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A Peterson weekly rank (1 Viewer)
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Dallas is good against the run and he still isn't guaranteed all of the carries. Chester Taylor will get a few.
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Footballguy
Whew, cant wait.
Oh sure you can clever boy.
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12 rushes 63 yards 1 TD 1 Fumble1 catch for 12 yards.Pretty good call to keep him out of the top 10
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Footballguy
He's the #10 RB in my league this week (so far).
oh ok so with Addai, Henry, Parker, Taylor, and MJD left to play he is #10. That #11 rank was god awful then.
GregStarling
Footballguy
Not really, here are the top 10 by FBG in alpha order so as not to give away subscriber content
layer - Vs PetersonJoseph Addai - N/ARonnie Brown - WorseReggie Bush - WorseFrank Gore - WorseLarry Johnson - Better LaMont Jordan - WorseWillie Parker - N/AWillis McGahee - EvenBrian Westbrook - WorseLenDale White - BetterSo Peterson did better than at least 5 players listed in FBG top 10 RBs.Where does Peterson rank right now?Not really, here are the top 10 by FBG in alpha order so as not to give away subscriber content
GregStarling
Footballguy
Ahead of at least 5 RBs listed ahead of him. Of course you're going to have your suprises like Watson that have huge weeks and outperform their rankings. That's not the point. The point is where is Peterson's spot among those must start top 10 type talent players that produce week-in-week-out. He belongs in the top 10, period.Where does Peterson rank right now?Not really, here are the top 10 by FBG in alpha order so as not to give away subscriber content
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bentley
Footballguy
So.....what you're saying is that if DD predicts him to finish #11 and he finishes #11, DD is wrong?Ahead of at least 5 RBs listed ahead of him. Of course you're going to have your suprises like Watson that have huge weeks and outperform their rankings. That's not the point. The point is where is Peterson's spot among those must start top 10 type talent players that produce week-in-week-out. He belongs in the top 10, period.Where does Peterson rank right now?Not really, here are the top 10 by FBG in alpha order so as not to give away subscriber content
GregStarling
Footballguy
??If DD tells you to start 5-7 guys ahead of him that he outperforms is it wrong?
buzzhunter
Footballguy
Wow. Just wow...Ahead of at least 5 RBs listed ahead of him. Of course you're going to have your suprises like Watson that have huge weeks and outperform their rankings. That's not the point. The point is where is Peterson's spot among those must start top 10 type talent players that produce week-in-week-out. He belongs in the top 10, period.Where does Peterson rank right now?Not really, here are the top 10 by FBG in alpha order so as not to give away subscriber content
GregStarling
Footballguy
I don't have a dog in the fight, I'm just making the point that ADP is in that elite LT2 type zone where he should be in the top 10 every week regardless of matchup. The discussion, to me, isn't about the predictions or whatever tools you use, it's about the fact that Peterson is elite. I think sometimes, we as ff players quickly jump on mid-tier players (the Lee Evans types), but we move at glacial speed to recognize truly elite talent. It was like this in 98 with Moss. Every now and then, there is a player that comes in and shows you the future of a sport right out of the gate, it's so rare though that a lot of us don't believe it. It's easy to say some guy will be ranked 10-20, it takes more of a leap to put someone in the top 10. I think it's past time to put Peterson there.To me, this is a strategy/tendancy discussion, not a rankings one.
GregStarling
Footballguy
you disagree?Wow. Just wow...
You are missing the point. He was ranked at #11, if he finishes at #11 this week REGARDLESS OF WHO WAS RANKED ABOVE HIM then the ranking was right.Ahead of at least 5 RBs listed ahead of him. Of course you're going to have your suprises like Watson that have huge weeks and outperform their rankings. That's not the point. The point is where is Peterson's spot among those must start top 10 type talent players that produce week-in-week-out. He belongs in the top 10, period.Where does Peterson rank right now?Not really, here are the top 10 by FBG in alpha order so as not to give away subscriber content
I think you misunderstand the purpose of the rankings. The listing is based on projections for scoring for the week given the particular matchups. If you look at the numbers projected for ADP you will see that they were almost spot on. With those projections you can decide whether ADP is worthy of a start for your team. What more are you looking for? Yes, ADP outperformed some of the guys higher on the list, but he underperformed against others. So what? It sounds like you are looking for a listing of players based only on talent regardless of matchups so you can see ADP ranked higher. If so, why don't you create your own list and publish it? Then people can criticize you for listing ADP higher than all the players that in fact outperform him.you disagree?Wow. Just wow...
yes the point is he was ranked at #11 and will probably end up there. You have a problem with a player's stats equaling what he was ranked to do?you disagree?Wow. Just wow...
GregStarling
Footballguy
That's fine. We just disagree so I'll bow out of the discussion. I've made my point, you don't agree. You've made your point, I don't agree. Using your logic, 24 of the top 25 players were ranked wrong, but Peterson was ranked right. Peterson was ranked correctly even though most of the players ranked ahead of him did worse than he did. The way I try to look at ranking players, and I actually do my own rankings, many here are familiar with my company, is you're going to have your players outperform and underperform their rankings. What you're looking for is where *should* a player be slotted. You have to assume everyone, given their matchup, performs as expected. IMO, Peterson, depending on matchup should rank between #2 and #8 every week. Compare this to say LT2 who would rank between #1 and #5 every week.
GregStarling
Footballguy
I do and they do.
It's the nature of the beast. Like I said, I'm not discussing the rankings or the tool, just the opinion that ADP is a top 10 elite back regardless of matchup.
jimmy b
Footballguy
Hold on there Hoss.....give him some time before you anoint him the next Walter (Sweetnees) Paytonor the next Jim Brown
2007 Game Log Rushing Receiving Fumbles
WEEK OPP RESULT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
1 ATL W 24-3 19 103 5.4 15 0 1 60 60.0 60 1 0 0
2 @DET L 20-17 (OT)20 66 3.3 11 0 4 52 13.0 24 0 0 0
3 @KC L 13-10 25 102 4.1 16 1 3 48 16.0 35 0 1 1
4 GNB L 23-16 12 112 9.3 55 0 1 6 6.0 6 0 0 0
5 Bye
6 @CHI W 34-31 20 224 11.2 73 3 1 9 9.0 9 0 0 0
7 @DAL L 24-14 12 63 5.3 20 1 1 12 12.0 12 0 1 1
I see what you are saying, and you are right to a extent, that a few players in front of Peterson did worse. But my point was that the OP was complaining that Peterson should be in the top 10, well he didn't finish in the top 10. Complaining about a correct ranking is a little weird to me.
Islander
Footballguy
Yep, LT gets less than 50% of his team carries too.
az_prof
Footballguy
I have to give the staff kudos for nailing this one. It would have been easy to rank him higher after last week's performance, but it looks like they took a hard look at the matchup and the fact that he is still sharing and made the right call. He DID lose carries to Chester and he wasn't able to break any big runs against a good Dallas defense.
Yes. The projections for ADP were right on. If his ranking was off, it's not because ADP was projected incorrectly; it's because some other players were.GregStarling said:
