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$75000 is the happy level. in 2010 (1 Viewer)

KGB

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When I growing up, $100K was the ultimate. That was what to strive for.


Is the new $75K.............. $150K? $250K?

I think the "great american dream" is $200K or above now.
 
For a single guy with no debt, I think $100K is plenty, even in expensive areas. That's like $65-$75K post taxes, or $5-6K/month.
 
For a single guy with no debt, I think $100K is plenty, even in expensive areas. That's like $65-$75K post taxes, or $5-6K/month.
100k isn’t getting you far in a big city, probably looking at 3K/month rent.
I think that's true only for the most expensive cities, like NYC, SF and LA. Everywhere else $2-3K is enough. And as a single dude, I could live comfortably on the remainder, regardless.
 
Yet new findings suggest that, for most people, happiness does improve with higher earnings — up to $500,000 a year. The research could have real-world implications for tax policies or compensation strategies, co-author Matthew Killingsworth of the University of Pennsylvania said in a statement about the latest findings.
 
Mo' money, mo' problems. Once you get acclimated with spending at a certain income level you always want to make more.
This hasn't really happened with us. As we've made more our responsibilities have increased and free time decreased. My wife's inked for a 10% raise this year and while my number isn't on the table until July I'm expecting the same ball park (maybe more). The impact it will have on our spending? Fix the bathroom and save more for the kids education. I don't have any desire to allocate more to expenses and even the list of assets is limited. Fixing existing ones? Yes, but acquire new ones? Well...then I have to take care of that too. My wife's got a couple K to play around with to see broadway shows and the same for me to golf. We also added an annual vacation post covid. Cars are the same (base model caravan and corolla) and when we get a surplus we'll take the kids to a sporting event or concert. I suppose when the kids get older then the wife and I will have more free time and our desire to spend will increase, but that seems like an eternity from now.
 
Mo' money, mo' problems. Once you get acclimated with spending at a certain income level you always want to make more.
Disagree. I found it pretty easy to identify my financial comfort zone. Once achieved, I focused on cutting work hours. Most every significant raise I’ve received since then has been followed by a reduction in my FTE, such that I earn about the same, working less.
 
Mo' money, mo' problems. Once you get acclimated with spending at a certain income level you always want to make more.
This hasn't really happened with us. As we've made more our responsibilities have increased and free time decreased. My wife's inked for a 10% raise this year and while my number isn't on the table until July I'm expecting the same ball park (maybe more). The impact it will have on our spending? Fix the bathroom and save more for the kids education. I don't have any desire to allocate more to expenses and even the list of assets is limited. Fixing existing ones? Yes, but acquire new ones? Well...then I have to take care of that too. My wife's got a couple K to play around with to see broadway shows and the same for me to golf. We also added an annual vacation post covid. Cars are the same (base model caravan and corolla) and when we get a surplus we'll take the kids to a sporting event or concert. I suppose when the kids get older then the wife and I will have more free time and our desire to spend will increase, but that seems like an eternity from now.
FOr us (late 40s) as we have made more, weve kept same house and same normal cars. but have increased our investments. hope to retired soon.
 
Mo' money, mo' problems. Once you get acclimated with spending at a certain income level you always want to make more.
Disagree. I found it pretty easy to identify my financial comfort zone. Once achieved, I focused on cutting work hours. Most every significant raise I’ve received since then has been followed by a reduction in my FTE, such that I earn about the same, working less.
Done basically the same thing. I want 100k on the fewest number of hours possible. By working nights on Fri and Sat ( night and weekend diff) I can do it on 28 hours, one 16 and one 12 hour shift per week. No interest in doing more.
 
For a single guy with no debt, I think $100K is plenty, even in expensive areas. That's like $65-$75K post taxes, or $5-6K/month.
100k isn’t getting you far in a big city, probably looking at 3K/month rent.
My son is looking for a house. just a normal house in like the mesa AZ area. everything around 350K is a ****hole. housing is nuts right now
I’ve run the numbers many times. It’s not worth it right now at 7% interest. A 400k house with a 10% down payment is nearly twice what my apartment costs me. And I’ve calculated all factors……taxes, principal equity, utilities, repair and maintenance etc.
 
For a single guy with no debt, I think $100K is plenty, even in expensive areas. That's like $65-$75K post taxes, or $5-6K/month.
100k isn’t getting you far in a big city, probably looking at 3K/month rent.
My son is looking for a house. just a normal house in like the mesa AZ area. everything around 350K is a ****hole. housing is nuts right now
I’ve run the numbers many times. It’s not worth it right now at 7% interest. A 400k house with a 10% down payment is nearly twice what my apartment costs me. And I’ve calculated all factors……taxes, principal equity, utilities, repair and maintenance etc.
UGGG, what a crap situation for a young man.
 
Eventually something is going to have to give with housing and higher education prices. Middle class can't keep affording these huge increases.

America isn't near the richest when you rank by median (mid 20s??), yet it is the richest by average.

When will the camel's back break?
 
For a single guy with no debt, I think $100K is plenty, even in expensive areas. That's like $65-$75K post taxes, or $5-6K/month.
100k isn’t getting you far in a big city, probably looking at 3K/month rent.
My son is looking for a house. just a normal house in like the mesa AZ area. everything around 350K is a ****hole. housing is nuts right now
I’ve run the numbers many times. It’s not worth it right now at 7% interest. A 400k house with a 10% down payment is nearly twice what my apartment costs me. And I’ve calculated all factors……taxes, principal equity, utilities, repair and maintenance etc.
Yeah, I think home ownership is highly overrated.

