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2025 Detroit Lions: 1-1 Lion crush Da Bears. Still seats available on the Bandwagon. (173 Viewers)

There has been an awakening. I finally don't care anymore. Watched about 4 minutes of the game Sunday and that was enough. Feels good to let go. I will check in at draft time to see what they are attempting to do to change direction again. Broken record with this club.

 
It would be so SOL for them to lose to the Bears and then upset an undefeated Philly team.

Don't count on it. Philly will remember last year's embarrassment and paste the Leos this week. Forward down the field.

34-17

 
Futz said:
It would be so SOL for them to lose to the Bears and then upset an undefeated Philly team.

Don't count on it. Philly will remember last year's embarrassment and paste the Leos this week. Forward down the field.

34-17
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You are completely right, it would be the SOL.   

But, Philly coming off a bye.   Oof.   We seriously could be the worst team in the NFL if we play with the same intensity and execution as last week.   Pathetic and embarassing.  I'd bet Caldwell really reamed a few guys out this week.... :rolleyes:

 
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thatguythere said:
You are completely right, it would be the SOL.   

But, Philly coming off a bye.   Oof.   We seriously could be the worst team in the NFL if we play with the same intensity and execution as last week.   Pathetic and embarassing.  I'd bet Caldwell really reamed a few guys out this week.... :rolleyes:
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You'll have to check the report

-Jim Caldwell

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
It would be so lions to win this game. Then lose to rams
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After crushing Pittsburgh and coming off of a bye, it would be so Eagles to lose this game. Maybe since this fits both franchises SOP's, they will cancel each other out and it won't happen. As an Eagles fan, I am desperately hoping this is true.

 
Biabreakable said:
I am not saying the Lions made the right decision in drafting Ebron, but I can at least see why they may have passed on Donald (who I think was the best option) because at the time they had Suh and Fairley, both 1st round DT picks. They have since let both players walk however, I guess they didn't know they were going to do that at the time?

As far as passing on Beckham, they did have Calvin Johnson at the time, but he has since retired.

I do think it was because of Lombardi and moving towards an offense similar to what the Saints had been doing as why they selected Ebron.

Good front offices make moves with the future i mind. If they had picked Donald when they already had Suh and Fairley, I think they could have still used them all in rotation, even possibly use Donald as a DE. They likely would have been questioned for that move, but over time it would have made a lot of sense, especially if they later decided to let Suh walk (which they did).

They certainly play enough WR that Calvin and Beckham would have made a great tandem. I cannot really explain that one. They would have had insurance and depth when Calvin retired even if they had no idea he was going to do so.

The only thing that makes sense is that they wanted Ebron to become their Jimmy Graham.
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Fans and media here would have gone into full torch and pickfork meltdown if they picked OBJ because of the history with Charles Rogers, Mike Williams, Titus Young.  IIRC Beckham was originally thought to be going towards the end of Round 1 and really made a late climb.  In retrospect it was a great pick by the Giants but I don't think that was the consensus then. Detroit media would have gone completely ballistic.

Ebron won't live up to his draft spot obviously but he's showing signs of life.  Chicago was due for a home win; Calvin usually owned them.

DET 26 PHI 23

 
Yeah there was still lingering issues from the multiple 1st round picks used on WR with Matt Millen.

Brandon Pettrigrew was getting older as well, so a new TE was needed. 

Ebron likely should have been drafted in the teens or after pick 20 as that would have been more reasonable. As already mentioned, the Lions should have tried to trade down instead of just quickly turning in the pick.

It was a great WR class so if they wanted one, they could have tried to get one in the second round or later. Didn't seem to be a priority. They have gone the free agent route instead, both Tate and Jones have worked out pretty well as far as that goes. Less risk than developing a rookie where you don't know as much what you have.

 
dhockster said:
After crushing Pittsburgh and coming off of a bye, it would be so Eagles to lose this game. Maybe since this fits both franchises SOP's, they will cancel each other out and it won't happen. As an Eagles fan, I am desperately hoping this is true.
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:confused:

The Eagles were something like 13-1 after the bye under Andy Reid and 2-1 after the bye under Chip Kelly.  If anything, their SOP is to win this game.

 
Snotbubbles said:
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The Eagles were something like 13-1 after the bye under Andy Reid and 2-1 after the bye under Chip Kelly.  If anything, their SOP is to win this game.
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Okay, I was referring more to the Eagles who usually get our hopes up only to lose to Joe Webb, or give up a punt return to Kelvin Martin, or lose 3 straight NFC championship games. But I will be encouraged by our after bye week success, so thank you for that.

 
What is the status of Ansah and Levy?

Those players are pretty important components of the Lions defense that have been missed recently.

 
King of the Jungle said:
There has been an awakening. I finally don't care anymore. Watched about 4 minutes of the game Sunday and that was enough. Feels good to let go. I will check in at draft time to see what they are attempting to do to change direction again. Broken record with this club.
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This is where I'm finally at.  Watched the Ryder Cup and turned it to the Lions game during commercials..  The loss didn't hurt at all.. I have an overwhelming sense of "I don't give a ####" attitude concerning the Lions.  Congratulations Fords... It took 35 years, but you finally got me to stop rooting and caring about the Lions..

 
King of the Jungle said:
There has been an awakening. I finally don't care anymore. Watched about 4 minutes of the game Sunday and that was enough. Feels good to let go. I will check in at draft time to see what they are attempting to do to change direction again. Broken record with this club.
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playin4beer said:
This is where I'm finally at.  Watched the Ryder Cup and turned it to the Lions game during commercials..  The loss didn't hurt at all.. I have an overwhelming sense of "I don't give a ####" attitude concerning the Lions.  Congratulations Fords... It took 35 years, but you finally got me to stop rooting and caring about the Lions..
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I've quit the Lions often. Spent better part of the 80s not paying attention while I lived in different parts of the country. Returned to Michigan the year they drafted Barry. When he walked away and I moved out of state again, I wasn't really committed to them for most of the 00s. But then we drafted Megatron, Stafford and Suh. Seemed like there was a reason to be hopeful again. I literally quit them in 2012 - nobody has bumped this for a year or two.

At this point, there's just a whole bunch of stuff I care about more than sports. My kids. Serving my community. Volunteering at my church. Selling our company. Spending time with extended family and cherished friends. I used to never miss an NFL Sunday, or tennis grand slam event, or golf major...but now I do it without even thinking twice.

I spent about 1-1/2 years not following them and trying to just enjoy the NFL, but it's not the same. And despite the fact that I have lived in the city for 17 years, I could never transfer my allegiance to a New York team. Or any other team. For better or worse, they're my team.

I'm a Michigander through and through, no matter where I live or how long I've been away. I love the natural beauty of my home state and still check the Pistons, Red Wings and Tigers box scores every day. I've travelled literally over the globe, but my favorite vacations the last few years were two weeks at a Lake Michigan beach house and 5 weeks (worked remotely) at a stone cabin on a river in west Michigan. My love for all things about the mitten state will never wane.

The Lions don't deserve the loyalty I've shown them for the last 50 seasons, but I still yearn for them to do well. But I've given into SOL and just refuse to become deeply invested in what happens to them week to week. I'm deeply committed to enjoying life and having a positive impact on the people around me. Just like you cut people out of your life who insist on being miserable, negative and unhappy, I check my allegiance to the Honolulu Blue and Silver at about the point of being half-hearted. Hope for the best, but emotionally/mentally walk away when it inevitably goes south every life.

Life is too short to waste it on this franchise.

 
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2-3, which is what they deserve. They're light years behind the Pack & the Vikes. But how do you lose to the Titans & Bears? Could be 4-1 so easily.

Except SOL. 

 
Hoo-ray for .500

Interesting Cooterschemes this week - basically had Boldin in the Ebron role and Tate in the Riddick role. Solid game by Zenner. Glasgow did well, other two interior lineman (Tomlinson & Swanson) did a great job containing Aaron Donald.

Stafford is having a nice year. Got lucky on the Roberts TD but otherwise another solid game. That free play (Rams jumped offsides) where he found Tate for 62 yards was great recognition. When that RCB for the Rams had single high coverage, he was getting lazy when the play was going the other way. Stafford looked right all the way toward Marvin Jones Jr and at the last second just before the edge rusher creamed him from the left he turned and threw it deep left to Golden. 

Defense stinks. Injuries yes, but honestly starting to question Austin's ability. Cannot understand how any profession football team could give up 20 straight completions to Keenum.

 
If only our defence could even just be somewhere around average. Even just a little below that would suffice. The offence is just absolutely flying right now. Cooter throws up some really cute plays at times with the shorter passes and pitches to RBs/Tate. Tate has found form, Jones has been on it since the start of the season, even when he doesn't see so much of the ball past two weeks he has taken his chances in the red zone. Boldin is an extremely reliable and solid option on those short to mid passes up the middle. Ebron when fit has been reliable on that front as well. Even Andre Roberts has got in on the action. Our under manned RBs have been good enough most weeks to just keep the opposition honest. Young O line has stuck to its task. Stafford at the helm playing absolutely lights out. Spreading the play about to the open man, good mix of short and deeper stuff. Really in the groove and barely making a bad decision. Even the 4INTs so far this season have mostly not been on him. To me, he looks ready to do something good if we offer him a reasonable D and can keep Cooter somehow ( if Caldwell were to go say ) 

So our D.. It's made some plays in recent weeks but overall has been awful. I know we've been down a few men, but even in saying that I would have hoped for a little more from Austin's D. Maybe it will grow a little into the season with a returning Ansah, and hopefully getting some other bodies back ( Levy especially ). 

