sell tickets, draft an exciting running back. They ARE super fun to watch.

You want to win a Super Bowl, never do that.

 

[jon_mx]

It looks like Tenn is interested in trading up from 11th to 6th. Assuming none of the guys Brad wants (Will or Tyree or even Jalen) is there, do we trade down to 11 and pick up the 41st? We will probably have throw some other pick swap in the mix. It may mean we get Gonzalez instead of Witherspoon. I guess it is still possible the Lions are drooling over one of the QBs. Thursday seems like it will be Christmas and Brad is Santa.

 

[jon_mx]

We should take Bijan at 1.18.

No. We should never draft a RB in the first round. How you think the Steelers feel about prioritizing the pass-catching runner over the OL?

To be clear, when I say never, I actually mean....never. Even if he is a Hall of Fame RB.

2011-2020 Total Wins Above Replacement Generated - Leaders by Position

• QB Brady 34.754
• RB McCoy 1.546
• WR Brown 7.137
• TE Gronkowski 3.615
• T Whitworth 2.103
• G Yanda 2.389
• C Kelce 2.018
• DT Donald 2.815
• DE Watt 3.058
• LB Wagner 2.560
• CB Sherman 5.297
• S McCourtey 4.852
• K Tucker 0.764
• P McAfee 1.124

You want to sell tickets, draft an exciting running back. They ARE super fun to watch.

You want to win a Super Bowl, never do that.

I am not even sold that Bijan is all that. This talk of drafting a RB first is in the same category as us trading for Lamar. It is not even a consideration.

 

[Zeppelin]

Jameson Williams suspended 6 games for violation of the NFL gambling policy.

 

[BobbyLayne]

[Rapoport]

Sources: NFL suspended 5 players, including Lions WR Jameson Williams, for violations of NFL gambling policy.

Lions’ CJ Moore & Quintez Cephus, plus Commanders' Shaka Toney, are suspended indefinitely (at least 1 year).

Williams & DET’s Stanley Berryhill are suspended 6 games.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Four Lions suspended, two for an entire year.

 

[BobbyLayne]

@TomPelissero
4m

Swift action from the Lions:

They've released WR Quintez Cephus and S C.J. Moore, who are both suspended indefinitely for at least the 2023 season for betting on NFL games.

 

[Da Guru]

Jameson Williams suspended 6 games for violation of the NFL gambling policy.

Why am I getting a bad feeling about Williams?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Kyle Meinke reporting Jamo was betting on non-nfl games inside the facility.

The full year was for guys who bet on NFL games.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Let's talk Wide Receiver draft prospects eh

 

[jon_mx]

Let's talk Wide Receiver draft prospects eh

Trading down with the Titans to 11 and picking up a second makes a lot more sense now.

 

[Zeppelin]

Why do things always happen to the Lions?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Why do things always happen to the Lions?

I embrace the darkness.

- Brad Holmes

 

[BobbyLayne]

when is too early for JSN?

 

[jon_mx]

1. QUENTIN JOHNSTON, TCU

BIG BOARD RANK: 10​

Johnston is a force of nature at 6-foot-4, 215 pounds. He is your vertical route tree X receiver in this class. For his college career, Johnston averaged 18.8 yards per reception.

2. JAXON SMITH-NJIGBA, OHIO STATE​

BIG BOARD RANK: 12​

Smith-Njigba missed almost the entire fall with hamstring issues but was Ohio State’s leading receiver in 2021 as a sophomore. That year, he caught 95 passes for 1,595 yards and nine scores. He provides the uncoachable route-running ability and ball skills that will always have a role in the NFL.

3. ZAY FLOWERS, BOSTON COLLEGE​

BIG BOARD RANK: 29​

Flowers is the best pure separator in the draft class. Defensive backs won't be able to stick with him across on his route breaks unless they're holding him. He racked up 1,077 yards and 12 scores this past season.

4. JORDAN ADDISON, USC​

BIG BOARD RANK: 30​

Addison was the Biletnikoff Award winner with Pittsburgh in 2021 before transferring to USC. He’s a crafty route runner with the kind of bend to run a full route tree. He caught 159 passes for 2,468 yards and 25 scores over the past two seasons.

5. JOSH DOWNS, NORTH CAROLINA​

BIG BOARD RANK: 40​

Downs is a slot weapon that you can feed schemed-up targets to and watch go to work. He racked up 195 catches for 2,364 yards and 19 scores across the past two years. The only problem is that he’s probably never going to be much more than a slot at his size (5-foot-10, 175 pounds), with only 81 routes on the outside in his career.

6. TANK DELL, HOUSTON​

BIG BOARD RANK: 44​

Dell’s size — 5-foot-10, 165 pounds — won’t be for everyone, but he’s an easy separator with another gear to stride away from defenders. He had a monster 2022 campaign for Houston with 108 catches, 1,399 yards and 17 scores.

