2025 Detroit Lions: 4-1 Lions win battle of the big cats. (76 Viewers)

[Donnybrook]

Since Hooker is recovering from injury and this year was going to be a red shirt year anyway. It is interesting the way Detroit deals with him since the team has alot of talent they need to keep on the active roster. It could be advenategeous to put him on the PUP list to start the season.

 

[jon_mx]

Since Hooker is recovering from injury and this year was going to be a red shirt year anyway. It is interesting the way Detroit deals with him since the team has alot of talent they need to keep on the active roster. It could be advenategeous to put him on the PUP list to start the season.

Reportedly he will be clear to play before the season, which you can take with a grain of salt. The question is if Hooker is well enough to practice in non-contact drills and the Lions feel he is game ready week 1. It will depend how much work he gets in camp. With the current roster and all the new players coming in, the easy button may be to put him on PUP to free up a spot so they can keep someone else.

 

[Ilov80s]

Did they put Jamo on PUP last year?

 

[Ilov80s]

Hooker is so useful

• Possible long term quality back-up QB which is really important for a team with championship aspirations
• Quality starting QB upside with NFL size, arm, accuracy and plus athleticism
• Potential trade bait to turn into a 1st or 2nd down the road
• Leverage for negotiations with Goff

 

[jon_mx]

Did they put Jamo on PUP last year?

Yes.

 

[Ilov80s]

Did they put Jamo on PUP last year?

Yes.

Makes sense to do it again with Hooker. Even if Goff gets hurt in week 2, it's doubtful they would consider Hendon ready to play.

 

[Moonlight]

B) means he was an adult often playing against teenagers. There have been many examples of older players coming into the NFL, and very few have panned out.

Interesting point. I am sure there are others but the only one that comes to mind is Brandon Weeden. Was he really 29 during his first NFL season?

Hooker will be in his age 25 season this year, who are his age comps for QBs entering the NFL?

Weeden is probably the most famous example because of just how old he was, but some other highly drafted or productive college QBs (age 24+) include:

Kenny Pickett (2022 Steelers 1st, turned 24 before week 1, time will tell if that ends up being a mistake or not)

Will Grier (2019 Panthers 3rd, was 24 and had an excellent senior season, and was the reason I started to value age, because he had 1st round tape)

Ryan Tannehill (2012 Dolphins 1st, was 24 before week 1, probably the biggest success of this group)

Colt McCoy (2010 Browns 3rd)

Colt Brennan (2008 Washington 6th, but was a Heisman candidate)

John Beck (2007 Miami 2nd)

Charlie Whitehurst (2006 Chargers 3rd)

Charlie Frye (2005 Browns 3rd)

Chris Weinke (2001 4th rounder, and Heisman winner was 29)

Chad Pennington (2000 Jets 1st, was 24, and didn't start until 3rd season)

Akili Smith (1999 Cinci 3rd overall pick, turned 25 during rookie season)

Jim Druckenmiller (1997 SF 1st)

Dan McGwire (1991 Seattle 1st, ahead of Brett Favre no less, was 24 as a rookie)

@Moonlight

Thanks a million

B) means he was an adult often playing against teenagers. There have been many examples of older players coming into the NFL, and very few have panned out.

Interesting point. I am sure there are others but the only one that comes to mind is Brandon Weeden. Was he really 29 during his first NFL season?

Hooker will be in his age 25 season this year, who are his age comps for QBs entering the NFL?

Weeden is probably the most famous example because of just how old he was, but some other highly drafted or productive college QBs (age 24+) include:

Kenny Pickett (2022 Steelers 1st, turned 24 before week 1, time will tell if that ends up being a mistake or not)

Will Grier (2019 Panthers 3rd, was 24 and had an excellent senior season, and was the reason I started to value age, because he had 1st round tape)

Ryan Tannehill (2012 Dolphins 1st, was 24 before week 1, probably the biggest success of this group)

Colt McCoy (2010 Browns 3rd)

Colt Brennan (2008 Washington 6th, but was a Heisman candidate)

John Beck (2007 Miami 2nd)

Charlie Whitehurst (2006 Chargers 3rd)

Charlie Frye (2005 Browns 3rd)

