2025 Philadelphia Eagles - The Denver Collapse (25 Viewers)

[DJackson10]

Listening on the radio, Hugh Douglas relayed some concerning conversations he's had with current players in the last day or so. Basically he said that he texted a few guys on the team that he's friends with to inquire about whats going on with AJ Brown. Said he immediately got a bunch of calls back from these players that told him they weren't going to touch that. He said that his sense in talking to these guys was that whatever the problem is, its bigger than football. And that at least one of the guys said, "hey man, its BAD bad."

The assumption here is that its a continuation of the broken relationship with Jalen that BG spoke out about last year. This is starting to smell like some Donovan/TO type stuff, except that they at least were able to look past the personal problems and produce on the field. If these guys can't work through whatever this is, it has the potential to derail this season.

That’s basically what I’ve heard. The relationship between Hurts and AJ is shattered. No one like I said before the season even wants to touch on what the issue/s was/were that happened between the 2, where it’s at the point you figured it must be really bad if no one is talking about it. It seems that Hurts has tried to work things out but talking to a wall at this point. I’ll be shocked if AJ Brown is on the Eagles Roster come training camp in 2026 yet alone opening day.

Most people who have said anything did say for BG to speak like he did publicly last year tells you how bad it is if you are anywhere near that team. There’s only a few guys in there who could do what BG did outting it publicly and both are now retired (other obviously Kelce) and BG was talking and calling out AJ more so then Hurts but didn’t want it to look like he was singling out one guy. Hurts had no issue with it at all.

But yeah it’s BAD. Like bad enough if it wasn’t such a huge cap hit he’d have been gone this past Offseason

 

[DJackson10]

Listening on the radio, Hugh Douglas relayed some concerning conversations he's had with current players in the last day or so. Basically he said that he texted a few guys on the team that he's friends with to inquire about whats going on with AJ Brown. Said he immediately got a bunch of calls back from these players that told him they weren't going to touch that. He said that his sense in talking to these guys was that whatever the problem is, its bigger than football. And that at least one of the guys said, "hey man, its BAD bad."

The assumption here is that its a continuation of the broken relationship with Jalen that BG spoke out about last year. This is starting to smell like some Donovan/TO type stuff, except that they at least were able to look past the personal problems and produce on the field. If these guys can't work through whatever this is, it has the potential to derail this season.

I think half of this to 75% is for the clicks and views. If you look at what AJ said after the SB it’s pretty simple. He just wants the ball and the fame that comes with being a dominate WR. All this other “story time” stuff is typical Philly reporter nonsense.

*ETA* the quote following the SB win:

“I tried to feel how everyone made it seem to be a champion and unfortunately it was short lived.. 2 days to be exact lol.. I thought my hard work would be justified by winning it all. It wasn't. My thrill for this game comes when i dominate. It's the Hunt that does it for me. It's when the Db drops his head and surrender because he can't F with me.”

It you remember the game vs ATL home opener where we lost, there was a point in that game where AJ was very adamant on the sideline that the cameras picked up. Hurts was just standing there almost like it was going in one ear and out the other (more so ok AJ you feel better now that you let it out). I mentioned something in the game thread of “oh that doesn’t look good at all and could need to keep an eye on this” type thing.

Something is going on. And everyone definately seems to be blaming AJ as anyone who mentions anything about this says Hurts has tried everything to mend this no avail.

 

[BladeRunner]

Is AJ breaking up with us?

He grabbed his keys and said he was just going out for smokes.

Just friggin fix the passing offense man. This isn't THAT hard....

You can't fix the passing offense because Hurts cannot sustain a passing offense. He's running QB first and foremost. He runs because he can't pass very well and the offense is built around that, not passing. Heck, even running he can barely get over the goal line w/out needing help.

When the tush push gets banned next year he's going to be in trouble.

JFC, would you quit with the anti tush push stuff? It is NOT what has made Hurts effective, that's an absurd statement that has been debunked statistically numerous times

Just because you disagree with it does not make it "debunked".

Your opinion is greatly appreciated but don't try to pass that off as fact.

Packers fan right? Tied the Cowboys right?

Let me know if I'm wrong, trying to set a foundation of reality here

Distraction won't work. Regardless of whatever team I may root for, that doesn't change the fact that Hurts isn't a very good passer.

I realize you want to change the narrative because, well, SIDEZ!!!, but looking to attack the messenger is not how you win arguments.

You are coming into a thread of the Super Bowl Champs from last year, who are off to a 4-0 start while not looking good at all - but beating 2 for sure playoff teams, probably another in the Chiefs, but also beating the team you guys literally just tied with, while they were at full strength.

Might want to look into the mirror to see who is trying to distract who

Hurts is 4 win away from breaking the all-time record for most wins in a row by a QB.

You guys are letting a poster who's team just tied the Cowboys, a team that a Hurts led team beat multiple times last season. You're letting that guy derail the thread with demurrer arguments?

See the post above. Ad-Hominem attacks don't disprove my argument and they certainly don't prove yours.

You should learn what demurrer means. Here is a translation: Even if everything you said was true . . . so what?

You're argument is a nothing argument because the things that you're arguing really don't matter when it comes to being a winning QB.

Not talking about the Eagles, I'm talking about Hurts. Is there some kind of Eagles Review Board I have to submit questions to in order to get a topic to talk about approved?

Be better than using Ad-Hominem attacks at posters simply because you don't want discuss and/or face a topic.

Saying a person is using a demurrer argument isn't an ad hominem attack. It's an attack on the argument which in this case is specious to begin with, and not really relevant at all to what matters for winning football games.

It's not specious to the original statement to which I responded to, which was "fix the passing offense", which I literally stated in the post directly above yours.

