*** 2025 Pittsburgh Steelers: Fire Tomlin chants and Renegade booed during loss to Bills (33 Viewers)

[Godsbrother]

Hopefully the Steelers string a few wins together so we don't have to hear any bellyaching about Tomlin for a while (altho that's no garuntee to stop it). I know that would be a total bummer for some of the Steelers "fans" around here. But I'm still glad when they succeed and hope they do.

I have been a supporter of Tomlin but my patience ran out last season. Simply put, the team has been treading water for a number of seasons now.

The playoff losses haven’t been all his fault but he certainly deserves his share of the blame and the “no losing seasons” defense has become damning evidence that he isn’t a bad coach but he isn’t a real good one either.

Going into this season I wasn’t expecting much and Tomlin has delivered. The offense lacks explosiveness and the defense has under achieved despite being among the highest paid units in the NFL.

The Steelers squandered an opportunity to lock up the division early with the horrible starts by the Ravens and Bengals but fumbled that away. That being said they control their own destiny so let’s see how he team does.

All of the games they have remaining on the schedule are winnable. If Tomlin can squeak out the title of a horrible AFC North division and win a playoff game I will be glad to eat crow.

 

[3C's]

The whataboutism is strong in here.

 

[Blick]

Their biggest problem is that they can’t draft.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

All of you who are complaining about Tomlin, What do you think the record could reasonably be with this roster? They are average at best at QB and one of the worst WR rooms in the league. You are not going to be an elite team with those 2 issues.

You are all going nuts over a close loss on the road to a first place team when we were starting a backup QB. The Steelers have 2 of the most impressive wins in the league this year and are in first place.

The Steelers issues are simple Rooney meddles and they haven't had an elite QB in 8 years. Neither has anything to do with Tomlin.

Disagree. The Steelers biggest problem is that Tomlin has a terrible eye for identifying top talent at OC and DC or his ego won't allow him to make a higher profile hire at those spots. I personally believe that's why he let Flores go to promote Austin. In 18 years, he has ZERO coaching tree. That speaks volumes. Its entirely about him and his antiquated vision of how to win.

They have enough talent to overcome Tomlin's terrible decisions at OC and DC, but not enough to compete when it matters. The problem is that's exactly what the Steelers have become and they've shown no willingness to adjust.

This isn't about any one win or loss. And if they back into a division win with another 9 or 10 win season, its because they have the talent to win 9 or 10 games. And they do. Its not some miracle here.

Ben was still good in 2018 and 2020. He didnt fall off until 2021. Yet Tomlin's teams won only 3 playoff games (all against backup QBs) between 2011 and 2020.

Coordinators are clearly one of the main areas Rooney meddles in. He has certainly dictated OC's before.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

Their biggest problem is that they can’t draft.

They have had a huge draft strategy switch since Kahn took over. I have liked their drafts under Kahn.

 

[Godsbrother]

Their biggest problem is that they can’t draft.

They have had a huge draft strategy switch since Kahn took over. I have liked their drafts under Kahn.

Me too

 

[Blick]

Their biggest problem is that they can’t draft.

They have had a huge draft strategy switch since Kahn took over. I have liked their drafts under Kahn.

Me too

Maybe. But the fact remains that players with high draft capital have not usually made it to a second contract with this team.

 

[cdclopper]

Their biggest problem is that they can’t draft.

They have had a huge draft strategy switch since Kahn took over. I have liked their drafts under Kahn.

It would be nice to have Dart having a red shirt year right now ready to go for next season. A big problem with Tomlin's not losing streak is always drafting out of the range of getting a great quarterback prospect. Looks like they missed a chance at it.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

Their biggest problem is that they can’t draft.

They have had a huge draft strategy switch since Kahn took over. I have liked their drafts under Kahn.

Me too

Maybe. But the fact remains that players with high draft capital have not usually made it to a second contract with this team.

And the person who drafted all of them is gone.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

Their biggest problem is that they can’t draft.

They have had a huge draft strategy switch since Kahn took over. I have liked their drafts under Kahn.

It would be nice to have Dart having a red shirt year right now ready to go for next season. A big problem with Tomlin's not losing streak is always drafting out of the range of getting a great quarterback prospect. Looks like they missed a chance at it.

This is a problem, but a Rooney made one.

 

[Blick]

Their biggest problem is that they can’t draft.

