2025 Detroit Lions: 4-1 Lions win battle of the big cats. (200 Viewers)

[Leroy Hoard]

My best guess is DPJ fills the Marvin Jones spot, not sure if there is much fantasy value there but it does give the team another WR to go to.

 

[Da Guru]

My best guess is DPJ fills the Marvin Jones spot, not sure if there is much fantasy value there but it does give the team another WR to go to.

With Marvin Jones gone and Williams really not contributing Holmes needed to add a WR.

Thought we would add a DE too but WR was also a need. I thought I saw St. Brown limping a little last night at times. So they added some cheap insurance. Bye week came at the right time. Get St Brown healed up and Jones acclimated.

 

[King of the Jungle]

My best guess is DPJ fills the Marvin Jones spot, not sure if there is much fantasy value there but it does give the team another WR to go to.

With Marvin Jones gone and Williams really not contributing Holmes needed to add a WR.

Thought we would add a DE too but WR was also a need. I thought I saw St. Brown limping a little last night at times. So they added some cheap insurance. Bye week came at the right time. Get St Brown healed up and Jones acclimated.

DPJ is a good blocker, can return kicks, and actually has some deep speed as well. Holmes doing a good job of accumulating overlapping talent that can contribute in multiple ways.

 

[Ilov80s]

What I don't know is how DPJ fits into their WR mix. Pretty sure he's not the deep threat they hope Jamo turns into. So what does he bring to the table?

Paging @BobbyLayne ...

Like other have said, he is most likely filling the Marvin Jones role. DPJ has a career 15.7 yards per catch. That's a top 20 worthy average or so. He's not Tyreek or Shaheed but as NFL WRs go, he's more capable of big plays than most. I think what he's actually lacked is nuance and consistency.

 

[jon_mx]

What I don't know is how DPJ fits into their WR mix. Pretty sure he's not the deep threat they hope Jamo turns into. So what does he bring to the table?

Paging @BobbyLayne ...

They wanted a replacement Marvin Jones but did not want to print a new jersey.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

What I don't know is how DPJ fits into their WR mix. Pretty sure he's not the deep threat they hope Jamo turns into. So what does he bring to the table?

Paging @BobbyLayne ...

They wanted a replacement Marvin Jones but did not want to print a new jersey.

That would be hilarious if he had "^PEOPLES-" scrawled in marker on the back of his jersey

 

[msudaisy26]

Like everyone else has said DPJ is the Jones replacement. Jones was break glass in case of an emergency, but DPJ is a slight upgrade because he actually has a chance to crack the top 3 wideouts if he picks up the scheme quickly and Jameson continues to struggle.

 

[Moonlight]

I'm a Cowboys' fan & if they can't get in, I'm rooting for Detroit (& Miami in the AFC

So how far is your team going with Dak?

Dak can self implode at any moment based on his history. Hard to say he’s a better option than Goff.
Though understand the lack of confidence in Goff when we have seen what happens when he is consistently pressured.
That said if the OL gives him adequate protection I’ll take Goff.

 

[BobbyLayne]

IDK man

You look at the Eagles adding a Pro bowl level DB & the 49ers getting Chase Young (for a 3rd!!)

We bring DPJ home?

One of these is not like the others

Comparison if the thief of joy so not gonna worry about it too much but a bit disappointed

• we didn’t get AG another influx of talent
• we clearly had a couple positions of need (CB & ED)
• the available solutions were out there at a relatively low cost

 

[BobbyLayne]

What I don't know is how DPJ fits into their WR mix. Pretty sure he's not the deep threat they hope Jamo turns into. So what does he bring to the table?

Paging @BobbyLayne ...

I need to go back & look at my off-season notes from 2022

IIRC he was pretty raw coming out

Dude has a rep as having a phenomenal work ethic

Really honed the finer points of his craft

Not gonna go off but he is reliable & solid - he’s gonna be a great for for that room

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Spoiler: literally NOCAYFFT

WRT Jamo, I cut him Sunday night for a 3rd TE (Mayer) just in case something freakish happened to Sam during warmups (or he caught what ARSB had)

I was down by 37.8 or sumtin

• My Goff + Gibbs + LaPorta
• His Amon-Ra St Brown

won going away by 7 or so, felt good to pull one out of my butt

I’m 3-5 with what is probably the 2nd best roster lol but went from 10th to 7th this week

playing a schedule softer than Detroit’s I should end up with 8 or 9 wins (14 g) to sneak in

then anything can happen.

 

[jon_mx]

IDK man

You look at the Eagles adding a Pro bowl level DB & the 49ers getting Chase Young (for a 3rd!!)

We bring DPJ home?

One of these is not like the others

Comparison if the thief of joy so not gonna worry about it too much but a bit disappointed

• we didn’t get AG another influx of talent
• we clearly had a couple positions of need (CB & ED)
• the available solutions were out there at a relatively low cost

Brad has a long-term view. He is not looking at going all in for any given year. He loves rookie deals and cheap veterans who play hard. I think Brad is doing everything he can to build available cap space so he can extend the guys he wants. He is trying to build for long term success

 

[Moonlight]

What I don't know is how DPJ fits into their WR mix. Pretty sure he's not the deep threat they hope Jamo turns into. So what does he bring to the table?

Paging @BobbyLayne ...

Like other have said, he is most likely filling the Marvin Jones role. DPJ has a career 15.7 yards per catch. That's a top 20 worthy average or so. He's not Tyreek or Shaheed but as NFL WRs go, he's more capable of big plays than most. I think what he's actually lacked is nuance and consistency.

Good stuff. He’s definitely an upgrade over Marvin who was contributing very little and wasn’t getting separation. A vet with experience who provides depth and insurance for Jamo struggling.

Downside is that he is an UFA next year. Though being from Detroit and U of M may make it easier to resign him if they like him and he is affordable.

 

[Moonlight]

IDK man

You look at the Eagles adding a Pro bowl level DB & the 49ers getting Chase Young (for a 3rd!!)

We bring DPJ home?

One of these is not like the others

Comparison if the thief of joy so not gonna worry about it too much but a bit disappointed

• we didn’t get AG another influx of talent
• we clearly had a couple positions of need (CB & ED)
• the available solutions were out there at a relatively low cost

Brad has a long-term view. He is not looking at going all in for any given year. He loves rookie deals and cheap veterans who play hard. I think Brad is doing everything he can to build available cap space so he can extend the guys he wants. He is trying to build for long term success

Agree wholeheartedly.

 

[King of the Jungle]

IDK man

You look at the Eagles adding a Pro bowl level DB & the 49ers getting Chase Young (for a 3rd!!)

We bring DPJ home?

One of these is not like the others

Comparison if the thief of joy so not gonna worry about it too much but a bit disappointed

• we didn’t get AG another influx of talent
• we clearly had a couple positions of need (CB & ED)
• the available solutions were out there at a relatively low cost

Brad has a long-term view. He is not looking at going all in for any given year. He loves rookie deals and cheap veterans who play hard. I think Brad is doing everything he can to build available cap space so he can extend the guys he wants. He is trying to build for long term success

I agree, but it has been a long time since it felt like Detroit “had a shot.” I would have been okay throwing away a third even if it was a one year rental to help the team.

 

[BobbyLayne]

IDK man

You look at the Eagles adding a Pro bowl level DB & the 49ers getting Chase Young (for a 3rd!!)

We bring DPJ home?