 

[Ilov80s]

Jameson Williams suspended 6 games for violation of the NFL gambling policy.

Why am I getting a bad feeling about Williams?

I think it’s pretty clear why

 

[Ilov80s]

when is too early for JSN?

I love him but isn’t he redundant with Amon Ra?

 

[BobbyLayne]

when is too early for JSN?

I love him but isn’t he redundant with Amon Ra?

Oh, because he played in the slot at tOSU we know he can’t play outside?

No, I don’t think he’s redundant. I’d rather have him than take a big X who plays small (Johnston.)

EDIT - I’ve heard this Slot v Boundary debate JSN debate & have heard a lot of analysts say he can play outside. There is also talk (from both ARSB & Ben) about adjusting St Brown’s alignment this year.

 

[TartanLion]

I like Tillman as an underrated WR in this class and a good fit with Jamo and AmonRa a few of these other guys are very similar to AmonRa - Flowers, Addison, Mims, Downs etc

 

[tangfoot]

Jameson Williams suspended 6 games for violation of the NFL gambling policy.

Why am I getting a bad feeling about Williams?

No 1st round receiver in the history of the NFL has succeeded after putting up a rookie stat line as bad as Williams and served a 6-game suspension to start their 2nd season.

 

[jon_mx]

Jameson Williams suspended 6 games for violation of the NFL gambling policy.

Why am I getting a bad feeling about Williams?

No 1st round receiver in the history of the NFL has succeeded after putting up a rookie stat line as bad as Williams and served a 6-game suspension to start their 2nd season.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I like Tillman as an underrated WR in this class and a good fit with Jamo and AmonRa a few of these other guys are very similar to AmonRa - Flowers, Addison, Mims, Downs etc

Unfortunately the bigger body guys (Tillman, Rashee Rice, AT Perry, Xavier Hutchinson, et al) all have 3rd/4th round grades. Highly unlikely any of them will hit.

Class is full of sub-180 receivers, something like 9 of the top 15 are height/weight outliers.

 

[Ilov80s]

when is too early for JSN?

I love him but isn’t he redundant with Amon Ra?

Oh, because he played in the slot at tOSU we know he can’t play outside?

No, I don’t think he’s redundant. I’d rather have him than take a big X who plays small (Johnston.)

EDIT - I’ve heard this Slot v Boundary debate JSN debate & have heard a lot of analysts say he can play outside. There is also talk (from both ARSB & Ben) about adjusting St Brown’s alignment this year.

Also they are both kind of small and slow.

 

[jon_mx]

Should have kept DJ Chark. Reynolds and Jones are going to have to step up. I just don't see the immediate solution in the draft.

 

[BobbyLayne]

when is too early for JSN?

I love him but isn’t he redundant with Amon Ra?

Oh, because he played in the slot at tOSU we know he can’t play outside?

No, I don’t think he’s redundant. I’d rather have him than take a big X who plays small (Johnston.)

EDIT - I’ve heard this Slot v Boundary debate JSN debate & have heard a lot of analysts say he can play outside. There is also talk (from both ARSB & Ben) about adjusting St Brown’s alignment this year.

Also they are both kind of small and slow.

6’1” 200
4.48

OK, I’m convinced, thanks for setting me straight.

 

[BobbyLayne]

The Lions staffers who were involved were fired last month.

Kind of brings some clarity to why Holmes made the offhand remark at the Owners Meeting that "Jamo has to do his part."

They're know this was coming for awhile.

 

[Ilov80s]

when is too early for JSN?

I love him but isn’t he redundant with Amon Ra?

Oh, because he played in the slot at tOSU we know he can’t play outside?

No, I don’t think he’s redundant. I’d rather have him than take a big X who plays small (Johnston.)

EDIT - I’ve heard this Slot v Boundary debate JSN debate & have heard a lot of analysts say he can play outside. There is also talk (from both ARSB & Ben) about adjusting St Brown’s alignment this year.

Also they are both kind of small and slow.

6’1” 200
4.48

OK, I’m convinced, thanks for setting me straight.

That’s similar size to Amon Ra and pro days times are usually a little faster than reality. Nobody would say speed is JSN’s strength. His 10 yard split was really slow too. I just think they might overlap too much but that’s just my personal take.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Hoping that he can still practice and play in the preseason games as rumoured. He needs as much work as possible before week 7.

 

[Da Guru]

Should have kept DJ Chark. Reynolds and Jones are going to have to step up. I just don't see the immediate solution in the draft.

The probably could have kept Chark at 3 for 20. Sounds pretty good now.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Hoping that he can still practice and play in the preseason games as rumoured. He needs as much work as possible before week 7.

should work like Voldemort last year, gets to practice and play preseason, can come back to the facility two weeks before the end of the suspension