I feel like you just wanted to use the word "demurrer" in a sentence to a) dismiss the topic w/out actually addressing the argument being put forth and b) show everyone how cool you are by using one of them fancy words.

Specious means plausible but actually wrong. Just this morning, Ron Jaworski after watching the All-22s of the TB game said, "AJ Brown was not getting open." So yes, your argument is specious.

As for my use of the term demurrer and your reply. . . this is an example of an ad hominem attack. See the difference?

I respect your OPINION, but it's nothing but an opinion and doesn't do anything to a) disprove my point or b) prove yours.

You may think it's "specious" but, again, it's just a way for you to avoid having to talk about the topic. Again, while I respect your opinion, I must "demur" on your analysis as it seems to me it's simply a case of Homerism.

The problem is that statistics are NOT opinion, and you repeatedly ignore the statistics while repeatedly making opinionated non statistical statements such as the Eagles only win because of the tush push. And thats lame TBH, at times kind of infuriating. You come across not as someone who wants to have honest conversation, but as a troll

Let's be honest here: in any Eagles thread a "troll" is used against anyone who doesn't bend the knee to the Philadelphia Eagles. That's not even debatable. You're literally calling posters that right off the bat so the only ones NOT being honest here are, apparently, the Eagles homers. You can literally go back and look at the immediate responses to my posts and clearly see that no one wants an honest conversation about Hurts as a passer.

And I'm not ignoring statistics. I'm ignoring cherry-picked statistics.

No dude you’re at the point of just flame posting and trolling for a reaction. Go find yourself a girlfriend to entertain you while ott better yet go outside and touch some grass.

Negative. You Eagles fans are an emotional and sensitive bunch. The only one flame posting here is you and the rest of your homers and you should probably heed your own advice.

And thanks for proving my point.

 

[ChicoCat]

Regardless of this current situation I was one who thought AJ was gone after next season. This problem will probably move it up to the end of this season. That being said, with Lane looking human and them moving on from A.J.....this is going to be a REALLY important 2026 draft for the Offense.

 

[Insein]

I guess Howie could find a way but I think the plan was they move him after 27 or 28. That's the way the contract is structured. The cap hit is enormous if they move him this off season.

 

[ChicoCat]

I guess Howie could find a way but I think the plan was they move him after 27 or 28. That's the way the contract is structured. The cap hit is enormous if they move him this off season.

Then just throw him the ball. Alot this weekend.
For what it's worth, I kind of agree with him. I'm fine with the exceptionally risk averse football that the Eagles are playing; it got them a Super Bowl...but I do think you need to deliberately feed players. It's been a while since it has been an AJ game.

 

[Insein]

I guess Howie could find a way but I think the plan was they move him after 27 or 28. That's the way the contract is structured. The cap hit is enormous if they move him this off season.

Then just throw him the ball. Alot this weekend.
For what it's worth, I kind of agree with him. I'm fine with the exceptionally risk averse football that the Eagles are playing; it got them a Super Bowl...but I do think you need to deliberately feed players. It's been a while since it has been an AJ game.

Totally. I don't understand how an OC could have AJ and Devonta and not know how to draw plays up to get them open.

 

[oldmanhawkins]

More like Bladeruiner.

 

[Pickle Rody]

As of right now, ......the Eagles play 2 games in 8 days. These next days will tell us a lot.

 

[unckeyherb]

As of right now, ......the Eagles play 2 games in 8 days. These next days will tell us a lot.

I’m marginally concerned about Denver. They have a great defense but their offense doesn’t scare anyone. We should handle business there and if we do I think there is a pretty good chance that we walk into the bye week 8-0. I had them 7-1 by that point before the season, so I’d be ecstatic at that record.

I hopeful they’ll right the ship on offense. It’s giving the dreaded 2023 vibes but I just don’t believe that will happen again.

 

[Insein]

As of right now, ......the Eagles play 2 games in 8 days. These next days will tell us a lot.

I’m marginally concerned about Denver. They have a great defense but their offense doesn’t scare anyone. We should handle business there and if we do I think there is a pretty good chance that we walk into the bye week 8-0. I had them 7-1 by that point before the season, so I’d be ecstatic at that record.

I hopeful they’ll right the ship on offense. It’s giving the dreaded 2023 vibes but I just don’t believe that will happen again.

Week 9 bye lines up pretty good for us this year. A chance to review almost exactly mid season and make corrections for the stretch run.

 

[unckeyherb]

As of right now, ......the Eagles play 2 games in 8 days. These next days will tell us a lot.

I’m marginally concerned about Denver. They have a great defense but their offense doesn’t scare anyone. We should handle business there and if we do I think there is a pretty good chance that we walk into the bye week 8-0. I had them 7-1 by that point before the season, so I’d be ecstatic at that record.

I hopeful they’ll right the ship on offense. It’s giving the dreaded 2023 vibes but I just don’t believe that will happen again.

Week 9 bye lines up pretty good for us this year. A chance to review almost exactly mid season and make corrections for the stretch run.

Yep. The schedule after the bye is pretty rough.

@ GB
vs Lions
@ Dallas
vs Bears
@ Chargers
vs Raiders
@ Washington
@ Buffalo
vs Washington

There's 3-4 potential losses in that stretch I think. And I hate that we play Washington in weeks 16 and 18. I mean, there is a real chance if we win the division and Washington gets a WC berth that we end up playing them in week one of the playoffs or more to the point, 3 times in 4 weeks. DUMB

 

[Snotbubbles]

As of right now, ......the Eagles play 2 games in 8 days. These next days will tell us a lot.