One of these is not like the others

Comparison if the thief of joy so not gonna worry about it too much but a bit disappointed

• we didn’t get AG another influx of talent
• we clearly had a couple positions of need (CB & ED)
• the available solutions were out there at a relatively low cost

Brad has a long-term view. He is not looking at going all in for any given year. He loves rookie deals and cheap veterans who play hard. I think Brad is doing everything he can to build available cap space so he can extend the guys he wants. He is trying to build for long term success

Agree wholeheartedly.

Making one deal isn't mortgaging the future, it's taking advantage of the window you are currently in. There's no guaranee we'll start 6-2 next year or 2025.

Seattle picked up Leonard Williams.

We stood pat on D, our three biggest NFC rivals improved their respective teams significantly - they're serious about getting back to the Super Bowl

Are we just trying to win a division title? Because you're not getting past those three on grit alone.

john Lynch, Howie Roseman, and John Schneider are elite GMs. They outmaneuvered B Holmes today. He is not on their level.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Long snapper Scott Daly suffered a knee injury that will require surgery. He's held the job since he beat out Lions legend Don Muhlbach (260 games.)

No rush to find a replacement as they are on a bye but wouldn't be surprised if they brought back former Pro Bowl Jake McQuade who was with Detroit for around 5-6 months this year. Previously he was with the Rams for 10 years and Cowboys for 2, I'd imagine the familiarity gives him a big advantage over any other option.

 

[jrt103]

I agree, but it has been a long time since it felt like Detroit “had a shot.” I would have been okay throwing away a third even if it was a one year rental to help the team.

Especially when they have an extra 3 round pick to burn.....

 

[jon_mx]

IDK man

You look at the Eagles adding a Pro bowl level DB & the 49ers getting Chase Young (for a 3rd!!)

We bring DPJ home?

One of these is not like the others

Comparison if the thief of joy so not gonna worry about it too much but a bit disappointed

• we didn’t get AG another influx of talent
• we clearly had a couple positions of need (CB & ED)
• the available solutions were out there at a relatively low cost

Brad has a long-term view. He is not looking at going all in for any given year. He loves rookie deals and cheap veterans who play hard. I think Brad is doing everything he can to build available cap space so he can extend the guys he wants. He is trying to build for long term success

Agree wholeheartedly.

Making one deal isn't mortgaging the future, it's taking advantage of the window you are currently in. There's no guaranee we'll start 6-2 next year or 2025.

Seattle picked up Leonard Williams.

We stood pat on D, our three biggest NFC rivals improved their respective teams significantly - they're serious about getting back to the Super Bowl

Are we just trying to win a division title? Because you're not getting past those three on grit alone.

john Lynch, Howie Roseman, and John Schneider are elite GMs. They outmaneuvered B Holmes today. He is not on their level.

Seattle gave up a 2nd, 5th and a $15 million cap hit for an 8-game rental.

EtA....it sounds like the Giants took the brunt of the salary.

 

[BobbyLayne]

IDK man

You look at the Eagles adding a Pro bowl level DB & the 49ers getting Chase Young (for a 3rd!!)

We bring DPJ home?

One of these is not like the others

Comparison if the thief of joy so not gonna worry about it too much but a bit disappointed

• we didn’t get AG another influx of talent
• we clearly had a couple positions of need (CB & ED)
• the available solutions were out there at a relatively low cost

Brad has a long-term view. He is not looking at going all in for any given year. He loves rookie deals and cheap veterans who play hard. I think Brad is doing everything he can to build available cap space so he can extend the guys he wants. He is trying to build for long term success

Agree wholeheartedly.

Making one deal isn't mortgaging the future, it's taking advantage of the window you are currently in. There's no guaranee we'll start 6-2 next year or 2025.

Seattle picked up Leonard Williams.

We stood pat on D, our three biggest NFC rivals improved their respective teams significantly - they're serious about getting back to the Super Bowl

Are we just trying to win a division title? Because you're not getting past those three on grit alone.

john Lynch, Howie Roseman, and John Schneider are elite GMs. They outmaneuvered B Holmes today. He is not on their level.

Seattle gave up a 2nd, 5th and a $15 million cap hit for an 8-game rental.

A league source confirmed that Seattle will pay only a prorated share of the veteran minimum salary — which the Seahawks have to do by NFL rules — which amounts to just over $647,000 for the final 10 games of the season.

2024 Seattle Seahawks Cap Table

The Seattle Seahawks 2024 salary cap table, including team cap space, dead cap figures, and complete breakdowns of player cap hits, salaries, and bonuses.

www.spotrac.com

 

[jon_mx]

IDK man

You look at the Eagles adding a Pro bowl level DB & the 49ers getting Chase Young (for a 3rd!!)

We bring DPJ home?

One of these is not like the others

Comparison if the thief of joy so not gonna worry about it too much but a bit disappointed

• we didn’t get AG another influx of talent
• we clearly had a couple positions of need (CB & ED)
• the available solutions were out there at a relatively low cost

Brad has a long-term view. He is not looking at going all in for any given year. He loves rookie deals and cheap veterans who play hard. I think Brad is doing everything he can to build available cap space so he can extend the guys he wants. He is trying to build for long term success

Agree wholeheartedly.

Making one deal isn't mortgaging the future, it's taking advantage of the window you are currently in. There's no guaranee we'll start 6-2 next year or 2025.

Seattle picked up Leonard Williams.

We stood pat on D, our three biggest NFC rivals improved their respective teams significantly - they're serious about getting back to the Super Bowl

Are we just trying to win a division title? Because you're not getting past those three on grit alone.

john Lynch, Howie Roseman, and John Schneider are elite GMs. They outmaneuvered B Holmes today. He is not on their level.

Seattle gave up a 2nd, 5th and a $15 million cap hit for an 8-game rental.

A league source confirmed that Seattle will pay only a prorated share of the veteran minimum salary — which the Seahawks have to do by NFL rules — which amounts to just over $647,000 for the final 10 games of the season.

2024 Seattle Seahawks Cap Table

The Seattle Seahawks 2024 salary cap table, including team cap space, dead cap figures, and complete breakdowns of player cap hits, salaries, and bonuses.

www.spotrac.com

Still a 2nd and 5th for a rental is expensive. Brad is a bargain shopper and he did not see any.

 

[Da Guru]

IDK man

You look at the Eagles adding a Pro bowl level DB & the 49ers getting Chase Young (for a 3rd!!)

We bring DPJ home?

One of these is not like the others

Comparison if the thief of joy so not gonna worry about it too much but a bit disappointed

• we didn’t get AG another influx of talent
• we clearly had a couple positions of need (CB & ED)
• the available solutions were out there at a relatively low cost

Brad has a long-term view. He is not looking at going all in for any given year. He loves rookie deals and cheap veterans who play hard. I think Brad is doing everything he can to build available cap space so he can extend the guys he wants. He is trying to build for long term success

Agree wholeheartedly.

Making one deal isn't mortgaging the future, it's taking advantage of the window you are currently in. There's no guaranee we'll start 6-2 next year or 2025.

Seattle picked up Leonard Williams.

We stood pat on D, our three biggest NFC rivals improved their respective teams significantly - they're serious about getting back to the Super Bowl

Are we just trying to win a division title? Because you're not getting past those three on grit alone.

john Lynch, Howie Roseman, and John Schneider are elite GMs. They outmaneuvered B Holmes today. He is not on their level.

I agree, thought for sure Chase Young was coming our way. Right now Lions are a very good team, so much better than we are used to but not the best team in the NFC. Windows open and close fast in the NFL. Philly is the best team and they got better, and we gave them their best RB to boot. Seattle is going to be a tough out come playoff time and they got better.

