5x5 H2H Roto--#3 overall pick (1 Viewer)

[Bigboy10182000]

This may be a minor issue but I want to make sure I have the best people on my team. Right now my last bench spot belongs to Leonya Martin...I've reviewed the FA pool and I noticed that Adam Eaton is still out there. After a little research it looks like Eaton is supposed to bat leadoff while Martin is slated to bat 9th. Is that enough to make the move in your opinion?

NoFirst off, lets compare teams. the best I can do is look at recent data

In 2013 the Rangers scored 730 runs, the ChiSox 598

In 2012 the Rangers scored 802 vs 748 for Chicago

so, right off the bat, you have to figure the Rangers will score more runs.

Next, you need to look at situations.

The Rangers outfield is pretty set with Choo, Rios and Martin. They have lost a number of 4th of type guys over the past few years, guys like Murphy, Gentry, that would get 100 or so games out of the of position. Barring injury, I think Martin will get a ton of starts and he is their best option at CF.

The White Sox have 4 starting OF's on their team and a number of other options if need be. Eaton should get the bulk of starts, but barring a trade, he very well may see the bench a few times per week.

Will batting 1st garner Eaton a few extra ab's over the course of the season? Sure, if he plays 140 games. But I think Eaton gets between 450 - 500 ab's this year and Martin 550 or more ab's (again barring injury).

And managers of both teams like to run, texas with nearly 200 attempted sb's last year, chisox with 150, so all things being equal, I'll take my chance with the team that I think scores more runs, and the guy I think gets about 75-100 more ab's.

That's an interesting take and thanks for the input.

550 AB's seems like a bit on the high end for a 9 hitter though. He missed 15 games last season and had 457 AB's. If he maintains his average of 3 AB's per game he'll barely crack 500 last year. I'm not sure what your typical lead off hitter gets but it seems like it would exceed 500. He's also a career .220 hitter against lefties, if he doesn't hit them better this year wouldn't he be heading toward a platoon?

After I made the move I read this on yahoo and made me feel pretty good about the decision:

Adam Eaton, CHW - With his speed and ability to get on base (.450 career minor-league OBP), there weren't too many buzzier players heading into the '13 season than Eaton. But a sprained elbow in the spring rained on his parade. Now, relocated to Chicago's South Side, there's much less fanfare for Eaton heading into '14 - his Yahoo ADP is way down at No. 224 overall. But everything we liked about Eaton still remains. The expected leadoff hitter for the ChiSox is tearing up the Cactus League, and it's not far-fetched to think he can score 80-90 runs, hit 10 home runs, steal 20-30 bases, all with a batting average north of .280. If he comes close to those numbers, he'll be an absolute draft-day steal.

 

[the moops]

AB's should be replaced with PA's in the above discussion.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

AB's should be replaced with PA's in the above discussion.

How drastically would that change your view on both players?

 

[guru_007]

This may be a minor issue but I want to make sure I have the best people on my team. Right now my last bench spot belongs to Leonya Martin...I've reviewed the FA pool and I noticed that Adam Eaton is still out there. After a little research it looks like Eaton is supposed to bat leadoff while Martin is slated to bat 9th. Is that enough to make the move in your opinion?

NoFirst off, lets compare teams. the best I can do is look at recent data

In 2013 the Rangers scored 730 runs, the ChiSox 598

In 2012 the Rangers scored 802 vs 748 for Chicago

so, right off the bat, you have to figure the Rangers will score more runs.

Next, you need to look at situations.

The Rangers outfield is pretty set with Choo, Rios and Martin. They have lost a number of 4th of type guys over the past few years, guys like Murphy, Gentry, that would get 100 or so games out of the of position. Barring injury, I think Martin will get a ton of starts and he is their best option at CF.

The White Sox have 4 starting OF's on their team and a number of other options if need be. Eaton should get the bulk of starts, but barring a trade, he very well may see the bench a few times per week.

Will batting 1st garner Eaton a few extra ab's over the course of the season? Sure, if he plays 140 games. But I think Eaton gets between 450 - 500 ab's this year and Martin 550 or more ab's (again barring injury).

And managers of both teams like to run, texas with nearly 200 attempted sb's last year, chisox with 150, so all things being equal, I'll take my chance with the team that I think scores more runs, and the guy I think gets about 75-100 more ab's.

That's an interesting take and thanks for the input.

550 AB's seems like a bit on the high end for a 9 hitter though. He missed 15 games last season and had 457 AB's. If he maintains his average of 3 AB's per game he'll barely crack 500 last year. I'm not sure what your typical lead off hitter gets but it seems like it would exceed 500. He's also a career .220 hitter against lefties, if he doesn't hit them better this year wouldn't he be heading toward a platoon?

After I made the move I read this on yahoo and made me feel pretty good about the decision:

Adam Eaton, CHW - With his speed and ability to get on base (.450 career minor-league OBP), there weren't too many buzzier players heading into the '13 season than Eaton. But a sprained elbow in the spring rained on his parade. Now, relocated to Chicago's South Side, there's much less fanfare for Eaton heading into '14 - his Yahoo ADP is way down at No. 224 overall. But everything we liked about Eaton still remains. The expected leadoff hitter for the ChiSox is tearing up the Cactus League, and it's not far-fetched to think he can score 80-90 runs, hit 10 home runs, steal 20-30 bases, all with a batting average north of .280. If he comes close to those numbers, he'll be an absolute draft-day steal.

