Leroy Hoard
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I believe in our kicker vs their kicker.TartanLion said:
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2025 Detroit Lions: 4-1 Lions win battle of the big cats. (25 Viewers)
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Angry spiders
Footballguy
What on earth was ron rivera thinking....dumb
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Well the guy was wide open..Newton had all the time in the world and just missed him. Lions still had enough time and all 3 TOs so it was not a bad call.
Another note..stop wearing those all grey uniforms. My daughter said they look like pajamas.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
The guy was wide open and his kicker sucked. I see a couple guys i would blame before the coach.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Angry spiders
Footballguy
That kicker made a 60 yarder to beat someone earlier this year....
The Captain
Footballguy
Please Kerryon not the ACL
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Even if he escapes the acl, can't see him playing on a short week. Looks like Zach might be getting a few carries.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I survived this week starting Wentz and D Cook (2.84 points total.) Lindsay, Kerryon, AB, TY Hilton, et al.
I'll probably start Chubb and Lindsay with a dart throw in the flex.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
White Boy Zach recovered the onside kick to ice the game...give the kid a few carries.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
If you need a yard Blount will get you 2...if you need 3 yards Blount will get you 2.
Loved it on the Lions last drive when the announcer said Lions have one of the best closers in the game in Blount and he promptly gets stuffed.
formerfourdigit
Footballguy
Carlos Monarrez is the nut worst reporter in all of professional sports. Yeah let's "tank" and totally disrespect the 60k people who come out to the stadium every week.
Hopefully we can pull out another "meaningless" Turkey Day win; gonna be tough to move the ball without Jones and Kerryon.
Hopefully we can pull out another "meaningless" Turkey Day win; gonna be tough to move the ball without Jones and Kerryon.
I need a puke emoji for that column. This one just isn't cutting it:
This isn't the NBA, where you generally need a top five lottery pick to really find a difference maker. As long as the Lions draft well, they should be fine. But even in a lost season, a new coach needs to establish a winning attitude and get players to buy into the program. If the Lions were to lose out and finish 4-12, that would be a total disaster.
What I really want to see ROS, more than wins or losses, is the continued development of young guys and Patricia stamping his identity onto the team.
Raging weasel
Footballguy
That win was all thanks to Gano and Cam. 4 points lost from missed xp and 35yd FG and Cam blowing the 2pt play. He had great blocking and looked like he could've run it in himself and then threw a terrible pass to a wide open receiver.
The addition of Snacks has really shored up the run D but still too many problems with coverage.
The addition of Snacks has really shored up the run D but still too many problems with coverage.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Matthew Stafford wore a call sheet on his left arm yesterday. That’s the first time he’s worn one in about 3 years. Speaks volumes about stuff Patricia & the players don’t even bring up - their 2nd best WR was a guy they signed off the street a few weeks ago, best TE was out, and they were using personnel combinations they haven’t used all year due to injuries (& the trade.) One sack after 16 the previous two games was a major accomplishment.
Biggest play of the game:
Biggest play of the game:
The Captain
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Seems obvious the Lions should move on from Matthew Stafford. The only question is when they will actually do it. His contract is untradeable, but can you imagine enduring four more years of this?
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Draft picks are a real crapshoot. FA vet once they build up the rest of the team like minny did? Because there really are a ton of holes elsewhere.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
That 4th down pass that was tipped should have been picked as well. Lions ended up with a TD..even Romo said that pass had no chance to be completed unless tipped.
They can`t do anything with Stafford for at least 2 more seasons without taking a huge cap hit. Plus the Lions would never have the guts to do it anyway. I always thought if they got Stafford out of Detroit he would have success somewhere else. Now not so sure. Right now Case Keenum would be just as good maybe better for pennies on the dollar.
Now Ziggy is playing well again and he will probably not be resigned as he is on a tag
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voiceofunreason
Footballguy
matuski
Footballguy
Really amazed they haven't dumped the franchise QB already, only makes sense. They could probably get Matt Schaub or Tyrod Taylor in here... win a Superbowl, amiright? I mean the rest of the team is stacked.... endless talent everywhere you look. All the Lions need is to gamble a draft pick on a rookie QB or pickup a worse free agent, and they would be right there with the Saints and Rams.
The melodramatics and over reaction of NFL fans are something to behold.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
matuski
Footballguy
Seriously right?
I mean just top level talent at every position. The Lions roster is loaded. Ditch the franchise QB.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Jay Cutler and Mark Sanchez were franchise QBs. Andy Dalton and Jaimes Winston are franchise QBs.