To me getting "Peeps" for a 6th is a no brainer. We could not get a WR in the 6th nearly as good. But that should have been a secondary deal.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Like drafts it's hard to judge things from afar in terms of trade deadlines, we obviously don't have all the info in fan land that the 32 GMs do. In terms of the Lions they do have some starters coming back from injury that should help down the home stretch. DPJ seems like a good pickup to help the WR room. Chargers will be a more than worthy opponent coming out of the bye week, a solid road test for the team and coaching staff currently doing their bye week introspection.

 

[BobbyLayne]

PFF Grades Week 9 v Raiders

The Lions ran 86 offensive plays last night, which is freaking bonkers (81 plays, 5 wiped out by penalties.)

Let's start with the big guys who lead the way as Detroit ran 43 times for 222 yards and a TD.

Offensive Line

Name	Position	Snaps	OFF	RBLK	PBLK	PEN (declined + offset)
Taylor Decker	LT	86	82.0	77.5	83.5	1 (0)
Kayode Awosika	LG	61	74.3	80.1	35.6	0 (0)
Dan Skipper	LG	25	37.8	48.0	79.2	1 (0)
Graham Glasgow	C	86	57.6	57.7	53.8	0 (0)
Colby Sorsdal	RG	86	48.9	56.8	37.4	1 (1)
Penei Sewell	RT	86	75.9	79.8	61.1	0 (0)

Note - Kayode Awosika stepped on a foot and rolled his right ankle in the 3rd quarter; doesn't sound like a serious injury, and Jonah should be back next week regardless.

0 sacks allowed, 3 QB hits, 11 hurries. Outstanding work all around here, great to see.

• Decker with another stellar week in every aspect, that's back to back elite performances
• Awosika (1 hit, 2 hurries) with the best run blocking grade in his 4th career start, won't supplant Jonah but I've been really impressed with how much he has improved over last year.
• GG with a below average grade (2 hurries) but man am I glad we have someone so versatile who can also handle calling the line protection
• Sorsdal didn't have his best (1 hit, 3 hurries) but this game is a confidence builder which will help his development; probably going to need him with Big V uncertainty wrt his back.
• Sewell (1 hit, 1 hurry) did a nice job with a very tough assignment, no sacks for Maxx is superb

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Quarterback

Dangit JG....I don't know why we still see those WTH throws. Probably his worst home start in the past year.

Time to Throw

• Kept Clean 2.13
  18/23 155 1-0
• Under Pressure 2.99
  8/14 117 0-1
• Not Blitzed (28) 2.48
  21/28 187 1-1
• Blitzed (9) 2.39
  5/9 85 0-0
  
  26/37 272 1-1

Passing Concept NFL Passer Rating

• Play Action 96.2
  7/10 86 0-0
• No Play Action 86.3
  19/27 186 1-1
• Screen 93.8
  6/6 39 0-0
• No Screen 84.5
  20/31 233 1-1

Passing Depth NFL Passer Rating

• Deep (20+) 39.6
  0/1 0 0-0
• Intermediate (10-19) 158.3
  6/6 135 1-0
• Short (0-9) 57.1
  11/15 78 0-1
• Behind LOS 91.3
  9/10 59 0-0

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Wide Receiver + Tight End +Halfback

• Lions targeted MLB Luke Masterson 8 times, all completions, for 104 yards including 70 YAC. 3 each to Gibbs and ARSB, 1 to Kalif and 1 to Jamo.
• On the 44 yarder to St Brown, we isolated WLB Amari Burny. Great job by Ben Johnson finding the soft spots in their zone and isolating the weak links.
• Jamo and Sam were each credited with 1 drop.

Name	Snaps	Slot	Wide	Inline	Routes Run	Targets	Rec-Yards	PFF REC Grade	NFL Pass Rtg
Gibbs	60	3	4	0	28	5	5-37	88.2	97.5
St Brown	79	18	18	0	35	8	6-108	74.7	77.1
LaPorta	81	11	8	19	35	10	8-57-1	74.2	123.8
C Reynolds	24	0	2	0	7	1	1-12	65.5	116.7
Wright	46	1	2	12	10	1	1-5	64.7	87.5
Raymond	21	10	4	0	14	3	2-24	62.7	91.0
Williams	34	4	10	0	13	3	2-16	55.5	79.9
J Reynolds	71	11	23	0	33	1	1-13	46.9	118.8

• Missed Tackles Forced: Gibbs led the NFL with 6 MTF in Week 1, 3 since. Last night he forced 7 more, now has 16 on the year.
• Gibbs gained 102 of his 152 yards after contact.
• Craig Reynolds gained 50 of his 74 yards after contact and had 2 MTF.

quick explain about Directional Rushing:

LE LT LG ML MR RG RT RE
__TE_LT_LG_C_RG_RT_TE__

The ML & MR runs are A gap runs, between the C and the G on either side.
The LG & RG runs are B gap runs, between the G and the T on either side.
The LT & RT runs are gap runs between the T and the TE on either side.
The LE & RE runs are sweeps outside the TE on either side.

Hope that makes sense.

Name	LE	LT	LG	ML	MR	RG	RT	RE	TOTAL
Gibbs	2-12	1-4	3-32	5-12	9-54	2-20	0-0	4-18	26-152
Reynolds	2-15	1-5	2-13	3-7	3-21	1-0	2-13	0-0	14-74

Gibbs had chunk runs of 27, 24, 17 & 11 yards.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I need to go back & look at my off-season notes from 2022

IIRC he was pretty raw coming out

Dude has a rep as having a phenomenal work ethic

Really honed the finer points of his craft

OK I was mixed up, it was his Y2 leap that impressed me so much. 5 Star recruit out of Cass Tech, Gatorade Player of the Year, never really put it together at U of M - not a single 100 yard game. But being a big-bodied WR and with the typical excellent combine testing we always see from Wolverines, he was worth a 6th round pick. Ran 4.48, 44" vertical, 9.63 RAS. I would ignore his NFL Draft Profile for the most part bc this is a kid who really went to work in Y2 and Y3, impressing in drills in OTAs, minicamp, TC - I'm impressed, late bloomer in some ways who just fought his way onto the field through sheer force of will. After a decent productive season in 2022 - 9 games with 50 yards or more - he has been phased out this season.

Logged 80% of snaps in 6 out of 7 games but they simply went away from targeting him (i.e., I need to ask someone in the Browns thread, I own Njoku as a backup and the DST but haven't been viewing their All 22 film at all.

His PFF grades on targets over 20 yard are phenomenal. 26 receptions over 20 yards in 2021-22.

We're talking modest production, similar to say Josh this year or DJ last season. I'm not expecting much here but he's a solid pro and appears to be a great fit. For the Browns, they get a pick for a guy on the last season of his rookie deal and open the pathway for rookie Cedric Tillman. For the Lions, decent depth piece once they get him integrated.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Lesson of the day: lose to Lions - lose your job

 

[Da Guru]

Chase Young only garnered a third rd pick? Paired with Bosa he should be formidable force to deal with.

 

[Moonlight]

Pain Lesson of the day: lose to Lions - lose your job

Nice golden parachute for McDaniels. Gets paid mega millions for sitting on his butt for the next 4 1/2 years.

Good non-work if you can find it.

 

[Foosball God]

Chase Young only garnered a third rd pick? Paired with Bosa he should be formidable force to deal with.

Yeah, if that's all he cost I feel like the Lions should have been in on that.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Chase Young only garnered a third rd pick? Paired with Bosa he should be formidable force to deal with.

Yeah, if that's all he cost I feel like the Lions should have been in on that.

