pizzatyme
Footballguy
The Colts also lost C. Simon and haven't had him all season. Last night they lost Brackett.Merriman is out due to cheating.
Everyone deals with losses on both sides of the ball. The Colts are 8-0. Deal with that!
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Everyone deals with losses on both sides of the ball. The Colts are 8-0. Deal with that!
Sopranos
Footballguy
The Steelers were the best team in the NFL the last 10 games they played. Anyone that doesnt think so didnt see them play or doesnt know football. Im not a fan but they were the best when it countedTo be fair, the 2005 Steelers were playing as good as anyone in the NFL at the end of the year, and they played 3 excellent games on the road to get to the Super Bowl. Judge the Super Bowl however you want, doesn't really matter. That fact is lost on the fact that Palmer's knee was injured and Vanderjagt missed the kick (even though if Polamalu's INT had been called correctly it never would've come to that), but the Steelers played very good football to get to the Super Bowl. They lost a few games early in the year without Roethlisberger playing, but in reality, the team was far better than a #6 seed. No, they weren't as good as the 70's teams, but few teams in the history of the game were.This year, the team isn't playing well in any facet of the game, but last year's team was a very good team by the end of the year. And most importantly, they didn't beat themselves or make mistakes like the 2006 version does with regularity.How this relates to the Colts, I don't know. If a team lines up and plays the Colts in the playoffs the way the Steelers did last year, I'd expect the outcome to be the same.Agree and I understand the Steelers and the their fans for wanting to defend the SB ring...hey Steelersfans, no apologies needed as you have 4 other rings you can choke down our throats. The reality is the '05 Steelers got very lucky and had a solid ground game, could stop the run, but compared to any of the 70's Steelers that won titles...it's not even comparable. Hats off for winning it, but this year only furthers the idea that they were sort of an anomoly.I tend to agree, although, they played best when it counted (in the playoffs) and snuck away with a SB win somehow
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Considering Merriman was lost because he was suspended for you-know-what, I have little sympathy for the Chargers in that regard. As for the Colts, they are undoubtedly the best team in the league right now. Last year, their defense played very well early, but seemed to play a little worse as the season went on. If they can do the opposite this season, and get their defense playing well come playoff time, they will win the Super Bowl.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
Hey, you were the idiot who brought up injuries (and Simon's injury isn't much of a loss). I was the one pointing out that other teams deal with injuries too, seeing you seemed to think it was such a valiant effort on their part to be winning without one starter.Also, if you take the time to actually read the thread, you will notice that I already gave the Colts their props. They are the best team in the league right now and have bigger wins than anyone else in the league. Were you just looking for somebody to start a fight with?
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
So.. the fact that he is out due to a suspension shouldn't be taken into consideration as to the Chargers' relative strength or weakness? Please explain.
Sopranos
Footballguy
Most injuries are not..The Colts will lose as soon as they are forced to play a physical team that can run the ball on offense and beat the crap out of Manning & Co. on defense.
They've had the kind of continuity on offense that most teams can only dream of; couple that with tremendous talent and you have what they have. It's a precision offense with lots of playaction that falters when A) Manning gets confused (typically against 3-4 defenses that are much harder to audible against, e.g. NE, Pit, SD), and B) when Manning, and Harrison, and Wayne, etc., get abused (again, against larger defenses that can play physical and attack the QB).
The Colts are productive, and Manning is obviously among the top QBs in the league, but for all his numbers you very rarely see the guy make an actual play (as in, make something out of nothing). He executes better than anyone in the league, but the moment he gets rattled everything goes to hell (and then he blames his O-line after the game). He's like the kid who's brilliant at math because he busts his ### to memorize every last formula, but the moment you ask him to figure something out on his own he's lost (although that 30+ yard pass to Harrison on the first drive of yesterday's game is a notable exception. He got flushed out of the pocket and actually created something out of nothing; I just about crapped myself).
They're not easy to beat, but everybody knows how to go about it, and invariably (especially in the AFC), there's always one playoff team that matchs up well enough against them. I agree with the people who say that nothing has changed, although if anything I give them a better shot in January this year simply BECAUSE of all these close games that they've managed to pull out (which shows character and grit and the ability to perform even when things aren't going your way).
But that being said, I still say NE or SD knocks them off when it counts.
They've had the kind of continuity on offense that most teams can only dream of; couple that with tremendous talent and you have what they have. It's a precision offense with lots of playaction that falters when A) Manning gets confused (typically against 3-4 defenses that are much harder to audible against, e.g. NE, Pit, SD), and B) when Manning, and Harrison, and Wayne, etc., get abused (again, against larger defenses that can play physical and attack the QB).