I’m marginally concerned about Denver. They have a great defense but their offense doesn’t scare anyone. We should handle business there and if we do I think there is a pretty good chance that we walk into the bye week 8-0. I had them 7-1 by that point before the season, so I’d be ecstatic at that record.

I hopeful they’ll right the ship on offense. It’s giving the dreaded 2023 vibes but I just don’t believe that will happen again.

Week 9 bye lines up pretty good for us this year. A chance to review almost exactly mid season and make corrections for the stretch run.

Yep. The schedule after the bye is pretty rough.

@ GB
vs Lions
@ Dallas
vs Bears
@ Chargers
vs Raiders
@ Washington
@ Buffalo
vs Washington

There's 3-4 potential losses in that stretch I think. And I hate that we play Washington in weeks 16 and 18. I mean, there is a real chance if we win the division and Washington gets a WC berth that we end up playing them in week one of the playoffs or more to the point, 3 times in 4 weeks. DUMB

This is one of the toughest schedules I've seen the Eagles have. @KC, @TB, @GB, @BUF, @LAC, LAR, DEN, DET. There's barely any cupcakes.

 

[DJackson10]

I guess Howie could find a way but I think the plan was they move him after 27 or 28. That's the way the contract is structured. The cap hit is enormous if they move him this off season.

Given what AJ said after the SB I could see him restructuring the deal so he could leave. Brown is most happy when he’s winning but dominating games himself.

 

[DJackson10]

The Philadelphia Eagles officially announced four practice squad moves on Thursday afternoon. Here’s an overview:

• EDGE K.J. Henry and DT Jacob Sykes were signed to the practice squad.
• CB Eli Ricks and EDGE Antwaun Powell-Ryland were released.

 

[renesauz]

As of right now, ......the Eagles play 2 games in 8 days. These next days will tell us a lot.

I’m marginally concerned about Denver. They have a great defense but their offense doesn’t scare anyone. We should handle business there and if we do I think there is a pretty good chance that we walk into the bye week 8-0. I had them 7-1 by that point before the season, so I’d be ecstatic at that record.

I hopeful they’ll right the ship on offense. It’s giving the dreaded 2023 vibes but I just don’t believe that will happen again.

Week 9 bye lines up pretty good for us this year. A chance to review almost exactly mid season and make corrections for the stretch run.

Yep. The schedule after the bye is pretty rough.

@ GB
vs Lions
@ Dallas
vs Bears
@ Chargers
vs Raiders
@ Washington
@ Buffalo
vs Washington

There's 3-4 potential losses in that stretch I think. And I hate that we play Washington in weeks 16 and 18. I mean, there is a real chance if we win the division and Washington gets a WC berth that we end up playing them in week one of the playoffs or more to the point, 3 times in 4 weeks. DUMB

when all is said and done, it might very well be that the Eagles play only 3 teams all year that end with a losing record....only 2 non divisional opponents

 

[DJackson10]

Zach Berman was on the Philly special pod on today’s episode (he joins Kapedia on Thursdays) and said a few things on AJ

(1) He puts this whole thing at a 6 or 7. Something to definately monitor but not worried yet

(2) AJ is well liked (reiterated Barkley last year saying AJ was the best on the team

(3) thinks the team needs to game plan more touches and secretly thinks coaches are telling Hurts get him a few more balls to help us out here

(4) Devonte Smith didn’t talk to media which is rare. Added Smith/brown are very close and Devonte is more so in games the one on sidelines begging for more balls

(5) AJ was complimented on his blocking a few weeks ago by reporters but seemed more frustrated he wasn’t dominating

(6) thinks the Eagles might reevaluate their personel in offseason (in other words look into trading AJ) and having Devonte the de facto 1.

(7) thinks AJ could breakout this week since it’s a Man Defense that he usually dominates those.

(8) brown never speaks on Wednesday thinks this may have been a PR thing by him to smooth things over or team had him say something.

(9) both Sheil and Zach reiterated comments made by Brandon Graham and others on Brown Hurts saying it’s something people should keep an eye on

 

[roarlions]

Good article about the Eagles offense and its struggles this year, including the problems with getting the ball to AJ

Eagles film review: Why A.J. Brown has been underused and the offense is sputtering

The defending champs are undefeated, but first-year offensive coordinator Kevin Patullo's conservative approach raises questions.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Zach Berman was on the Philly special pod on today’s episode (he joins Kapedia on Thursdays) and said a few things on AJ

(1) He puts this whole thing at a 6 or 7. Something to definately monitor but not worried yet

(2) AJ is well liked (reiterated Barkley last year saying AJ was the best on the team

(3) thinks the team needs to game plan more touches and secretly thinks coaches are telling Hurts get him a few more balls to help us out here

(4) Devonte Smith didn’t talk to media which is rare. Added Smith/brown are very close and Devonte is more so in games the one on sidelines begging for more balls

(5) AJ was complimented on his blocking a few weeks ago by reporters but seemed more frustrated he wasn’t dominating

(6) thinks the Eagles might reevaluate their personel in offseason (in other words look into trading AJ) and having Devonte the de facto 1.

(7) thinks AJ could breakout this week since it’s a Man Defense that he usually dominates those.

(8) brown never speaks on Wednesday thinks this may have been a PR thing by him to smooth things over or team had him say something.

(9) both Sheil and Zach reiterated comments made by Brandon Graham and others on Brown Hurts saying it’s something people should keep an eye on

Just make sure you click and subscribe!