They have had a huge draft strategy switch since Kahn took over. I have liked their drafts under Kahn.

Me too

Maybe. But the fact remains that players with high draft capital have not usually made it to a second contract with this team.

And the person who drafted all of them is gone.

My point is that it’s not just Tomlin that has let them down.

 

[Max55]

Their biggest problem is that they can’t draft.

And seems to be “a lot” of swings and misses on aging free agents past their prime.

 

[menobrown]

Their biggest problem is that they can’t draft.

They have had a huge draft strategy switch since Kahn took over. I have liked their drafts under Kahn.

Me too

Me three.

I've liked the process a little more then the results under Khan but overall would give him high marks.

Also love the aggressive player acquisition mode under Khan.

I'm trying not to beat a dead horse to death and keep bringing this up but I could not have been more vocally against the Pickens trade and whoever bears the brunt of responsibility over that blew what little chance this team had of being a legit competitive team. I would have the most incredibly difficult time thinking Kahn had the power to carry out the decision more then thinking he was following a directive.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

Their biggest problem is that they can’t draft.

They have had a huge draft strategy switch since Kahn took over. I have liked their drafts under Kahn.

Me too

Me three.

I've liked the process a little more then the results under Khan but overall would give him high marks.

Also love the aggressive player acquisition mode under Khan.

I'm trying not to beat a dead horse to death and keep bringing this up but I could not have been more vocally against the Pickens trade and whoever bears the brunt of responsibility over that blew what little chance this team had of being a legit competitive team. I would have the most incredibly difficult time thinking Kahn had the power to carry out the decision more then thinking he was following a directive.

This is a very good post. It isn't about Kahn's results. In a small sample it could easily be lots of picks that end up busts. Some picks bust, that is drafting, but the process now is clearly much better. I do not think there is a chance Kahn would have drafted Harris or trade up for Bush.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

I do not think there is a chance Kahn would have drafted Harris or trade up for Bush.

Agree.

Omar has always been an analytics/money guy first. Id wager there would have been almost no way he'd have done either of those things, particularly Naj, without being forced.

 

[LawFitz]

Looking ahead at D's for next week and pickings are slim. Kinda eyeing PIT on the road against a gimpy Lamar & co. What do you guys think about how the Steelers D has been playing lately and how they match up against the Ravens O?

 

[Godsbrother]

The Steelers defense is about pressures and turnovers. In that regard they have been kinda up and down this season.

 

[cdclopper]

Looking ahead at D's for next week and pickings are slim. Kinda eyeing PIT on the road against a gimpy Lamar & co. What do you guys think about how the Steelers D has been playing lately and how they match up against the Ravens O?

Like godsbrother said their defensive strat goes after splash plays, sacks and turnovers. Kind of exactly what you want in a fantasy defense.

 

[Cookiemonster]

This team is depressing. Even if they manage to sweep the Ravens, I doubt I’ll manage to build any enthusiasm.

 

[3C's]

Poor effort all around, and as Tony said going heavy on 4th and 3 and choosing to run the ball is "not smart". Guess they don't have an rpo option with an aging hobbled QB but come up with something that involves play action. Can't move the ball against a fairly pedestrian defense, and can't stop a running stack with backup linemen.

Never want them to lose but they're going nowhere so tank for the draft is where I'm at.

 

[belljr]

I predict they lose the next 3.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

I said it in the game thread and I will repeat it here...

They are just not a very good football team at the moment. Their last 17 games,not including playoffs (which was also horrible), they are 6-11 with a pile of head-shakingly bad losses due in large part to being wedded to outdated schemes/attitudes on game day.

Add in injuries,etc on top of that...and here they are.

 

[infantsam]

Tomlin looking clearly defeated on the sidelines.

I would not suspect Rogers wants any more of this next year……hopefully.

 

[timschochet]

Unlike so many Steelers fans these days I’ve always loved Mike Tomlin. Still do. But they’re not getting it done, and who can deny how poorly it’s going. That game was just awful today. I won’t be upset if they make a change after the season ends.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Unlike so many Steelers fans these days I’ve always loved Mike Tomlin. Still do. But they’re not getting it done, and who can deny how poorly it’s going. That game was just awful today. I won’t be upset if they make a change after the season ends.

