46% of Americans would like to see a third political party emerge (1 Viewer)

[ElGatoLoco]

I agree IK. The two parties ARE the middle of the road. Those screaming for another party and suggesting there is widespread support for a party that holds their exact views are folks who don't know much about politics.

That's completely wrong. In fact, there is a tried-and-true political model, used for thousands of years, where a leader's EXACT views become adopted by the public. Its referred to as "cult of personality". It doesn't matter what view the leader holds - because it came from THAT person, the public accepts it. A classic example would be Hitler. What Hitler believed was irrelevant. He had a cult of personality that swept across Germany. Whatever his exact views were became what the people wanted.

And we're off...

 

[timschochet]

That's completely wrong. In fact, there is a tried-and-true political model, used for thousands of years, where a leader's EXACT views become adopted by the public. Its referred to as "cult of personality". It doesn't matter what view the leader holds - because it came from THAT person, the public accepts it. A classic example would be Hitler. What Hitler believed was irrelevant. He had a cult of personality that swept across Germany. Whatever his exact views were became what the people wanted.

Not only are your statements untrue, they are actually a very dangerous misunderstanding of history. Almost all of Adolf Hitler's agenda was desired by the mass majority of Germans long before he ever rose to power or was even well known. And the small parts that were not desired, he kept secret from the public. A much better example of the "cult of personality" would be Josef Stalin, but even that doesn't mean what you think it does. The Russian people never came to "want" what Stalin wanted'; they simply accepted him as the leader.However, there has never been an American president who had the "cult of personality". There have been some charismatic presidents, like FDR, JFK, Reagan, and Obama, but none of them had the "cult of personality."

 

[Da Guru]

A moderate libertarian party dedicated to incrementalism would be hard to ignore.

The time is now. There are many people who are not happy with the state of our government as it stands.

 

[The Commish]

The question shouldn't be "will it happen"....the question should be "will it be able to meet the monetary promises the dems and repubs offer". Voters these days are voting for those promising them the world. Is it as simple as a third party coming in and making the same promises right off the bat? If they do, then how do they distinguish themselves from teh status quo in the existing two parties.

Would be interesting to see this play out for sure.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

I think I might run in 2012.

 

[Sarnoff]

Anyone following the NY 23rd district race? 3rd party challenger just forced out the republican nominee. Should be interesting.

 

[Fennis]

Anyone following the NY 23rd district race? 3rd party challenger just forced out the republican nominee. Should be interesting.

This race deserves its own thread. The national GOP is doing exactly what I said it would do in the sunner of 2008 when I left the Republican Party, they are marginalizing themselves. For me, the perfect comparison is the CA party, which went from the dominant party in the state to one that selected more and one conservative candidates, each one more consertive than the next. As the party did that, moderates would leave and it left behind would be an even more conservative base. It took the perfect storm for Schwarzenegger to become governor, but the GOP is still irrelevant in CA.People like Palin and the tea party folks, are marginalizing the national party even further.

Newt Gingrich: “If you seek to be a perfect minority, you’ll remain a minority"

Lindsay Graham: “I'm not going to leave the Republican Party. I'm going to grow it. We're not going to be the party of angry white guys."

Mark McKinnon: "If the Republican party does not expand its tent, it's going to turn into a circus, and it's going to become a minority freak show that sort of features Rush Limbaugh and **** Cheney."

These folks are in a fight for their party and sadly they are losing. The end result won't be a third party. It will be a far right GOP that wins 35% of the vote every election.

 

[MCguidance]

Proportional representation might be the trick.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Is this getting any better?

 

[Orlando RMF]

A moderate libertarian party dedicated to incrementalism would be hard to ignore.

The time is now. There are many people who are not happy with the state of our government as it stands.

TEA Party/Libertarian Party = No Solution/do nothing party. When ever I hear rhetoric from the TEA Party it is always that we should stop doing something or let someone else do it who doesn't have nearly the resource to do it. When the government shut down the TEA expressed their displeasure with the closure of National Parks and monuments. Something they do not think the government should be funding anyway.