Let’s delay the inevitable because of sunk cost, though.
matuski
Footballguy
Lets take these arguments all the way to their logical ends, shall we?
Jake Plummer
JP Losman
Matt Leinart
Joey Harrington
David Carr
Even Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russel were franchise QBs.
Just like Stafford. Twins. I don't know how you tell them apart.
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Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
Stafford is a great quarterback. He's not a "make lemonade out of lemons and elevates everyone around him" quarterback. He needs talent to succeed.
Unfortunately when he had more talent he was still coming into his own. Now that he's matured, he doesn't have as many weapons. I think if Kerryon Johnson had played in that game, the outcome would have been different. I don't know if Matt Patricia is the answer, but I'd like to see a season of Stafford, Johnson and Golladay as the clear-cut starters and see how they fare.
* Not a Detroit fan, ditched Stafford in fantasy and have Golladay on just one team. So I consider myself pretty objective on this subject. I think the Lions would be crazy to ditch Stafford.
Unfortunately when he had more talent he was still coming into his own. Now that he's matured, he doesn't have as many weapons. I think if Kerryon Johnson had played in that game, the outcome would have been different. I don't know if Matt Patricia is the answer, but I'd like to see a season of Stafford, Johnson and Golladay as the clear-cut starters and see how they fare.
* Not a Detroit fan, ditched Stafford in fantasy and have Golladay on just one team. So I consider myself pretty objective on this subject. I think the Lions would be crazy to ditch Stafford.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Moonlight
Footballguy
Lions scoring down since Tate trade. That trade said the mgt and coach didn't believe in this year's team so losing 4 out of 5 supports that and is then a good long term move.
But giving up that early is a gut punch to fans/players.
But when does Quinn become accountable? At least he had a winning year last year and choosing Kerryon over Guice appears to have been the right choice.
But not running into too many who are optimistic about the team long term.
But giving up that early is a gut punch to fans/players.
But when does Quinn become accountable? At least he had a winning year last year and choosing Kerryon over Guice appears to have been the right choice.
But not running into too many who are optimistic about the team long term.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
You make some good points. This team was going nowhere and that is reflected in his decisions. But going all in for this year would have been freaking crazy.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
It is not only local fans..The national pundits think he is not getting it done. 2 costly picks late in a very winnable game against a QB who had not started in 5 years and their running game was held to under 30 yards. That should have been an easy home win.
matuski
Footballguy
I'm not a local fan, and I am laughing my ### off at the flood of "pundits" coming down on Stafford.
This narrative that it was an easy win, that the expectations were greater for Stafford... ridiculous.
Let's send the guy in without his best OL, a few guys off the street at WR, no RB1, and a defense that took an undrafted backup QB with a couple days prep about 1.5 quarters to figure out. Then, let's call for the QBs head! Get a rope!
Don't care how you slice it.. on the epic list of things wrong in Detroit - Stafford would be near the last.
TartanLion
Footballguy
A lot of these picks seem to be clearly followed by Stafford shouting at the receiver and gesticulating which route they should have been running with his arms. Roberts last night was clearly meant to be going to the back of the end zone. He seemed to change his mind based on the coverage and ended up running a pathetic nothing route where he was of no use to anyone.
What is the grand sum of our offensive talent right now ?
Security blanket and all round good player Tate is gone. Marvin Jones has been injured. Golladay apparently playing through injury. Beyond that we have ...
Ellington - a bland slot receiver who has been with the team two weeks
TJ Jones - a below average receiver who has flashed nothing in 4 years
Wilson/Toilolo/Roberts - a melange of absolute mediocrity at TE that aren’t offering much running up the seam.
All in all a collection of players that haven’t been with the team long or are completely mediocre athleticism wise.
Wrong routes being consistently run
Almost no schematic creativity or motion to help get players open from Cooter.
An average of three seconds protection before needing to release the ball to a depleted and abject collection of receivers.
Chicago were able to win with a backup QB, not because of the backup QB but because they have a sharper mind calling their O and regardless of who is under center they have a stronger collection of athletic players to throw the ball to - Robinson, Miller, Cohen, Burton, Gabriel et al.
Burleson and Romo didn’t seem to think it was Staffords fault last night, they seemed more in tune to the overall problems.
As for LODs posts they don’t even bear responding to as they are at the level of troll worthy. Either that or incredibly uninformed.