Tim - nobody ever said anything about not “liking” Mike Tomlin. From all accounts his players love to play for him. But he’s been an overrated coach for quite a while now. The team isn’t going anywhere with him and his coaching philosophy at the helm.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

I would not suspect Rogers wants any more of this next year……hopefully.

Whether he does/doesnt shouldnt matter. They need to move on. He's looked like a smacked a$$ since the first Cincy game.

Given Mike's recent proclivities...theyll be firing it up with Flacco in '26 tho

 

[McBokonon]

Tomlin has lost tim and they booed renegade. It’s over.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Tomlin has lost tim and they booed renegade. It’s over.

End of an era.

 

[Steelers4Life]

The fan base is finally starting to catch up to where a lot of us have been on Tomlin for years now.

How many guys would still have a job if they only have 4 seasons out of 19 with a playoff win? Or 8+ years without a playoff win? Or 3 playoff wins in 15 years?

Ownership has been comfortable because the national media loves him and enough of the fan base supports him that 8, 9, or 10 wins has been enough. Now the national media has started picking up on it and the fans are getting more and more tired of the lack of discipline, declining performance, and lack of adjustments. It's been this way since 2011 after his run with Cowher's team, not just since Ben retired. The goodwill built from 2007 to 2010 is finally starting to wear out.

Losing 3 or 4 of the next 5 would finally start to put some real pressure on the team to change.

 

[HellToupee]

@irish eyes was right about everything . I apologize

 

[3C's]

Unlike so many Steelers fans these days I’ve always loved Mike Tomlin. Still do. But they’re not getting it done, and who can deny how poorly it’s going. That game was just awful today. I won’t be upset if they make a change after the season ends.

Well I certainly never "loved" him cuz that would be kinda weird, but he's a Tribe alum so I wanted him to do well. His message has gone stale though, I'm tired of Tomlinisms, and would prefer he move on to the next chapter in his life, whatever that might be.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

I'm tired of Tomlinisms

Tuesday should be this week, fo' sho'.

It'll be interesting to hear what direct, uncomy questions folks like Carter, or Benz, or Pryor ask him that he'll refuse to answer,if nothing else.

 

[Dizzy]

6-6 right on par w/ pre-season expectations. Still a mid-pack roster w/ an ancient QB and a defense that (apparently) gets paid based on NFL "experience"

Who knew AFC North would be the weakest division in the NFL? CIN gonna run the table and win this hot mess.

Tomlin's going? OK, GM better be right behind him. Maybe a new ownership group would help too.

 

[Godsbrother]

Absolute brutal game after a competitive first half.

Rodgers is done and the defense couldn’t stop the same running play over and over. It seemed like the team just quit.

It won’t happen but I would like to give Howard a shot to see what we’ve got there.

 

[Da Guru]

The fan base is finally starting to catch up to where a lot of us have been on Tomlin for years now.

How many guys would still have a job if they only have 4 seasons out of 19 with a playoff win? Or 8+ years without a playoff win? Or 3 playoff wins in 15 years?

Ownership has been comfortable because the national media loves him and enough of the fan base supports him that 8, 9, or 10 wins has been enough. Now the national media has started picking up on it and the fans are getting more and more tired of the lack of discipline, declining performance, and lack of adjustments. It's been this way since 2011 after his run with Cowher's team, not just since Ben retired. The goodwill built from 2007 to 2010 is finally starting to wear out.

Losing 3 or 4 of the next 5 would finally start to put some real pressure on the team to change.

When Tomlin took over he did not take over a 3-13 team starting a rebuild.

When he took over they had all the pieces in place including a young franchise QB, and give credit he won with those pieces. That was 16 years ago.

Steelers remind me of the Detroit Red Wings after they won a few Stanley Cups and were on the decline, but still squeaked into the playoffs ever year. All we heard is 25 years in a row making the playoffs. Team did not say the last 10 they were knocked out in the first or second round.

I am sure Tomlin is a good coach but even he looks like he has lost the fire in his belly in Pitt. They will never fire him so he would have to resign. End up in the booth for a year then some team will pay him big to come back.

 

[3C's]

I'm tired of Tomlinisms

Tuesday should be this week, fo' sho'.

It'll be interesting to hear what direct, uncomy questions folks like Carter, or Benz, or Pryor ask him that he'll refuse to answer,if nothing else.