As it stands our D simply isn't good enough to support the O enough to make the kind of run needed to get into playoffs as a wildcard. 


 



 
 
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The run defense wasnt terrible yesterday, but to let Keenum throw the ball around like he did is pretty embarrassing. I thought after the 4th and 1 goal line stance at the end of the 1st half was going to fire them up for the second, but that really wasnt the case. They did a good job of closing it out, even though that might have been more on Keenum's inability than the defense stepping up sadly. 

 
I can buy into the argument to a degree, that their passing game was allowed to flourish somewhat as we looked to limit Gurley. But still.  

Funny stat of the day was that Zenner and Gurleys carries and yards were identical. 

 
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Trying to remember the last really impressive Lions win. The biggest were probably @GB last year and Philly last week, but even those were kind of ugly. Maybe the Thanksgiving blowout of Philly last year, but that was a team in free fall. Even looking back to the 11-5 season, I feel like even when they win, I don't come out of it saying, "This is a team that is firing on all cylinders."

I think Caldwell is an underrated coach, and the guy has managed to put up a decent record in spite of himself, but I'm still waiting for the statement game.

 
Just think how bad the record would be if we still had the crappy kicking of a couple years ago. Any current lukewarm praise would switch back instantly to SOL.

Hard to believe Austin suddenly became such a bad coach, lowered talent level which inludes key injuries have to be a big part of the problems on defense.

 
Leroy Hoard said:
Just think how bad the record would be if we still had the crappy kicking of a couple years ago. Any current lukewarm praise would switch back instantly to SOL.

Hard to believe Austin suddenly became such a bad coach, lowered talent level which inludes key injuries have to be a big part of the problems on defense.
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I agree. The silver lining is that this probably has depressed his HC stock to the point where he won't be leaving anytime soon. I still think he's a very good DC. Or maybe he's just a decent one who can't scheme his way past a lack of talent the way the greats can. Whatever, I'd love to see what he can do with Ansah/Levy back.

 
zftcg said:
I agree. The silver lining is that this probably has depressed his HC stock to the point where he won't be leaving anytime soon. I still think he's a very good DC. Or maybe he's just a decent one who can't scheme his way past a lack of talent the way the greats can. Whatever, I'd love to see what he can do with Ansah/Levy back.
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Which Levy are we getting back? Because he hasn't looked like 2014 Deandre when he has been on the field.

We do not make halftime adjustments. Ever. And Austin has stated that in his weekly presser - they don't change that weeks scheme / game plan during games.

I find that be....curious.

 
zftcg said:
Trying to remember the last really impressive Lions win. The biggest were probably @GB last year and Philly last week, but even those were kind of ugly. Maybe the Thanksgiving blowout of Philly last year, but that was a team in free fall. Even looking back to the 11-5 season, I feel like even when they win, I don't come out of it saying, "This is a team that is firing on all cylinders."

I think Caldwell is an underrated coach, and the guy has managed to put up a decent record in spite of himself, but I'm still waiting for the statement game.
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January 5, 1992

 
BobbyLayne said:
Which Levy are we getting back? Because he hasn't looked like 2014 Deandre when he has been on the field.

We do not make halftime adjustments. Ever. And Austin has stated that in his weekly presser - they don't change that weeks scheme / game plan during games.

I find that be....curious.
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Will bow to your superior knowledge, but Levy has spent what ? One half of football this season, and one half of football last season on the pitch ? Thats very grim reading when I put it like that, but has he been on the pitch enough to suggest he's not the same player when fit ? And I realise how paradoxical that statement is to a degree.

Anyways, still no news of when he'll be back. The closing of the shop on that front this year has to be Quinn's Patriot influence.

 
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TartanLion said:
Will bow to your superior knowledge, but Levy has spent what ? One half of football this season, and one half of football last season on the pitch ? Thats very grim reading when I put it like that, but has he been on the pitch enough to suggest he's not the same player when fit ? And I realise how paradoxical that statement is to a degree.

Anyways, still no news of when he'll be back. The closing of the shop on that front this year has to be Quinn's Patriot influence.
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Reminds me of the Peyton-era Colts. Everyone used to say, "This is a different defense when they don't have Bob Sanders." But eventually we had to accept that Sanders was so injury prone, the Sanders-less version *was* the Colts' defense. And yes, it's entirely possible Levy will never be what he was in 2014.