IMO the single biggest separator betwixt Eagles/49ers & the Lions is the quality of depth at DL

Could have addressed it on draft day, again here at the trade deadline. It’s vexing.

 

[Da Guru]

Chase Young only garnered a third rd pick? Paired with Bosa he should be formidable force to deal with.

Yeah, if that's all he cost I feel like the Lions should have been in on that.

IMO the single biggest separator betwixt Eagles/49ers & the Lions is the quality of depth at DL

Could have addressed it on draft day, again here at the trade deadline. It’s vexing.

Saving big Broderick Martin for the playoffs!

 

[BobbyLayne]

Brodric

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Injury update: James Houston could return to Detroit Lions in 2023

www-prideofdetroit-com.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

THE THRILL OF DEFEAT​

My life has been shaped by watching the Detroit Lions lose. Who will I be if they start winning?

(The Athletic)

I had totally missed this article when it came out a couple months ago, but just stumbled on it tonight and it's fantastic! I'm a decade older than the author, but the multi-generational aspect of the story really spoke to me. My relationship with my dad has largely been formed around sports, and Detroit sports in particular, and the Lions in particular particular. Meanwhile, my eight-year-old is just getting into football this year, and it's been great that the local team (Dolphins) and my favorite team are both having fantastic seasons. His innocence in having no idea of either franchise's tortured history is touching, though I suspect he'll learn eventually.

(Just FYI, it ran in The Atlantic, not The Athletic)

 

[BobbyLayne]

Lions must have similar feelings about Jamo as I do. Adding DPJ really shores up the position by adding quality depth and a guy you can trust to do the basic’s needed at the position.

We’re 10 games in now, 199 snaps, 23 targets, 7 receptions, 7 drops, 2 TDs, 152 yards on 8 touches (19.0 YPT.)

Will be interesting if they keep giving 44% & 40% of snaps. He produces so little and continues to make so many mistakes - tipping plays, not getting off the line, dropping every other catchable ball - it’s fair to ask when they put a damper on the development/experiment. Open question if he hurts the team more than he helps.

110th ranked WR by PFF grade for players with 15 or more targets. $17M committed to literally the worst receiver in football.

Only good thing is he has no GTD money, went away with the suspension.

 

[jon_mx]

Lions must have similar feelings about Jamo as I do. Adding DPJ really shores up the position by adding quality depth and a guy you can trust to do the basic’s needed at the position.

We’re 10 games in now, 199 snaps, 23 targets, 7 receptions, 7 drops, 2 TDs, 152 yards on 8 touches (19.0 YPT.)

Will be interesting if they keep giving 44% & 40% of snaps. He produces so little and continues to make so many mistakes - tipping plays, not getting off the line, dropping every other catchable ball - it’s fair to ask when they put a damper on the development/experiment. Open question if he hurts the team more than he helps.

110th ranked WR by PFF grade for players with 15 or more targets. $17M committed to literally the worst receiver in football.

Only good thing is he has no GTD money, went away with the suspension.

'Literally the worst reciever in football'....get off the leadge. He is still basically a rookie. He has not cost us a game yet and he played a key role in winning one. His cap hit averages roughly only $5 million a year for the next three season. He is a hard worker who loves football and gives 100 percent even if he is just asked to block. It took Alim into his third season before he looked like a stud. Very few players come into the league and look like a stud like Sam LaPorta has. Jamo may not have the sharpest football mind and has issues catching with his hands away from his body, but he is still the fastest MFer on the field and is illusive as anyone in football. We have 9 games left and 6 of them should be cake where we can work him into the game plan more. He is a weapon who can help us win championships even if he only gets 1 or 2 touches a game. That is how dangerous he is.

 

[BobbyLayne]

leadge

ledge

 

[BobbyLayne]

It took Alim into his third season before he looked like a stud.

Starting & contributing from from day one. Blasphemy putting Jamo on his level.

 

[BobbyLayne]

he only gets 1 or 2 touches a game

Sounds about right, that’s how many he has earned based on his tape.

 

[msudaisy26]

Lions must have similar feelings about Jamo as I do. Adding DPJ really shores up the position by adding quality depth and a guy you can trust to do the basic’s needed at the position.

We’re 10 games in now, 199 snaps, 23 targets, 7 receptions, 7 drops, 2 TDs, 152 yards on 8 touches (19.0 YPT.)

Will be interesting if they keep giving 44% & 40% of snaps. He produces so little and continues to make so many mistakes - tipping plays, not getting off the line, dropping every other catchable ball - it’s fair to ask when they put a damper on the development/experiment. Open question if he hurts the team more than he helps.

110th ranked WR by PFF grade for players with 15 or more targets. $17M committed to literally the worst receiver in football.

Only good thing is he has no GTD money, went away with the suspension.

'Literally the worst reciever in football'....get off the leadge. He is still basically a rookie. He has not cost us a game yet and he played a key role in winning one. His cap hit averages roughly only $5 million a year for the next three season. He is a hard worker who loves football and gives 100 percent even if he is just asked to block. It took Alim into his third season before he looked like a stud. Very few players come into the league and look like a stud like Sam LaPorta has. Jamo may not have the sharpest football mind and has issues catching with his hands away from his body, but he is still the fastest MFer on the field and is illusive as anyone in football. We have 9 games left and 6 of them should be cake where we can work him into the game plan more. He is a weapon who can help us win championships even if he only gets 1 or 2 touches a game. That is how dangerous he is.

Take off the Honolulu Blue sun glasses. Being fast doesn't make you a good football player, working hard doesn't make you a good football player, making excuses for Jameson doesn't make him a better football player.

Sure players develop at different rates, he isn't showing growth. Having a 30 percent drop rate as a defensive back would be a problem and he is a wr.

Just because your favorite team drafted him and you want him to be good doesn't mean the Lions didn't make a mistake. Holmes isn't a bad GM because they gambled on a guy and lost.

Jameson has been so bad he needs to put together months of good practices and games before the Lions and the fans should consider him worthy of demanding targets and being considered an asset for this team. We all hope it happens, but if we are being realistic it probably won't, if we are being optimistic it may happen, but not this year, if we are being homers it is only a matter of when and it will be soon.

 

[BobbyLayne]

On a positive note

Dan Miller Calls of the Game

 

[Da Guru]

Brodric

Was thinking of Matthew Broderick.

Lions must have similar feelings about Jamo as I do. Adding DPJ really shores up the position by adding quality depth and a guy you can trust to do the basic’s needed at the position.

We’re 10 games in now, 199 snaps, 23 targets, 7 receptions, 7 drops, 2 TDs, 152 yards on 8 touches (19.0 YPT.)

Will be interesting if they keep giving 44% & 40% of snaps. He produces so little and continues to make so many mistakes - tipping plays, not getting off the line, dropping every other catchable ball - it’s fair to ask when they put a damper on the development/experiment. Open question if he hurts the team more than he helps.

110th ranked WR by PFF grade for players with 15 or more targets. $17M committed to literally the worst receiver in football.

Only good thing is he has no GTD money, went away with the suspension.

'Literally the worst reciever in football'....get off the leadge. He is still basically a rookie. He has not cost us a game yet and he played a key role in winning one. His cap hit averages roughly only $5 million a year for the next three season. He is a hard worker who loves football and gives 100 percent even if he is just asked to block. It took Alim into his third season before he looked like a stud. Very few players come into the league and look like a stud like Sam LaPorta has. Jamo may not have the sharpest football mind and has issues catching with his hands away from his body, but he is still the fastest MFer on the field and is illusive as anyone in football. We have 9 games left and 6 of them should be cake where we can work him into the game plan more. He is a weapon who can help us win championships even if he only gets 1 or 2 touches a game. That is how dangerous he is.