Chris Weinke (2001 4th rounder, and Heisman winner was 29)

Chad Pennington (2000 Jets 1st, was 24, and didn't start until 3rd season)

Akili Smith (1999 Cinci 3rd overall pick, turned 25 during rookie season)

Jim Druckenmiller (1997 SF 1st)

Dan McGwire (1991 Seattle 1st, ahead of Brett Favre no less, was 24 as a rookie)

@Moonlight

Thanks a million Chaka for the list. I got a little carried away with how old he was. One of my points in my rant was that I dont think he will be recovered enough to contribute as a backup. So we would be up a creek if Goff goes down.

My other main point was that older QBs have not had much success in the NFL. I think this list supports this. Pickett is still to be determined but I don’t think he’s shown much.

Tannehill as the banner boy is not saying much either

Better than average chance Hooker is a wasted pick who may not even be able to be of any help this year

 

[Ilov80s]

Better than average chance Hooker is a wasted pick who may not even be able to be of any help this year

Same for every 3rd round pick. Most of those players won't make it.

 

[Moonlight]

I joked about Hooker's age, but not worried about it. With COVID we kind of hit unconventional waters with college careers getting stretched out due to missed seasons and allowed extensions. You can't compare. I think Hooker was a steal at where we got him. Perfect backup for the next two seasons with potential to be a good starter. No, he is not Mahomes or Hurt...

..but here is the not so secret, secret....Holmes and Campbell already believe they have their franchise QB. Despite being told numerous times, no one in the media or internet analysts believes this, and they over-react accordingly.

I agree the Lions have treated Goff as their main guy and franchise QB

 

[Ilov80s]

So we know Gibbs is on the path to take over the Swift role but what about the Kalif Raymond role? Both are 5'9" with 4.39 speed.

 

[Moonlight]

Better than average chance Hooker is a wasted pick who may not even be able to be of any help this year

Same for every 3rd round pick. Most of those players won't make it.

We like

Better than average chance Hooker is a wasted pick who may not even be able to be of any help this year

Same for every 3rd round pick. Most of those players won't make it.

Agree but do you believe we have solved our backup QB need for this year?

 

[SoBeDad]

Like Miami last year, you will have to use 3 roster spots when you sign a vet like Bridgewater to backup Goff. Miami had Tua, Bridgewater, and Skylar.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Like Miami last year, you will have to use 3 roster spots when you sign a vet like Bridgewater to backup Goff. Miami had Tua, Bridgewater, and Skylar.

That would be it, with Hooker opening on the PUP list to save a spot early.

 

[Ilov80s]

Agree but do you believe we have solved our backup QB need for this year?

Probably not but you have hopefully solved it for the long term plus opened up some really profitable possibilities. He obviously has 3 big flaws: age, knee, gimmicky offense. However, he has some major positive points: 2 years of starting SEC experience, Heisman level production, NFL size, NFL arm, NFL accuracy and is mobile. I don't love Hooker but I will take a shot on that profile every 3rd round every year.

 

[Zeppelin]

Better than average chance Hooker is a wasted pick who may not even be able to be of any help this year

Same for every 3rd round pick. Most of those players won't make it.

We like

Better than average chance Hooker is a wasted pick who may not even be able to be of any help this year

Same for every 3rd round pick. Most of those players won't make it.

Agree but do you believe we have solved our backup QB need for this year?

No. I'm hoping they sign Bridgewater and develop Hooker this year

 

[Leroy Hoard]

This sucks waiting for 152.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Like the Hooker pick. He should have been drafted a round earlier.

 

[nysfl2]

Bridgewater for a year is best case scenario. Worst case scenario is that they keep Sudfeld as the backup and hope Goff doesn't get hurt until Hooker is ready to play competently.

 

[Moonlight]

Like Miami last year, you will have to use 3 roster spots when you sign a vet like Bridgewater to backup Goff. Miami had Tua, Bridgewater, and Skylar.

Like Miami last year, you will have to use 3 roster spots when you sign a vet like Bridgewater to backup Goff. Miami had Tua, Bridgewater, and Skylar.

Agree but do you believe we have solved our backup QB need for this year?

