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2025 Detroit Lions: 0-1 Gentle Ben and Da Bears coming to town. (139 Viewers)

BobbyLayne said:
Yep. Moved up to 7th yesterday.

BTW Jarred has been playing really well the last 6-8 weeks. Has limitations in coverage but they’re scheming to ameliorate that.

Ain’t no hiding Teez, that man cannot be on the roster when the new league year rolls around. He was active yesterday but don’t think he saw many snaps.

The Lions has zero hits on Allen yesterday & were giving up plays to a pair of UDFA rookie WRs; Ford & Quin had rough days. I like Walker though & glad to he’s been getting more time. Along with Slay & Diggs I feel like they have a decent foundation, that group will look better once they get a good edge rusher who can stay healthy. Add 1 CB and 1 S in the off-season but it can hopefully be through FA. Too many other needs on Day One / Day Two of the draft, and those late round DBs never seem to develop.

The rookie who started at RT yesterday had a solid outing. Really only need to get a RG next year.

FA/Draft needs:

1. Edge

2. Cover LB

3. G

4. TE and/or slot WR (need both but...)

5. CB

6. S

7. RB depth / quick CoP complimentary 

I could be wrong but I feel like the investment required to get another great cover guy isn’t worth it, we need a consistent pass rush. We already have a terrific group of interior lineman & along with JD we should be excellent at stuffing the run in 2019.
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I am surprised you have corner so low. Any reason? I think it is the 1B need. Safety is a big need too. 

lod001 said:
No, the team screwed themselves with that contract but it's time to search for a QB. This guy has had 10 years and produced nothing worthy of even 1/2 the salary and he had one of the greatest WRs in NFL history.
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He has taken the Lions to the playoffs 3 times which the most of any SB era Lions QB. Statistcally, his best NFL comps are Steve McNair and Tony Romo. He has the 21st highest QB Rating ever (now much of that is a circumstance of the era). He is 12th all time in 4th QB comebacks. He is not Joe Montana but he is a sold average NFL QB that is difficult to replace. 

zftcg said:
So what do we think about Patricia's job this year? I admit, I haven't been following him specifically too much (other than the weird chiding of a reporter over his posture), but I do like the fact that the team hasn't quit on him and has been playing hard down the stretch. Hopefully the talent/injury situation improves and they're in a decent position for next year.
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Not great. Team has regressed from last year and he doesn't seem to be handling himself well in the media. 

Leroy Hoard said:
Give him an OC of his own choice(not his qbs) and some more talent and see what happens. Unlike most others there,  he is in his first year.
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Lions offense was  loaded to start the season. Solid veteran QB, excellent WR configuration, tons of OL investment and a good RB trio. 

 
Ilov80s said:
I am surprised you have corner so low. Any reason? I think it is the 1B need. Safety is a big need too. 
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Yeah, that was a confusing post. I stated FA/Draft needs but was really thinking only in terms of the draft. My position on that is you need to take DBs in the first few rounds because it is so rare to see a 4th/5th round or later DB develope. Obviously, plenty of exceptions (Rodney Harrison, Richard Sherman, et al.) These are some FA who we could take a run at (age beginning next season):

  • Earl Thomas S 30
  • Landon Collins S 25
  • Ha Ha Clinton-Dix S 26
  • Lamarcus Joyner S 28
  • Tyrann Mathieu S 27
  • Kareem Jackson CB 31
  • Ronald Darby CB 25
That said, I still don't view the DBs as a higher priority than Edge, cover LB or RG. If they shut down the run - I expect Detroit to be excellent versus the run next year because they have great President Trump interior lineman, just need better Edge containment to prevent chunk plays - and the front 4 can consistently generate pressure, that covers a multitude of sins. A lot of incompletions happen not because everyone was covered but because the QB didn't have time to go through his progressions. 

 
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zftcg said:
I'm old enough to remember when everyone was praising JBC for doing the exact opposite.
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We were measuring JBC versus Joe Lombardi. Pretty sure you could do a better job calling plays than the latter.

Seriously though, the argument in favor of JBC was "Matt Stafford's stats since the second half of 2015 - best this, best that, best the other thing of any period of his career." OK, cool, he helped Stafford become more efficient. The first quarter/first half woes continued - super easy to predict their early game scripts - and he didn't turn him into a winner.

Which might not be possible and of course it's about more than just the QB. But for whatever reason, Matthew Stafford just doesn't seem to have the intangibles. Great guy, really good ambassador for the franchise, top 10-15 QB. But he doesn't make the players around him better. He is able to succeed (we think/hope) if you surround him with enough talent.