At this point all Williams has shown is that he is fast. Not a good route runner, lining up incorrectly a number of times, ball location has not been good, and drops. I think that is why DC said when what is expected of Williams "We just need him to be where is supposed to be" Never heard a HC say that before.

There have been many fast WRs who never make it big. Williams reminds me a little of Heyward-Bey who had lightning speed yet could never pick up the nuances of being a quality NFL WR.


Heyward-Bey was a three-year starter at Maryland, earning second-team All-ACC honors in 2006 and finishing second in school history with 2,089 career receiving yards. However, when Heyward-Bey declared for the NFL draft after his junior season, many thought that he would have to wait until players like Michael Crabtree and Jeremy Maclin had been picked to hear his name called.

That all changed when Heyward-Bey ran a 4.30 40-yard dash at the combine and the Oakland Raiders fell in love, making him the first receiver drafted with the No. 7 pick. He had his best season as a professional in 2011, catching 64 passes for 975 yards and four touchdowns. However, in five of his seven seasons as a pro, Heyward-Bey bounced around and posted 366 receiving yards or less.

All Lion fans want Williams to be a star. Hopefully that happens one day but early returns do not look very good.

 

[jon_mx]

Lions must have similar feelings about Jamo as I do. Adding DPJ really shores up the position by adding quality depth and a guy you can trust to do the basic’s needed at the position.

We’re 10 games in now, 199 snaps, 23 targets, 7 receptions, 7 drops, 2 TDs, 152 yards on 8 touches (19.0 YPT.)

Will be interesting if they keep giving 44% & 40% of snaps. He produces so little and continues to make so many mistakes - tipping plays, not getting off the line, dropping every other catchable ball - it’s fair to ask when they put a damper on the development/experiment. Open question if he hurts the team more than he helps.

110th ranked WR by PFF grade for players with 15 or more targets. $17M committed to literally the worst receiver in football.

Only good thing is he has no GTD money, went away with the suspension.

'Literally the worst reciever in football'....get off the leadge. He is still basically a rookie. He has not cost us a game yet and he played a key role in winning one. His cap hit averages roughly only $5 million a year for the next three season. He is a hard worker who loves football and gives 100 percent even if he is just asked to block. It took Alim into his third season before he looked like a stud. Very few players come into the league and look like a stud like Sam LaPorta has. Jamo may not have the sharpest football mind and has issues catching with his hands away from his body, but he is still the fastest MFer on the field and is illusive as anyone in football. We have 9 games left and 6 of them should be cake where we can work him into the game plan more. He is a weapon who can help us win championships even if he only gets 1 or 2 touches a game. That is how dangerous he is.

Take off the Honolulu Blue sun glasses. Being fast doesn't make you a good football player, working hard doesn't make you a good football player, making excuses for Jameson doesn't make him a better football player.

Sure players develop at different rates, he isn't showing growth. Having a 30 percent drop rate as a defensive back would be a problem and he is a wr.

Just because your favorite team drafted him and you want him to be good doesn't mean the Lions didn't make a mistake. Holmes isn't a bad GM because they gambled on a guy and lost.

Jameson has been so bad he needs to put together months of good practices and games before the Lions and the fans should consider him worthy of demanding targets and being considered an asset for this team. We all hope it happens, but if we are being realistic it probably won't, if we are being optimistic it may happen, but not this year, if we are being homers it is only a matter of when and it will be soon.

SOL Conventional Wisdom:

1. 4th round WR never pan out. ARSB

2. Don't waste a high draft pick on another Iowa TE, they certainly won't contribute year 1. Sam LaPorta.

3. 1st round RB are a waste. Jahmyr Gibbs.


Brad Holmes seems to be proven correct most every time. Looks like he miscalculated Levi's injury. I think the bitching about the Trinity Benson trade for a 6th/7th swap is ridiculous. Jack Campbell has shown signs, but time will tell if he was worthy. You just need to watch Jamo's tape at Alabama to see the kid has real football skills and is far more than just speed. It is way to early to give up on Jamo.

Sorry, I trust Brad Holmes more than the conventional wisdom/advance metrics say. There are attributes which don't show up in stats. They built a real culture and brought in talent here that went from a total ****e show to a top 3 offense and a top 10 defense in a two year period. They have cleaned up all the wasted cap space, have a boatload of young talent and are set to be a top NFC team for the next 3 to 4 years. I have faith that guys like Sorsdal, Martin, Campbell and yes even Jamo will pan out, despite all the bitching from the experts. That is not kool-aid drinking, that is trusting a process that has been highly successful and is on the verge of ending 60 years of futility. BTW, it is less than halfway through the season on the division title is virtually a lock.

 

[msudaisy26]

Lions must have similar feelings about Jamo as I do. Adding DPJ really shores up the position by adding quality depth and a guy you can trust to do the basic’s needed at the position.

We’re 10 games in now, 199 snaps, 23 targets, 7 receptions, 7 drops, 2 TDs, 152 yards on 8 touches (19.0 YPT.)

Will be interesting if they keep giving 44% & 40% of snaps. He produces so little and continues to make so many mistakes - tipping plays, not getting off the line, dropping every other catchable ball - it’s fair to ask when they put a damper on the development/experiment. Open question if he hurts the team more than he helps.

110th ranked WR by PFF grade for players with 15 or more targets. $17M committed to literally the worst receiver in football.

Only good thing is he has no GTD money, went away with the suspension.

'Literally the worst reciever in football'....get off the leadge. He is still basically a rookie. He has not cost us a game yet and he played a key role in winning one. His cap hit averages roughly only $5 million a year for the next three season. He is a hard worker who loves football and gives 100 percent even if he is just asked to block. It took Alim into his third season before he looked like a stud. Very few players come into the league and look like a stud like Sam LaPorta has. Jamo may not have the sharpest football mind and has issues catching with his hands away from his body, but he is still the fastest MFer on the field and is illusive as anyone in football. We have 9 games left and 6 of them should be cake where we can work him into the game plan more. He is a weapon who can help us win championships even if he only gets 1 or 2 touches a game. That is how dangerous he is.

Take off the Honolulu Blue sun glasses. Being fast doesn't make you a good football player, working hard doesn't make you a good football player, making excuses for Jameson doesn't make him a better football player.

Sure players develop at different rates, he isn't showing growth. Having a 30 percent drop rate as a defensive back would be a problem and he is a wr.

Just because your favorite team drafted him and you want him to be good doesn't mean the Lions didn't make a mistake. Holmes isn't a bad GM because they gambled on a guy and lost.

Jameson has been so bad he needs to put together months of good practices and games before the Lions and the fans should consider him worthy of demanding targets and being considered an asset for this team. We all hope it happens, but if we are being realistic it probably won't, if we are being optimistic it may happen, but not this year, if we are being homers it is only a matter of when and it will be soon.

SOL Conventional Wisdom:

1. 4th round WR never pan out. ARSB

2. Don't waste a high draft pick on another Iowa TE, they certainly won't contribute year 1. Sam LaPorta.

3. 1st round RB are a waste. Jahmyr Gibbs.


Brad Holmes seems to be proven correct most every time. Looks like he miscalculated Levi's injury. I think the bitching about the Trinity Benson trade for a 6th/7th swap is ridiculous. Jack Campbell has shown signs, but time will tell if he was worthy. You just need to watch Jamo's tape at Alabama to see the kid has real football skills and is far more than just speed. It is way to early to give up on Jamo.