That said, you earn enough you could put down a much larger down payment, get a better rate, and pay the mortgage off quickly.
 
Mo' money, mo' problems. Once you get acclimated with spending at a certain income level you always want to make more.
Disagree. I found it pretty easy to identify my financial comfort zone. Once achieved, I focused on cutting work hours. Most every significant raise I’ve received since then has been followed by a reduction in my FTE, such that I earn about the same, working less.
Done basically the same thing. I want 100k on the fewest number of hours possible. By working nights on Fri and Sat ( night and weekend diff) I can do it on 28 hours, one 16 and one 12 hour shift per week. No interest in doing more.
That sounds doable, though not a fan of the long shift. I do seven 10’s a month.
 
For a single guy with no debt, I think $100K is plenty, even in expensive areas. That's like $65-$75K post taxes, or $5-6K/month.
100k isn’t getting you far in a big city, probably looking at 3K/month rent.
My son is looking for a house. just a normal house in like the mesa AZ area. everything around 350K is a ****hole. housing is nuts right now
I’ve run the numbers many times. It’s not worth it right now at 7% interest. A 400k house with a 10% down payment is nearly twice what my apartment costs me. And I’ve calculated all factors……taxes, principal equity, utilities, repair and maintenance etc.
Yeah, I think home ownership is highly overrated.

That said, you earn enough you could put down a much larger down payment, get a better rate, and pay the mortgage off quickly.

No way. Home ownership is awesome. In the last 20 years, I've made close to $400K in property purchases/sales. The whole time I've been taking deductions on the interest. I have a 10 year tax abatement on my current property and a good $150K in equity all from simply buying, selling and upgrading my properties.
 
Eventually something is going to have to give with housing and higher education prices. Middle class can't keep affording these huge increases.

America isn't near the richest when you rank by median (mid 20s??), yet it is the richest by average.

When will the camel's back break?
Gov't will decide what happens with education. On one hand covid delayed the reset, but now that we are on the other side and the market changed acceleration appears the new reality.
 
For a single guy with no debt, I think $100K is plenty, even in expensive areas. That's like $65-$75K post taxes, or $5-6K/month.
100k isn’t getting you far in a big city, probably looking at 3K/month rent.
My son is looking for a house. just a normal house in like the mesa AZ area. everything around 350K is a ****hole. housing is nuts right now
I’ve run the numbers many times. It’s not worth it right now at 7% interest. A 400k house with a 10% down payment is nearly twice what my apartment costs me. And I’ve calculated all factors……taxes, principal equity, utilities, repair and maintenance etc.
Yeah, I think home ownership is highly overrated.

That said, you earn enough you could put down a much larger down payment, get a better rate, and pay the mortgage off quickly.
7% interest is tough for sure. Home ownership in general is great - with the right circumstances.
We rented for most of our adult lives, moving every few years and while I was tempted to buy and rent as we moved, wife wasn’t on board and I wasn’t going to push to try to do it alone.
But buying in 2016 (and then refinancing twice) has been the single Best financial move we’ve ever made.
 
Mo' money, mo' problems. Once you get acclimated with spending at a certain income level you always want to make more.
Except the problem that is showing off right now is that a lot of people WERE at a spending level they were comfortable with and now the last three years that same spending level is 30% higher just for the same basic necessities.

That's what's going on in our house. Our income is UP, we don't buy anything we weren't before and we are STILL going backwards. And we do not live extravagant at all. This economy is a mess and we are some of the lucky ones.
 
San Diego resident. Better bring your wallet. Housing is crazy but equity is really good for owners who have been paying for 20 years or so.
 
The premise that a certain dollar amount equates happiness is the stupidest thing I will read today.
I dont think its a end all be all.

but being poor sucks. I think once you can go to the grocery store and just buy, vs, what I used to have to do.

Buy 2 weeks worth of stuff on a bouncing check. If youre going to bounce, might as well eat.
 
For a single guy with no debt, I think $100K is plenty, even in expensive areas. That's like $65-$75K post taxes, or $5-6K/month.
100k isn’t getting you far in a big city, probably looking at 3K/month rent.
My son is looking for a house. just a normal house in like the mesa AZ area. everything around 350K is a ****hole. housing is nuts right now
I’ve run the numbers many times. It’s not worth it right now at 7% interest. A 400k house with a 10% down payment is nearly twice what my apartment costs me. And I’ve calculated all factors……taxes, principal equity, utilities, repair and maintenance etc.
Yeah, I think home ownership is highly overrated.

That said, you earn enough you could put down a much larger down payment, get a better rate, and pay the mortgage off quickly.

No way. Home ownership is awesome. In the last 20 years, I've made close to $400K in property purchases/sales. The whole time I've been taking deductions on the interest. I have a 10 year tax abatement on my current property and a good $150K in equity all from simply buying, selling and upgrading my properties.
As an investment, real estate is good. I’m talking more about the prospects of owning/maintaining a property.

Dealing with the various parasites in the home buying process, shopping for home furnishing/decor, yard work, fixing stuff/finding other people to do it for me in no way contribute to my happiness. Neither does earning extra money, for that matter.

It’s all about time imo, and home ownership requires a much bigger investment of one’s time than the alternatives.
 

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