 
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Reminds me of the Peyton-era Colts. Everyone used to say, "This is a different defense when they don't have Bob Sanders." But eventually we had to accept that Sanders was so injury prone, the Sanders-less version *was* the Colts' defense. And yes, it's entirely possible Levy will never be what he was in 2014.
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It is entirely possible of course, and more likely probably. All I was suggesting is that he's been so snake bitten that we haven't actually had the chance to see evidence thus far that he is a diminished player if and when he does make it onto the pitch. 

 
TartanLion said:
Will bow to your superior knowledge, but Levy has spent what ? One half of football this season, and one half of football last season on the pitch ? Thats very grim reading when I put it like that, but has he been on the pitch enough to suggest he's not the same player when fit ? And I realise how paradoxical that statement is to a degree.

Anyways, still no news of when he'll be back. The closing of the shop on that front this year has to be Quinn's Patriot influence.
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:lmao:  
 
Bow down to my superior knowledge.
 
So you're saying being I'm arrogant for thinking the issue might be coaching? It's not like I'm not the only asking that question.
 
Caldwell, Austin & Cooter all have weekly presser - LIVE stream & then it's in the clubs website. The issue has been raised last year and this year that our opponents often make halftime adjustments. That seems rational doesn't it? Not working, let's try something different. We keep getting burned by the same thing, let's try a different way to defend that.
 
Our coaches feel that when a game doesn't work, they should keep trying the same thing. Austin has specifically addressed that aspect of that in game coaching several times this year. 
 
Does that seem rational? 
 
:shrug:
 
You guys say it's personnel & talent. Last time I checked Cooter was game planning with a fourth string RB, no TE & a rookie C making his first NFL start out of position versus an all pro DT. 
 
Think you've misunderstood me, I was genuinely saying that I would defer to your better knowledge, as you have followed the sport for a lot longer and know it much better than me re Levy looking diminished. 

My only comment about that was that I'd like to see what he looks like as a player if we do ever get him back onto the pitch for a proper run of games where he can find his groove again. You never know, maybe he does get back to his best. Maybe he never plays again though. Who knows.  

I said in my initial post today that despite us being down men I've been kind of disappointed in  Austin for not having our D a bit more effective thus far, so I agree with you man, you seem to think I was having a dig at you when it couldn't be further from the truth. 

 
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TartanLion said:
Think you've misunderstood me, I was genuinely saying that I would defer to your better knowledge, as you have followed the sport for a lot longer and know it much better than me re Levy looking diminished. 

My only comment about that was that I'd like to see what he looks like as a player if we do ever get him back onto the pitch for a proper run of games where he can find his groove again. You never know, maybe he does get back to his best. Maybe he never plays again though. Who knows.  

I said in my initial post today that despite us being down men I've been kind of disappointed in  Austin for not having our D a bit more effective thus far, so I agree with you man, you seem to think I was having a dig at you when it couldn't be further from the truth. 
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Fair enough pard, I apologize for reading it wrong. We sometimes forget you and I are separated by a common language. 

You going to Twickenham?

 
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TartanLion said:
Think you've misunderstood me, I was genuinely saying that I would defer to your better knowledge, as you have followed the sport for a lot longer and know it much better than me re Levy looking diminished. 

My only comment about that was that I'd like to see what he looks like as a player if we do ever get him back onto the pitch for a proper run of games where he can find his groove again. You never know, maybe he does get back to his best. Maybe he never plays again though. Who knows.  

I said in my initial post today that despite us being down men I've been kind of disappointed in  Austin for not having our D a bit more effective thus far, so I agree with you man, you seem to think I was having a dig at you when it couldn't be further from the truth. 
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Ha, I knew exactly what you meant. There's a conversation upthread where BL asked my perspective on something (I think it was the Lions' backfield), and I offered a fairly basic, surface-level response. He then answered his own question at a level of detail that literally made me question whether I knew anything about football.  :)

So Bobby -- and I say this with zero sarcasm or irony -- I too bow to your superior knowledge.  :thumbup:

Also agree with both of you that a) I'd like to see what that D looks like with Levy healthy, and b) it's possible Austin isn't as good a coach as we thought a couple years ago, though I really hope that's not the case.

 
I was a huge TA fan; wanted him elevated & JC fired last year. Hope I'm wrong about my speculation today. Just frustrated we cannot stop anyone - making guys like Hoyer & Keenum look like pro bowlers is embarrassing.

 
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BobbyLayne said:
Fair enough pard, I apologize for reading it wrong. We sometimes forget you and I are separated by a common language. 

You going to Twickenham?
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No worries I figured it was lost in translation. 

Nope not going to Twickenham, but going to Bengals v Redskins for our annual trip. I was spoiled getting the Lions two years in a row. Although last year was x rated of course. 9 of us this year, should be a car crash ?

 
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