 

[DJackson10]

Zach Berman was on the Philly special pod on today’s episode (he joins Kapedia on Thursdays) and said a few things on AJ

(1) He puts this whole thing at a 6 or 7. Something to definately monitor but not worried yet

(2) AJ is well liked (reiterated Barkley last year saying AJ was the best on the team

(3) thinks the team needs to game plan more touches and secretly thinks coaches are telling Hurts get him a few more balls to help us out here

(4) Devonte Smith didn’t talk to media which is rare. Added Smith/brown are very close and Devonte is more so in games the one on sidelines begging for more balls

(5) AJ was complimented on his blocking a few weeks ago by reporters but seemed more frustrated he wasn’t dominating

(6) thinks the Eagles might reevaluate their personel in offseason (in other words look into trading AJ) and having Devonte the de facto 1.

(7) thinks AJ could breakout this week since it’s a Man Defense that he usually dominates those.

(8) brown never speaks on Wednesday thinks this may have been a PR thing by him to smooth things over or team had him say something.

(9) both Sheil and Zach reiterated comments made by Brandon Graham and others on Brown Hurts saying it’s something people should keep an eye on

Just make sure you click and subscribe!

I already listen to the pod every week

 

[Monkian]

I guess Howie could find a way but I think the plan was they move him after 27 or 28. That's the way the contract is structured. The cap hit is enormous if they move him this off season.

Then just throw him the ball. Alot this weekend.
For what it's worth, I kind of agree with him. I'm fine with the exceptionally risk averse football that the Eagles are playing; it got them a Super Bowl...but I do think you need to deliberately feed players. It's been a while since it has been an AJ game.

Totally. I don't understand how an OC could have AJ and Devonta and not know how to draw plays up to get them open.

I get it. What I don't understand is how that guy gets hired at the NFL level.

 

[unckeyherb]

I guess Howie could find a way but I think the plan was they move him after 27 or 28. That's the way the contract is structured. The cap hit is enormous if they move him this off season.

Then just throw him the ball. Alot this weekend.
For what it's worth, I kind of agree with him. I'm fine with the exceptionally risk averse football that the Eagles are playing; it got them a Super Bowl...but I do think you need to deliberately feed players. It's been a while since it has been an AJ game.

Totally. I don't understand how an OC could have AJ and Devonta and not know how to draw plays up to get them open.

I get it. What I don't understand is how that guy gets hired at the NFL level.

Its nuts and seems almost an impossible decision by the Eagles brass considering their history of OC's over the last decade.

2016-2017-Frank Reich-previous OC experience-awesome offense and won a Super Bowl
2018-2019-Mike Groh-no OC experience-disaster of an offense
2021-2022-Shane Stechen-previous OC experience-awesome offense and made a Super Bowl
2023-Brian Johnson-no OC experience-disaster of an offense and worst meltdown of a season in the history of the Eagles
2024-Kellen Moore-previous OC experience-awesome offense and won a Super Bowl

Are we beginning to see a pattern here?

2025-Kevin Patullo-no OC experience-so far not awesome offense, but 4-0. Time will tell I guess but this offense feels very Brian Johnson-esque.

 

[Terpman22]

Going to Houston for 2 weeks this year for Thanksgiving. Slight chance I can get to that Cowboys game in Dallas, would be epic if I get the chance....

I guess Howie could find a way but I think the plan was they move him after 27 or 28. That's the way the contract is structured. The cap hit is enormous if they move him this off season.

Then just throw him the ball. Alot this weekend.
For what it's worth, I kind of agree with him. I'm fine with the exceptionally risk averse football that the Eagles are playing; it got them a Super Bowl...but I do think you need to deliberately feed players. It's been a while since it has been an AJ game.

Totally. I don't understand how an OC could have AJ and Devonta and not know how to draw plays up to get them open.

I get it. What I don't understand is how that guy gets hired at the NFL level.

Its nuts and seems almost an impossible decision by the Eagles brass considering their history of OC's over the last decade.

2016-2017-Frank Reich-previous OC experience-awesome offense and won a Super Bowl
2018-2019-Mike Groh-no OC experience-disaster of an offense
2021-2022-Shane Stechen-previous OC experience-awesome offense and made a Super Bowl
2023-Brian Johnson-no OC experience-disaster of an offense and worst meltdown of a season in the history of the Eagles
2024-Kellen Moore-previous OC experience-awesome offense and won a Super Bowl

Are we beginning to see a pattern here?

2025-Kevin Patullo-no OC experience-so far not awesome offense, but 4-0. Time will tell I guess but this offense feels very Brian Johnson-esque.

I just don't get how they don't see this other than having some weird internal policy "Ok if a the HC wins a Super Bowl, we give him first crack at a Dolt OC the following year"

 

[Insein]

Going to Houston for 2 weeks this year for Thanksgiving. Slight chance I can get to that Cowboys game in Dallas, would be epic if I get the chance....

I guess Howie could find a way but I think the plan was they move him after 27 or 28. That's the way the contract is structured. The cap hit is enormous if they move him this off season.

Then just throw him the ball. Alot this weekend.
For what it's worth, I kind of agree with him. I'm fine with the exceptionally risk averse football that the Eagles are playing; it got them a Super Bowl...but I do think you need to deliberately feed players. It's been a while since it has been an AJ game.

Totally. I don't understand how an OC could have AJ and Devonta and not know how to draw plays up to get them open.

I get it. What I don't understand is how that guy gets hired at the NFL level.

Its nuts and seems almost an impossible decision by the Eagles brass considering their history of OC's over the last decade.

2016-2017-Frank Reich-previous OC experience-awesome offense and won a Super Bowl
2018-2019-Mike Groh-no OC experience-disaster of an offense
2021-2022-Shane Stechen-previous OC experience-awesome offense and made a Super Bowl
2023-Brian Johnson-no OC experience-disaster of an offense and worst meltdown of a season in the history of the Eagles
2024-Kellen Moore-previous OC experience-awesome offense and won a Super Bowl

Are we beginning to see a pattern here?