The Colts are productive, and Manning is obviously among the top QBs in the league, but for all his numbers you very rarely see the guy make an actual play (as in, make something out of nothing). He executes better than anyone in the league, but the moment he gets rattled everything goes to hell (and then he blames his O-line after the game). He's like the kid who's brilliant at math because he busts his ### to memorize every last formula, but the moment you ask him to figure something out on his own he's lost (although that 30+ yard pass to Harrison on the first drive of yesterday's game is a notable exception. He got flushed out of the pocket and actually created something out of nothing; I just about crapped myself).
They're not easy to beat, but everybody knows how to go about it, and invariably (especially in the AFC), there's always one playoff team that matchs up well enough against them. I agree with the people who say that nothing has changed, although if anything I give them a better shot in January this year simply BECAUSE of all these close games that they've managed to pull out (which shows character and grit and the ability to perform even when things aren't going your way).
But that being said, I still say NE or SD knocks them off when it counts.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
Not looking to fight with anyone. Or call anyone names for that matter. But, when a team known for defense loses one of their stalwarts, it gets much more publicity than someone from the Colts! I only mentioned Sanders since he gets some press.How can you say Simon wasn't a factor for the Colts last year? They were a much better overall defense last year with him in there! So much so, that the Colts went out and acquired Booger.It's just funny when the Colts get bashed for poor defense and no consideration is given to the fact they might have lost a key player or two along the way.Now, back to tearing the Colts apart...
pizzatyme
Footballguy
Nothing to argue with in this analysis. I'll only mention that I think the pats have come back to the field when they let Branch get away. Their incremental margin against the Colts was the ability to spread the ball around and let their playmakers make plays, ie. Branch.The Chargers will still have a dogfight with the Chiefs and Broncos to make it in in the first place.Colts- ByePats- ByeRavens #3 possiblyAFC West Champ #4Bengals#5 possiblyAFC runner up #6This is my guess based on the fact that the West will continue to beat each other up. I think the Ravens will do enough to get the #3. Which means the AFC runner up will have to go into Baltimore and beat them in a tough matchup. Not unheard of by any means, but still tough.If this plays out as I see it, then the Broncos or Chargers could go to Baltimore, win ,and then come to Indy to face the Colts.Indy has Beaten IMO the greatest 3 teams ( not counting the Indy Colts ) on da ####ing road !!! An you morons are debating it becasue it was close games ? Indy is IMO better this year on O than last season and if their D comes around I cannot see them being beaten in playoffs
Sullie
Footballguy
I will say this though, the Colts defense manufactured a couple of those interceptions by sticking their hands up. As was mentioned during the game by Madden, they didn't raise their hands much on defense during the Denver game. They did during this game and as a result tipped the ball and then capitalized on those tips. So part luck but I guess luck they created at the same time, they don't raise their hands they don't get those tips.Also Indy threw an interception and fumbled the ball as well as missing two FG's that you mentioned so it's not like they didn't make mistakes of their own there and played a perfect game.I thought they played a good game, I've been watching the Colts this year and I've felt they've been sleep walking their way through the season up until the Denver game when they seemed to wake up a bit.I think once they get this running game going they can get a better balance. For example in this game, 22 rushes (4 to Rhodes and 18 to Addai) while Manning completed 20/35 attempts. I think if they get Addai on track, feed the ball to him exclusively for 25 times a game, throw a bit less, give the defense a break then they might be in a better position.I agree with your assessment though, they're not ready for the next level giving up this many points right now but I do think they can make it to the next level.David Yudkin said:
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
I didn't say he wasn't a factor last year. And I have already stated that I think the entire Colts team seemed better last year. What I said was that Corey's loss this year was really not that big of a deal.pizzatyme said:
LinkLet me re-iterate though. I'm taking nothing away from the Colts. I wish my team could start the season with eight to twelve straight wins. They've never done it once (maximum of 6), much less in consecutive years. That's pretty damn impressive of the Colts. And Indianapolis has had one hell of a run - six winning seasons (and four division titles) in the last seven years. My team has to go back to 1987 to find six winning seasons and back to 1981 for four division titles. It must be a GREAT time to be a Colts fan.
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Cajun Heat
Footballguy
As a slight hijack, I would love to see SD vs Indy in the playoffs.
Think about it: Schottenheimer vs Indy. In the playoffs. WHO WILL CHOKE FIRST?
Think about it: Schottenheimer vs Indy. In the playoffs. WHO WILL CHOKE FIRST?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Bump for week 10