Probably not but you have hopefully solved it for the long term plus opened up some really profitable possibilities. He obviously has 3 big flaws: age, knee, gimmicky offense. However, he has some major positive points: 2 years of starting SEC experience, Heisman level production, NFL size, NFL arm, NFL accuracy and is mobile. I don't love Hooker but I will take a shot on that profile every 3rd round every year

Better than average chance Hooker is a wasted pick who may not even be able to be of any help this year

Same for every 3rd round pick. Most of those players won't make it.

We like

Better than average chance Hooker is a wasted pick who may not even be able to be of any help this year

Same for every 3rd round pick. Most of those players won't make it.

Agree but do you believe we have solved our backup QB need for this year?

No. I'm hoping they sign Bridgewater and develop Hooker this year

Better than average chance Hooker is a wasted pick who may not even be able to be of any help this year

Same for every 3rd round pick. Most of those players won't make it.

We like

Better than average chance Hooker is a wasted pick who may not even be able to be of any help this year

Same for every 3rd round pick. Most of those players won't make it.

Agree but do you believe we have solved our backup QB need for this year?

No. I'm hoping they sign Bridgewater and develop Hooker this year

Yes we better hope so. If they don’t have a capable backup they risk an entire season when we are in a position to make the playoffs and be a contender.

 

[Zeppelin]

Swift traded to the Eagles.

 

[Ilov80s]

Doubt we got much- maybe a 6th?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Doubt we got much- maybe a 6th?

yep

 

[SproutDaddy]

Doubt we got much- maybe a 6th?

Said a 4th.

 

[Ilov80s]

Doubt we got much- maybe a 6th?

Said a 4th.

Swap 7ths this year (we are actually moving up) and a 4th in 2025.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Doubt we got much- maybe a 6th?

yep

is this correct?

@Underdog__NFL
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1m

Eagles get - D'Andre Swift, 2023 7th-round pick
Lions get - 2025 4th-round pick, 2023 7th-round pick

 

[Mister CIA]

Doubt we got much- maybe a 6th?

Would have expected Eagles, Bengals, Chiefs, and Dolphins to all bid and drive the price higher than that, but you're probably right.

 

[BobbyLayne]

moved up 30 slots from 249 to 219

 

[Ilov80s]

Doubt we got much- maybe a 6th?

yep

is this correct?

@Underdog__NFL
·
1m

Eagles get - D'Andre Swift, 2023 7th-round pick
Lions get - 2025 4th-round pick, 2023 7th-round pick

I assume? It works for me. It's far off in the future but we don't really nee more picks this year anyway.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Doubt we got much- maybe a 6th?

yep

is this correct?

@Underdog__NFL
·
1m

Eagles get - D'Andre Swift, 2023 7th-round pick
Lions get - 2025 4th-round pick, 2023 7th-round pick

2025? That's about a 6th this year.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I was hoping for 2024 but you get what you can for an expiring contract.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Doubt we got much- maybe a 6th?

yep

is this correct?

@Underdog__NFL
·
1m

Eagles get - D'Andre Swift, 2023 7th-round pick
Lions get - 2025 4th-round pick, 2023 7th-round pick

2025? That's about a 6th this year.

it's fine, dude has been our RB2 for three years, be happy we got anything lol

Doubt we got much- maybe a 6th?

yep

is this correct?

@Underdog__NFL
·
1m

Eagles get - D'Andre Swift, 2023 7th-round pick
Lions get - 2025 4th-round pick, 2023 7th-round pick

I assume? It works for me. It's far off in the future but we don't really nee more picks this year anyway.

yeah we have 8 picks in 2024 (our 7 + MIN 3rd)

 

[Moonlight]

Swift traded to the Eagles.

For Christ sake not to the Eagles!

What’s with Holmes

 

[nysfl2]

Swift traded to the Eagles.

For Christ sake not to the Eagles!

What’s with Holmes

Either he's focused more on winning the division than winning the NFC, or he's not afraid of Swift. Probably a little of both.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

By the time we play the Eagles Swift will be on the DL.

 

[Ilov80s]

Swift traded to the Eagles.

For Christ sake not to the Eagles!

