A.J. Green (2 Viewers)

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Do you think that EVERYONE: scouts, pundits, mock draft sites, fans, coaches...everyone that has this kid ranked in the top 5 - and everyone does - is simpy wrong? They simply never asked themselves: "What has he done, aside from 'a few nice catches?'"

Gotta be careful with that line of thought. EVERYONE said Manning and Leaf were a coin flip difference. Just because these guys DO the job for a living doesn't mean they are always right.

I am confused as to where you got that, out of what I said.And the people that said Leaf had a great deal of potenial and physical tools were not wrong. He did have everything tangible that it took to be great. He just didn't have the head on his shoulders to put it all together. It is hard to fault anyone for being high on him at the time.

 

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I think AJ or Julio can be Maclin, Steve Smith, or that type of player but a lot more depends on the situation they end up in and how they develop more so than these great WRs that came before them.

I don't know what to say here. You throw out comparisons to the "greats that came before", then use names that don't make any sense: Maclin? Smith? Neither Maclin or Smith had the physical tools that Jones and Green posses - their games are nothing alike. If you are trying to put a cap on Green's potential, especially by using a guy like Smith, who simply doesn't have the physical tools, you are missing something.

I agree, that's crazy talk. Both Maclin and SS are shorter and smaller than AJ and Julio are.

 

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The one thing that was always apparently different with Fitz from day 1 was his hands. It wouldn't have mattered if he was shorter, slower, or anything else; if you ever watched him in college you could see he had that "it" factor when it came to getting that ball.

This is hyperbole. Lots of players have great hands, and hands alone do very little. Larry was the best in college and is one of the best in the NFL, not simply because of his hands. We all know why Larry is great, so I won't go into it. I'll simply say that A.J. Green has great hands too.

I don't see AJ or Julio as similar. In the last 12 years or so, I have seen 4 player who I thought "holy crap...that's different"Moss, Fitz, calvin, and Crabtree. All for different reasons but they had something you can't measure or buy.

What is it that they had that you can't "measure or buy?" That is nothing more than saying you had a gut feeling. No disrespect, but who are you that we should trust your gut? The thing that people are missing: the experts, the people paid to be in the know, say that Green is an elite prospect. The people with the resources of an ESPN, the people with film and not Youtube highlights or game recordings that follow the ball, say Green is an elite prospect.

I think AJ or Julio can be Maclin, Steve Smith, or that type of player but a lot more depends on the situation they end up in and how they develop more so than these great WRs that came before them.

I don't know what to say here. You throw out comparisons to the "greats that came before", then use names that don't make any sense: Maclin? Smith? Neither Maclin or Smith had the physical tools that Jones and Green posses - their games are nothing alike. If you are trying to put a cap on Green's potential, especially by using a guy like Smith, who simply doesn't have the physical tools, you are missing something.

Really a good post. I watch AJ Green and I say wow! He makes amazing catches look routine. He's tall very athletic iff people are concerned about his frame, you must have though Desean belonged serving Gatorade and Reggie Williams should be in the Hall by now. Size smize just watch the guy play, he's fun to watch.

 

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1.Calvin2. Fitz3.Andre4.Dez...I dont see AJ as the elite talent everyone is talking about...great hands yes, but what else does he have?can he beat press coverage? Not very good after the catch either. Dont get me wrong, solid prospect but i wouldnt put him in the above group.

Personally id put it1. Calvin2. Andre3. Fitz4. Rogers5. Dez6. Crabtree

who is rogers??? charles hahahahaha

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

1.Calvin2. Fitz3.Andre4.Dez...I dont see AJ as the elite talent everyone is talking about...great hands yes, but what else does he have?can he beat press coverage? Not very good after the catch either. Dont get me wrong, solid prospect but i wouldnt put him in the above group.

Personally id put it1. Calvin2. Andre3. Fitz4. Rogers5. Dez6. Crabtree

who is rogers??? charles hahahahaha

Hindsight is always 20/20. Rogers would probably rank as my #2 WR prospect of the decade behind Calvin. He was freakishly good in college. Things didn't work out for him in the pro's but as a prospect there were few better.

 

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aj green is the perfect receiver

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKTm9oFWJNg

 

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2nd best WR in the SEC....Alshon Jeffery

Good Wr but not even close to the same league as Green.

that is just not so.....maybe you need to watch a little more SEC football. one must remember that Jeffery is a year behind. both are very good but Jeffery makes the diicult look easy.

get real man Jeffrey is good I watched him a lot at South Carolina but i agree with the other guy, AJ green is a SUPERSTUD

 

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again...aj green is no calvin andre or fitz... hes just not

Todd McShay says he's the most complete WR prospect to enter the draft since Calvin Johnson. Mel Kiper has him as the second or third pick in the draft. He said that Green is an immense talent and noted that when you look at all the attributes that go into being an outstanding, Pro Bowl caliber feature receiver in the NFL, Green has them all. That's good enough for me.

i think all these aj and calvin freaks are trying to talk themselves into believing that AJ Green isn't a top 5 wr... AJ Green will be a top 5 Wr for a decade

 

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No one is considered about his skinny frame?