Sorry, I trust Brad Holmes more than the conventional wisdom/advance metrics say. There are attributes which don't show up in stats. They built a real culture and brought in talent here that went from a total ****e show to a top 3 offense and a top 10 defense in a two year period. They have cleaned up all the wasted cap space, have a boatload of young talent and are set to be a top NFC team for the next 3 to 4 years. I have faith that guys like Sorsdal, Martin, Campbell and yes even Jamo will pan out, despite all the bitching from the experts. That is not kool-aid drinking, that is trusting a process that has been highly successful and is on the verge of ending 60 years of futility. BTW, it is less than halfway through the season on the division title is virtually a lock.

What the hell are you even talking about? Jameson looks awful, no one gets them all right. The fact that the Lions will throw anyone out there if they are performing makes Jameson look worse.

 

[Da Guru]

Lions must have similar feelings about Jamo as I do. Adding DPJ really shores up the position by adding quality depth and a guy you can trust to do the basic’s needed at the position.

We’re 10 games in now, 199 snaps, 23 targets, 7 receptions, 7 drops, 2 TDs, 152 yards on 8 touches (19.0 YPT.)

Will be interesting if they keep giving 44% & 40% of snaps. He produces so little and continues to make so many mistakes - tipping plays, not getting off the line, dropping every other catchable ball - it’s fair to ask when they put a damper on the development/experiment. Open question if he hurts the team more than he helps.

110th ranked WR by PFF grade for players with 15 or more targets. $17M committed to literally the worst receiver in football.

Only good thing is he has no GTD money, went away with the suspension.

'Literally the worst reciever in football'....get off the leadge. He is still basically a rookie. He has not cost us a game yet and he played a key role in winning one. His cap hit averages roughly only $5 million a year for the next three season. He is a hard worker who loves football and gives 100 percent even if he is just asked to block. It took Alim into his third season before he looked like a stud. Very few players come into the league and look like a stud like Sam LaPorta has. Jamo may not have the sharpest football mind and has issues catching with his hands away from his body, but he is still the fastest MFer on the field and is illusive as anyone in football. We have 9 games left and 6 of them should be cake where we can work him into the game plan more. He is a weapon who can help us win championships even if he only gets 1 or 2 touches a game. That is how dangerous he is.

Take off the Honolulu Blue sun glasses. Being fast doesn't make you a good football player, working hard doesn't make you a good football player, making excuses for Jameson doesn't make him a better football player.

Sure players develop at different rates, he isn't showing growth. Having a 30 percent drop rate as a defensive back would be a problem and he is a wr.

Just because your favorite team drafted him and you want him to be good doesn't mean the Lions didn't make a mistake. Holmes isn't a bad GM because they gambled on a guy and lost.

Jameson has been so bad he needs to put together months of good practices and games before the Lions and the fans should consider him worthy of demanding targets and being considered an asset for this team. We all hope it happens, but if we are being realistic it probably won't, if we are being optimistic it may happen, but not this year, if we are being homers it is only a matter of when and it will be soon.

SOL Conventional Wisdom:

1. 4th round WR never pan out. ARSB

2. Don't waste a high draft pick on another Iowa TE, they certainly won't contribute year 1. Sam LaPorta.

3. 1st round RB are a waste. Jahmyr Gibbs.


Brad Holmes seems to be proven correct most every time. Looks like he miscalculated Levi's injury. I think the bitching about the Trinity Benson trade for a 6th/7th swap is ridiculous. Jack Campbell has shown signs, but time will tell if he was worthy. You just need to watch Jamo's tape at Alabama to see the kid has real football skills and is far more than just speed. It is way to early to give up on Jamo.

Sorry, I trust Brad Holmes more than the conventional wisdom/advance metrics say. There are attributes which don't show up in stats. They built a real culture and brought in talent here that went from a total ****e show to a top 3 offense and a top 10 defense in a two year period. They have cleaned up all the wasted cap space, have a boatload of young talent and are set to be a top NFC team for the next 3 to 4 years. I have faith that guys like Sorsdal, Martin, Campbell and yes even Jamo will pan out, despite all the bitching from the experts. That is not kool-aid drinking, that is trusting a process that has been highly successful and is on the verge of ending 60 years of futility. BTW, it is less than halfway through the season on the division title is virtually a lock.

When 4th round WRs pan out it is a bonus, believe me if Holmes or any GM thought St Brown was this good there would not have been 112 players taken in before him. Thankfully the Lions had St Brown as best available at the time and took him.

St Brown has proven over and over that playing WR is not all about 4.3 speed. Great hands, sharp routes, high WR IQ.

LaPorta was taken what 34-35th overall? That is about where TEs start getting drafted. I don`t consider that taken high. 7-10 is high.

All Lions fans want Williams to be a star, they just need to see something to believe it will happen. Seems like you take it personal that he has underperformed.

 

[jon_mx]

Lions must have similar feelings about Jamo as I do. Adding DPJ really shores up the position by adding quality depth and a guy you can trust to do the basic’s needed at the position.

We’re 10 games in now, 199 snaps, 23 targets, 7 receptions, 7 drops, 2 TDs, 152 yards on 8 touches (19.0 YPT.)

Will be interesting if they keep giving 44% & 40% of snaps. He produces so little and continues to make so many mistakes - tipping plays, not getting off the line, dropping every other catchable ball - it’s fair to ask when they put a damper on the development/experiment. Open question if he hurts the team more than he helps.

110th ranked WR by PFF grade for players with 15 or more targets. $17M committed to literally the worst receiver in football.

Only good thing is he has no GTD money, went away with the suspension.

'Literally the worst reciever in football'....get off the leadge. He is still basically a rookie. He has not cost us a game yet and he played a key role in winning one. His cap hit averages roughly only $5 million a year for the next three season. He is a hard worker who loves football and gives 100 percent even if he is just asked to block. It took Alim into his third season before he looked like a stud. Very few players come into the league and look like a stud like Sam LaPorta has. Jamo may not have the sharpest football mind and has issues catching with his hands away from his body, but he is still the fastest MFer on the field and is illusive as anyone in football. We have 9 games left and 6 of them should be cake where we can work him into the game plan more. He is a weapon who can help us win championships even if he only gets 1 or 2 touches a game. That is how dangerous he is.

Take off the Honolulu Blue sun glasses. Being fast doesn't make you a good football player, working hard doesn't make you a good football player, making excuses for Jameson doesn't make him a better football player.

Sure players develop at different rates, he isn't showing growth. Having a 30 percent drop rate as a defensive back would be a problem and he is a wr.

Just because your favorite team drafted him and you want him to be good doesn't mean the Lions didn't make a mistake. Holmes isn't a bad GM because they gambled on a guy and lost.

Jameson has been so bad he needs to put together months of good practices and games before the Lions and the fans should consider him worthy of demanding targets and being considered an asset for this team. We all hope it happens, but if we are being realistic it probably won't, if we are being optimistic it may happen, but not this year, if we are being homers it is only a matter of when and it will be soon.

SOL Conventional Wisdom:

1. 4th round WR never pan out. ARSB

2. Don't waste a high draft pick on another Iowa TE, they certainly won't contribute year 1. Sam LaPorta.

3. 1st round RB are a waste. Jahmyr Gibbs.


Brad Holmes seems to be proven correct most every time. Looks like he miscalculated Levi's injury. I think the bitching about the Trinity Benson trade for a 6th/7th swap is ridiculous. Jack Campbell has shown signs, but time will tell if he was worthy. You just need to watch Jamo's tape at Alabama to see the kid has real football skills and is far more than just speed. It is way to early to give up on Jamo.