We didn't perform in certain components at a varsity level that we've come to anticipate on a week to week basis after purposeful preparation.

 

[Dizzy]

The fan base is finally starting to catch up to where a lot of us have been on Tomlin for years now.

How many guys would still have a job if they only have 4 seasons out of 19 with a playoff win? Or 8+ years without a playoff win? Or 3 playoff wins in 15 years?

Ownership has been comfortable because the national media loves him and enough of the fan base supports him that 8, 9, or 10 wins has been enough. Now the national media has started picking up on it and the fans are getting more and more tired of the lack of discipline, declining performance, and lack of adjustments. It's been this way since 2011 after his run with Cowher's team, not just since Ben retired. The goodwill built from 2007 to 2010 is finally starting to wear out.

Losing 3 or 4 of the next 5 would finally start to put some real pressure on the team to change.

When Tomlin took over he did not take over a 3-13 team starting a rebuild.

When he took over they had all the pieces in place including a young franchise QB, and give credit he won with those pieces. That was 16 years ago.

Steelers remind me of the Detroit Red Wings after they won a few Stanley Cups and were on the decline, but still squeaked into the playoffs ever year. All we heard is 25 years in a row making the playoffs. Team did not say the last 10 they were knocked out in the first or second round.

I am sure Tomlin is a good coach but even he looks like he has lost the fire in his belly in Pitt. They will never fire him so he would have to resign. End up in the booth for a year then some team will pay him big to come back.

Really, ^this^ is all that matters. I said it many times... you either have THE quarterback, or you don't... and it's a crap shoot.

Fortunate to have had Big Ben, but also a little unfortunate that there were two better QBs (in the same conference division) during his entire career. I would put Ben on the tier with Philip Rivers (how many Super Bowls did Rivers get to?).

These guys don't grow on trees and for every five (5) "generational talents" coming out of college, it feels like... 2 bust, 2 are good (not great), and 1 actually lives up to the hype. Oh, and you have to be drafting top 10 to get a sniff at one (preferably top 5).

Look at MIN, CLE, and maybe LVR (the latter probably having a QB situation that the other 2 envy)... they have no hope... none. MIN self-inflicted (missed on the QB), CLE feels like they are paying 5-6 QBs on other rosters (or out of football), and LVR have an outdated HC that trusted his old buddy QB.

I would rank the Steelers QB room 4th worst behind these 3 teams. And I don't want to hear about "PIT has failed to develop any QBs" when we all know they haven't been in a position to draft one. If Rogers/Rudolph was part of the "Steelers are ALL IN" plan this off-season? Well, pretty easy to see how that was going to end up. Rudolph is a professional clipboard-holder and Rogers hasn't been Aaron Roger in maybe... 5 years? Combine that with a bunch of old dudes on defense... that's a 0.500 club at best.

If Tomlin gets fired, he's NYG's HC 2 minutes later and PIT is still the same mid-pack, no-QB-having team... like all the others in the NFL looking for the same thing.

edit: fixed per @steelcityman catch.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

I'm tired of Tomlinisms

Tuesday should be this week, fo' sho'.

It'll be interesting to hear what direct, uncomy questions folks like Carter, or Benz, or Pryor ask him that he'll refuse to answer,if nothing else.

We didn't perform in certain components at a varsity level that we've come to anticipate on a week to week basis after purposeful preparation.

Swap in "The collective" for "we" and you probably aren't far off.

(Unless Pryor asks the question, in which case he'll just rudely dismiss whatever the question was as if it shouldn't have been asked.)

 

[steelcityman]

Say what you want about Tomlin, and most of it he deserves, but Rooney is not firing him, and paying him $16M or whatever he makes to NOT coach the Steelers. I just think Rooney is happy making his money, and doesnt even want to think about interviewing coaches. He wont even fire 2 incompetent coordinators. the whole franchise is just stale, owner, HC and 2 coordinators. A once powerhouse of an org, is just in purgatory now.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

2:1 difference in TOP. Again. They didn't even hold the ball for 20 minutes yesterday. They were dead last in the NFL in TOP coming in to the game...and it somehow got worse.

Last third of the season, and the defense is looking old and gassed. Again.

They should just sandblast off their "The Standard Is The StandardTM" stuff on the walls of Steelers' HQ and replace it with "Same Processes, Expecting Different Results."