I considered his skinny frame, it reminds me of Randy moss and sidney rice... ya them two guys should have been water boys right? LOL get real... skinny he is 6-4 212 lol he is plenty big/strong enough to be elite #1 wr its funny to see all the haters... wow

 

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Isnt AJ a 4.5 40 guy? not that thats bad but ur talking about 4.3 guys in Randy, AJ and Calvin.

Thats the least of my concerns to be honest. Fitz and Dez are not blazers. On the whole I think 40 time is incredibly overrated as far as receivers go. Give me someone that can run good routes, can go up and get the ball and has good hands.

I agree with you but Dez and Fitz also have strength that AJ doesnt. I think hes a great prospect but as far as physical ability i think hes a tier below those guys. Id put him in the Crabtree category.

...I would be very surprised if he runs under a 4.55. He does have great hands, but so did BMW.He seems to go down pretty easily on first contact too. I'm just not sure how hes going to do against pro corners ...I remember watching the OK state vs. Georgia game a two years ago(for Dez Bryant purposes) and Perrish Cox completely shut him down. Is he a solid WR? yes he is. Could he be elite in a great situation like roddy white or reggie wayne? yes he could. Is he a Fitz,Andre,Calvin or Dez talent? not in my opinion

So you are basing your evaluation solely off of one game of Green's true freshman season?

lol nice try bud...it was his sophmore year....and to be fair what has he really done in college to be that impressive? a few nice catches but has never gotten over 1000 yards or 10tds. I realize he plays in the SEC but come on. To be fair (before he ever played a down in college) I said he was gonna be a better college player than julio jones. I just think Jones is Built better for the nfl than green and will make a better NFL WR. Has the potential to be a good wr not elite.

to be fair dude he would have had 1000 and 10tds had he played all year... remember he only played 9 games, he was suspended four... he had over 60 catches 900 yards 9 tds in 9 games... in the Sec on a running team. thats impressive

 

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Fitzgerald got A LOT stronger once he got to the league in put in hard work in the weight room. He wasn't as thin as AJ in at PIT, but it's worth noting. With that said, guys, I don't think comparisons to physical WRs like Dez and Fitz are really adequate.

The one thing that was always apparently different with Fitz from day 1 was his hands. It wouldn't have mattered if he was shorter, slower, or anything else; if you ever watched him in college you could see he had that "it" factor when it came to getting that ball.I don't see AJ or Julio as similar. In the last 12 years or so, I have seen 4 player who I thought "holy crap...that's different"Moss, Fitz, calvin, and Crabtree. All for different reasons but they had something you can't measure or buy. I think AJ or Julio can be Maclin, Steve Smith, or that type of player but a lot more depends on the situation they end up in and how they develop moreso than these great WRs that came before them.

Not to hi-jack, but you can't be serious with the Crabtree reference...

yea no crap CRABTREE????? no NICKS/// if anything Hakeem Nicks is a top 3 wr and is a uberstud and i would put him in for crabtree

 

[MDSkinner]

Fitzgerald got A LOT stronger once he got to the league in put in hard work in the weight room. He wasn't as thin as AJ in at PIT, but it's worth noting. With that said, guys, I don't think comparisons to physical WRs like Dez and Fitz are really adequate.

The one thing that was always apparently different with Fitz from day 1 was his hands. It wouldn't have mattered if he was shorter, slower, or anything else; if you ever watched him in college you could see he had that "it" factor when it came to getting that ball.I don't see AJ or Julio as similar. In the last 12 years or so, I have seen 4 player who I thought "holy crap...that's different"

Moss, Fitz, calvin, and Crabtree. All for different reasons but they had something you can't measure or buy.

I think AJ or Julio can be Maclin, Steve Smith, or that type of player but a lot more depends on the situation they end up in and how they develop moreso than these great WRs that came before them.

Not to hi-jack, but you can't be serious with the Crabtree reference...

yea no crap CRABTREE????? no NICKS/// if anything Hakeem Nicks is a top 3 wr and is a uberstud and i would put him in for crabtree

JMO, but I believe he is talking Crabtree as a college player and prospect for the NFL. And he most assuredly was special in college in a system that a lot of people thinks played to his favor but which I would argue is not necessarily true since it was a system that spread the ball around a lot. He obviously has disappointed since being in the NFL so far, but he was unreal in college. I am not a Texas Tech fan but I remember watching him against Texas in what I think was his senior year and he just seemed like a man against boys in that game. And this was against Texas, not Baylor. Crabtree was a far better prospect than Nicks, IMO. It just has not worked out that way in the pros.ETA: Game Log of TTech vs #1 Texas

This was the game I was remembering. I think the comparison to Crabtree is very valid here.