Sorry, I trust Brad Holmes more than the conventional wisdom/advance metrics say. There are attributes which don't show up in stats. They built a real culture and brought in talent here that went from a total ****e show to a top 3 offense and a top 10 defense in a two year period. They have cleaned up all the wasted cap space, have a boatload of young talent and are set to be a top NFC team for the next 3 to 4 years. I have faith that guys like Sorsdal, Martin, Campbell and yes even Jamo will pan out, despite all the bitching from the experts. That is not kool-aid drinking, that is trusting a process that has been highly successful and is on the verge of ending 60 years of futility. BTW, it is less than halfway through the season on the division title is virtually a lock.

When 4th round WRs pan out it is a bonus, believe me if Holmes or any GM thought St Brown was this good there would not have been 112 players taken in before him. Thankfully the Lions had St Brown as best available at the time and took him.

St Brown has proven over and over that playing WR is not all about 4.3 speed. Great hands, sharp routes, high WR IQ.

LaPorta was taken what 34-35th overall? That is about where TEs start getting drafted. I don`t consider that taken high. 7-10 is high.

All Lions fans want Williams to be a star, they just need to see something to believe it will happen. Seems like you take it personal that he has underperformed.

Do we need to check the tape on what people were saying about the Lions draft? Nobody liked the Gibbs/Campbell/LaPorta picks on draft day.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Lions must have similar feelings about Jamo as I do. Adding DPJ really shores up the position by adding quality depth and a guy you can trust to do the basic’s needed at the position.

We’re 10 games in now, 199 snaps, 23 targets, 7 receptions, 7 drops, 2 TDs, 152 yards on 8 touches (19.0 YPT.)

Will be interesting if they keep giving 44% & 40% of snaps. He produces so little and continues to make so many mistakes - tipping plays, not getting off the line, dropping every other catchable ball - it’s fair to ask when they put a damper on the development/experiment. Open question if he hurts the team more than he helps.

110th ranked WR by PFF grade for players with 15 or more targets. $17M committed to literally the worst receiver in football.

Only good thing is he has no GTD money, went away with the suspension.

'Literally the worst reciever in football'....get off the leadge. He is still basically a rookie. He has not cost us a game yet and he played a key role in winning one. His cap hit averages roughly only $5 million a year for the next three season. He is a hard worker who loves football and gives 100 percent even if he is just asked to block. It took Alim into his third season before he looked like a stud. Very few players come into the league and look like a stud like Sam LaPorta has. Jamo may not have the sharpest football mind and has issues catching with his hands away from his body, but he is still the fastest MFer on the field and is illusive as anyone in football. We have 9 games left and 6 of them should be cake where we can work him into the game plan more. He is a weapon who can help us win championships even if he only gets 1 or 2 touches a game. That is how dangerous he is.

Take off the Honolulu Blue sun glasses. Being fast doesn't make you a good football player, working hard doesn't make you a good football player, making excuses for Jameson doesn't make him a better football player.

Sure players develop at different rates, he isn't showing growth. Having a 30 percent drop rate as a defensive back would be a problem and he is a wr.

Just because your favorite team drafted him and you want him to be good doesn't mean the Lions didn't make a mistake. Holmes isn't a bad GM because they gambled on a guy and lost.

Jameson has been so bad he needs to put together months of good practices and games before the Lions and the fans should consider him worthy of demanding targets and being considered an asset for this team. We all hope it happens, but if we are being realistic it probably won't, if we are being optimistic it may happen, but not this year, if we are being homers it is only a matter of when and it will be soon.

SOL Conventional Wisdom:

1. 4th round WR never pan out. ARSB

2. Don't waste a high draft pick on another Iowa TE, they certainly won't contribute year 1. Sam LaPorta.

3. 1st round RB are a waste. Jahmyr Gibbs.


Brad Holmes seems to be proven correct most every time. Looks like he miscalculated Levi's injury. I think the bitching about the Trinity Benson trade for a 6th/7th swap is ridiculous. Jack Campbell has shown signs, but time will tell if he was worthy. You just need to watch Jamo's tape at Alabama to see the kid has real football skills and is far more than just speed. It is way to early to give up on Jamo.

Sorry, I trust Brad Holmes more than the conventional wisdom/advance metrics say. There are attributes which don't show up in stats. They built a real culture and brought in talent here that went from a total ****e show to a top 3 offense and a top 10 defense in a two year period. They have cleaned up all the wasted cap space, have a boatload of young talent and are set to be a top NFC team for the next 3 to 4 years. I have faith that guys like Sorsdal, Martin, Campbell and yes even Jamo will pan out, despite all the bitching from the experts. That is not kool-aid drinking, that is trusting a process that has been highly successful and is on the verge of ending 60 years of futility. BTW, it is less than halfway through the season on the division title is virtually a lock.

When 4th round WRs pan out it is a bonus, believe me if Holmes or any GM thought St Brown was this good there would not have been 112 players taken in before him. Thankfully the Lions had St Brown as best available at the time and took him.

St Brown has proven over and over that playing WR is not all about 4.3 speed. Great hands, sharp routes, high WR IQ.

LaPorta was taken what 34-35th overall? That is about where TEs start getting drafted. I don`t consider that taken high. 7-10 is high.

All Lions fans want Williams to be a star, they just need to see something to believe it will happen. Seems like you take it personal that he has underperformed.

Do we need to check the tape on what people were saying about the Lions draft? Nobody liked the Gibbs/Campbell/LaPorta picks on draft day.

False.

It was never about the players.

It was about not utilizing precious draft capital on low value positions. Nobody questioned if Gibbs, Campbell or LaPorta were good. They were skeptical about not using those picks on high value positions (QB, Edge, Corner.)

 

[msudaisy26]

Lions must have similar feelings about Jamo as I do. Adding DPJ really shores up the position by adding quality depth and a guy you can trust to do the basic’s needed at the position.

We’re 10 games in now, 199 snaps, 23 targets, 7 receptions, 7 drops, 2 TDs, 152 yards on 8 touches (19.0 YPT.)

Will be interesting if they keep giving 44% & 40% of snaps. He produces so little and continues to make so many mistakes - tipping plays, not getting off the line, dropping every other catchable ball - it’s fair to ask when they put a damper on the development/experiment. Open question if he hurts the team more than he helps.

110th ranked WR by PFF grade for players with 15 or more targets. $17M committed to literally the worst receiver in football.

Only good thing is he has no GTD money, went away with the suspension.

'Literally the worst reciever in football'....get off the leadge. He is still basically a rookie. He has not cost us a game yet and he played a key role in winning one. His cap hit averages roughly only $5 million a year for the next three season. He is a hard worker who loves football and gives 100 percent even if he is just asked to block. It took Alim into his third season before he looked like a stud. Very few players come into the league and look like a stud like Sam LaPorta has. Jamo may not have the sharpest football mind and has issues catching with his hands away from his body, but he is still the fastest MFer on the field and is illusive as anyone in football. We have 9 games left and 6 of them should be cake where we can work him into the game plan more. He is a weapon who can help us win championships even if he only gets 1 or 2 touches a game. That is how dangerous he is.

Take off the Honolulu Blue sun glasses. Being fast doesn't make you a good football player, working hard doesn't make you a good football player, making excuses for Jameson doesn't make him a better football player.

Sure players develop at different rates, he isn't showing growth. Having a 30 percent drop rate as a defensive back would be a problem and he is a wr.