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Say what you want about Tomlin, and most of it he deserves, but Rooney is not firing him, and paying him $16M or whatever he makes to NOT coach the Steelers. I just think Rooney is happy making his money, and doesnt even want to think about interviewing coaches. He wont even fire 2 incompetent coordinators. the whole franchise is just stale, owner, HC and 2 coordinators. A once powerhouse of an org, is just in purgatory now.

I don't believe anyone reasonable that pays even mild attention to the team has ever thought Art II will fire Tomlin. He won't. Ever. He/the org are far too enamored of the whole "we've only had three coaches since 1840!"/the ginned up "non-losing streak" sorts of things (to say nothing of Mike being his dad's Rooney Rule hire).

Trade? I think that would be something maaaaaybe he'd be able to be convinced of given years to get used to it, but even that I doubt he'd have grapes for. Easier to just let him coach out his contract and do the whole "Mike's decided to go do something else" angle, or something similar, at this point. Which is precisely what I expect Art to do: He'll step down as primary in a couple of years, Mike won't be retained, and we'll see what other changes are made in the org. I expect it's going to pretty much be status quo until 2027.

Getting rid of either coordinator really won't matter. The philosophy, especially on defense, is Mike's and will remain the team's for as long as Mike's in the building. I could see them canning Austin in the offseason as red meat to throw to the plebes, but that's all it will really amount to. New guy will be under same directive: Call Mike's scheme.

 

[steelcityman]

The fan base is finally starting to catch up to where a lot of us have been on Tomlin for years now.

How many guys would still have a job if they only have 4 seasons out of 19 with a playoff win? Or 8+ years without a playoff win? Or 3 playoff wins in 15 years?

Ownership has been comfortable because the national media loves him and enough of the fan base supports him that 8, 9, or 10 wins has been enough. Now the national media has started picking up on it and the fans are getting more and more tired of the lack of discipline, declining performance, and lack of adjustments. It's been this way since 2011 after his run with Cowher's team, not just since Ben retired. The goodwill built from 2007 to 2010 is finally starting to wear out.

Losing 3 or 4 of the next 5 would finally start to put some real pressure on the team to change.

When Tomlin took over he did not take over a 3-13 team starting a rebuild.

When he took over they had all the pieces in place including a young franchise QB, and give credit he won with those pieces. That was 16 years ago.

Steelers remind me of the Detroit Red Wings after they won a few Stanley Cups and were on the decline, but still squeaked into the playoffs ever year. All we heard is 25 years in a row making the playoffs. Team did not say the last 10 they were knocked out in the first or second round.

I am sure Tomlin is a good coach but even he looks like he has lost the fire in his belly in Pitt. They will never fire him so he would have to resign. End up in the booth for a year then some team will pay him big to come back.

Really, ^this^ is all that matters. I said it many times... you either have THE quarterback, or you don't... and it's a crap shoot.

Fortunate to have had Big Ben, but also a little unfortunate that there were two better QBs (in the same division) during his entire career. I would put Ben on the tier with Philip Rivers (how many Super Bowls did Rivers get to?).

These guys don't grow on trees and for every five (5) "generational talents" coming out of college, it feels like... 2 bust, 2 are good (not great), and 1 actually lives up to the hype. Oh, and you have to be drafting top 10 to get a sniff at one (preferably top 5).

Look at MIN, CLE, and maybe LVR (the latter probably having a QB situation that the other 2 envy)... they have no hope... none. MIN self-inflicted (missed on the QB), CLE feels like they are paying 5-6 QBs on other rosters (or out of football), and LVR have an outdated HC that trusted his old buddy QB.

I would rank the Steelers QB room 4th worst behind these 3 teams. And I don't want to hear about "PIT has failed to develop any QBs" when we all know they haven't been in a position to draft one. If Rogers/Rudolph was part of the "Steelers are ALL IN" plan this off-season? Well, pretty easy to see how that was going to end up. Rudolph is a professional clipboard-holder and Rogers hasn't been Aaron Roger in maybe... 5 years? Combine that with a bunch of old dudes on defense... that's a 0.500 club at best.

If Tomlin gets fired, he's NYG's HC 2 minutes later and PIT is still the same mid-pack, no-QB-having team... like all the others in the NFL looking for the same thing.

Who were the 2 better QBs in the AFC north when Ben was playing his entire career? Or do you mean AFC, because thats the conference, not the division. Brady and Manning, yeah, they were better, but not Flacco or Carson Palmer.