 
BobbyLayne said:
Yeah, that was a confusing post. I stated FA/Draft needs but was really thinking only in terms of the draft. My position on that is you need to take DBs in the first few rounds because it is so rare to see a 4th/5th round or later DB develope. Obviously, plenty of exceptions (Rodney Harrison, Richard Sherman, et al.) These are some FA who we could take a run at (age beginning next season):

  • Earl Thomas S 30
  • Landon Collins S 25
  • Ha Ha Clinton-Dix S 26
  • Lamarcus Joyner S 28
  • Tyrann Mathieu S 27
  • Kareem Jackson CB 31
  • Ronald Darby CB 25
That said, I still don't view the DBs as a higher priority than Edge, cover LB or RG. If they shut down the run - I expect Detroit to be excellent versus the run next year because they have great President Trump, just need better Edge containment to prevent chunk plays - and the front 4 can consistently generate pressure, that covers a multitude of sins. A lot of incompletions happen not because everyone was covered but because the QB didn't have time to go through his progressions. 
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I am totally in for any of those DBs except Kareem and Earl. We need younger, not older. Honey Badger's injury history makes me nervous too. 

I agree Detroit will be good agsainst the run but I question your reasoning lol. 

 
Ilov80s said:
I am totally in for any of those DBs except Kareem and Earl. We need younger, not older. Honey Badger's injury history makes me nervous too. 

I agree Detroit will be good agsainst the run but I question your reasoning lol. 
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:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

I meant to type Defensive Tackles / interior lineman....admittedly, I am at home catching up on MSNBC shows so maybe subconsciously typed that 

 
With nothing to lose Please explain why the Lions were playing so conservatively the first half?

Playing for field position like it was Bo vs Woody.

 
BobbyLayne said:
In his 17 attempts to Non-Golladay targets today, Stafford average 3.41 YPA.

Wait...

...he averaged 3.87 YPA in his 15 throws in the general vicinity of KG, so I’m not sure what I proving here.
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The offensive personnel in the 2nd half of the year was bad. The Tate trade, Kerryon IR, Marvin IR, Lang IR, the GM never adequately addressing the TE situation and the signing of Blount all made Detroit one of the least talented offenses in the second half of the season. It became really clear that JBC didn't know how to run an offense without Golden Tate. 

I still think the bigger issue revealed itself in week 1: A layup primetime home game to start the season against a bottom 5 team with a 21 year old rookie QB and the team fell flat on their face- and worst- players quit on the field. The coaching staff and the players don't seem entirely on the same page. 

 
Ilov80s said:
The offensive personnel in the 2nd half of the year was bad. The Tate trade, Kerryon IR, Marvin IR, Lang IR, the GM never adequately addressing the TE situation and the signing of Blount all made Detroit one of the least talented offenses in the second half of the season.
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Yes, it's truly crazy for anyone to expect anything good out of this current  offense until they can reset with  better and healthier talent next year. A fresh playbook from a new OC should also help. Until then keep betting the under!

 
Packers interviewing Caldwell for HC job.  :lol:

(Actually, leaving aside Rooney Rule cynicism for a moment, I think there is a good reason to interview Caldwell. The guy has a sharp football mind and is a good CEO type, so I could see interviewing him as a way to help shape their thinking about the direction they want to go. Now, if they actually go ahead and hire him ...)

 
zftcg said:
Packers interviewing Caldwell for HC job.  :lol:

(Actually, leaving aside Rooney Rule cynicism for a moment, I think there is a good reason to interview Caldwell. The guy has a sharp football mind and is a good CEO type, so I could see interviewing him as a way to help shape their thinking about the direction they want to go. Now, if they actually go ahead and hire him ...)
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Actually Caldwell would be a good hire for Rodgers and GB.  Rodgers would run the team like Manning did in Indy. I love Jim Caldwell.

 
Da Guru said:
Actually Caldwell would be a good hire for Rodgers and GB.  Rodgers would run the team like Manning did in Indy. I love Jim Caldwell.
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I don't think Rodgers is the cerebral type that Peyton was. All we've been hearing since McCarthy was fired was that they need to find Rodgers a more innovative playcaller. That's definitely not Caldwell. Also worth pointing out that Manning had some of his best seasons when he teamed up with a sharp offensive mind in Gase.

I was one of Caldwell's biggest defenders in this thread (relatively speaking). I think he did a decent job and ultimately took the Lions about as far as he could. But I will say that one of the things I most praised him for at the time -- his ability to hire good assistants -- hasn't aged so well, with Austin fired twice in the past year and JBC seemingly about the get the boot.