A moderate democratic/republic party one who believes in serving the people first and not their party first is what I would like to see.

 

[quickhands]

A moderate libertarian party dedicated to incrementalism would be hard to ignore.

The time is now. There are many people who are not happy with the state of our government as it stands.

TEA Party/Libertarian Party = No Solution/do nothing party. When ever I hear rhetoric from the TEA Party it is always that we should stop doing something or let someone else do it who doesn't have nearly the resource to do it. When the government shut down the TEA expressed their displeasure with the closure of National Parks and monuments. Something they do not think the government should be funding anyway. A moderate democratic/republic party one who believes in serving the people first and not their party first is what I would like to see.

You and timsochet both.

 

[joffer]

Gary ####ing Johnson

 

[IvanKaramazov]

A moderate democratic/republic party one who believes in serving the people first and not their party first is what I would like to see.

Government doesn't work that way. Actually, I'm not sure that any organization anywhere works that way, but definitely not government.

 

[Todd Andrews]

A moderate democratic/republic party one who believes in serving the people first and not their party first is what I would like to see.

Government doesn't work that way. Actually, I'm not sure that any organization anywhere works that way, but definitely not government.

I dont know. It sounds like our system used to be more like that. Im thinking of Ike.

I personally would like to see a third or more parties so that there are more than two choices at the Presidential level, at least. I dont believe in joining political parties, but I do want more choices. I just cant see it happening unless we change how we finance our political system and get the special interest money out. I am in favor of full public financing of federal elections. It would allow grassroots parties and candidates to have a shot and would break the duopoly the two lame existing parties have now.

 

[Fennis]

Anyone following the NY 23rd district race? 3rd party challenger just forced out the republican nominee. Should be interesting.

This race deserves its own thread. The national GOP is doing exactly what I said it would do in the sunner of 2008 when I left the Republican Party, they are marginalizing themselves. For me, the perfect comparison is the CA party, which went from the dominant party in the state to one that selected more and one conservative candidates, each one more consertive than the next. As the party did that, moderates would leave and it left behind would be an even more conservative base. It took the perfect storm for Schwarzenegger to become governor, but the GOP is still irrelevant in CA.People like Palin and the tea party folks, are marginalizing the national party even further.

Newt Gingrich: If you seek to be a perfect minority, youll remain a minority"

Lindsay Graham: I'm not going to leave the Republican Party. I'm going to grow it. We're not going to be the party of angry white guys."

Mark McKinnon: "If the Republican party does not expand its tent, it's going to turn into a circus, and it's going to become a minority freak show that sort of features Rush Limbaugh and **** Cheney."

These folks are in a fight for their party and sadly they are losing. The end result won't be a third party. It will be a far right GOP that wins 35% of the vote every election.

these folks lost the battle

 

[Fennis]

Gary ####ing Johnson

here's to 2% this time

 

[BeaverCleaver]

A moderate democratic/republic party one who believes in serving the people first and not their party first is what I would like to see.

Government doesn't work that way. Actually, I'm not sure that any organization anywhere works that way, but definitely not government.

I dont know. It sounds like our system used to be more like that. Im thinking of Ike.

I personally would like to see a third or more parties so that there are more than two choices at the Presidential level, at least. I dont believe in joining political parties, but I do want more choices. I just cant see it happening unless we change how we finance our political system and get the special interest money out. I am in favor of full public financing of federal elections. It would allow grassroots parties and candidates to have a shot and would break the duopoly the two lame existing parties have now.

you always claim to be independent yet your rants are 99% directed at the Republican Party.

 

[joffer]

Gary ####ing Johnson

here's to 2% this time

 

[Todd Andrews]

A moderate democratic/republic party one who believes in serving the people first and not their party first is what I would like to see.

Government doesn't work that way. Actually, I'm not sure that any organization anywhere works that way, but definitely not government.

I dont know. It sounds like our system used to be more like that. Im thinking of Ike.