Stafford is not having a good season, but he is far from being the primary culprit to our woes this season.
Yeah, right. This guy knows a little bit more than you do: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg36YFneTzg
Go visit Capella in the Winston thread. I demolished him. Was called a troll there and who came out victories? Me. You won't win this one. The guy is awful and was just a average QB with Calvin Johnson. ZERO playoff wins and the #2 defense in the league with Calvin Johnson in one of those years.
Oh and this guy knows more than you as well: https://detroitsportsnation.com/detroit-lions-news/ddrysdale/rich-gannon-thinks-matthew-stafford-is-an-overpaid-loser/11-2018/198273/
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My gawd, this loser has been around for over a decade and make the same mistakes he did when he first came into the NFL. He has had weapons and did jack #### with them. He had one of the greatest WR weapons in the history of football and that guy got tired of Stafford's suckage and retired sacrificing $20 million. That's how bad this guy sucks. He quit because he knew they could not be winners with this guy at QB. When you go a whole 1st half and Calvin Johnson has 1 catch for 12 yards or no catches at all, some one sucks and it's not Calvin Johnson. That happened way more than it should have. When they got him involved from the get go, they had big games. When they didn't they racked up garbage stats in the 4th Q and lost.
Golden arm and 10 cent head. Sure he can dink & dunk it to RBs and short routes and then punt the ball away but his long passes blow. Calvin bailed him out for years. Golladay is making spectacular catches of bad passes now. Everyone had to see the stupid pass he made sidearm this past week. Hit the defender yards in front of the receiver who was double covered by 2 other defenders. The chance of completing that pass was zero. Who attempts that throw? A hack, that's who. There was no reason to throw it. He's got lowlights of that type of garbage.
Like David Carr, everyone blames everything but the QB until there is no one else to blame.
This was 3 years ago and he's way worse now. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2015/oct/13/matthew-stafford-detroit-lions
After his big 2011 season, which came on the heels of a bad rookie season in 2009 and a 2010 season mostly lost to injury, Stafford immediately reverted to the real Matthew Stafford in 2012: throwing just 20 touchdowns and putting up a 79.8 quarterback rating for a 4-12 team. This should have been a red flag to the Lions. Bad season, injury season, good season, bad season. Four years into Stafford’s career, he had one productive year in the books. That’s 25%, a percentage even worse than his completion rate. Only a historically awful franchise would bet the farm on player with that track record. Oh, Lions.
Despite Stafford’s continued decline this season, Jim Caldwell says there is “no quarterback controversy”. Detroit doesn’t owe Stafford any guaranteed money after this year and can dump him in exchange for a $11m cap hit in 2016. At 0-5, the season is already lost. They may as well see if Stafford can recapture any of his 2011 magic.
No, they gave him even more $.
Golden arm and 10 cent head. Sure he can dink & dunk it to RBs and short routes and then punt the ball away but his long passes blow. Calvin bailed him out for years. Golladay is making spectacular catches of bad passes now. Everyone had to see the stupid pass he made sidearm this past week. Hit the defender yards in front of the receiver who was double covered by 2 other defenders. The chance of completing that pass was zero. Who attempts that throw? A hack, that's who. There was no reason to throw it. He's got lowlights of that type of garbage.
Like David Carr, everyone blames everything but the QB until there is no one else to blame.
This was 3 years ago and he's way worse now. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2015/oct/13/matthew-stafford-detroit-lions
After his big 2011 season, which came on the heels of a bad rookie season in 2009 and a 2010 season mostly lost to injury, Stafford immediately reverted to the real Matthew Stafford in 2012: throwing just 20 touchdowns and putting up a 79.8 quarterback rating for a 4-12 team. This should have been a red flag to the Lions. Bad season, injury season, good season, bad season. Four years into Stafford’s career, he had one productive year in the books. That’s 25%, a percentage even worse than his completion rate. Only a historically awful franchise would bet the farm on player with that track record. Oh, Lions.
Despite Stafford’s continued decline this season, Jim Caldwell says there is “no quarterback controversy”. Detroit doesn’t owe Stafford any guaranteed money after this year and can dump him in exchange for a $11m cap hit in 2016. At 0-5, the season is already lost. They may as well see if Stafford can recapture any of his 2011 magic.
No, they gave him even more $.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Solid points but you are wasting your time in here. Lions are supposed to waste a high pick on a qb when there are gaping holes all over this boat. 61 years and counting...
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Stafford is not terrible by any means but he does seem to have a low QB IQ for this being his 10th season.