 

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Fitzgerald got A LOT stronger once he got to the league in put in hard work in the weight room. He wasn't as thin as AJ in at PIT, but it's worth noting. With that said, guys, I don't think comparisons to physical WRs like Dez and Fitz are really adequate.

The one thing that was always apparently different with Fitz from day 1 was his hands. It wouldn't have mattered if he was shorter, slower, or anything else; if you ever watched him in college you could see he had that "it" factor when it came to getting that ball.I don't see AJ or Julio as similar. In the last 12 years or so, I have seen 4 player who I thought "holy crap...that's different"

Moss, Fitz, calvin, and Crabtree. All for different reasons but they had something you can't measure or buy.

I think AJ or Julio can be Maclin, Steve Smith, or that type of player but a lot more depends on the situation they end up in and how they develop moreso than these great WRs that came before them.

Not to hi-jack, but you can't be serious with the Crabtree reference...

yea no crap CRABTREE????? no NICKS/// if anything Hakeem Nicks is a top 3 wr and is a uberstud and i would put him in for crabtree

JMO, but I believe he is talking Crabtree as a college player and prospect for the NFL. And he most assuredly was special in college in a system that a lot of people thinks played to his favor but which I would argue is not necessarily true since it was a system that spread the ball around a lot. He obviously has disappointed since being in the NFL so far, but he was unreal in college. I am not a Texas Tech fan but I remember watching him against Texas in what I think was his senior year and he just seemed like a man against boys in that game. And this was against Texas, not Baylor. Crabtree was a far better prospect than Nicks, IMO. It just has not worked out that way in the pros.ETA: Game Log of TTech vs #1 Texas

This was the game I was remembering. I think the comparison to Crabtree is very valid here.

I don't agree with that at all.. crabtree played in a pass happy system where Harrel for christs sakes could throw 5000 yards... Hakeem nicks had like 1200 yards and 13 tds in a way more conservative offense... Crabtrees numbers are so skewed,and it goes along with the poster that said that College numbers to pros rarely transfer over.. plenty of guys that produced huge in college and did nothing in the pros happen all the time.. and vice versa. Guys with little college production, come to the NFL and have Awesome careers.

 

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Fitzgerald got A LOT stronger once he got to the league in put in hard work in the weight room. He wasn't as thin as AJ in at PIT, but it's worth noting. With that said, guys, I don't think comparisons to physical WRs like Dez and Fitz are really adequate.

The one thing that was always apparently different with Fitz from day 1 was his hands. It wouldn't have mattered if he was shorter, slower, or anything else; if you ever watched him in college you could see he had that "it" factor when it came to getting that ball.I don't see AJ or Julio as similar. In the last 12 years or so, I have seen 4 player who I thought "holy crap...that's different"

Moss, Fitz, calvin, and Crabtree. All for different reasons but they had something you can't measure or buy.

I think AJ or Julio can be Maclin, Steve Smith, or that type of player but a lot more depends on the situation they end up in and how they develop moreso than these great WRs that came before them.

Not to hi-jack, but you can't be serious with the Crabtree reference...

yea no crap CRABTREE????? no NICKS/// if anything Hakeem Nicks is a top 3 wr and is a uberstud and i would put him in for crabtree

JMO, but I believe he is talking Crabtree as a college player and prospect for the NFL. And he most assuredly was special in college in a system that a lot of people thinks played to his favor but which I would argue is not necessarily true since it was a system that spread the ball around a lot. He obviously has disappointed since being in the NFL so far, but he was unreal in college. I am not a Texas Tech fan but I remember watching him against Texas in what I think was his senior year and he just seemed like a man against boys in that game. And this was against Texas, not Baylor. Crabtree was a far better prospect than Nicks, IMO. It just has not worked out that way in the pros.ETA: Game Log of TTech vs #1 Texas

This was the game I was remembering. I think the comparison to Crabtree is very valid here.

I don't agree with that at all.. crabtree played in a pass happy system where Harrel for christs sakes could throw 5000 yards... Hakeem nicks had like 1200 yards and 13 tds in a way more conservative offense... Crabtrees numbers are so skewed,and it goes along with the poster that said that College numbers to pros rarely transfer over.. plenty of guys that produced huge in college and did nothing in the pros happen all the time.. and vice versa. Guys with little college production, come to the NFL and have Awesome careers.

Your missing the point. You are using hindsight in part of your conclusion. I agree that Crabtree didnt belong with names like Fitz, Calvin or Moss, but you say it is crazy to have ranked Crabtree higher than Nicks coming out of college when almost everyone agreed that Crabtree was higher. I wasnt even a fan of Crabtree, but i still would have taken him ahead of Nicks in rookie drafts, just like everyone else did.