2025-Kevin Patullo-no OC experience-so far not awesome offense, but 4-0. Time will tell I guess but this offense feels very Brian Johnson-esque.

I just don't get how they don't see this other than having some weird internal policy "Ok if a the HC wins a Super Bowl, we give him first crack at a Dolt OC the following year"

Human nature. Your head coach just won a Super Bowl. You give him a little leeway to make his own choice. Maybe if it falls apart, Howie won't let Nick pick another OC after they win the super bowl again.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I guess Howie could find a way but I think the plan was they move him after 27 or 28. That's the way the contract is structured. The cap hit is enormous if they move him this off season.

Then just throw him the ball. Alot this weekend.
For what it's worth, I kind of agree with him. I'm fine with the exceptionally risk averse football that the Eagles are playing; it got them a Super Bowl...but I do think you need to deliberately feed players. It's been a while since it has been an AJ game.

Totally. I don't understand how an OC could have AJ and Devonta and not know how to draw plays up to get them open.

I get it. What I don't understand is how that guy gets hired at the NFL level.

Its nuts and seems almost an impossible decision by the Eagles brass considering their history of OC's over the last decade.

2016-2017-Frank Reich-previous OC experience-awesome offense and won a Super Bowl
2018-2019-Mike Groh-no OC experience-disaster of an offense
2021-2022-Shane Stechen-previous OC experience-awesome offense and made a Super Bowl
2023-Brian Johnson-no OC experience-disaster of an offense and worst meltdown of a season in the history of the Eagles
2024-Kellen Moore-previous OC experience-awesome offense and won a Super Bowl

Are we beginning to see a pattern here?

2025-Kevin Patullo-no OC experience-so far not awesome offense, but 4-0. Time will tell I guess but this offense feels very Brian Johnson-esque.

To be fair he’s had moments where he looks good. He seems to want to play very conservative at times. Johnson was one of the worst OC’s you’ll ever see.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I guess Howie could find a way but I think the plan was they move him after 27 or 28. That's the way the contract is structured. The cap hit is enormous if they move him this off season.

Then just throw him the ball. Alot this weekend.
For what it's worth, I kind of agree with him. I'm fine with the exceptionally risk averse football that the Eagles are playing; it got them a Super Bowl...but I do think you need to deliberately feed players. It's been a while since it has been an AJ game.

Totally. I don't understand how an OC could have AJ and Devonta and not know how to draw plays up to get them open.

I get it. What I don't understand is how that guy gets hired at the NFL level.

Its nuts and seems almost an impossible decision by the Eagles brass considering their history of OC's over the last decade.

2016-2017-Frank Reich-previous OC experience-awesome offense and won a Super Bowl
2018-2019-Mike Groh-no OC experience-disaster of an offense
2021-2022-Shane Stechen-previous OC experience-awesome offense and made a Super Bowl
2023-Brian Johnson-no OC experience-disaster of an offense and worst meltdown of a season in the history of the Eagles
2024-Kellen Moore-previous OC experience-awesome offense and won a Super Bowl

Are we beginning to see a pattern here?

2025-Kevin Patullo-no OC experience-so far not awesome offense, but 4-0. Time will tell I guess but this offense feels very Brian Johnson-esque.

To be fair he’s had moments where he looks good. He seems to want to play very conservative at times. Johnson was one of the worst OC’s you’ll ever see.

Statistically, Johnson's offense was right there with Kellen Moore's. The problem in 2023 was the defense was terrible.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I guess Howie could find a way but I think the plan was they move him after 27 or 28. That's the way the contract is structured. The cap hit is enormous if they move him this off season.

Then just throw him the ball. Alot this weekend.
For what it's worth, I kind of agree with him. I'm fine with the exceptionally risk averse football that the Eagles are playing; it got them a Super Bowl...but I do think you need to deliberately feed players. It's been a while since it has been an AJ game.

Totally. I don't understand how an OC could have AJ and Devonta and not know how to draw plays up to get them open.

I get it. What I don't understand is how that guy gets hired at the NFL level.

Its nuts and seems almost an impossible decision by the Eagles brass considering their history of OC's over the last decade.

2016-2017-Frank Reich-previous OC experience-awesome offense and won a Super Bowl
2018-2019-Mike Groh-no OC experience-disaster of an offense
2021-2022-Shane Stechen-previous OC experience-awesome offense and made a Super Bowl
2023-Brian Johnson-no OC experience-disaster of an offense and worst meltdown of a season in the history of the Eagles
2024-Kellen Moore-previous OC experience-awesome offense and won a Super Bowl

Are we beginning to see a pattern here?

2025-Kevin Patullo-no OC experience-so far not awesome offense, but 4-0. Time will tell I guess but this offense feels very Brian Johnson-esque.

To be fair he’s had moments where he looks good. He seems to want to play very conservative at times. Johnson was one of the worst OC’s you’ll ever see.

Statistically, Johnson's offense was right there with Kellen Moore's. The problem in 2023 was the defense was terrible.

And you can tell how misleading stats can be based off of where those two are at today lol

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Going to Houston for 2 weeks this year for Thanksgiving. Slight chance I can get to that Cowboys game in Dallas, would be epic if I get the chance....

I guess Howie could find a way but I think the plan was they move him after 27 or 28. That's the way the contract is structured. The cap hit is enormous if they move him this off season.