I personally would like to see a third or more parties so that there are more than two choices at the Presidential level, at least. I dont believe in joining political parties, but I do want more choices. I just cant see it happening unless we change how we finance our political system and get the special interest money out. I am in favor of full public financing of federal elections. It would allow grassroots parties and candidates to have a shot and would break the duopoly the two lame existing parties have now.

you always claim to be independent yet your rants are 99% directed at the Republican Party.

I have nothing against Republicans although I dont agree with a lot of their policies. I cant stand most Democratic politicians and many of their policies, either.

But I am vehemently anti-KooK. The problem is that the GOP has become the party of the KooKs so because I am anti-KooK, I also appear to be anti-Republican.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

A moderate democratic/republic party one who believes in serving the people first and not their party first is what I would like to see.

Government doesn't work that way. Actually, I'm not sure that any organization anywhere works that way, but definitely not government.

I dont know. It sounds like our system used to be more like that. Im thinking of Ike.

I personally would like to see a third or more parties so that there are more than two choices at the Presidential level, at least. I dont believe in joining political parties, but I do want more choices. I just cant see it happening unless we change how we finance our political system and get the special interest money out. I am in favor of full public financing of federal elections. It would allow grassroots parties and candidates to have a shot and would break the duopoly the two lame existing parties have now.

you always claim to be independent yet your rants are 99% directed at the Republican Party.

I have nothing against Republicans although I dont agree with a lot of their policies. I cant stand most Democratic politicians and many of their policies, either.

But I am vehemently anti-KooK. The problem is that the GOP has become the party of the KooKs so because I am anti-KooK, I also appear to be anti-Republican.

Yet...you are one of the biggest left wingers on this board.

 

[Todd Andrews]

A moderate democratic/republic party one who believes in serving the people first and not their party first is what I would like to see.

Government doesn't work that way. Actually, I'm not sure that any organization anywhere works that way, but definitely not government.

I dont know. It sounds like our system used to be more like that. Im thinking of Ike.

I personally would like to see a third or more parties so that there are more than two choices at the Presidential level, at least. I dont believe in joining political parties, but I do want more choices. I just cant see it happening unless we change how we finance our political system and get the special interest money out. I am in favor of full public financing of federal elections. It would allow grassroots parties and candidates to have a shot and would break the duopoly the two lame existing parties have now.

you always claim to be independent yet your rants are 99% directed at the Republican Party.

I have nothing against Republicans although I dont agree with a lot of their policies. I cant stand most Democratic politicians and many of their policies, either.

But I am vehemently anti-KooK. The problem is that the GOP has become the party of the KooKs so because I am anti-KooK, I also appear to be anti-Republican.

Yet...you are one of the biggest left wingers on this board.

Why do you say that? What positions do I take that are "left wing"?

 

[MaxThreshold]

A moderate democratic/republic party one who believes in serving the people first and not their party first is what I would like to see.

Government doesn't work that way. Actually, I'm not sure that any organization anywhere works that way, but definitely not government.

I dont know. It sounds like our system used to be more like that. Im thinking of Ike.

I personally would like to see a third or more parties so that there are more than two choices at the Presidential level, at least. I dont believe in joining political parties, but I do want more choices. I just cant see it happening unless we change how we finance our political system and get the special interest money out. I am in favor of full public financing of federal elections. It would allow grassroots parties and candidates to have a shot and would break the duopoly the two lame existing parties have now.

you always claim to be independent yet your rants are 99% directed at the Republican Party.

I have nothing against Republicans although I dont agree with a lot of their policies. I cant stand most Democratic politicians and many of their policies, either.

But I am vehemently anti-KooK. The problem is that the GOP has become the party of the KooKs so because I am anti-KooK, I also appear to be anti-Republican.

Yet...you are one of the biggest left wingers on this board.

JHC. MIchael Moore, Danny Glover, Harry Belefonte and Sean Penn all call Todd "the crazy left".