Just because your favorite team drafted him and you want him to be good doesn't mean the Lions didn't make a mistake. Holmes isn't a bad GM because they gambled on a guy and lost.

Jameson has been so bad he needs to put together months of good practices and games before the Lions and the fans should consider him worthy of demanding targets and being considered an asset for this team. We all hope it happens, but if we are being realistic it probably won't, if we are being optimistic it may happen, but not this year, if we are being homers it is only a matter of when and it will be soon.

SOL Conventional Wisdom:

1. 4th round WR never pan out. ARSB

2. Don't waste a high draft pick on another Iowa TE, they certainly won't contribute year 1. Sam LaPorta.

3. 1st round RB are a waste. Jahmyr Gibbs.


Brad Holmes seems to be proven correct most every time. Looks like he miscalculated Levi's injury. I think the bitching about the Trinity Benson trade for a 6th/7th swap is ridiculous. Jack Campbell has shown signs, but time will tell if he was worthy. You just need to watch Jamo's tape at Alabama to see the kid has real football skills and is far more than just speed. It is way to early to give up on Jamo.

Sorry, I trust Brad Holmes more than the conventional wisdom/advance metrics say. There are attributes which don't show up in stats. They built a real culture and brought in talent here that went from a total ****e show to a top 3 offense and a top 10 defense in a two year period. They have cleaned up all the wasted cap space, have a boatload of young talent and are set to be a top NFC team for the next 3 to 4 years. I have faith that guys like Sorsdal, Martin, Campbell and yes even Jamo will pan out, despite all the bitching from the experts. That is not kool-aid drinking, that is trusting a process that has been highly successful and is on the verge of ending 60 years of futility. BTW, it is less than halfway through the season on the division title is virtually a lock.

When 4th round WRs pan out it is a bonus, believe me if Holmes or any GM thought St Brown was this good there would not have been 112 players taken in before him. Thankfully the Lions had St Brown as best available at the time and took him.

St Brown has proven over and over that playing WR is not all about 4.3 speed. Great hands, sharp routes, high WR IQ.

LaPorta was taken what 34-35th overall? That is about where TEs start getting drafted. I don`t consider that taken high. 7-10 is high.

All Lions fans want Williams to be a star, they just need to see something to believe it will happen. Seems like you take it personal that he has underperformed.

Do we need to check the tape on what people were saying about the Lions draft? Nobody liked the Gibbs/Campbell/LaPorta picks on draft day.

You are taking victory laps after one really good game? A lot of people in here wanted Carter. Some people wanted Gonzalez after they traded down. Your blind faith is fine, but it is absurd to expect us all to have it.

 

[jon_mx]

Lions must have similar feelings about Jamo as I do. Adding DPJ really shores up the position by adding quality depth and a guy you can trust to do the basic’s needed at the position.

We’re 10 games in now, 199 snaps, 23 targets, 7 receptions, 7 drops, 2 TDs, 152 yards on 8 touches (19.0 YPT.)

Will be interesting if they keep giving 44% & 40% of snaps. He produces so little and continues to make so many mistakes - tipping plays, not getting off the line, dropping every other catchable ball - it’s fair to ask when they put a damper on the development/experiment. Open question if he hurts the team more than he helps.

110th ranked WR by PFF grade for players with 15 or more targets. $17M committed to literally the worst receiver in football.

Only good thing is he has no GTD money, went away with the suspension.

'Literally the worst reciever in football'....get off the leadge. He is still basically a rookie. He has not cost us a game yet and he played a key role in winning one. His cap hit averages roughly only $5 million a year for the next three season. He is a hard worker who loves football and gives 100 percent even if he is just asked to block. It took Alim into his third season before he looked like a stud. Very few players come into the league and look like a stud like Sam LaPorta has. Jamo may not have the sharpest football mind and has issues catching with his hands away from his body, but he is still the fastest MFer on the field and is illusive as anyone in football. We have 9 games left and 6 of them should be cake where we can work him into the game plan more. He is a weapon who can help us win championships even if he only gets 1 or 2 touches a game. That is how dangerous he is.

Take off the Honolulu Blue sun glasses. Being fast doesn't make you a good football player, working hard doesn't make you a good football player, making excuses for Jameson doesn't make him a better football player.

Sure players develop at different rates, he isn't showing growth. Having a 30 percent drop rate as a defensive back would be a problem and he is a wr.

Just because your favorite team drafted him and you want him to be good doesn't mean the Lions didn't make a mistake. Holmes isn't a bad GM because they gambled on a guy and lost.

Jameson has been so bad he needs to put together months of good practices and games before the Lions and the fans should consider him worthy of demanding targets and being considered an asset for this team. We all hope it happens, but if we are being realistic it probably won't, if we are being optimistic it may happen, but not this year, if we are being homers it is only a matter of when and it will be soon.

SOL Conventional Wisdom:

1. 4th round WR never pan out. ARSB

2. Don't waste a high draft pick on another Iowa TE, they certainly won't contribute year 1. Sam LaPorta.

3. 1st round RB are a waste. Jahmyr Gibbs.


Brad Holmes seems to be proven correct most every time. Looks like he miscalculated Levi's injury. I think the bitching about the Trinity Benson trade for a 6th/7th swap is ridiculous. Jack Campbell has shown signs, but time will tell if he was worthy. You just need to watch Jamo's tape at Alabama to see the kid has real football skills and is far more than just speed. It is way to early to give up on Jamo.

Sorry, I trust Brad Holmes more than the conventional wisdom/advance metrics say. There are attributes which don't show up in stats. They built a real culture and brought in talent here that went from a total ****e show to a top 3 offense and a top 10 defense in a two year period. They have cleaned up all the wasted cap space, have a boatload of young talent and are set to be a top NFC team for the next 3 to 4 years. I have faith that guys like Sorsdal, Martin, Campbell and yes even Jamo will pan out, despite all the bitching from the experts. That is not kool-aid drinking, that is trusting a process that has been highly successful and is on the verge of ending 60 years of futility. BTW, it is less than halfway through the season on the division title is virtually a lock.

When 4th round WRs pan out it is a bonus, believe me if Holmes or any GM thought St Brown was this good there would not have been 112 players taken in before him. Thankfully the Lions had St Brown as best available at the time and took him.

St Brown has proven over and over that playing WR is not all about 4.3 speed. Great hands, sharp routes, high WR IQ.

LaPorta was taken what 34-35th overall? That is about where TEs start getting drafted. I don`t consider that taken high. 7-10 is high.

All Lions fans want Williams to be a star, they just need to see something to believe it will happen. Seems like you take it personal that he has underperformed.

Do we need to check the tape on what people were saying about the Lions draft? Nobody liked the Gibbs/Campbell/LaPorta picks on draft day.

You are taking victory laps after one really good game? A lot of people in here wanted Carter. Some people wanted Gonzalez after they traded down. Your blind faith is fine, but it is absurd to expect us all to have it.

One game? Gibbs had several very impressive runs in limited touches early in the season. And Gibbs had a good day against the Ravens before having a truly outstanding game against the Raiders.

The Lions have had the 3rd best offense in the NFL for the past season and a half. The homerun threats of Gibbs, Jamo, and Peoples-Jones is going to push it to #1.

It is not blind faith to see and understand the vision the Likns have.

 

[Foosball God]

Hey there, Mr. Blue
We're so pleased to be with you
Look around, see what you do
Everybody smiles at you

 

[Bozeman Bruiser]

On a positive note

Dan Miller Calls of the Game

Did they sack Jimmy G on 4 straight snaps that final drive?

What a defeating (for the Raiders) and dominating (for the Lions) way to end a game.