Just a few things....

First off, you are assuming Martin will be in the 9 hole all year long. Obviously this is not set in stone.

Second, you disregard entirely my note that the Rangers outfield has lost a few contributors that saw a lot of starts in years past.

Thirdly, just compare the two guys major league stats, as they are roughly the same age:

Martin

511 abs, .254 average, .306 obp, 8 hr's, 55 rbis, 74 runs, 39 sb's

Eaton

380 abs, .254 average, .332 obp, 5 hrs, 27 rbis, 59 runs, 7 sb's

I see no reason not to expect an average for each about the same, hr's about the same, slightly more rbi's for Martin, runs about the same (again, I am taking into account both teams offensive productions to assume Rangers will have a better offense again this year as in year's past).

The differences are Eaton's obp should be quite a bit better (I have .345 vs .330 in my projections), but look at the sb disparity. I have MArtin for 35-40 and Eaton 20.

All things being equal, I do not see a glaring case for Eaton having much if any more value than Martin at all.

I don't know what Martin's ADP is vs. Eatons, but being that either is going to be your 5th outfielder, I don't see the upside to swapping out. the obp bump is nowhere near the sb potential difference, imho. What other categories do you find a substantial advantage in the favor of Eaton?

And again, all of this doesn't take into account that the White Sox do have 4 every day outfielders (at least, as their 5th of is raking in st this year), while as the Rangers don't really have an every day player on their bench, just a few young guys.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Just a few things....

First off, you are assuming Martin will be in the 9 hole all year long. Obviously this is not set in stone.

Second, you disregard entirely my note that the Rangers outfield has lost a few contributors that saw a lot of starts in years past.

Thirdly, just compare the two guys major league stats, as they are roughly the same age:

Martin

511 abs, .254 average, .306 obp, 8 hr's, 55 rbis, 74 runs, 39 sb's

Eaton

380 abs, .254 average, .332 obp, 5 hrs, 27 rbis, 59 runs, 7 sb's

I see no reason not to expect an average for each about the same, hr's about the same, slightly more rbi's for Martin, runs about the same (again, I am taking into account both teams offensive productions to assume Rangers will have a better offense again this year as in year's past).

The differences are Eaton's obp should be quite a bit better (I have .345 vs .330 in my projections), but look at the sb disparity. I have MArtin for 35-40 and Eaton 20.

All things being equal, I do not see a glaring case for Eaton having much if any more value than Martin at all.

I don't know what Martin's ADP is vs. Eatons, but being that either is going to be your 5th outfielder, I don't see the upside to swapping out. the obp bump is nowhere near the sb potential difference, imho. What other categories do you find a substantial advantage in the favor of Eaton?

And again, all of this doesn't take into account that the White Sox do have 4 every day outfielders (at least, as their 5th of is raking in st this year), while as the Rangers don't really have an every day player on their bench, just a few young guys.

Admittedly I'm new to FBB and I'm learning on the fly here. What I posted was the info I had at the time I made the move.

First, I did assume he would bat 9...everywhere I read has Choo lead-off with Andrus 2...I did assume that if Choo's elbow were to become an issue that they would just put Andrus there. I thought he batted lead-off last year for them.

Second, I dont know enough about that situation to comment, that's why I didnt touch it.

Third, I did compare their stats....maybe the wrong ones? What stood out to me was Martin's second half #'s, how bad he hits LHP and his K's. I didnt have that same feeling when I read up on Eaton. He seemed to be locked into their leadoff spot as well and from what I understand he's been one of their best hitters this spring.

From what I gathered it appeared as if the only category Martin would beat him in is SB's. I dont know enough about either player to make a prediction either and its my last bench spot.

I appreciate the feedback

 

[Bigboy10182000]

oh man. i so hope cano makes it to me at #9

How'd your draft go?

 

[the moops]

C - Perez

1B - Davis, Adams, Teixeira

2B - Kinsler

3B - Wright, Arenado

SS - Segura

OF - Jones

OF - Bruce

OF - Pence

OF - Eaton

OF - Yelich

SP - Gonzalez

SP - Hamels

SP - Iwakuma

SP - Weaver

SP - Burnett

SP - Ross

SP - Estrada

SP - Smyly

SP - Quintana

RP - Robertson

RP - Parnell

RP - Clippard

 

[the moops]

Cano went at 7. Was choosing between Harper and Davis at 9. Went with Davis but then faced with Jones or Tulo in round 2. Not sure I like having 2 Orioles in the first 2 rounds.

Didn't plan on going 3B in round 3 but Wright fell to me. Planned on taking Bruce in round 4 from the beginning.

Wanted to go pitcher next but didn't like anyone so started filling in spits with Segura at SS, Pence as my 3rd OF, and Kindler at 2B.

Liked getting Gio, Hamels, Roberson, Weaver, Iwakuma, Burnett over the next 6 rounds to decent about my core pitching.

 

[the moops]

Filled out my lineup with Perez at catcher and Adams as UTIL. Grabbed 2nd RP in Parnell then some hugh upside guys in Arenado,Tyson Ross, and Eaton.

Finished things up with some depth at SP, a good ratio guy in Clippard, and some flyers on Teix and Yeluch