 

[timschochet]

Since I started this thread 5 years ago, something new has occurred (or perhaps, given the fact that it's happened before in our history, re-occurred): the two parties are as entrenched as ever, but there is a growing division between the "Establishment" and its opponents. We see this emerging in the debates over NSA, Iraq, the Tea Party movement, Occupy Wall Street, etc. Right now those who are disgusted with the "Establishment" in power have grown very loud. How much these rebels will be able to actually influence events remains in question.

 

[Todd Andrews]

A moderate democratic/republic party one who believes in serving the people first and not their party first is what I would like to see.

Government doesn't work that way. Actually, I'm not sure that any organization anywhere works that way, but definitely not government.

I dont know. It sounds like our system used to be more like that. Im thinking of Ike.

I personally would like to see a third or more parties so that there are more than two choices at the Presidential level, at least. I dont believe in joining political parties, but I do want more choices. I just cant see it happening unless we change how we finance our political system and get the special interest money out. I am in favor of full public financing of federal elections. It would allow grassroots parties and candidates to have a shot and would break the duopoly the two lame existing parties have now.

you always claim to be independent yet your rants are 99% directed at the Republican Party.

I have nothing against Republicans although I dont agree with a lot of their policies. I cant stand most Democratic politicians and many of their policies, either.

But I am vehemently anti-KooK. The problem is that the GOP has become the party of the KooKs so because I am anti-KooK, I also appear to be anti-Republican.

Yet...you are one of the biggest left wingers on this board.

JHC. MIchael Moore, Danny Glover, Harry Belefonte and Sean Penn all call Todd "the crazy left".

Why do you say that, MaxKooK? What positions do I take that are "crazy left"?

 

[Riversco]

Since I started this thread 5 years ago, something new has occurred (or perhaps, given the fact that it's happened before in our history, re-occurred): the two parties are as entrenched as ever, but there is a growing division between the "Establishment" and its opponents. We see this emerging in the debates over NSA, Iraq, the Tea Party movement, Occupy Wall Street, etc. Right now those who are disgusted with the "Establishment" in power have grown very loud. How much these rebels will be able to actually influence events remains in question.

Its gridlock forever. Democrats have completely lost rural voters and they can't hold the House without them because of districts. Republicans have completely lost all the major cities so they can never win the presidency again. Its boring. Best thing to do is forget about politics and do something else.

 

[Koya]

I'd start the party, if I weren't so busy hiding and creating skeletons every which way I go.

 

[Parrothead]

the problem is, anyone worth electing is too smart to run for office in the first place.. We end up with shallow, power hungry, narcissistic candidates to only care about their team winning and blaming the other guys..

 

[Thunderlips]

Of course Americans want to see a third Party. But....American's who think this but are already party affiliated want people from the other side to commit to it first.

 

[jon_mx]

Both parties are firmly committed to expanding the role of government, and are not concerned with the deficit. Either someone get realistic about deficit reduction, or there is a huge opportunity for a third party.

 

[pantagrapher]

There are already more than two parties.

 

[Bojang0301]

Sooooo it's been 300 years, time to make some changes. Unfortunately its already spiraling quickly in the wrong direction. Instead of the elimination of the guise of political parties, heavly financed campaigns and lobbyists. These things have become embraced, entrenched and expanded. Everyone says this, that and the other is too big to change and maybe it is the thin line that keeps us in order versus anarchy but the direction we're going can not be sustained. We need reasonable, bright and open minded men and women working together to straighten the US's path. Money needs to be taken out of politics like a balloon that flies closer to the sun with too much helium. Strict campaign caps, no PAC's/Super PAC's/Private outside influence in elections and forcing a balanced budget with NO deficit needs to be the priorities. Allow our creative minds to be creative again so we can move past reliance on fossil fuels and embrace alternate energy sources. We have all the natural resources you can ever ask for in the mainland 48 and Alaska, why must we force globalism as a must? I'm not saying bury our head in the sand but we should be dictating the world markets. We used too and we pissed it away by letting all of our companies go overseas in a mass exodus. Now our people want to live beyond their means with jobs that really have little to no tangible skill. This is not sustainable and smart people know the writing is on the wall.