Then just throw him the ball. Alot this weekend.
For what it's worth, I kind of agree with him. I'm fine with the exceptionally risk averse football that the Eagles are playing; it got them a Super Bowl...but I do think you need to deliberately feed players. It's been a while since it has been an AJ game.

Totally. I don't understand how an OC could have AJ and Devonta and not know how to draw plays up to get them open.

I get it. What I don't understand is how that guy gets hired at the NFL level.

Its nuts and seems almost an impossible decision by the Eagles brass considering their history of OC's over the last decade.

2016-2017-Frank Reich-previous OC experience-awesome offense and won a Super Bowl
2018-2019-Mike Groh-no OC experience-disaster of an offense
2021-2022-Shane Stechen-previous OC experience-awesome offense and made a Super Bowl
2023-Brian Johnson-no OC experience-disaster of an offense and worst meltdown of a season in the history of the Eagles
2024-Kellen Moore-previous OC experience-awesome offense and won a Super Bowl

Are we beginning to see a pattern here?

2025-Kevin Patullo-no OC experience-so far not awesome offense, but 4-0. Time will tell I guess but this offense feels very Brian Johnson-esque.

I just don't get how they don't see this other than having some weird internal policy "Ok if a the HC wins a Super Bowl, we give him first crack at a Dolt OC the following year"

Human nature. Your head coach just won a Super Bowl. You give him a little leeway to make his own choice. Maybe if it falls apart, Howie won't let Nick pick another OC after they win the super bowl again.

By the time we had a chance to even pick an OC who was available? This isn’t a Howie or Nick problem to me. We played super late into the season and because we played in the SB that well dried up. It’s the same trend highlighted above.

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

oops. deleted.

 

[unckeyherb]

Going to Houston for 2 weeks this year for Thanksgiving. Slight chance I can get to that Cowboys game in Dallas, would be epic if I get the chance....

I guess Howie could find a way but I think the plan was they move him after 27 or 28. That's the way the contract is structured. The cap hit is enormous if they move him this off season.

Then just throw him the ball. Alot this weekend.
For what it's worth, I kind of agree with him. I'm fine with the exceptionally risk averse football that the Eagles are playing; it got them a Super Bowl...but I do think you need to deliberately feed players. It's been a while since it has been an AJ game.

Totally. I don't understand how an OC could have AJ and Devonta and not know how to draw plays up to get them open.

I get it. What I don't understand is how that guy gets hired at the NFL level.

Its nuts and seems almost an impossible decision by the Eagles brass considering their history of OC's over the last decade.

2016-2017-Frank Reich-previous OC experience-awesome offense and won a Super Bowl
2018-2019-Mike Groh-no OC experience-disaster of an offense
2021-2022-Shane Stechen-previous OC experience-awesome offense and made a Super Bowl
2023-Brian Johnson-no OC experience-disaster of an offense and worst meltdown of a season in the history of the Eagles
2024-Kellen Moore-previous OC experience-awesome offense and won a Super Bowl

Are we beginning to see a pattern here?

2025-Kevin Patullo-no OC experience-so far not awesome offense, but 4-0. Time will tell I guess but this offense feels very Brian Johnson-esque.

I just don't get how they don't see this other than having some weird internal policy "Ok if a the HC wins a Super Bowl, we give him first crack at a Dolt OC the following year"

Human nature. Your head coach just won a Super Bowl. You give him a little leeway to make his own choice. Maybe if it falls apart, Howie won't let Nick pick another OC after they win the super bowl again.

By the time we had a chance to even pick an OC who was available? This isn’t a Howie or Nick problem to me. We played super late into the season and because we played in the SB that well dried up. It’s the same trend highlighted above.

Agree 100%. There should be a moratorium on interviews until the post season is complete. I wonder what the 2022 season would have ended like if Gannon wasn’t already moved onto Arizona.

 

[unckeyherb]

CBS updated its projections today and in non-ppr standard Carter is RB29 with the likes of Charb, White and T Henderson, while Demercado is RB24 with the likes of Walker and Pollard. Puts Demarcado in the bottom of RB2 territory and Carter in the RB3/flex starter mix.

I'm already starting him so not at all talking anyone into it nor is this a hill i'm willing to croak on. If either is able to maintain hot hands between Carter and Demercado for the next two weeks, there's potential gold in Arizona. though, their RB SOS is not great ROS, but these are desperate times. Giddy up!

Wut

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

CBS updated its projections today and in non-ppr standard Carter is RB29 with the likes of Charb, White and T Henderson, while Demercado is RB24 with the likes of Walker and Pollard. Puts Demarcado in the bottom of RB2 territory and Carter in the RB3/flex starter mix.

I'm already starting him so not at all talking anyone into it nor is this a hill i'm willing to croak on. If either is able to maintain hot hands between Carter and Demercado for the next two weeks, there's potential gold in Arizona. though, their RB SOS is not great ROS, but these are desperate times. Giddy up!

Wut

lol sorry, wrong thread.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Going to Houston for 2 weeks this year for Thanksgiving. Slight chance I can get to that Cowboys game in Dallas, would be epic if I get the chance....

I guess Howie could find a way but I think the plan was they move him after 27 or 28. That's the way the contract is structured. The cap hit is enormous if they move him this off season.

Then just throw him the ball. Alot this weekend.
For what it's worth, I kind of agree with him. I'm fine with the exceptionally risk averse football that the Eagles are playing; it got them a Super Bowl...but I do think you need to deliberately feed players. It's been a while since it has been an AJ game.

Totally. I don't understand how an OC could have AJ and Devonta and not know how to draw plays up to get them open.

I get it. What I don't understand is how that guy gets hired at the NFL level.

Its nuts and seems almost an impossible decision by the Eagles brass considering their history of OC's over the last decade.