 
BobbyLayne said:
Yeah, that was a confusing post. I stated FA/Draft needs but was really thinking only in terms of the draft. My position on that is you need to take DBs in the first few rounds because it is so rare to see a 4th/5th round or later DB develope. Obviously, plenty of exceptions (Rodney Harrison, Richard Sherman, et al.) These are some FA who we could take a run at (age beginning next season):

  • Earl Thomas S 30
  • Landon Collins S 25
  • Ha Ha Clinton-Dix S 26
  • Lamarcus Joyner S 28
  • Tyrann Mathieu S 27
  • Kareem Jackson CB 31
  • Ronald Darby CB 25
That said, I still don't view the DBs as a higher priority than Edge, cover LB or RG. If they shut down the run - I expect Detroit to be excellent versus the run next year because they have great President Trump interior lineman, just need better Edge containment to prevent chunk plays - and the front 4 can consistently generate pressure, that covers a multitude of sins. A lot of incompletions happen not because everyone was covered but because the QB didn't have time to go through his progressions. 
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:lmao:  Wait, that wasn't just dry humor?  

 
No idea who this guy is and if he actually knows anything, but just passing on the rumor:

Here’s a high-quality Lions rumor for the tweeps who are still sticking around from the olden days. If Adam Gase is available in a few days, expect him to be the offensive coordinator in Detroit next year.
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I actually think this would be a good hire. I live in Miami and Gase has had his issues with the Dolphins, but he's a good offensive mind. He also got his start with the Lions under Martz back in the day.

 
As much as I wanted them to lose for better draft position, I have say that for a team that's "quit" on their coach they sure have a funny way of showing it.

 
Hard to not enjoy the Packers being booed off their own field. 

Is it correct that we are locked in at 8th ? Yes it could have been better, but this is still higher than we have drafted in a long time. Not a QB heavy draft but hopefully the nearer it gets, the buzz on some of them might increase and we’ll see a few go before our pick.  

 
TartanLion said:
Hard to not enjoy the Packers being booed off their own field. 

Is it correct that we are locked in at 8th ? Yes it could have been better, but this is still higher than we have drafted in a long time. Not a QB heavy draft but hopefully the nearer it gets, the buzz on some of them might increase and we’ll see a few go before our pick.  
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Yep, 8th. We passed the Giants (who should look at QB but might not) and the Jaguars (who desperately need a QB).

 
BobbyLayne said:
Petty b.s.
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Not if it is true.   False?  then yes.

Patricia always talks about the "little things..the little things" in preparation.  Being on time is a little thing.  Now if the player who reported that was lying then disregard.

 
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What the ...

Ian Rapoport  @Ralsheet

Source: #Lions OC Jim Bob Cooter who was expected to be fired has been told his job is safe into 2019, the Lions are believed to have signed him to a 1 yr extension during the regular season

 
whoknew said:
What the ...

Ian Rapoport  @Ralsheet

Source: #Lions OC Jim Bob Cooter who was expected to be fired has been told his job is safe into 2019, the Lions are believed to have signed him to a 1 yr extension during the regular season
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Oof. And more oof. Of course, for an OC, a contract means little, especially with firings putting some new names into consideration. But the mere thought that all 3 of Patricia/Stafford/JBC might be unchanged after the huge regression on offense spoils my lunch.

 
whoknew said:
What the ...

Ian Rapoport  @Ralsheet

Source: #Lions OC Jim Bob Cooter who was expected to be fired has been told his job is safe into 2019, the Lions are believed to have signed him to a 1 yr extension during the regular season
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If true that's so Lion like. Fans and analyst s wanted him fired weeks ago so instead gets secretly extended :wall:

 
Raging weasel said:
If true that's so Lion like. Fans and analyst s wanted him fired weeks ago so instead gets secretly extended :wall:
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Nothin new for the Lions. Matt Millen was extended twice during his term as worst GM in NFL history, Jim Caldwell did a secret extension.

Everything changes for the Lion except the ownership.    They fire Millen and keep his right hand man in Mayhew, they fire Mayhew and Lewand in the midst of a 5 game losing streak and keep the HC. They then replace Lewand as president  with a Ford family friend who admits he knows nothing about football.  They hire a new GM in Quinn and pretty much make him keep the HC that Martha loves in Caldwell.   Quinn hires Patricia and he keeps Cooter because Stafford did not want a new OC.

Lions have never cleaned house correctly.

 
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