TartanLion
Footballguy
You can cherry pick all the articles and vids you want LOD, I could just as easily post as many back the way that say the complete reverse, from over the last three years.
Classic case - a collection of articles from around Oct 2015, just before we got rid of full frontal Lombardi and had a sizeable turnaround in our O for the rest of the season. Followed by two massively improved years in 16 and 17.
The game has changed a lot offensively even in the last 3 years, it’s a shame Cooter has basically stood pat with what he brought in in ‘15 and has served up exactly the same fare ever since.
Most of the rest of your posts are just filled with melodramatic, emotive fluff. Zingy one liners that are humourous to read but ultimately devoid of grounded analysis.
A coward with a ten cent head that singularly caused Calvin to retire ( wasn’t anything to do with the overall mediocrity of our owner at the time, the GM, the coaches of course ) bla bla bla. Laughable posting.
Paper thin arguments like ZERO playoff wins. Unfortunately Stafford doesn’t have the luxury of let’s say an Osweiler getting to play the Raiders at home against their third string QB Connor Cook. Instead he’s a young QB on the road against the Saints, on the road against the Cowboys where he has a great game and we get shafted, or on the road against the Seahawk’s with an impaired and injured hand. But no, just stick to the paper thin one liners
What was your opinion of Rivers when he led the the league in interceptions and posted back to back records of 5-11 and 4-12 ?
If there’s one pattern I’ve noticed regarding NFL in the many years I’ve been a fan of it, it’s the tendency to completely underestimate all the personnel around the QB from players to coaches to front office, and to overestimate what the QB can and should be managing completely on his own, when trying to discern how good a Qb actually is.
How would Wentz, Luck, Goffs careers have developed if they were drafted by the Browns and the reverse with some QBs who were drafted by car crash clubs and completely mismanaged. Perhaps they would have made something of themselves if drafted by the likes of the Patriots, Seahawks and other well run teams.
Classic case - a collection of articles from around Oct 2015, just before we got rid of full frontal Lombardi and had a sizeable turnaround in our O for the rest of the season. Followed by two massively improved years in 16 and 17.
The game has changed a lot offensively even in the last 3 years, it’s a shame Cooter has basically stood pat with what he brought in in ‘15 and has served up exactly the same fare ever since.
Most of the rest of your posts are just filled with melodramatic, emotive fluff. Zingy one liners that are humourous to read but ultimately devoid of grounded analysis.
A coward with a ten cent head that singularly caused Calvin to retire ( wasn’t anything to do with the overall mediocrity of our owner at the time, the GM, the coaches of course ) bla bla bla. Laughable posting.
Paper thin arguments like ZERO playoff wins. Unfortunately Stafford doesn’t have the luxury of let’s say an Osweiler getting to play the Raiders at home against their third string QB Connor Cook. Instead he’s a young QB on the road against the Saints, on the road against the Cowboys where he has a great game and we get shafted, or on the road against the Seahawk’s with an impaired and injured hand. But no, just stick to the paper thin one liners
What was your opinion of Rivers when he led the the league in interceptions and posted back to back records of 5-11 and 4-12 ?
If there’s one pattern I’ve noticed regarding NFL in the many years I’ve been a fan of it, it’s the tendency to completely underestimate all the personnel around the QB from players to coaches to front office, and to overestimate what the QB can and should be managing completely on his own, when trying to discern how good a Qb actually is.
How would Wentz, Luck, Goffs careers have developed if they were drafted by the Browns and the reverse with some QBs who were drafted by car crash clubs and completely mismanaged. Perhaps they would have made something of themselves if drafted by the likes of the Patriots, Seahawks and other well run teams.
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Ive always said that if the lions had drafted brady, he would still be running the practice squad.
TartanLion
Footballguy
I have no idea. I should have heeded my own advice and not bothered. Just a bit annoying having the Lions thread, which usually is a fair and relatively darkly comedic discussion amongst us fans that actually watch every snap played, polluted with absolute horse muck.Out of curiosity why do some of you discuss anything with LOD? Most of us figured out long ago how to use the ignore function.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
If the Lions had drafted Emmitt Smith instead of Barry it would be Emmitt who? Emmitt would have been a nobody.
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I haven't engaged that clown for years. I do, however, love to mock his butthurt over the suboptimal use of Megatron when he owned him in dynasty. I suspect he'll still be compaining about it in 2022 after Stafford wins the SB MVP.