2016-2017-Frank Reich-previous OC experience-awesome offense and won a Super Bowl
2018-2019-Mike Groh-no OC experience-disaster of an offense
2021-2022-Shane Stechen-previous OC experience-awesome offense and made a Super Bowl
2023-Brian Johnson-no OC experience-disaster of an offense and worst meltdown of a season in the history of the Eagles
2024-Kellen Moore-previous OC experience-awesome offense and won a Super Bowl

Are we beginning to see a pattern here?

2025-Kevin Patullo-no OC experience-so far not awesome offense, but 4-0. Time will tell I guess but this offense feels very Brian Johnson-esque.

I just don't get how they don't see this other than having some weird internal policy "Ok if a the HC wins a Super Bowl, we give him first crack at a Dolt OC the following year"

Human nature. Your head coach just won a Super Bowl. You give him a little leeway to make his own choice. Maybe if it falls apart, Howie won't let Nick pick another OC after they win the super bowl again.

By the time we had a chance to even pick an OC who was available? This isn’t a Howie or Nick problem to me. We played super late into the season and because we played in the SB that well dried up. It’s the same trend highlighted above.

Agree 100%. There should be a moratorium on interviews until the post season is complete. I wonder what the 2022 season would have ended like if Gannon wasn’t already moved onto Arizona.

Gannon will forever be on my sheet list for that unforgiveable late game collapse in the Super Bowl. I know the field minimized the pass rush, but those final drives were just a complete cluster.

 

[DJackson10]

Per Dianna Russini of the athletic

Angry birds​

A.J. Brown is frustrated … again.

He’s made that clear, while the other high-paid receiver in Philadelphia, DeVonta Smith, has stayed quiet despite his own frustrations, multiple sources tell me. The wideouts in Philadelphia clearly want more touchdowns. They each have one.

Through four games, Brown, a three-time All-Pro, has just 14 catches for 151 yards. That’s not the production he or anyone expects from one of the most talented receivers in football. And so, like we’ve seen before, the frustration spilled out.

This time it came in the form of scripture, posted to his X account: “If you’re not welcomed, not listened to, quietly withdraw. Don’t make a scene. Shrug your shoulders and be on your way.”

Cue the freak out.

Brown later clarified, insisting he’s good with the Eagles, that the post wasn’t aimed at anyone and that this was simply his way of venting. Maybe so. But in Philadelphia, everything is something.

The timing is what makes it sting. The Eagles are winning and currently perfect in the red zone this year, No. 1 in football at 100 percent.

Still, as one league source put it: “Right now, for the Eagles, it’s run, run, run, (Jalen) Hurts off-schedule pass, tush push. For their receivers, that means when they get to the red zone, they aren’t getting the ball — and they know it. Hence the frustrations.”
“Brown doesn’t realize how bad it could be,” another league source told me. “You think if Howie Roseman is going to eventually trade him, he’s going to send him to a team with some elite quarterback? Think about how much worse it could be. Respectfully, (Brown) could still be on the 0-4 Titans. Life is good in Philly.”

“Look at last season,” a third league source added. “Philly was 2-2 and then settled in. There has to be some patience for the offense to come together. Everyone.”

Brown and Hurts have a long history. High school and college friends turned NFL teammates, Hurts is the godfather to Brown’s daughter, Jersee. A former teammate once described them as “an old married couple,” but I’m told they’re not that close these days. Like any friendship, life happens. Family responsibilities, the grind of being pros, shifting priorities. They’re friendly, but as one Eagles player described it: “It’s functional, professional.”

And here’s the reality: A No. 1 receiver wanting the ball more isn’t breaking news. Just ask the other current undefeated team what it was like dealing with a frustrated wideout. The Bills tried sitting down Josh Allen and Stefon Diggs to talk it out. It worked until it didn’t, and eventually, Diggs was shipped to Houston.

Sirianni and Roseman have already had their own private conversations with Brown to hear him out and they are managing the situation. The Eagles have not shopped him, telling teams in the offseason there was “no chance.” But rival executives are watching.

“They are paying roughly $50 million to two wide receivers (Brown and Smith), and they aren’t even that involved,” one NFL GM told me. “They may move on simply because Philly is a run-heavy team.”

A rival head coach put it another way after studying the Eagles: “Don’t let A.J. Brown tell you he isn’t getting enough targets. It’s not about the quantity. It’s about the type of targets and the situations he’s in. That’s why he’s frustrated.”

That’s really the point. Brown is seeing the ball. He’s just not seeing it the way he wants. I’m told Hurts wants to feed him and wants to throw to him, it’s just about having patience in early October.
We’ll see if new offensive coordinator Kevin Patullo adjusts, getting Brown and Smith involved earlier and scripting touches to calm the storm.

I can tell you this: The Broncos’ defense is expecting to see a very motivated pair of Eagles wideouts early on Sunday.

 

[renesauz]

Going to Houston for 2 weeks this year for Thanksgiving. Slight chance I can get to that Cowboys game in Dallas, would be epic if I get the chance....

I guess Howie could find a way but I think the plan was they move him after 27 or 28. That's the way the contract is structured. The cap hit is enormous if they move him this off season.

Then just throw him the ball. Alot this weekend.
For what it's worth, I kind of agree with him. I'm fine with the exceptionally risk averse football that the Eagles are playing; it got them a Super Bowl...but I do think you need to deliberately feed players. It's been a while since it has been an AJ game.

Totally. I don't understand how an OC could have AJ and Devonta and not know how to draw plays up to get them open.

I get it. What I don't understand is how that guy gets hired at the NFL level.

Its nuts and seems almost an impossible decision by the Eagles brass considering their history of OC's over the last decade.