What’s with Holmes

Either he's focused more on winning the division than winning the NFC, or he's not afraid of Swift. Probably a little of both.

Swift doesn't move the needle. He's talented but if I am playing Philly, Swift is the absolute least of my concerns.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Holmes really is fearless in terms of who he trades with. Minny last year, Green Bay and Philly this year.

 

[Moonlight]

Swift traded to the Eagles.

For Christ sake not to the Eagles!

What’s with Holmes

Either he's focused more on winning the division than winning the NFC, or he's not afraid of Swift. Probably a little of both.

Swift doesn't move the needle. He's talented but if I am playing Philly, Swift is the absolute least of my concerns.

Holmes really is fearless in terms of who he trades with. Minny last year, Green Bay and Philly this year.

I’ve been using the word fearless as well but I seek another trade partner in this instance

 

[BobbyLayne]

Swift traded to the Eagles.

For Christ sake not to the Eagles!

What’s with Holmes

Either he's focused more on winning the division than winning the NFC, or he's not afraid of Swift. Probably a little of both.

Swift doesn't move the needle. He's talented but if I am playing Philly, Swift is the absolute least of my concerns.

honestly I feel like he's a bit uncoachable

too quick to bounce outside

they scheme outside screens he's got lanes for days and takes it to the middle where the defenders are

honestly happy we're done with him

 

[Leroy Hoard]

So who we want at 152?

 

[Ilov80s]

So who we want at 152?

I am going to assume as hard as they have scouted OG that they have a guy

 

[Moonlight]

Swift traded to the Eagles.

For Christ sake not to the Eagles!

What’s with Holmes

Either he's focused more on winning the division than winning the NFC, or he's not afraid of Swift. Probably a little of both.

Swift doesn't move the needle. He's talented but if I am playing Philly, Swift is the absolute least of my concerns.

I’d like some clarification. You and I had a lengthy discussion about Swift.

Swift traded to the Eagles.

For Christ sake not to the Eagles!

What’s with Holmes

Either he's focused more on winning the division than winning the NFC, or he's not afraid of Swift. Probably a little of both.

Swift doesn't move the needle. He's talented but if I am playing Philly, Swift is the absolute least of my concerns.

honestly I feel like he's a bit uncoachable

too quick to bounce outside

they scheme outside screens he's got lanes for days and takes it to the middle where the defenders are

honestly happy we're done with him

I have had lengthy discussions and felt strongly that they didn’t trust him and were going to replace him.

But he is very talented and explosive and I would not give a team who is presently on top of the NFC first crack at seeing if they can fix him.

Maybe I’m all wet and Holmes is using some Ninja strategy of sabotaging the Eagles by making sure they traded Swift to the Eagles.

 

[jon_mx]

Swift traded to the Eagles.

The last place I would have traded him too

 

[Leroy Hoard]

So who we want at 152?

I am going to assume as hard as they have scouted OG that they have a guy

Bingo. A guy named after my favorite cheese.

 

[BobbyLayne]

he was a team captain so

short armed T who will be moved to G

7th round guy so of course we take him at 152

 

[Ilov80s]

Guy who specializes in OL eval says Lions got the steal of the draft

https://twitter.com/bigduke50/status/1652380285093265409?s=46&t=RJfiYufOPM5611362cLZGg

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Lions saving that 7th round pick for a kicker.

 

[humpback]

Holmes really is fearless in terms of who he trades with. Minny last year, Green Bay and Philly this year.

It honestly baffles me how so many people feel the opposite (heck, that applies to FF too). If you think you got the better end of a deal, that implies that you think your trade partner got the worse end. If anything it should be a bonus to have that (now weaker) team be in conference/division.

 

[Zeppelin]

MJD just said the Lions improved more than any other team.

 

[Moonlight]

MJD just said the Lions improved more than any other team.

Make it so

 

[BobbyLayne]

Guy who specializes in OL eval says Lions got the steal of the draft

https://twitter.com/bigduke50/status/1652380285093265409?s=46&t=RJfiYufOPM5611362cLZGg

looks like he has a good punch but little too upright, leverage is everything at the next level.

baffles me they passed on Jordan McFadden