I find it funny the Giants or any team would scoop up Tomlin in 2 minutes. He's outdated, still playing 2008 NFL. He cant have useful coordinators, he needs yes men, he doesnt develop draft picks, he doesnt know a QB if one slapped him in the face. Maybe he needs a new start as much as the Steeler do.

Klint Kubiak is a guy the Steelers should consider, and if what you say is true, why dont the Giants trade a 2nd rd pick for Tomlin? I dont even need/want a first, heck, I'd be happy with a 3 and 5.
He'd ruin Dart in a season.

 

[steelcityman]

Say what you want about Tomlin, and most of it he deserves, but Rooney is not firing him, and paying him $16M or whatever he makes to NOT coach the Steelers. I just think Rooney is happy making his money, and doesnt even want to think about interviewing coaches. He wont even fire 2 incompetent coordinators. the whole franchise is just stale, owner, HC and 2 coordinators. A once powerhouse of an org, is just in purgatory now.

I don't believe anyone reasonable that pays even mild attention to the team has ever thought Art II will fire Tomlin. He won't. Ever. He/the org are far too enamored of the whole "we've only had three coaches since 1840!"/the ginned up "non-losing streak" sorts of things (to say nothing of Mike being his dad's Rooney Rule hire).

Trade? I think that would be something maaaaaybe he'd be able to be convinced of given years to get used to it, but even that I doubt he'd have grapes for. Easier to just let him coach out his contract and do the whole "Mike's decided to go do something else" angle, or something similar, at this point. Which is precisely what I expect Art to do: He'll step down as primary in a couple of years, Mike won't be retained, and we'll see what other changes are made in the org. I expect it's going to pretty much be status quo until 2027.

Getting rid of either coordinator really won't matter. The philosophy, especially on defense, is Mike's and will remain the teams for as long as Mike's in the building.

Can the DC, let Tomlin call the defense 100%. Let Artie Smith do whatever he wants on offense. Try anything!!! SOS aint working.
IDK about 2027, they lose at Bmore this week, and then flop to the Dolphins on MNF in 2 weeks, that stadium might burn to the ground. Fire Tomlin chants will flow mightier than the Ohio River, and in prime time. It took that to fire Canada a few years back.

But, they'll need to beat Bmore week 18 to go 9-8, keep the suckers showing up. Its sad. Stadium already has plenty of empty seats, something unimaginable not so long ago.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

How does Watt have 0s across the board? How do we sit in Cover-3 all game letting folks be open AND not being able to stop the run -- at all? The DC needs to go. It has been terrible communication and scheme the whole tenure.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

We have the Ravens twice. These last weeks will all essentially be playoff games and atmospheres. The team beats the Ravens twice and gets on a roll with an identity, the AFC is wide open, and it can be 2005 . . . .

 

[3C's]

Klint Kubiak is a guy the Steelers should consider,

Bingo!

 

[Dizzy]

The fan base is finally starting to catch up to where a lot of us have been on Tomlin for years now.

How many guys would still have a job if they only have 4 seasons out of 19 with a playoff win? Or 8+ years without a playoff win? Or 3 playoff wins in 15 years?

Ownership has been comfortable because the national media loves him and enough of the fan base supports him that 8, 9, or 10 wins has been enough. Now the national media has started picking up on it and the fans are getting more and more tired of the lack of discipline, declining performance, and lack of adjustments. It's been this way since 2011 after his run with Cowher's team, not just since Ben retired. The goodwill built from 2007 to 2010 is finally starting to wear out.

Losing 3 or 4 of the next 5 would finally start to put some real pressure on the team to change.

When Tomlin took over he did not take over a 3-13 team starting a rebuild.

When he took over they had all the pieces in place including a young franchise QB, and give credit he won with those pieces. That was 16 years ago.

Steelers remind me of the Detroit Red Wings after they won a few Stanley Cups and were on the decline, but still squeaked into the playoffs ever year. All we heard is 25 years in a row making the playoffs. Team did not say the last 10 they were knocked out in the first or second round.

I am sure Tomlin is a good coach but even he looks like he has lost the fire in his belly in Pitt. They will never fire him so he would have to resign. End up in the booth for a year then some team will pay him big to come back.