2016-2017-Frank Reich-previous OC experience-awesome offense and won a Super Bowl
2018-2019-Mike Groh-no OC experience-disaster of an offense
2021-2022-Shane Stechen-previous OC experience-awesome offense and made a Super Bowl
2023-Brian Johnson-no OC experience-disaster of an offense and worst meltdown of a season in the history of the Eagles
2024-Kellen Moore-previous OC experience-awesome offense and won a Super Bowl

Are we beginning to see a pattern here?

2025-Kevin Patullo-no OC experience-so far not awesome offense, but 4-0. Time will tell I guess but this offense feels very Brian Johnson-esque.

I just don't get how they don't see this other than having some weird internal policy "Ok if a the HC wins a Super Bowl, we give him first crack at a Dolt OC the following year"

Human nature. Your head coach just won a Super Bowl. You give him a little leeway to make his own choice. Maybe if it falls apart, Howie won't let Nick pick another OC after they win the super bowl again.

By the time we had a chance to even pick an OC who was available? This isn’t a Howie or Nick problem to me. We played super late into the season and because we played in the SB that well dried up. It’s the same trend highlighted above.

was thinking about that yesterday. Feel like rules should change?????

 

[renesauz]

As of right now, ......the Eagles play 2 games in 8 days. These next days will tell us a lot.

I’m marginally concerned about Denver. They have a great defense but their offense doesn’t scare anyone. We should handle business there and if we do I think there is a pretty good chance that we walk into the bye week 8-0. I had them 7-1 by that point before the season, so I’d be ecstatic at that record.

I hopeful they’ll right the ship on offense. It’s giving the dreaded 2023 vibes but I just don’t believe that will happen again.

Week 9 bye lines up pretty good for us this year. A chance to review almost exactly mid season and make corrections for the stretch run.

Yep. The schedule after the bye is pretty rough.

@ GB
vs Lions
@ Dallas
vs Bears
@ Chargers
vs Raiders
@ Washington
@ Buffalo
vs Washington

There's 3-4 potential losses in that stretch I think. And I hate that we play Washington in weeks 16 and 18. I mean, there is a real chance if we win the division and Washington gets a WC berth that we end up playing them in week one of the playoffs or more to the point, 3 times in 4 weeks. DUMB

as if there has been a spot spot so far??????

 

[The Noid]

Ringo starting over a healthy Adoree Jackson. Guess they liked what they saw last week in coverage (they both stink at tackling.)

 

[Terpman22]

Ringo starting over a healthy Adoree Jackson. Guess they liked what they saw last week in coverage (they both stink at tackling.)

I’m ok with it. All I ever hear about Ringo is how he is “stiff in the hips”

But last week he did ok and tackled well, albeit was not targeted much.

All I’ve seen from Jackson is he can’t cover anymore so what is there to lose I say.

Vic knows what he’s doing I trust him 100%

 

[Terpman22]

Also - the national love Quinyon Mitchell is getting these days is a fun thing to see.

He really is becoming THAT guy

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Ringo starting over a healthy Adoree Jackson. Guess they liked what they saw last week in coverage (they both stink at tackling.)

I’m ok with it. All I ever hear about Ringo is how he is “stiff in the hips”

But last week he did ok and tackled well, albeit was not targeted much.

All I’ve seen from Jackson is he can’t cover anymore so what is there to lose I say.

Vic knows what he’s doing I trust him 100%

They’re pretty much a “ 6 of one, half dozen of the other” situation.

At this point, Adoree is who he is. Rather see Ringo start and see if CP can coach him up.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Fangio tweaked the defense after week 4 last year and it won us a Super Bowl. So obviously I’m fine with him making tweaks after Week 4 in 2025.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Put in an AJ Brown parlay today. O4.5 receptions, O22.5 longest catch, O58.5 rec yards, and AJ anytime TD. Will be a cash by halftime. Lol.

 

[Terpman22]

Put in an AJ Brown parlay today. O4.5 receptions, O22.5 longest catch, O58.5 rec yards, and AJ anytime TD. Will be a cash by halftime. Lol.

Gotta figure he explodes eventually. This is the same guy that went 6 straight games with 125+ yards just 2 seasons ago with the same guy throwing him the ball

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Put in an AJ Brown parlay today. O4.5 receptions, O22.5 longest catch, O58.5 rec yards, and AJ anytime TD. Will be a cash by halftime. Lol.

My fantasy team would enjoy that very much

 

[The Noid]

Little concerned our new LS is the same size as Darren Sproles.

 

[The Noid]

Put this one up there with the Panthers game collapse a few years back. Putrid.

 

[Snotbubbles]

It's malpractice to have this OC. Why did they hire a guy whi never did it before. The offense looks bad. Pre-snap stuff is inexcusable.

 

[Lehigh98]

Well, the refs ####ed us but didn't help ourselves with that sloppy game.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Line opened at PHI -5.5, now down to -3 in some places. Lot of money coming in on DEN

Overreaction to Monday night blow out score. People coming in on Denver 5.5 and 4.5 quickly. 3.5 is a fair line I think.

And as crazy as it sounds this is the most uneasy I’ve felt about a game so far this year. I like the short rest and being honest but their defense travels well

Could see this coming a mile away.

Poor coaching, bunch of injuries and a bunch of undisciplined players. Sprinkle in some bad officiating and it was the perfect storm.

Also very nice if AJ Brown to ***** about not getting the ball and stops running a route that probably ices the game.

 

[renesauz]

Eagles offense is just so inconsistent. Look great one drive, then 3 straight stinker drives.

Today was all about the penalties though. Too many in awful spots killed them