Really, ^this^ is all that matters. I said it many times... you either have THE quarterback, or you don't... and it's a crap shoot.

Fortunate to have had Big Ben, but also a little unfortunate that there were two better QBs (in the same division) during his entire career. I would put Ben on the tier with Philip Rivers (how many Super Bowls did Rivers get to?).

These guys don't grow on trees and for every five (5) "generational talents" coming out of college, it feels like... 2 bust, 2 are good (not great), and 1 actually lives up to the hype. Oh, and you have to be drafting top 10 to get a sniff at one (preferably top 5).

Look at MIN, CLE, and maybe LVR (the latter probably having a QB situation that the other 2 envy)... they have no hope... none. MIN self-inflicted (missed on the QB), CLE feels like they are paying 5-6 QBs on other rosters (or out of football), and LVR have an outdated HC that trusted his old buddy QB.

I would rank the Steelers QB room 4th worst behind these 3 teams. And I don't want to hear about "PIT has failed to develop any QBs" when we all know they haven't been in a position to draft one. If Rogers/Rudolph was part of the "Steelers are ALL IN" plan this off-season? Well, pretty easy to see how that was going to end up. Rudolph is a professional clipboard-holder and Rogers hasn't been Aaron Roger in maybe... 5 years? Combine that with a bunch of old dudes on defense... that's a 0.500 club at best.

If Tomlin gets fired, he's NYG's HC 2 minutes later and PIT is still the same mid-pack, no-QB-having team... like all the others in the NFL looking for the same thing.

Who were the 2 better QBs in the AFC north when Ben was playing his entire career? Or do you mean AFC, because thats the conference, not the division. Brady and Manning, yeah, they were better, but not Flacco or Carson Palmer.

I find it funny the Giants or any team would scoop up Tomlin in 2 minutes. He's outdated, still playing 2008 NFL. He cant have useful coordinators, he needs yes men, he doesnt develop draft picks, he doesnt know a QB if one slapped him in the face. Maybe he needs a new start as much as the Steeler do.

Klint Kubiak is a guy the Steelers should consider, and if what you say is true, why dont the Giants trade a 2nd rd pick for Tomlin? I dont even need/want a first, heck, I'd be happy with a 3 and 5.
He'd ruin Dart in a season.

Sorry, my bad, yes I was referring to the AFC (conference)... Manning and Brady (of course).

Tomlin is a presence. He can lead. He is a true HC... all just my opinion. He would be hands-off on the offense (on NYG).

Steelers GM gets a pass in a lot of these conversations; however, maybe Ownership mettles more than I know in these matters. Instead of paying 30+ year old defenders, packaging them w/ draft picks to move up and grab a (potential) franchise QB would have been a franchise-changing move (albeit a very unpopular one). To me, the Steelers front office seems to be happy being just good enough to "make the play-offs" but completely unwilling to make the moves necessary to build a contender.

 

[Dizzy]

We have the Ravens twice. These last weeks will all essentially be playoff games and atmospheres. The team beats the Ravens twice and gets on a roll with an identity, the AFC is wide open, and it can be 2005 . . . .

Honestly, the Ravens boat is taking on water as well. Jackson is hobbled and nowhere near the threat that he should be.

CIN is going to win this Division.

 

[fred_1_15301]

We have the Ravens twice. These last weeks will all essentially be playoff games and atmospheres. The team beats the Ravens twice and gets on a roll with an identity, the AFC is wide open, and it can be 2005 . . . .

This doesn’t have a 2005 feel to it at all. We have been trending in the wrong direction for quite some time now. Yesterday almost felt like an away game with Bills fans taking over. Almost. Completely embarrassing but maybe that’s what it will take for change (I.e. the team continues to embarrass themselves)

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

We have the Ravens twice. These last weeks will all essentially be playoff games and atmospheres. The team beats the Ravens twice and gets on a roll with an identity, the AFC is wide open, and it can be 2005 . . . .

This doesn’t have a 2005 feel to it at all. We have been trending in the wrong direction for quite some time now. Yesterday almost felt like an away game with Bills fans taking over. Almost. Completely embarrassing but maybe that’s what it will take for change (I.e. the team continues to embarrass themselves)

I don't recall what 2005 felt like before they went on the winning streak.

We have limited weapons, but ones that SHOULD fit the offense, and we don't seem to use them. It's odd.